Biden and the Barbarians *
[Guest post by DRJ]
Tonight Joe Biden told a group of DC lawyers that the Democrats will “mobilize thousands of lawyers to make sure they [the Republicans] don’t steal another election.”
During the speech, Biden talked about the people who would protect us from “the barbarians at the gate.” After 9/11, you might think they would be our nation’s military men and women. You would be wrong.
Now that it’s election season, Joe Biden says the only people who protect us from the “barbarians at the gate” are lawyers and organized labor:
“Biden said that he’s “done more than any other senator combined” for trial lawyers.
“There are two people — you’ve heard me say it before — two groups that stand between us and the barbarians at the gate,” Biden said. “It’s you and organized labor. That’s it. That is it.”
Joe Biden clearly has a different definition of barbarians than I do.
— DRJ
* Biden and the Barbarians. Wouldn’t that be a great name for a 60’s band?
Remind me again … who were actually recently convicted on criminal charges related to election fraud. Oh, right, ACORN.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/23/2008 @ 7:57 pmNote to the village idiot: The trial lawyers are the barbarians.
Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 9/23/2008 @ 8:00 pm“Biden said that he’s “done more than any other senator combined” for trial lawyers. ”
That statement right there is going to SERIOUSLY endear him to a lot of ordinary Americans. Everybody loves lawyers, Joe, rly.
Keep talking Joe. You were a great addition to the ticket!
My apologies to the lawyers on the board.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/23/2008 @ 8:04 pmNo offense taken.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/23/2008 @ 8:06 pmThat’s quite a combination he’s alluding to.
Biden just folded into himself.
john edwards must feel small
SteveG (71dc6f) — 9/23/2008 @ 8:12 pm“It’s you and organized labor. That’s it. That is it.”
Heh! A secretary-treasurer of a major union told me that he expects riots on Chicago’s West Side whether Obama wins or loses. He’s buying a gun and ammunition. And he will be voting for McCain. Maybe Democrats get union money and union endorsements but they don’t get union votes.
nk (796b84) — 9/23/2008 @ 8:23 pmBiden.
Disgraceful.
I have every intention of “stealing” another one…by voting!
Philip (6846fb) — 9/23/2008 @ 8:25 pmI had to chuckle at that sentence. “Any” is a singular adjective. So, Joe has done more than any single Senator. Not sure what that Senator was combined with. Or maybe he meant the unnamed Senator (the one whom Joe had done more than) was thrown into a combine.
I’m not sure, but Joe’s claim is one of the funniest ones of the campaign.
Steverino (db5760) — 9/23/2008 @ 8:26 pm#2 dead on. Barbarians at the Gates – George P. Roberts -Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. – Leveraged Buyout of RJR Nabisco – graduated from Hastings with a Law Degree – one of the Barbarians at the Gate.
Personal Favorite:
“He has never, never, never, never, never, never, never shared the values set that you share,” Biden said. “He’s an honorable, decent man, but John McCain truly believes, truly believes that you are corporate America’s problem,” he said to the trial lawyers. “And thank God you are.” (7 nevers!)
Perhaps SNL is worried that a skit on Biden won’t come off as funny as one of his speeches.
Apogee (366e8b) — 9/23/2008 @ 9:03 pmTALLAHASSEE
Michigan
Readnek (105b91) — 9/23/2008 @ 9:12 pmSen. Biden says so many absurd things I don’t see how anyone can take him seriously. You can’t really argue with him, I don’t think he’s coherent enough to debate.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/23/2008 @ 9:13 pmMichigan – Obama’s ACORN buddies at work:
Several municipal clerks across the state are reporting fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications, most of them from a nationwide community activist group working to help low- and moderate-income families.
The majority of the problem applications are coming from the group ACORN, Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which has a large voter registration program among its many social service programs. ACORN’s Michigan branch, based in Detroit, has enrolled 200,000 voters statewide in recent months, mostly with the use of paid, part-time employees.
“There appears to be a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications,” said Kelly Chesney, spokeswoman for the Michigan Secretary of State’s Office. “And it appears to be widespread.”
Readnek – Nothing related to the crap you post remotely matches the crap the democrats pull year in and year out.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/23/2008 @ 9:36 pmReadnek, what exactly is wrong with either of the items you cited? If a GOP fundraising letter ends up sent to some people who are unlikely to donate, because they ended up on the wrong mailing list, so what? All it means is that the GOP wasted some postage and some paper, which I’m sure grieves you heartily. And if it makes people double-check their registrations, all the better. How does this harm anyone?
In Michigan, they said they’ll use foreclosure lists to check voters. Well, so they should. If someone’s house has been foreclosed on, then it’s very likely that they’re not living there any more. So if they come to vote from that address, there’s at least a reasonable suspicion that they’re doing so illegally; that’s certainly enough to justify some probing questions, don’t you think? Or don’t you think it matters if someone who has no business voting in a district tries to do so anyway?
Milhouse (89df7f) — 9/23/2008 @ 10:03 pmSounds like me and the rest of the military can take the rest of the war off and let the lawyers handle things. Snort, I’d like to see a trial lawyer fighting terrorism under Shiara law.
The odd thing is, I don’t see any random passerby stopping to thank a lawyer for defending their freedom.
“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
Jayson (63e48a) — 9/23/2008 @ 11:01 pmGeorge Orwell
Sounds like me and the rest of the military can take the rest of the war off and let the lawyers handle things. Snort, I’d like to see a trial lawyer fighting terrorism under Shiara law.
The odd thing is, I don’t see any random passerby stopping to thank a lawyer for defending their freedom.
“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
Jayson (63e48a) — 9/23/2008 @ 11:01 pmGeorge Orwell
Readneck is obviously worried about Chicago’s notorious reputation regarding voter fraud, and is trying to spin the narrative before the election.
We’re going to see huge voter fraud this year, all perpetrated by the Chicago machine and ACORN.
Apogee (366e8b) — 9/23/2008 @ 11:02 pmhttp://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmFjYWMzM2Q4MDNiNGEyODBiNDZlYTVkYjIyN2QyMTU=
Biden endorses McCain in Pennsylvania
Joe (8102a5) — 9/23/2008 @ 11:40 pm* Biden and the Barbarians. Wouldn’t that be a great name for a 60’s band?
DRJ, the Barbarians were a fantastic 60s garage-rock, proto-punk band. One of the most memorable things about them is that their drummer, a guy named Moulty, had lost one hand and had it replaced with a hook. Their most famous song was called “Are You a Boy or a Girl” and was banned on some radio stations.
When I think of Biden as a rock star I think of an even more self-possessed version of Jim Morrison spouting his inane and interminable spoken word poetry.
JVW (6c4300) — 9/24/2008 @ 12:16 amDo teachers count as organized labor?
A Stoner (efe02f) — 9/24/2008 @ 4:40 amHere’s another great idea for a McCain commercial:
Quote Biden: “There are … two groups that stand between us and the barbarians at the gate.”
When Biden says “barbarians”, he isn’t referring to the terrorists who want to destroy America…
No, he’s not speaking of our brave military and law enforcement who protect us.
According to Biden, the enemy is his political opponents … and the trial lawyers are the heroes.
That’s not change … that’s the same ol’ politics as usual.
aunursa (5daa82) — 9/24/2008 @ 5:47 amaunursa – We could only hope.
I have no problem with lawyers, there are literally lots of lawyers on this site that I like and respect. Ambulance chasers, on the other hand …
JD (41e64f) — 9/24/2008 @ 5:51 amOh, and timmah. I do not, nor will I ever, respect timmah, should he ever be lucky enough to pass the bar.
JD (41e64f) — 9/24/2008 @ 5:51 amYa know, after the past few weeks, it’s at least somewhat harder to disagree with Biden than it would have been back in the golden age of rising home prices and easy credit.
The fact is, ordinary Americans get raped by large corporations. Not due to the free market — due to corporations and other powerful interests screwing up the free market. That’s never been more clear than it is now. And labor unions, while obviously not ideal, don’t look so bad compared to the crap that’s going down right now.
I’m a trial lawyer and a libertarian — that may seem like a contradiction to some, but the fact is that tort law holds individuals and corporations accountable for their own actions to a far greater extent than regulatory law.
The reason corporations are terrified of trial lawyers is because trial lawyers make them have to answer for themselves in front of ordinary people in a way that just doesn’t happen anywhere else in a representative democracy.
Anywhere else — be it the legislature or the executive branch — they can just lobby the representatives. In a trial, there’s no lobbying– they have to actually justify their actions to people who can’t be bought.
Phil (3b1633) — 9/24/2008 @ 6:08 amPhil,
What are you smoking? People who can’t be bought? Judges can be “Bagmen” for political parties and frequently are for the Democrat party.
Ever hear of Juror Nullification? Talk about buying off jurors, try the OJ and Rodney King cases. There the “Special Rights Community” demanded that the juries give them their verdict, and the jurors knew it.
PCD (1df2b5) — 9/24/2008 @ 6:15 amPCD, if you think that much buying of either judges or jurors goes on, by all means, make your case. It can happen but it’s far less systemic than in the rest of government, because it’s an all-or-nothing bid. If you try to bribe a clean juror or judge, you’re going to jail. Not like the schmoozing that goes on in the other branches of government on a daily basis.
And clearly juries don’t dispense perfect justice — I didn’t say they did. It’s kind of funny that the OJ and King verdicts jump into your mind, since juries generally tend to be extremely hard on blacks. Yet you just can’t get over King and OJ. We’re living in the 21st century, by the way. It’s been more than a decade since both those verdicts.
Phil (3b1633) — 9/24/2008 @ 6:34 amdaleyrocks, whine about voter fraud, when there is none, all you like, but there is only one political party in America which seeks to keep people from voting. Whether it’s from caging or photo ID or announcing their intention to screw foreclosed folks or placing inadequate polling places in likely Dem areas (thanks, Ken Blackwell), the Republican party — generally — opposes making voting easier and freer. If only the trail lawyers were as capable as Biden imagined.
The funny thing is I remember being around a bunch of Dem lawyers in 2004 (college reunion) from Ohio and they were all about hanging out at the polling places and stopping Republican challenges to minority voters, etc, except, of course, Ken Blackwell and his friends had other plans. The Dem lawyers were busy fighting the last war, while Blackwell and company out-smarted them. Seems like Biden and his army of attorneys is prepared to re-fight 2000 again. I wonder how they’ll be out-smarted again?
timb (a83d56) — 9/24/2008 @ 7:11 amNo voter fraud? None? Willfully obtuse or agressively ignorant. You make the call.
JD (41e64f) — 9/24/2008 @ 7:16 amBy the way, Patterico himself goes to trial and is a lawyer? So, is the disdain for “trial lawyers” just limited to those who file tort claims and defend criminals and not on the trial lawyers who represent the State or the Corporation. If so, how strange.
timb (a83d56) — 9/24/2008 @ 7:18 amClick the link, asshole, or stop responding to me. Hell, go back to Protein Wisdom and kiss What’s his face’s ass for awhile
timb (a83d56) — 9/24/2008 @ 7:19 amtimmah – How’s Caric’s baby? No voter fraud? Hahahaha! Republicans want to keep people from voting? Hahahahah!111!!!!
How about Republicans want to preserve the integrity of the election process by limiting it to legally registered or qualified voters, whilr the democtsyoc party seeks to undermine it at every opportunity.
That’s a better and more honest way of describing it timmah.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/24/2008 @ 7:30 amExcept that’s not what happened, as the New York Times story I linked to (jesus, can’t any of you click a link?) noted.
…wow, how Orwellian that statement is…like when ones removes the names of voters from rolls by claiming they are felons, or when one says that only a certain kind of postcard can be excepted for registration (despite the fact that Ohio State law doesn’t require that), or places inadequate polling places in urban districts to create lines and turmoil, or
versus this
Face it, your Republican friends want to make it hard for Americans to vote, this is why they pass laws and administer agencies to keep people from voting.
As for the immature taunts, whose cum tastes better Dan or Jeff’s? I figured I’d ask an expert.
timb (a83d56) — 9/24/2008 @ 7:47 am#26, Say what?
I seem to recall plane loads of Dem legal eagles arriving in Florida with instructions to challenge the votes of military men and women serving overseas. Anything to disenfranchise our troops, right? Talk about underhanded politics, that’s the Dems stock in trade.
I also remember something about Algore’s call to George W Bush conceding the election, followed by a call to Al from Bill Clinton, and then, surprise-surprise, Al’s decision to withdraw his concession. Wow! Al then sent in the above noted clowns. Great guy that Algore, remember when he got caught asking for “campaign contributions” from his office in the White House? That’s against the rules. Al defended himself by claiming there was “no controlling legal authority.” What a jerk!
Dems have a long history of voter fraud. Think Chicago, it’s timely. Without fraud the Dems couldn’t keep all their ravenous snouts lined up at the public trencher.
Ropelight (f4b89a) — 9/24/2008 @ 7:53 amtimmah – That sounds like a conspiracy only rhere isn’t any proof there was is there? Did any of those upstanding people you refer to actually show up and ask for a ballot or respond to correspondence sent to their last known address? People claiming they were disenfranchised after the fact who didn’t do anything about it before the fact or on election day are indeed a sad lot and democrats best friends.
Is this the best you’ve got timmah? There wasn’t fraud in Ohio in 2006.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/24/2008 @ 7:54 amSeems simple to me. Draft the lawyers and send them to Afganistan.
Paul Albers (0c58f4) — 9/24/2008 @ 7:55 amThat link shows no evidence that there is no voter fraud, you lying crapweasel. That is the gleenwaldian school of representing the content of a link.
Because Sec. of State Todd Rokita did not present a specific case of voter impersonation in no way means that voter fraud does not exist in Indiana, or elsewhere. Mendoucheity at its finest there, timmah.
Kind of unhinged today, huh timmah?
JD (41e64f) — 9/24/2008 @ 7:55 amIsn’t it interesting that the long lines for voting are somehow evidence of people trying to disenfranchise people from voting? Why is it that these polls always seem to be in areas that have Dems running the local election process?
JD (41e64f) — 9/24/2008 @ 7:57 amtimmah – In the Indiana voter ID case, the person the democrats got as a plaintiff was hilariously registered to vote in two states. Huzzah! The judge also found the plaintiffs presented no evidence to show people disadvantage by requiring proof of an ID when voting and that the state had a compelling interest in assurung fair elections.
Why don’t you support fair elections timmah? Are you afraid that democtats would lose fair elections?
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/24/2008 @ 8:01 amdaleyrocks – It is just a vile mean repugnant mendoucheous troll. It likes Caric !
JD (41e64f) — 9/24/2008 @ 8:04 amPhil – Speaking for myself, given the comments you post here, it is really hard for me to believe that you are a lawyer.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/24/2008 @ 8:08 amdaley, I live in Indiana, no democrat ever wins here, fair or foul election.
As the link to the Times article noted, the DOJ (remember the ones who fire people for not finding voter fraud cases) hasn’t been able to find voter fraud since 2003…
Lastly, ONE of the plaintiffs of the lawsuit was registered in two states, but the woman I quoted above was not and neither were the nuns (here’s a fun link) from this election cycle.
Daley, why you against 90 year Notre Dame nuns exercising their franchise?
The whole issue highlights the general GOP principle of outlawing problems which don’t exist. Incompetent tools.
PS I never alleged fraud in Ohio; I alleged a systemic attempt to create long lines and delays at polling places in the inner city to keep people from voting. There’s no fraud in that, that’s just electioneering.
timb (a83d56) — 9/24/2008 @ 8:34 am#39, Phil may not be a lawyer, I don’t know. But I suspect there are several screen names being used by a single individual making lefty comments here.
I’ve raised the issue with Psyberian, and tried to query VietEraVet, but got no response from him. Psy did respond and said he’s not using any other names.
Perhaps someone with administrative access might look into the matter.
Ropelight (f4b89a) — 9/24/2008 @ 8:35 amACORN is the premier Democrat Party appendage for voter fraud. As noted above ACORN is an association of “community organizers.” Now, isn’t that interesting.
Obama was a “community organizer” in Chicago. Ever wonder if he’s one of the ‘CORNs. How about that? I wonder if Bill Ayres is active in ACORN. Sure sounds like it would be his cup of tea. Perhaps Reverend Wright is also involved. You never know, or you would never ever know if you got your “news” from MSM.
Even if MSM knew how deeply Obama was associated with voter fraud, domestic terrorism, racial hatred and religious bigotry, crooked political fixers, dirty real estate transactions, Islamic terrorism, or any other misbehavior, MSM wouldn’t inform the public, they’d cover for THE ANOINTED ONE. Count on it.
Ropelight (f4b89a) — 9/24/2008 @ 8:38 amPhilip Bore-us,
Ya know, after the past few weeks, it’s at least somewhat harder to disagree with Biden than it would have been back in the golden age of rising home prices and easy credit.
— Actually, it’s just as easy to disagree with him as it ever was; maybe even more so, now that he could be in a position to directly affect policy.
The fact is, ordinary Americans get raped by large corporations. Not due to the free market — due to corporations and other powerful interests screwing up the free market.
— Gotta love it when a leftard combines a non sequiter and an ad hominem attack into one great “Big business — bad!” exclamation.
That’s never been more clear than it is now.
— It’s never more stupid than when you say it.
And labor unions, while obviously not ideal, don’t look so bad compared to the crap that’s going down right now.
— I thought it was consumers that they were raping; now it’s workers, too?
I’m a trial lawyer and a libertarian — that may seem like a contradiction to some, but the fact is that tort law holds individuals and corporations accountable for their own actions to a far greater extent than regulatory law.
— You’re in the same business as Riellebabydaddy. ‘Splains a lot.
The reason corporations are terrified of trial lawyers is because trial lawyers make them have to answer for themselves in front of ordinary people in a way that just doesn’t happen anywhere else in a representative democracy.
— Because there is NO government oversight or regulation of corporations, whatsoever; because there really is NO court of public opinion; investigative reporting NEVER produces tangible results; sales and stock prices NEVER plunge due to information in the public sector; there are NO criminal laws on the books; District Attorney’s NEVER file charges against corporations.
Anywhere else — be it the legislature or the executive branch — they can just lobby the representatives.
— The 1st Amendment is a bad thing because it leads to politicians being bought? No one within the Executive or Legislative branches ever takes on corporations, which by definition are heartless disingenuous evil entities, not even any of your liberal heroes?
In a trial, there’s no lobbying– they have to actually justify their actions to people who can’t be bought.
— Ah yes. The pristine sanctity of the courtroom. Thank God there’s at least one place on Earth where normal human beings achieve perfection.
if you think that much buying of either judges or jurors goes on, by all means, make your case.
— We weren’t talking about how often it happens, just that it happens at all. And when you say that “In a trial, there’s no lobbying,” are you including what you and opposing counsel do; something that most people would probably say is lobbying on behalf of your client?
It can happen but it’s far less systemic than in the rest of government, because it’s an all-or-nothing bid. If you try to bribe a clean juror or judge, you’re going to jail.
— How many cases of bribing (or attempting to bribe) a jurist occur each year?
Not like the schmoozing that goes on in the other branches of government on a daily basis.
— Here’s a question that few people seem to ask, and even fewer are willing to answer: The things that corporations lobby for, are all of them bad or harmful or exclusionary? You act like the fact that they lobby at all means they are trying to get away with something . . . trying to legally screw the little guy. Seems to me that’s a classic “workers control the means of production” attitude.
And clearly juries don’t dispense perfect justice — I didn’t say they did.
— No, instead you claimed that people in the other branches of government are easily corrupted. Your faith in basic integrity is bracing. Tell me, is it a good thing for a lawyer to express the opinion that they’re all a bunch of crooks?
It’s kind of funny that the OJ and King verdicts jump into your mind, since juries generally tend to be extremely hard on blacks. Yet you just can’t get over King and OJ. We’re living in the 21st century, by the way. It’s been more than a decade since both those verdicts.
Icy Truth (4935fe) — 9/24/2008 @ 8:58 am— And yet, when it serves the purpose of your argument you surely will dredge up an even older case.
“PS I never alleged fraud in Ohio; I alleged a systemic attempt to create long lines and delays at polling places in the inner city to keep people from voting.”
Timmah – That’s good no illegal conduct was found on the part of republicans. The long lines and delays of which you speak hilariously were caused by the democrats in charge of allocating voting machines among precincts in the inner city but the democrats lack the balls to acknowledge that and so instead blame republicans. So typical timmah.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/24/2008 @ 9:01 amACORN part-time employees engaged in petty little crimes, ropelight, and was appropriately slapped and the only people who care are the far-Right wing loons in the blogosphere. The idea that somehow ACORN swung an election is so silly that not even hannity or rove makes it.
What ACORN needs to do is stop paying its part-time employees per voter registration, which encourages the worker to make something up, and find another compensation model. Nonetheless, the idea that five people in Washington State and three people in Missouri committing voter fraud is changing an election is just silly.
You guys keep harping on it, though, and maybe the Washington Times or Rush will do story!
timb (a83d56) — 9/24/2008 @ 9:03 amRopelight, tell me if there are more “facts” out there than the ones in this breathless, hyper-paranoid opinion column:
online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html
I’m actually starting to laugh now whenever I hear Obama and Ayers mentioned in the same sentence. You guys need to stop talking about this because you’re wasting time — the only people who find these details interesting are those who’ve already made up their minds to vote for McCain. Everyone else’s eyes glaze over in about two seconds, when this endless story churning over the details of the administration of a charitable organization …
Face it, the story is this: “Obama and Ayers did together! Obama and Ayers! And Ayers was 1960’s violent radical! And Obama and Ayers did things Together! Educational things! Liberal things! Together!” And so on.
Phil (6d9f2f) — 9/24/2008 @ 9:15 amDailyrocks, I really don’t know what to make of your doubt that I’m a lawyer. Given the fact that I’m clearly addicted to arguing with people who will never change their minds, what other profession could I possibly have chosen?
Phil (6d9f2f) — 9/24/2008 @ 9:18 amA demonstrable lie. See Bart Peterson. See Evan Bayh. See Birch Bayh.
Why would the Dems that run the elections in those areas attempt to disenfranchise Dem voters?
ACORN is just a silly little group of no consequence, huh timmah?
I love how timmah just blows off ACORN’s noted corruption, and phil blows off the relationship between Baracky and Ayers. I suspect they would not be so cavalier were the party affiliations different.
JD (41e64f) — 9/24/2008 @ 10:32 amThere are some who call him . . . a-hole?
there is only one political party in America which seeks to keep people from voting.
— That’s exactly right. The Dems could care less if unqualified people vote, or if no-longer-living people manage to vote, or if someone happens to vote more than once. They don’t give a shit about any of those things.
Whether it’s from caging or photo ID or announcing their intention to screw foreclosed folks or placing inadequate polling places in likely Dem areas (thanks, Ken Blackwell), the Republican party — generally — opposes making voting easier and freer.
— It isn’t supposed to be easy and free; it’s supposed to be a privilege for which you follow a procedure designed to prevent abuse.
If only the trail lawyers were as capable as Biden imagined.
— . . . they would have all the money, having successfully sued everyone else.
The funny thing is I remember being around a bunch of Dem lawyers
— A laugh-a-minute bunch, to be sure.
The Dem lawyers were busy fighting the last war, while Blackwell and company out-smarted them. Seems like Biden and his army of attorneys is prepared to re-fight 2000 again. I wonder how they’ll be out-smarted again?
— Maybe, if they argued a case for which they had supporting evidence, they would have a chance of winning. By making a baseless charge and then hoping that corroborating evidence surfaces, they are engaging in that time-honored liberal tradition: wishful thinking.
By the way, Patterico himself goes to trial and is a lawyer? So, is the disdain for “trial lawyers” just limited to those who file tort claims and defend criminals and not on the trial lawyers who represent the State or the Corporation.
— No, just those who file tort claims. Criminal defense lawyers are okay . . . well, the ones that make blaming the victim TACTIC #1, they can all eat shit and die.
jesus, can’t any of you click a link?
— Can’t you spell Jesus with a capital “J”?
or when one says that only a certain kind of postcard can be excepted for registration
— Well, if only a certain kind can be excepted, that means most kinds will be accepted; right? So what’s the fucking problem?
I live in Indiana, no democrat ever wins here
— Does that include Evan Bayh and the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives and the Democratic majority in the State House of Representatives?
The whole issue highlights the general GOP principle of outlawing problems which don’t exist. Incompetent tools.
Icy Truth (74e75e) — 9/24/2008 @ 10:33 am— If the problem does not exist, what are you worried about?
I’m actually starting to laugh now whenever I hear Obama and Ayers mentioned in the same sentence.
— Laurel & Hardy, Abbott & Costello, Martin & Lewis, Obama & Ayers . . . doesn’t quite fit. There must be a difference between being one of the greatest all-time comedy teams and being one of the greatest all-time jokes.
You guys need to stop talking about this because you’re wasting time
— You need to stop telling us what to talk about, because you’re wasting your breath.
he only people who find these details interesting are those who’ve already made up their minds to vote for McCain. Everyone else’s eyes glaze over in about two seconds
— What are you so worried about, then?
Given the fact that I’m clearly addicted to arguing with people who will never change their minds, what other profession could I possibly have chosen?
Icy Truth (74e75e) — 9/24/2008 @ 10:47 am— Token conservative hostette on The View?
“ACORN part-time employees engaged in petty little crimes”
timmah – Nice. Now election fraud becomes a petty little crime because a democrat linked organization engages in it? Equivocate much?
Part-time employees? Do you actually think the guys at the top want to go to the slammer?
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/24/2008 @ 10:54 amKurtz had a very nice piece ar NRO yesterday on the Obama campaign’s attempts to minimize the damage from his connections to Ayers. He totally blows away the doubters.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 9/24/2008 @ 10:58 amNo such thing as voter fraud?
To misquote the movie, “The election officials… they see dead people“.
If there was a way to objectively test reasoning ability I would be all for it in a heartbeat. That is what government usually does for anything of consequence that it regulates. If you want to drive a car, you need a license. If you want to cash a check, you need ID. If you want to buy alcohol, prove your age. If you want to vote and help decide who runs the country, “Pull the big handle with the ‘D’ over it”. (That is the way you vote, according to all of the posters in Philly).
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/24/2008 @ 11:15 amPhil, #52 directs you to yesterday’s NRO article, and there is another one from the same author today. Both are a must read, but only if you’re interested in the facts.
Here’s another set of facts, from Peter Bronson of the Cincinnati Enquirer, (Cincinnati.com) “Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner (Democrat, but that’s an easy call) has a reputation as the most partisan state official in Ohio. And she works hard to earn it. The Democrat’s latest stunt rejected absentee ballots for thousands of Republicans.
But it’s not her first rodeo. Almost as soon as Brunner was elected in 2006, she tried to remove several Republican county elections officials, including Ohio Republican Party Chairman Robert Bennett. They accused her of “storm trooper tactics” to silence critics.”
Ropelight (f4b89a) — 9/24/2008 @ 11:32 am“Pull the big handle with the ‘D’ over it”
That is the only Democrat Party voter thought, and it is all they can comprehend. Everything else they say is just a dishonest re-phrasing of the same idea.
Apogee (366e8b) — 9/24/2008 @ 11:35 amPCD, if you think that much buying of either judges or jurors goes on, by all means, make your case.
Once again, here’s your evidence, Phil – you really don’t understand much regrading the Chicago Machine and Cook County politics, do you?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-chicagodays-greylord-story,0,4025843.story
Operation Greylord exposed just the tip of the iceberg regarding the widespread fraud and bribery that permeated the entire judicial system here, and still exists on multiple levels. Just over the past few years, we’ve had a former GOP Governor sent to the slammer for fraud, many Chicago Alderman sent to prison regarding shakedowns and bribery schemes, and now we have Tony Rezko awaiting a plea deal to spill the beans on what he’s been up to recently. There is a reason why both parties wanted Fitzgerald removed from his position here, and the fact that he was appointed by a former GOP Senator in order to clean up this cesspool made no difference to those who were reaping the rewards of the status quo.
Dmac (e639cc) — 9/24/2008 @ 12:29 pmA Brief Overview of Obama’s Politics:
Obama and his associates, including Bill Ayres, are disciples of Saul Alinsky’s Chicago school of socialist revolution.
Alinsky preached that bombs and bullets would not bring revolution to the USA, the middle class was too strong. Alinsky favored the use of “community organizers” (Alinsky’s term) to raise the consciousness of the disadvantaged, typically minorities, to the point where they were so angry and acutely aware of their economic pain and suffering, they could be united into a political force, with of course, elite “community organizers” to lead and direct them.
This force could then be used against the middle class to undermine their values, to denigrate and ridicule their traditions, their religion, and ultimately their rights. Alinsky wanted to demoralize and deceive the middle class into blindly joining in their own destruction.
Alinsky also preached “change,” it was his code work for socialist revolution. So long as “change” remained unspecified it would stand as a powerful slogan to rally around. Alinsky also taught his “community organizers” to lie and deny the truth rather than reveal their true intentions.
Like other meglalomaniacs before him, Saul Alinsky wrote it all down, chapter and verse, what he intended. Read “Rules for Radicals” if you want to understand what Obama says and why he says it.
Ropelight (f4b89a) — 9/24/2008 @ 12:43 pmDmac, you’re right, that’s a hell of a corruption ring. I don’t live in Chicago, and I suppose being around stuff like that could make you pretty cynical about the court system. That’s a pretty scary story.
As a trial lawyer, I obviously get to see more of the good stuff that goes down as a result of trials, and how sometimes trials really are the only remedy for so many people. And of course, I get to see who’s really behind much of the “trial lawyers are bad” movement — namely, insurance company public relations.
But obviously true corruption is terrible, and scary, for lawyers, too. I’d be miserable in a system where the truth wasn’t of any value, and I could only win if I knew the right people, or paid enough money.
Phil (3b1633) — 9/24/2008 @ 4:53 pm