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9/17/2008

Leftists Hack Into Palin’s E-Mail, Jerks Publish Results (UPDATED)

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:01 pm



Details at Hot Air.

UPDATE: A reader writes to protest that this group is not a bunch of leftists. I based my judgment on the information and links in the Hot Air post — e.g. their protest at the Republican convention and their targeting of Palin. But I’ll concede that I don’t really know anything about this group, other than that they deserve to be prosecuted for what they did to Palin, and generally seem like the kind of losers one generally associates with anonymity on the Internet.

UPDATE x2: I agree with Michelle Malkin: an appropriate level of outrage should be directed at the jerks who gleefully republished this stuff.

169 Responses to “Leftists Hack Into Palin’s E-Mail, Jerks Publish Results (UPDATED)”

  1. No wonder McCain doesn’t use e-mail! The guy is a genius.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  2. I’m not sure that Anonymous qualifies as “leftist”.

    Jaybird (f420c4)

  3. But remember, they’re doing it to keep the sleazeballs out of office.

    Icy Truth (db6433)

  4. Mike K–that is brilliant. I will borrow it (but borrowing from another cultural reference, we are not Communists are we? You will of course get credit).

    I am sure the voices on the left will rise up in outrage as this terrible invasion of Sarah Palin…

    Why do I hear crickets?

    Joe (dcebbd)

  5. What a terrible invation of privacy…oh my…always makes me laugh when effiminate,p****y, chicken hawk, coward republicans start crying. Oh…they hacked my email account…oh they killed a baby…oh they want to tax me, oh they caught me picking up men in the bathroom. HaHaHa…thats why they like the tough talk guys like Rush (I need drugs!) Limbaugh. You guys are weak…lite beer drinking, never been in a fight, cross dressing repubs

    stu (a7f174)

  6. Oooh look out The Stu-inator is going to karate chop you while drinking a Guinness! Throw your purses at him, boys!

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  7. stu…
    To say you are a worthless POS would be disrespecting fecal matter.
    You prove the point that the standard of those on the Left, is no standards at all.

    Another Drew (8a6fd1)

  8. Stu,
    That has to be the most pathetic attempt at a counter argument that I have ever read. Are you kidding? Breaking federal law (which hacking email accounts is) is not a laughing matter. Is that really what it has come to?

    Cankle (8aa31a)

  9. Let the reverse trace on his IP address begin.

    Icy Truth (db6433)

  10. Why do I hear crickets? Weak.

    stu (a7f174)

  11. What do you need to hear, that you’re a fucking jerk for saying that this hack of her email was no big deal?

    Pretty sure you can tell yourself that.

    Icy Truth (db6433)

  12. All cower and tremble before internet tough guy stu!

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  13. lol…wow…more crying…waaaa. HAHAHA…btw…go ahead and hack me. I use someone elses gateway….haha..attack the nice family that lives next door.

    stu (a7f174)

  14. all cower and tremble before the internet tough guy jack

    stu (a7f174)

  15. Stu,
    I take back my last comment. Your #13 comment is definitely the stupidest thing I have ever read.

    Cankle (8aa31a)

  16. Age range guess on stu? 13-17?

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  17. #15 – Cankle

    Your #13 comment is definitely the stupidest thing I have ever read.

    — Now you’ve done it. The last thing this tard needs is a challenge that he is fully capable of not only meeting, but exceeding by a mile.

    Icy Truth (db6433)

  18. Jack…please never knock Guiness again! One of Gods Holly Gifts to Man…

    stu (a7f174)

  19. Obama supporters committed a felony and Obama supporters agree with that felonious act.

    Color me unsurprised that the soul of the Left is a drooling thug.

    Darleen (187edc)

  20. Oh…they hacked my email account…oh they killed a baby…Comment by stu — 9/17/2008 @ 5:23 pm

    Interesting that that’s what you picked for your second mock in the list. Gov. Palin DESERVED to have her privacy invaded for being against “choice” and “privacy” (aka brutally and painfully killing a human child in the womb), do I have that right? NOW she’ll get what an invasion of privacy is, right?

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  21. If he were 13 he’d be Stewie. So I’ll go with 14.

    Bel Aire (e59286)

  22. noyk – You are giving stu WAY too much credit for having the ability to connect two thoughts together. Call it stringing together a list of talking points that happen to make the connection you mentioned — but not by design.

    Icy Truth (db6433)

  23. I’m going to say this is 2008’s Rathergate – an easily understandable attempt to materially impact an election. The lefties can’t help going a bridge too far.

    Bel Aire (e59286)

  24. this came from 4chan.org. What on there is ‘leftist’? Jeez this is how it will play out. This hack (if that, it was probably just a password guess/brute force) is the equivalent of ‘online left’ like daily kos and bloggers.

    imdw (0b3979)

  25. Gov. Palin DESERVED to have her privacy invaded

    I’ve read variations on that theme on the thug leftist sites today. Just as they support the racist, childabuser Wooten.

    So what if thug hackers put Bristol or Track in danger? The Left cannot allow a woman off the reservation to succeed. The scorched earth policy against Gov. Palin is more than just her now, it is to send an example to every non-left woman who may be thinking of running for higher office

    “look, pig, this is what will happen to you and yours if you dare get in our way.”

    The AP refuses to cooperate with the Secret Service.

    Unfortunately only the original cyber-burglar is a criminal, 3rd parties are legally in the clear.

    My wish though is that due to an investigation, a SWAT team seizes Gawkers servers and puts ’em out of business.

    Darleen (187edc)

  26. It doesn’t matter if the act was committed by a leftie or inspired by the left. I may be wrong, but I think the middle won’t care about the distinction.

    Get back to me when Obama or Biden’s personal email is hacked.

    Bel Aire (e59286)

  27. Do you think Sarah Marx said something about being against the bridge to nowhere in her email?

    stu (a7f174)

  28. Future Stewie: That’s never happened to me before.
    Girlfriend: What, the 8 seconds of sex or the 40 minutes of crying?
    Future Stewie: Both

    Icy Truth (db6433)

  29. Dirty tricks are Obama’s stock in trade.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  30. Icy, the first and only time Stu will ever see a women’s v – jay in the flesh is when he was born.

    Dmac (e639cc)

  31. “The scorched earth policy against Gov. Palin is more than just her now, it is to send an example to every non-left woman who may be thinking of running for higher office”

    They probably did it for the lolz. As if there wasn’t enough lolz in her using a yahoo address for business.

    “Unfortunately only the original cyber-burglar is a criminal, 3rd parties are legally in the clear.”

    Yeah the first amedment will cause lots of ‘unfortunately.’

    “My wish though is that due to an investigation, a SWAT team seizes Gawkers servers and puts ‘em out of business.”

    What does gawker have to do with this? the stuff came from wikileaks.

    imdw (7c85b9)

  32. Darleen, you are quickly becoming the silliest, knee-kerk partisan hack in the entire partisan blogosphere (which is a quite an accomplishment). If you don’t know about these moron, evil pricks who just like hacking things and making trouble, then you reveal your insanity by blaming “liberals”.

    Calling them leftists is like calling the Klan Republican.

    Try to avoid becoming a parody, Darleen.

    timb (8f04c0)

  33. Bubba, Condoleezza, Trump…. all of ’em avoid email. I had no opinion on JSM one way or other; if it was his injuries or sheer ‘sabotage protection.’ Clearly, Palin was not in a position to make a choice. Kind of scummy. Obama the effing victim. How will he twist this … …

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  34. So, will the people who have fits about the DOJ listening to phone calls of people talking to terrorists voice any concern about hacking into the email of Gov. Palin?

    On another note- anybody out there have communications expertise to give opinions on how this might have been done? If she used web-based email such as Google or Yahoo can those in control of the host servers take a peak if/when they want to?

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  35. Pathetic sad little twatwaffles.

    JD (5f0e11)

  36. Calling them leftists is like calling the Klan Republican.

    Try to avoid becoming a parody, Darleen.

    Thanks, moron. Now we know why you’re voting for Obama. Figured as much from your post. Racist.

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  37. “So, will the people who have fits about the DOJ listening to phone calls of people talking to terrorists voice any concern about hacking into the email of Gov. Palin?”

    What happened to palin is clearly a crime. And we’ve recently found out that people at DOJ (including ashcroft) decided that so was parts of the warrantless surveillance program.

    imdw (05d9a7)

  38. Try to avoid becoming a parody, Darleen.

    And just like clockwork, the Mynah Bird of the Apocolapse chimes in with his usual supply of earnest douchedom. Way to go, TIMMAH!

    Dmac (e639cc)

  39. “Unfortunately only the original cyber-burglar is a criminal, 3rd parties are legally in the clear.”

    Comment by Darleen — 9/17/2008 @ 6:08 pm

    Are you certain of this?

    And does this mean we’ll be seeing the content?

    jharp (f4bed7)

  40. timb

    You honestly think these thugs are NOT supporters of The One? Why haven’t these bi-partisan hacks gone after The One?

    This is not an isolated incident, any more than the Obama camp sending their acolytes to shut down the telephones and email system of a radio station that dared put on people who displeased the messhiah.

    Darleen (187edc)

  41. Darleen – You have an admirer.

    JD (5f0e11)

  42. imdw,

    “So, will the people who have fits about the DOJ listening to phone calls of people talking to terrorists voice any concern about hacking into the email of Gov. Palin?”

    “What happened to palin is clearly a crime.”

    Very interesting point.

    When the government does it, it’s legal.

    When a private citizen does it, it’s a federal crime.

    For the record I think it should be illegal for both.

    jharp (f4bed7)

  43. Icy Truth: That never happened to me before!
    Icy Truth’s daughter: But you always sneak into my bed at midnight.
    Icy Truth: Oh yeah :)

    stu (a7f174)

  44. Dmac – timmah is commercial-grade mendoucheous.

    JD (5f0e11)

  45. When the government does it, it’s legal.

    When a private citizen does it, it’s a federal crime.

    Someone who can’t grasp the difference between jail and kidnapping.

    Darleen (187edc)

  46. JD

    It’s very simple. This is a clarifying moment that demonstrates simple morality.

    Those that excuse, support or applaud the crime are morally bankrupt.

    Darleen (187edc)

  47. Is stu really Levi?

    JD (5f0e11)

  48. Seems we’re experiencing a rash of “knee-jerk” accusations this week.

    Icy Truth (db6433)

  49. Stewie: What are the stakes of this wager?
    Brian: Why don’t you just shut up for about a week?
    Stewie: Excellent, and if I win?
    Brian: I wasn’t betting. Why don’t you just shut up for about a week?
    Stewie (pause): You’re on.

    Icy Truth (db6433)

  50. I think it is less about being morally bankrupt, like timmah and jharpy, and more about situational ethics, selective outrage, and hypocrisy

    JD (5f0e11)

  51. if someone accepts possession of stolen material (a fence) that person has broken the law. since this is stolen material hasnt gawker broken the law? especially since they knew it was stolen thru a hack.

    chas (e36377)

  52. “This is not an isolated incident, any more than the Obama camp sending their acolytes to shut down the telephones and email system of a radio station that dared put on people who displeased the messhiah.”

    Uh, thats an email from the campaign (first amendment activity) telling people to phone (first amendment activity) a radio station (also first amendment, arguably less than phone calls and emails). Thats completely different than anonymous harassers (who may or may not be the same people that have targeted feminist bloggers in the past, both are from an international anonymous message board, 4chan) committing crimes at really no-one’s direction.

    imdw (1fec6f)

  53. You honestly think these thugs are NOT supporters of The One?

    We’re talking about Anonymous here. Sometimes I wonder why people use the internet if they’re not going to do any research. Want to know what Anonymous think of Obama? Read what they think about Obama. If you didn’t know that was where you could find that out, then you don’t know about Anonymous and need to stop pretending like you do.

    SEK (072055)

  54. “give opinions on how this might have been done?” Malkin has the details on how the acct was cracked.

    gp (78ea4b)

  55. I blame Chimpy McHitlerburton.

    Racists

    JD (5f0e11)

  56. I was going to add that Gov. Palin could have avoided this by using a secure, government email account (which she should use – probably legally?), but I couldn’t stop laughing over the oxymoron.

    SEK is right, these guys are anarchists and would just as gladly pee on Obama’s rug as Sarah’s or the First Dude’s.

    Bob Loblaw (6d485c)

  57. Malkin has the details on how the acct was cracked.

    No, she really, really doesn’t. Click on the link and see who we’re talking about here. You think Malkin has access to forums the Church of Scientology has spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to infiltrate/obliterate? Don’t think so.

    SEK (072055)

  58. Well, hopefully there is an upside to this…that is, government officials of any stripe will not conduct official business over third-party channels, especially in an effort, as has been alleged, to prevent such official business from sunshine laws.

    Shodo (dbfcb4)

  59. I don’t know that the third parties are immune, as Darleen says. Although I defer to her, she being a prosecutor. Yes, a priori restraints (cf. The Pentagon Papers) would not stand First Amendment scrutiny in this instance. Criminal penalties for accessories to electronic communications theft is a different area.

    nk (189a81)

  60. When the government does it, it’s legal.

    When a private citizen does it, it’s a federal crime.

    Someone who can’t grasp the difference between jail and kidnapping.

    Comment by Darleen — 9/17/2008 @ 6:47 pm

    What in the world are you talking about?

    jharp (f4bed7)

  61. “I don’t know that the third parties are immune, as Darleen says.”

    Seems to me it’s going to be tough to keep them out of public view. It is the world wide web after all.

    jharp (f4bed7)

  62. “Criminal penalties for accessories to electronic communications theft is a different area.”

    You’re not an accessory to hacking if you just host content. Just like you’re not an accessory to a leak of classified material (like, say, the SWIFT disclosure) if you blog about it.

    imdw (442fd4)

  63. jharp is in favor of civil rights for terrorists. Fair enough. When Obama closes Gitmo, I hppe jharp volunteers to take one of the inmates home with him.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  64. Hey Darleen, is “Biting Beaver” a right-winger too? Anonymous went after her when she said she wished she had aborted her son when she caught him watching porn. You really need to get some perspective.

    Josh (86f13d)

  65. Although I defer to her, she being a prosecutor.

    Uh, no.

    Josh (86f13d)

  66. “Uh, no.”

    lol. when the first amendment is involved, thats not who you wanna defer to.

    imdw (20f608)

  67. Why haven’t these bi-partisan hacks gone after The One?

    Because he isn’t stupid enough to use a Yahoo email account, most likely.

    Josh (86f13d)

  68. From where did we acquire this list of degenerates?

    Another Drew (8a6fd1)

  69. But if you KNOW it was obtained illegally, You could be nailed with recieving charges…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  70. As Darleen noted above, this Denver Post article says the AP refused to comply with the Secret Service’s request to turn over copies of Palin’s hacked emails. How can the AP refuse? The only reason I can think of is that the emails could reveal the hacker(s)’ identities and the hackers are the AP’s source, but that seems like a stretch if they’ve publicly claimed responsibility.

    DRJ (0754ed)

  71. jharp is in favor of civil rights for terrorists. Fair enough. When Obama closes Gitmo, I hppe jharp volunteers to take one of the inmates home with him.

    Comment by Mike K — 9/17/2008 @ 8:08 pm

    Honest to Christ where do you come up with such an idiotic remark.

    And just to be clear, I am against the government listening in on my phone calls and monitoring my e mail.

    You have some sort of problem with that?

    jharp (f4bed7)

  72. And just to be clear, I am against the government listening in on my phone calls and monitoring my e mail.
    — And just to be clear, the government really doesn’t care to know how many German girls you watch pee.

    Icy Truth (ef009a)

  73. Why is this troll “stu” still here? I mean if he had something constructive to say, but no, it’s all about making STUpid and outrageous statements so he can lol at us old farts getting all bent. Just my 2 cents.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  74. Because he isn’t stupid enough to use a Yahoo email account, most likely.
    — That’s right. Yahoo! sucks, and Sarah was stupid to trust them. Actually, the whole world is just one big pile of shit, right Josh?

    Icy Truth (ef009a)

  75. Since it turns out that there was nothing there except several people’s privacy, my only concern is not how fast this stuff disappears, but how fast the FBI makes arrests.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  76. How can the AP refuse?

    Why wouldn’t they be able to? It was just a request, not a court order.

    Josh (86f13d)

  77. Because he isn’t stupid enough to use a Yahoo email account, most likely.
    – That’s right. Yahoo! sucks, and Sarah was stupid to trust them.

    Dead on. Icy.

    It’s nice to see a winger admit the truth.

    jharp (f4bed7)

  78. Well, I would think the next step would be to get a search-order for any and all material relating to the Sarah Palin, et all, emails; and then send in crews in every AP office in the land to go through the files for said material.
    That should only take a week or two to sort through all of the folders/discs/tapes/chips/drives/etc.

    Another Drew (8a6fd1)

  79. And just to be clear, I am against the government listening in on my phone calls and monitoring my e mail.

    You have some sort of problem with that?

    I sure do, at least when you are communicating with terrorists. I know you guys want to make it sound like every subscriber to The Nation is having their phone calls monitored, but the reality is far different and the people being targeted are the ones who have al Qaeda in their Fav 5 lists.

    JVW (6c4300)

  80. For the record, I am not a prosecutor.

    I’m still in the judiciary, with 10 years in the DA office, I’m now with Probation in a supervisor position.

    Darleen (187edc)

  81. Why wouldn’t they be able to? It was just a request, not a court order.

    I dunno about you, Josh, but if the Secret Service asked me for something, I would probably hand it over, court order or no.

    I suspect that yeah, the stuff would lead right back to the hankers, and maybe even prove the paper was in contact before the hack, making them co-conspirators.

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  82. Well, Fark.com is taking a gleeful tone regarding this anonymous attack on a public servant.

    If you are serious about retribution I would point out that Fark has a spinoff listing called foobies which is basicly an online peepshow. It originally was a feature of the main Fark page until someone pointed it out to a womens studies hag with her hair bun screwed down a few foot/pounds too tight. After that they made it a separate page.

    A targeted email campaign, pointing out it’s existence to an uptight feminist, or abnormally puritanical christian, would be enough to end that little source of misogynistic hedonism. For the children’s safety of course.

    Hit them where it hurts.

    papertiger (2c3adb)

  83. What in the world are you talking about?

    Comment by jharp — 9/17/2008 @ 7:48 pm

    =============

    No critical thinking skills?

    CONTEXT, bah-by.

    Darleen (187edc)

  84. Darleen…
    All things being equal, I think the decision is correct; but, I hope that the “6” never find themselves on the short end of an intercepted/hacked communication.

    Another Drew (8a6fd1)

  85. Dead on. Icy…. It’s nice to see a winger admit the truth.

    So IOW, you’re okay with Republicans’ privacy being invaded for any reason or no reason. Good to know.

    qdpsteve (dc65ab)

  86. I think it’s time to change the title of the post to : Hackers Infiltrate Palin’s E-mail, Knee Jerk Righty Bloggers Rush to Blame.

    Josh (86f13d)

  87. The hackers need to spend some time away from their computers — about 3-5 years.

    Bradley J. Fikes (0ea407)

  88. No Josh, it’s Hackers Infiltrate Palin’s E-Mail, Stalinist Lefties Giggle with Obscene Glee.

    qdpsteve (dc65ab)

  89. What Bradley said.

    qdpsteve (dc65ab)

  90. That’s right. Yahoo! sucks, and Sarah was stupid to trust them.

    Reminds me of the gangbanger excuse for ripping off the nice, middle class house,

    “Hey, they didn’t lock their back patio door with anything but the latch. How stupid were they?”

    jharp is a moral idiot.

    Darleen (187edc)

  91. No, Darleen; You’re Wrong!

    jharp is an immoral idiot!

    Another Drew (8a6fd1)

  92. Darleen exactamundo. Plus, how much $$$ would you want to bet that harptard would be soiling his diapers screaming his ugly head off for NATIONAL MARTIAL LAW if his beloved Messiah’s online privacy invaded?

    qdpsteve (dc65ab)

  93. I’m sure you would, Scott, but perhaps the AP cares a little more about their constitutional rights.

    Two things can be true here, folks: (1) The person who hacked Palin’s account is a real tool and deserves to be punished; (2) Palin shouldn’t have been conducting official business with a private e-mail account that, intentionally or not, would allow her to avoid Alaska’s public document retention laws.

    Josh (86f13d)

  94. So IOW, you’re okay with Republicans’ privacy being invaded for any reason or no reason. Good to know.

    Comment by qdpsteve — 9/17/2008 @ 9:15 pm

    No, I’m not and don’t know why you would come to that conclusion.

    I do, however, think Governor was stupid for using a yahoo account. That’s all.

    See the difference?

    jharp (f4bed7)

  95. Yeah harp, and all those rape victims were so stupid for wearing miniskirts. What were they thinking? We all know men, and the animals at the DNC, can’t control themselves.

    qdpsteve (dc65ab)

  96. Apparently I can’t use sarcasm around jharp anymore, because he will just pretend that I’m agreeing with him.

    And of course pretending is the only way that will ever happen.

    Icy Truth (ef009a)

  97. That’s right. Yahoo! sucks, and Sarah was stupid to trust them.

    Reminds me of the gangbanger excuse for ripping off the nice, middle class house,

    “Hey, they didn’t lock their back patio door with anything but the latch. How stupid were they?”

    They were stupid. That is the whole point.

    Exactly the same as Governors Palin’s stupid decision.

    And no it doesn’t make it OK to break the law.

    Get it?

    jharp (f4bed7)

  98. Josh, you and others have constructed this straw-man about Gov. Palin using her private email acct for govt business.
    That is not what the controversy is about.
    Most people are upset that the personal info of her kids and husband has been accessed.Most of us don’t give a whiz about what official business might be revealed, since that is supposed to be public info anyway.
    Plus, I feel confident that if you filed a FIA request with the Gov’s office, you would get that info anyway – just as they furnish phone and appointment logs.

    Another Drew (8a6fd1)

  99. You guys are losing it.

    Bad day to be a GOPer.

    But to be honest I don’t feel the least bit sorry.

    Thou reapeth what they soweth.

    I’m outta her for a few days. A little golf and a major (for me) business deal to tend to.

    jharp (f4bed7)

  100. conducting official business

    You keep saying that, as if it were true.

    Is communicating with her husband and children OFFICIAL business or by having a private account really an attempt to separate private communication from public?

    Stop equivocating, there is not excuse for the burglary. None.

    If you can’t condemn it, than your morality is questionable.

    Darleen (187edc)

  101. At least, as a conservative woman, I’m an adult with a moral compas.

    Obama and ilk? Not so much.

    Darleen (187edc)

  102. I realize that’s not what the controversy is about. But it’s still true. Though Graeme Frost probably finds this sudden concern for privacy pretty amusing.

    I’m not as sanguine as you are about the accessibility of those emails. Funny emails have a funny way of disappearing these days. Ask Dana Perino. It’s the darndest thing.

    Josh (86f13d)

  103. Plus, I feel confident that if you filed a FIA request with the Gov’s office, you would get that info anyway – just as they furnish phone and appointment logs.

    Comment by Another Drew

    Wrong again.

    ANCHORAGE – Moments after Gov. Sarah Palin’s first speech as Republican John McCain’s running mate, she sat with her kids backstage, thumbing one of the two BlackBerrys that are always with her. You can see them in photographs from that day on the campaign blog of one of McCain’s daughters.

    The tech-savvy governor has one of the devices (which allow users to read and send e-mails) for state business and another for personal matters, but those worlds intertwine.

    Palin routinely uses a private Yahoo e-mail account to conduct state business. Others in the governor’s office sometimes use personal e-mail accounts, too.

    The practice raises questions about backdoor secrecy in an administration that vowed during the 2006 campaign to be “open and transparent.”

    Even before the McCain campaign plucked Palin from Alaska, a controversy was brewing over e-mails in the governor’s office. Was the administration trying to get around the public records law through broad exemptions or private e-mail accounts?

    Activists, still fighting to obtain hundreds of e-mails that were withheld from public records requests earlier this year, say that’s what it looks like.

    The governor’s Yahoo account is “the most nonsensical, inane thing I’ve ever heard of,” said Andree McLeod, who is appealing the administration’s decision to withhold e-mails.

    http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/091608/sta_333013278.shtml

    jharp (f4bed7)

  104. Sorry Darleen. I’d tell you to re-read my comment for comprehension since I’m not excusing anything but I realize keeping two thoughts in your head at once tends to break your moral compass.

    Josh (86f13d)

  105. Gee, the two libtards both think that Sarah — you remember her; the victim — has some blame in this by virtue of her “stupid” actions.

    Stick to the script; stick to the script. Whatever happens, blame her.

    Icy Truth (ef009a)

  106. jharp

    “They were stupid. That is the whole point.”

    Is that something like, “her skirt was too short, she was stupid to believe she wouldn’t be raped. That doesn’t make it illegal.”

    Yeah, you are some paragon of moral pronouncements there.

    Relative of Nagin?

    Darleen (187edc)

  107. And no it doesn’t make it OK to break the law. Get it?

    Let me answer that this way jharp: here’s what a real American liberal (and yes I believe there are still such individuals, I don’t think or assume every lib is an unpatriotic jerk) would have said about the e-mail breach:

    “It’s outrageous and disgusting that someone would invade Governor Palin’s and her family’s privacy this way. I’m a proud Obama/Biden supporter and will remain so, but I join the McCain/Palin campaign in condemning these underhanded actions, and I’m sure the Obama campaign itself will do so soon as well.”

    See how easy it is?

    qdpsteve (dc65ab)

  108. This is not an isolated incident, any more than the Obama camp sending their acolytes to shut down the telephones and email system of a radio station that dared put on people who displeased the messiah.

    This is hands down the dirtiest campaign we’ve witnessed in about the last 50 years. LBJ could take tips on sleaze from BHO.

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  109. Well he hasn’t done any push-polling on McCain’s “black” child, Vermont Neighbor, so at least there’s that.

    Icy Truth, please re-read where you’ll note that I don’t blame Palin at all. I’m raising a side issue that also bears on her e-mail account. It’s best to understand what’s going on before you call people tards. You look kind of silly otherwise.

    Josh (86f13d)

  110. I’m raising a side issue that also bears on her e-mail account.

    Josh – No you’re raising an issue that’s irrelevant to the thread and illegally hacking the contents of someone’s email. The contents don’t matter.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  111. I’m raising a side issue that also bears on her e-mail account

    Shorter Josh: It wasn’t right to rape her, but her skirt was too short!

    Darleen (187edc)

  112. Josh —

    please re-read where you’ll note that I don’t blame Palin at all.

    — Here’s what I re-read:

    Because he [Obama] isn’t stupid enough to use a Yahoo email account, most likely. – 9/17/2008 @ 8:23 pm

    — If not Sarah Palin, then who are you blaming? I could care less if you think I look silly. You said it, I called you on it, and now you’re trying to backtrack.

    Icy Truth (ef009a)

  113. Maybe the AP has claimed a First Amendment privilege but it’s not clear that’s what was done. I can also understand if the AP wants a subpoena before it turns over documents, but the article didn’t say that either. So I’m left with this: To refuse to turn over relevant information regarding a possible crime could be obstruction of justice, couldn’t it?

    Nevertheless, it may not be necessary. It looks like the ctunnel webmaster believes he can track down who did this and he says he will probably give the information to law enforcement.

    DRJ (0754ed)

  114. Well actually I first came in to correct Patterico and the knee-jerk fools who were flailing about trying to blame this on Obama supporters. Then, one of them, Darleen asked, why they hadn’t done this to Obama, and I pointed out the reason. That’s how the Yahoo account got raised as far as I was concerned.

    It happened over several different comments and may have been hard to trace so I’ll forgive your error.

    Josh (86f13d)

  115. Apparently one can catch arrogance.

    DRJ (0754ed)

  116. Try again, Icy Truth. Darleen was insisting in the face of all the evidence that “Anonymous” is comprised of Obama supporters. In a feeble attempt to make that case, she asked why they hadn’t hacked his account. I pointed out that he probably didn’t have an account that was easily hackable. It was probably my fault to even try to engage Darleen, as her recent comment shows that once she gets an idea in her head about the evil libtards no amount logic or calm explanation will dislodge it.

    DRJ, I don’t think it’s obstruction unless you deceive the government or destroy evidence. Everyone is entitled to say “Not without a warrant” when the government wants to take your stuff.

    Josh (86f13d)

  117. Yes, it’s true DRJ, us Stalinist libtards have trouble with humility. Shame on us dirty Stalinist libtards.

    Josh (86f13d)

  118. Well said.

    DRJ (0754ed)

  119. Josh,

    They didn’t say “not without a warrant” as far as I can tell. Maybe they did and it wasn’t reported but if we’re going to make up facts, we could just as easily make up that the AP said “screw you.”

    DRJ (0754ed)

  120. Man, don’t you just hate it when these evil, stubborn criminal-justice prosecutors just get some silly idea into their demented little brains, and won’t let go of it?
    Man, next thing you know, they’ll actually expect the rest of us to obey the law.
    What a bummer, man!

    Another Drew (8a6fd1)

  121. Josh

    It was one, one hacker out to get something “incriminating” on Palin. Now why would that be? Why so anxious to derail her candidacy?

    and what did it find?

    I read though the emails… ALL OF THEM… before I posted, and what I concluded was anticlimactic, there was nothing there, nothing incriminating, nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped, all I saw was personal stuff, some clerical stuff from when she was governor…. And pictures of her family
    […]
    Earlier it was just some prank to me, I really wanted to get something incriminating which I was sure there would be, just like all of you anon out there that you think there was some missed opportunity of glory, well there WAS NOTHING, I read everything, every little blackberry confirmation… all the pictures, and there was nothing, and it finally set in, THIS internet was serious business, yes I was behind a proxy, only one, if this shit ever got to the FBI I was fucked, I panicked, i still wanted the stuff out there but I didn’t know how to rapidshit all that stuff, so I posted the pass on /b/, and then promptly deleted everything, and unplugged my internet and just sat there in a comatose state

    This moral moron, motivated to “get” the EVILLLL NON-WOMAN Palin finds out that YES it was a private account, no official business ….

    NO SHORT SKIRT.

    Keep excusing the rape.

    Darleen (187edc)

  122. Geez, Darleen…
    There you go raining on the parade again.
    What a bummer, Man!

    As to josh/jharp/etc.
    Get hosed!

    Another Drew (8a6fd1)

  123. “They were stupid. That is the whole point.”

    Is that something like, “her skirt was too short, she was stupid to believe she wouldn’t be raped. That doesn’t make it illegal.”

    No Darlene,

    It’s more like “she went out alone late at night in a neighborhood where many women have been raped in the past”.

    It doesn’t make it OK to rape her nor does it make the crime any less horrendous. It’s just it’s not a good idea to travel alone late at night in bad neighborhoods.

    Governor Palin should have known better.

    jharp (f4bed7)

  124. Couple of observations:

    1. No definitive proof has been provided that proves it is “a leftist”. Many Hackers tend to be more anarchist in nature. Some of the sites publishing the emails are leftist sites to be sure.
    2. Ctunnel may be able to get some information but if they used multiple proxies the trail gets cold quick.
    3. TOS at yahoo leaves it to the account owner to ensure confidentiality of the password. Someone needs to give Palin a crash course in security 101.
    4. When a person logs into a government site they are met with a banner and welcome screen that tell them all the laws they break if they abuse, hack or otherwise cause trouble. We have seen a couple of cases get tossed out because the wording was too vague — the point is that even if they find the person making a “case” against them may be difficult.

    voiceofreason2 (5fd49c)

  125. “It’s outrageous and disgusting that someone would invade Governor Palin’s and her family’s privacy this way. I’m a proud Obama/Biden supporter and will remain so, but I join the McCain/Palin campaign in condemning these underhanded actions, and I’m sure the Obama campaign itself will do so soon as well.”

    See how easy it is?

    Comment by qdpsteve — 9/17/2008 @ 9:38 pm

    I agree. Well said.

    And Governor Palin should have known better.

    Hell, I know better and I’m no Governor.

    jharp (f4bed7)

  126. How convenient that “Because he isn’t stupid enough to use a Yahoo email account,” magically gets spun into “I pointed out that he probably didn’t have an account that was easily hackable.” If you had written it that way in the first place you could have avoided most of this. And I say “most” because How the hell do you know if Yahoo’s email server is “easily hackable”? The mere fact that it happened at all means it was easy to do? Where is your proof of this?

    Icy Truth (ef009a)

  127. VOR

    but Yahoo provides a password recovery system based on a question

    the cyber-thief used that avenue to get the password

    The cyber-thief’s motivation was to get something “incriminating” …

    anarchists…at least syndicate anarchists, are collectivists IE leftists.

    Darleen (187edc)

  128. The hacker-tard wrote: some clerical stuff from when she was governor
    — Is he not aware that she is still the governor?

    Icy Truth (ef009a)

  129. Josh, I’m not blaming you when I point out how stupid you are to make the arguments you have made.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  130. Darleen,

    The method they used to get it is commonly used. The more public profile a person has (bios, kids names, etc.) the easier it is to begin to guess possible passwords.
    Not sure what you mean by syndicate anarchists, etc. — I’m certainly not defending/condoning what they did – just trying to point out the difficult of finding and making a case against someone who does.

    voiceofreason2 (5fd49c)

  131. Patterico, that post #128 was brilliant, and should be referenced under “hoisted by one’s own petard.”

    I swear, since I started reading this blog regularly, I have been very happy I bought one of those keyboard covers. I seem to read these posts as I am drinking a soft drink or coffee, and I’m sure I would have shorted out the computer by now.

    All the Left needs to do is condemn this stuff without adding a “…but…” to their sentence. Maybe Obama will.

    Eric Blair (81e599)

  132. Heck, Patterico, I meant #129, though Icy Truth is one of my favorite verbal duelists ’round these parts.

    Eric Blair (81e599)

  133. Governor Palin should have known better.

    What the hell is that supposed to mean? That she should have known better than to use web-based e-mail, because she should have known that some assholes would hack it, and cretins like you would blame her for it?

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  134. Darleen is saying that anarcho-syndicalists are on the left. So if that’s what the hackers are, they are leftists. (A certain well-known troll who’s a Palin-slanderer describes himself as an anarcho-syndicalist.)

    I think it’s very unlikely that anarcho-capitalists are involved. They wouldn’t have the same beef with Palin that the collectivist types do.

    Bradley J. Fikes (0ea407)

  135. #

    Governor Palin should have known better.

    What the hell is that supposed to mean? That she should have known better than to use web-based e-mail, because she should have known that some assholes would hack it, and cretins like you would blame her for it?

    Comment by Patterico — 9/17/2008 @ 10:48 pm

    Yeah, pretty much. Except the part about blaming her for it. I would think she’d be aware of the vulnerability of web based e mail.

    I am. And I’m not even a governor.

    Comment by jharp — 9/17/2008 @ 10:53 pm

    And to be clear. I am not blaming her for anything.

    I am just saying she used poor judgment using a web based e mail.

    jharp (f4bed7)

  136. (A certain well-known troll who’s a Palin-slanderer describes himself as an anarcho-syndicalist.)

    Bradley, would that be the same troll who wrote a famous op-ed in the LA Times a year back about the “magic [n-word]”? :-)

    qdpsteve (dc65ab)

  137. I’d like to explain my position further to be sure there is no misunderstanding.

    Try this.

    I leave $500 laying on my dashboard when filling up my gas tank.

    When I come back after going inside to pay the money has been stolen.

    Did my carelessness make it OK to steal the money?

    No.

    Am I to blame because someone stole my money?

    No.

    Was I careless and should have used better judgment?

    Yes.

    I hope everyone understands.

    jharp (f4bed7)

  138. I hope everyone understands.

    harpy – Was your car locked and password protected?

    I hope everyone understands.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  139. Bradley

    Thank you for the correct term.

    I had done a great deal of [independent] studying about anarcho-syndicalism several years ago and for some reason the label just wasn’t coming to me this evening.

    Darleen (187edc)

  140. I hope everyone understands.
    — I think Reverend Wright understands. He said your analogy is like comparing apples to rocks.

    Icy Truth (fbc22c)

  141. anarcho-syndicalism

    In an earlier time, these people would have been dealt with like the “Cowboy’s” of the AZ Terr:
    Wanted – Dead or Alive!
    And nobody would miss them.

    Another Drew (8a6fd1)

  142. I hope everyone understands.

    harpy – Was your car locked and password protected?

    I hope everyone understands.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 9/17/2008 @ 11:06 pm

    Yeah, wiseguy.

    They smashed my windshield out with a rock.

    jharp (f4bed7)

  143. qpdsteve,
    You guessed it!

    For an example of an anarcho-capitalist, see David Friedman. Yes, Milton’s son.

    Bradley J. Fikes (0ea407)

  144. Good

    Icy Truth (4935fe)

  145. These guys aren’t anarcho- anything, they’re just not that organized. They’re just your run-of-the-mill, straight ahead, loser anarchists – which if anything are probably closest to extreme libertarians. That is if they ever even think about anything other than getting themselves off (which they likely don’t). See Clockwork Orange for a personality profile, or your own teenage kids to judge their deep thought and dedication to the ’cause’.

    I’d call them Nihilists and then tell Donny to stfu, but no one here seems to get my references to The Big Lebowski.

    Bob Loblaw (6d485c)

  146. “And I say “most” because How the hell do you know if Yahoo’s email server is “easily hackable”? The mere fact that it happened at all means it was easy to do? Where is your proof of this?”

    Its ‘more easily hackable’ because it has a password reset feature based on biographical details, which are likely to be found for someone whose biography is so public. I doubt her .gov email or other accounts like that have such a feature.

    In part, this is why people thought it was silly that there was business being done with a yahoo account, because they are insecure.

    imdw (0b3979)

  147. #147
    What a lot of people don’t realize is that this kind of hack is one of the more low tech, amateurish types of exploits. If people really understood how much of their personal info has been compromised at airport and hotel wireless spots it would create a much bigger uproar.
    Either use a passphrase or some combination of special characters, numbers, caps and lowercase. Say for example you have an Aunt Ester Smith born on 18 Sep 25. ES@!925ma (Ester Smith at 1925 my aunt) is a password hard to crack and easy to remember.

    voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

  148. “This is hands down the dirtiest campaign we’ve witnessed in about the last 50 years. LBJ could take tips on sleaze from BHO.”

    Since LBJ we have had one campaign that actually had people trying to wiretap and bug the opposing party offices. I’d say that was pretty dirty.

    imdw (23c2b4)

  149. this is why people thought it was silly that there was business being done with a yahoo account

    But there wasn’t business being done with a yahoo account. In fact, the information was only personal.

    But it was copied and printed anyway.

    I would certainly hope that if someone were to, say, bug Obama’s campaign ‘war room’ or infiltrate the emails or phones of one of his advisers, the ‘security experts’ that are fine with Palin’s personal email being hacked wouldn’t object.

    After all, it seems that the right to privacy is judged by the ability to violate it.

    Someone’s always able to bypass any level of security – the Vegas Black Hat session proves that each year.

    Oh, and all those people who get their identity stolen each year apparently deserve it.

    Democrats – sticking up for the little guy.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  150. Is amoral or immoral more accurate?

    JD (41e64f)

  151. IMO, JD, immoral hides behind amoral.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  152. Actually, the AP reports there were drafts of official documents and information on budget items, WHICH does not give any cover to the jerk who did this. Let’s hope the FBI/Secret Service finds him/them and prosecutes them. There is no excuse for this, but I find the ability of partisan windbags on comment pages to run with b.s. absolutely hysterical.

    Darleen, for instance, gets Goldstein (and others?) to post a completely unverifiable “confession” received by some blogger and touts it as if it is the greatest evidence of all time. She cannot prove, nor can the blogger prove, that the gent who wrote the mea cupla did anything, especially after the same jackass claimed he was too afraid of being caught to publish the emails himself (but willing to take credit on a blog? Very logical). Darleen and an associated group of righties like it because it confirms their suspicions, but Darleen’s been getting a little more paranoid everyday (they published Palin’s SSN! Obama personally hacked her account! etc).

    In case you guys and glas haven’t read about these people and how terrible they are and how smart they are, perhaps this serves as a reminder?

    Meanwhile, over at Cole’s site, there are a bunch of Lefties claiming this whole thing was Karl Rove’s idea to engender sympathy for Palin (right, because so many undecided voters will be aware of this kerfluffle) and get rid of the truly dastardly emails.

    I am surrounded on all sides by paranoid loons who VOTE. Honestly, the silliness of the extremists in this country wouldn’t bother me so much if they would just stop voting.

    NEWS FLASH: The vast majority of people on either political extreme of the Internet are not that different. As McCain said and so many of forget, we’re ALL Americans and that is more important than silly party labels.

    I understand that Darleen’s only reason to vote is because the MUP scares her so much and there are a ton of my friends who are scared of McCain, but there are serious issues we can make that decision on without fear and slander. It would nice, for once, if the intelligent people on either side of this election stopped to think a little about income distribution, energy policy, foreign policy, etc, instead of lipstick (am I allowed to say that?), “100 year wars”, who invented the blackberry, or who voted for Sex Ed.

    Both sides should read more Andrew Bacevich and stop accusing the other side of stuff which cannot be proved and, in the final analysis, just obscures real issues.

    timb (a83d56)

  153. I love how twatwaffles like timmah hold themselves out to be some kind of independent thinking moderates, when in the end, all they do is traffic in the same class warfare, envy, and redistributionist theories that the Left has pushed for years. Remember, timmah is above the fray, a thinker. A post-partisan. He knows shit.

    JD (41e64f)

  154. JD – Isn’t timmah having Prof. Caric’s baby?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  155. An oozing fistula on the rectum of humanity, timmah is.

    JD (41e64f)

  156. Shut up, timmah.

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  157. While “blaming someone” for sending pictures of their kids on (gasp) yahoo mail is really, really odd, I find this other line of reasoning just incomprehensible:

    #
    I was going to add that Gov. Palin could have avoided this by using a secure, government email account (which she should use – probably legally?), but I couldn’t stop laughing over the oxymoron.
    Comment by Bob Loblaw — 9/17/2008 @ 7:29 pm

    If Gov. Palin did what Bob suggests, the AP would have written “Palin clogs up state email server with personal emails, large attachments.”

    That’s why she has 2 Blackberries, people. Geez. Theft is theft.

    carlitos (8850b6)

  158. Comment by carlitos — 9/18/2008 @ 10:45 am

    But, But, these things are all relative, aren’t they?
    How dare you speak in absolutes.
    That is sooooo judgemental, Dude!
    (rolls eyes uncontrollably)

    Another Drew (c78d34)

  159. Carlitos,
    The yahoo account that was hacked appears to contain official govt. business emails, although it seems she uses a different yahoo account for most of her official government business!? (see)

    I know you can’t conduct political business from government email accounts, but actually I’m not sure what the status of private emails on government accounts is? Being a technological dinosaur, I have no idea how easy/hard it is to access secure, government email accounts from a blackberry.

    But agreed, theft is theft. I read that the guy who hosts the IP masker the thief used keeps IP logs and the screen shots show an identifiable marker. In the supposed thief’s confession he said he only used one IP mask, so I suspect he will be caught before long.

    p.s. the reason you found it incomprehensible was because it was a joke (a weak one admittedly)

    Bob Loblaw (6d485c)

  160. As Patterico commented, I too have used my personal account for business for several reasons – attachment wouldn’t go through, work server is down, even convenience. I have also used SMS text. I really don’t see a big deal.

    carlitos (8850b6)

  161. I really don’t see a big deal.

    carlitos…
    Elucidation please.
    What isn’t the big deal:
    That she used her private acct for some official business; or,
    That her acct was hacked?

    Another Drew (c78d34)

  162. You know what’s actually terrible?

    Anything and anyone from the cesspool that is Protein Wisdom. A nest of old, bitter men in who sell gnomes and worship a psychopath. If any one of them , besides Karl, could bring an argument, the world would freaking end the next day.

    By the way, JD, you look stupid when you golf…sunglasses on the forehead? How rock solid stupid are you?

    timb (8f04c0)

  163. Patterico,

    I’m not insulting you when I point out that you’re a complete hack.

    Josh (28c35c)

  164. #
    carlitos…
    Elucidation please.
    What isn’t the big deal:
    That she used her private acct for some official business; or

    that she used the personal account for business. I know that gov’t is different, but I have done the same, as has this site’s host. At some point, you are trying to get work done, most likely on your own personal time, and you use your personal email for whatever reason. No big deal.

    Josh, you are an idiot.

    carlitos (8850b6)

  165. I see Hackerico has taught you well.

    Josh (28c35c)

  166. Hey genius, please post evidence and links for the “complete hack” assertion.

    carlitos (8850b6)

  167. “Patterico,

    I’m not insulting you when I point out that you’re a complete hack.”

    No style points for that one Josh. Seriously weak.

    daleyrocks (faf71b)

  168. Josh –

    I’m not insulting you when I point out that you’re a complete hack.

    — Everything old is new again.
    Raymond: Don’t feel that way.
    Debra: Don’t tell me how to feel!

    Yeah, how could anyone possibly be insulted by being called “a complete hack”?

    Icy Truth (ef009a)


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