Early Quote of the Day
[Guest post by DRJ]
From a former Clinton supporter who now supports McCain:
“Lynn Forester de Rothschild has said she thinks Democratic nominee Barack Obama is arrogant and has a problem connecting with average Americans.”
De Rothschild is described as a member of the DNC’s Democrats Abroad chapter who “built a multimillion-dollar telecommunications company before marrying international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild” and now “splits her time living in London and New York.”
Obama has a problem when the de Rothschilds think he’s out of touch.
UPDATE: Here’s background on de Rothschild’s attitudes toward Obama and his Presidential aspirations.
– DRJ
This is soooooooooooooooo racist. I feel dirty.
Comment by JD — 9/17/2008 @ 9:05 am
I hate to say it, but sometimes “arrogant” — no matter how well-earned the description may be — is a barely disguised racist codeword.
But, like I said, a blind person listening to one of his speeches would label him “arrogant”. Anyone hearing “We are the ones we have been waiting for,” would naturally have that reaction.
Comment by Icy Truth — 9/17/2008 @ 9:06 am
Icy – Did you know that his nomination made the oceans stop rising? It is true. I swear. Baracky told us so.
Comment by JD — 9/17/2008 @ 9:08 am
Arugula in every pot!
Comment by daleyrocks — 9/17/2008 @ 9:11 am
I think the paraphrase of Lady Forester de Rothschild’s statement was slightly off. Didn’t she actually say,
Comment by Ira — 9/17/2008 @ 9:14 am
This just in from The Messiah: “Ms. Rothschild is not the woman I thought I knew.” Under the bus with you, missy!
Comment by Dmac — 9/17/2008 @ 9:15 am
daley @ #4…
Don’t forget the Porsche-design bike in every garage (unless, of course, it is from BMW).
Comment by Another Drew — 9/17/2008 @ 9:17 am
I’ve added an update with a UK Times’ link where Mrs. de Rothschild explains her concerns about Barack Obama’s candidacy.
Comment by DRJ — 9/17/2008 @ 9:19 am
The source of de Rothschild’s support for McCain is obvious – people who marry into money flock together.
Comment by Josh — 9/17/2008 @ 10:02 am
Yes, Sir Evelyn and Lynn Forester de Rothschild are surely good “out-of-touch” barometers. I also hear that the Right Honorable Duke Charles Windsor von de Wilhelm III, esq., is weighing in on the subject.
Comment by Russell — 9/17/2008 @ 10:05 am
True, Russell. Obama better be careful lest the Viscounts turn on him.
Comment by Josh — 9/17/2008 @ 10:14 am
“Rothschild is described as a member of the DNC’s Democrats Abroad…”
That’s de Rothschild to peons like you and me.
[You're right. Thank you and I'll fix it. Everyone should be referred to by his/her proper name. -- DRJ]
Comment by Kevin — 9/17/2008 @ 10:16 am
Provided they’re literate enough, you can imagine what Rev. Wright and his faithful will make of a [de] Rothschild betraying the Messiah! (Rothschild . . . international bankers . . . you know what I mean.)
Comment by Bilwick — 9/17/2008 @ 10:28 am
Ahhh……. the scent of victory is in the air for Obama.
Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a non American,
resident of England, who apparently was so in love with the Clintons that she is willing to vote McCain and not donate….what… $100,000 to Obama?
This is your way of saying “look here….. Obama has lost support”?
If your reduced to this form of finger pointing….yup, the tide is turning again……. for Obama.
Comment by Oiram — 9/17/2008 @ 10:35 am
Josh -
The source of de Rothschild’s support for McCain is obvious – people who marry into money flock together.
– Which explains why she initially supported Hillary . . . NOT. Also, she was wealthy before she married someone with money. Do try to read all 80 or so words of the post before responding next time.
Comment by Icy Truth — 9/17/2008 @ 10:41 am
I always view it as a positive when one’s supporters publically support the opponent, Mario.
Comment by JD — 9/17/2008 @ 10:45 am
Oiram, you ignorant sl__. Lynn Forester de Rothschild is an American.
Comment by Icy Truth — 9/17/2008 @ 10:46 am
See, the reason the Obama crowd doesn’t care is because she isn’t from Germany or France…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 9/17/2008 @ 10:47 am
Icy…
Thanks for pointing that out,
and the fact that Lynn Forester is an American, too.
Comment by Another Drew — 9/17/2008 @ 10:48 am
LOL, Drew!
[Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that your comment sailed over his noggin'?]
Comment by Icy Truth — 9/17/2008 @ 10:55 am
Icy – In your experience, has Josh ever grasped a topic?
Comment by JD — 9/17/2008 @ 10:56 am
This de Rothschild woman his obviously been possessed by the same daemons who usurped Sarah Palin’s soul. Both should bake some cookies and get back to standin’ by some man, say one who is running for high office on the Democrat Party ticket. That will cure the problem, and make the world safe for polyesters.
Comment by Ropelight — 9/17/2008 @ 10:56 am
Well, whoop dee doo. I want to know what my local philanthropist, the highly esteemed battle axe Countess Henrietta de Hoernle thinks about Obambi. Since this moonbat central and Bobby Wexler is a god here, I expect Obama is deified.
Comment by madmax333 — 9/17/2008 @ 10:59 am
Icy – In your experience, has Josh ever grasped a topic?
– Does putting his gland in his hand count as ‘grasping a topic’?
[Today's topic: mi pequeño pene.]
Comment by Icy Truth — 9/17/2008 @ 11:08 am
So I guess the $85 Billion taxpayer bailout of AIG and the Dow losing another 350 points isn’t as newsworthy as an ex Hilliary supporter now supporting McCain.
And for the record Obama seems to be having a fine week. The truth is starting to show. And the truth ain’t kind to McCain/Palin.
Comment by jharp — 9/17/2008 @ 11:11 am
Hussein is losing is base faster than you can say “sexist liberal”
Comment by HusseinWillFail — 9/17/2008 @ 11:14 am
Icy – You are killin’ me.
Comment by JD — 9/17/2008 @ 11:14 am
It’s always amusing to hear a person suggest that a blog should only reflect her or her interests….and then try to hijack the thread anyway.
Wonder why this person doesn’t have his own blog?
And you seem to like it when the polls say good things about Senator Obama. I hope you don’t reject those polls when they disagree with your preferences.
But at least you aren’t being crude and vulgar in this post, which is progress.
Comment by Eric Blair — 9/17/2008 @ 11:14 am
Isn’t the bailout of AIG actually a loan?
harpy – What “truth” is starting to show?
Comment by JD — 9/17/2008 @ 11:16 am
Icy, have you ever done stand up comedy? You are swift and merciless, and always make me laugh. There really should be an official “Icy Truth Keyboard Guard” to protect against beverage spillage due to sudden laughter from reading your posts.
After a morning of teaching my sleepwalking freshmen, this was just the pick me up I needed.
Comment by Eric Blair — 9/17/2008 @ 11:17 am
“harpy – What “truth” is starting to show?”
The failed republican economic policies of the past 8 years.
And the thing about McCain being a dirty rotten stinking liar. Even Fox news has mentioned it.
Comment by jharp — 9/17/2008 @ 11:24 am
#17 Jane…… err, I mean Icy.
It’s so funny, Lynn Forester de Rothschild who spends half her time in London and New York, would be a prime candidate for an Un American in your book…… prior to her backing McCain that is.
I do respect the SNL reference in your comment. Loved that bit.
Comment by Oiram — 9/17/2008 @ 11:27 am
There goes that “liar” line again. It works so well, don’t you all think?
Sort of like never hearing Wright preach hatred, not knowing Ayres, writing legislation that he didn’t, and so on? There is a long list of “pretend stories” courtesy of Senator Obama. And I haven’t even started on Senator Biden.
Oh, but that isn’t lying. That is nuance.
Puh-leeze.
Comment by Eric Blair — 9/17/2008 @ 11:41 am
Oiram – It’s so funny, Lynn Forester de Rothschild who spends half her time in London and New York, would be a prime candidate for an Un American in your book
Or prime candidate for being a good spouse, since the man she married has his little family business based in England. The Rothschilds – small, recently formed mom and pop shop. Are they web only, or brick and mortar?
At least you’re not arguing that she’s a damn ferriner.
Comment by Apogee — 9/17/2008 @ 11:42 am
Latest from fivethirtyeight.com (that noted right-wing site):
Comment by steve miller — 9/17/2008 @ 11:44 am
I’m not happy about the bailout/loan to AIG and blame Spitzer for much of it. The Rothschild story is small beer but the fact that Clinton supporters are jumping ship makes it newsworthy. I thought it pretty funny that Hillary refused to attend a pro-Israel rally in New York today because Palin was also going to be there. Maybe she was afraid she’d do a Lot’s wife if she saw Palin.
Comment by Mike K — 9/17/2008 @ 11:58 am
Sort of like never hearing Wright preach hatred, not knowing Ayres, writing legislation that he didn’t, and so on? There is a long list of “pretend stories” courtesy of Senator Obama. And I haven’t even started on Senator Biden.
Oh, but that isn’t lying. That is nuance.
Comment by Eric Blair — 9/17/2008 @ 11:41 am
Waaaa, waaa, waaa, but Mommy he did it to.
You guys are killing me.
Comment by jharp — 9/17/2008 @ 12:02 pm
“blame Spitzer for much of it”
You’re joking, right.
Spitzer made them bail out AIG?
Too funny.
Comment by jharp — 9/17/2008 @ 12:03 pm
No, dim-one…
Spitzer forced out an effective, forceful CEO, who had the company humming, and not taking unneccessary risks.
Since he left, the place has become a shambles, and moved into the sub-prime market to make up for deficiencies elsewhere.
And, Spitzer never got a conviction of either the company or CEO.
Plus, this is a “bailout” in the manner of Chrysler, 30-years ago. A “bailout” that generated a nice profit for the American Taxpayer due to the conversion of the loan guarantees into stock-warrants. If AIG survives, and prospers, the taxpayer will win again.
Comment by Another Drew — 9/17/2008 @ 12:12 pm
Read both of these links, and also this.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 9/17/2008 @ 12:13 pm
Sure, Icy, but she didn’t hit it really big until she married in. You can’t throw the fanciest parties in London when you’re just a petty millionaire, you know.
Comment by Josh — 9/17/2008 @ 12:20 pm
The idiocy runs rampant today … good Allah.
Comment by JD — 9/17/2008 @ 12:23 pm
So Spitzer forced out Greenberg, huh.
I had no idea Spitzer had the power to make employment decisions for AIG.
It is you who is the dim one.
Get real. Charging someone criminally is not forcing them out of a job.
Kind of sweet that Spitzer was on to AIG’s shenanigans so long ago. Too bad he did his thinking with his little head as we lost a good one ou of it.
Comment by jharp — 9/17/2008 @ 12:30 pm
FYI…Spitzer forced a lot of personnel changes on Wall Street strictly through the threat of litigation – litigation that he either never brought; or when he did, it resulted in acquittals.
That’s how he made his vaunted reputation that carried him to Albany.
Comment by Another Drew — 9/17/2008 @ 12:37 pm
#44 “Spitzer forced a lot of personnel changes on Wall Street strictly through the threat of litigation”
Say…… Another Drew……. can you be anymore vague in your defense?
Comment by Oiram — 9/17/2008 @ 12:40 pm
Another Drew,
“A “bailout” that generated a nice profit for the American Taxpayer due to the conversion of the loan guarantees into stock-warrants. If AIG survives, and prospers, the taxpayer will win again.”
I get it now. The bailout is OK because the government stands to make a profit on it.
You’re joking, right?
Interesting take from a GOPer. Maybe the government should just take over the entire insurance industry. After all, they might be able to make a profit.
Comment by jharp — 9/17/2008 @ 12:41 pm
The idiocy runs wide, and deep, with this one.
That you consider Spitzer one of the good ones is not the least bit surprising.
Comment by JD — 9/17/2008 @ 12:41 pm
“or when he did, it resulted in acquittals.”
O.J. was acquitted.
Comment by jharp — 9/17/2008 @ 12:42 pm
Eric Blair —
Negative on the stand-up. [I've been playing guitar for 25 years and consider myself to be very good at it. So, if I won't even go onstage to do that. . . .] My comedy isn’t so much observational as it’s reactive. Without a straight man (such as a clueless lib) setting me up with one of their inane opinions or factual distortions, I tend to have nothing to work with. Thank you for your appreciation of what I do, however. And with that, I would like to shamelessly promote the only working comedian I know personally: Aaron Gnirk http://www.bigdumbfunshow.com/modules/tinyd0/index.php?id=16 He has traveled the country doing stand-up in the same clubs as the big names, and has many stories of life on the road — including his encounters with said “big names” — stories which I will not repeat here.
Comment by Icy Truth — 9/17/2008 @ 12:46 pm
Guilty until proven innocent in jharphy’s bizarro world. Up is down. Black is white. But jharpy is still as dense as lead.
Comment by JD — 9/17/2008 @ 12:47 pm
“Guilty until proven innocent in jharphy’s bizarro world.”
What in the hell are talking about?
Just make stuff up when you’ve got nothing, I guess.
Comment by jharp — 9/17/2008 @ 12:51 pm
FWIW…
Lynn Forester was just interviewed by Michael Medved on his nationally, syndicated radio show.
She is not impressed with The One!
Comment by Another Drew — 9/17/2008 @ 12:53 pm
jharp…
From my remote location re Wall Street, all I know about the machinations there is what I read in the WSJ.
I’m quite positive that if you tried, and paid the archive fee, you could get all of the background info on the career of Elliot Spitzer, and what a schmuck he is.
And OJ is one-for-two, going on one-for-three, and a nice trip to some friendly NV resort.
Comment by Another Drew — 9/17/2008 @ 12:59 pm
You know, jharp, when you try for derision:
It works a bit better when you spell your ripostes properly and use punctuation once in a while.
My point is that you are partisan hypocrite. And everyone knows it. Personally, I still think you are an undergrad posting from your parent’s cellar, based on when you post, your faux-tough guy bravado, and your unusual grammatical style.
But it doesn’t matter. You can sell Elton John knock off glasses from China for the last twenty five years in between rounds of golf while phoning your broker and raising polite children (that last bit is the most unbelievable part of your boasts, actually).
You are still a partisan hypocrite, and a bit of a prat, as the saying goes.
You have a nice day on the links, or working at Kinkos, whichever it is.
Comment by Eric Blair — 9/17/2008 @ 1:08 pm
Thanks, Icy. I’ll check out the link.
Comment by Eric Blair — 9/17/2008 @ 1:10 pm
but what is good for the Rothchildren (sic) our most important French (immigrant) investment banking family. Who care what this married to the mob witch thinks?
Comment by David Brown — 9/17/2008 @ 2:05 pm
On the subject of quotes coming from former supporters of candidates, you might as well enjoy this personal essay by the former publisher of National Review, now editor of Dallas Magazine.
Comment by Larry Reilly — 9/17/2008 @ 2:11 pm
Oiram — 9/17/2008 @ 11:27 am:
I absolutely agree (although I would describe her as an unusual American, not un-American) and that’s what makes this so ironic. If Obama has lost some of these folks, imagine who else he’s lost.
Comment by DRJ — 9/17/2008 @ 2:17 pm
I agree with Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, up is definitely the new down, black the new white, and Obama is an elitist!
Still score one for your side I guess; if Obama can’t hold on to the titled Americans, what’s left?
Comment by Bob Loblaw — 9/17/2008 @ 2:22 pm
I think “David Brown” is another Astroturf program that’s blown it’s fuse – check out the grammar and spelling; only a computer program could be that incoherent (right?).
“…the scent of victory is in the air for Obama.”
Oh, great – so now we now that OompaLoompa likes the smell of his own farts; more personal info. that I didn’t care to know. Thanks a bunch!
Comment by Dmac — 9/17/2008 @ 2:25 pm
Apparently some but not all links disappear from postings.
[Can you be more specific? I didn't find any of your comments in the filter. -- DRJ]
Comment by Larry Reilly — 9/17/2008 @ 2:38 pm
Perhaps it’s Obama’s tax plan to which she objects (NY Post)? That is if she even pays US taxes….
Comment by Bob Loblaw — 9/17/2008 @ 2:50 pm
Bob – Do you mean she could be part of the big lie about the 95% of Americans Obama claims are getting tax reductions but really aren’t because they already pay no federal taxes or because she’s a ferriner?
Comment by daleyrocks — 9/17/2008 @ 2:55 pm
daleyrocks,
Yes I presume she makes more than $250,000/annum in income and likely more than that in taxable capital gains, and therefore would have to pay more in federal income taxes under Obama’s tax proposal rather than seeing a saving like most of us making well under $250,000 in both catagories who will see a sizable tax break (unlike McCain’s proposal which would give her a huge tax benefit). However I really don’t know where she earns, keeps, hides etc. her money – nor do I really care.
Comment by Bob Loblaw — 9/17/2008 @ 3:13 pm
Bob – Now you know that not what I was talking about. How do you know she’s not part of the 95% group that Obama is lying about getting tax reductions? You don’t, do you?
Are you always this dishonest? I think you are, but I usually only see you around this blog.
Comment by daleyrocks — 9/17/2008 @ 3:41 pm
She’s partly wrong.
Yeah Obama likes to hang with the elitists all about the left, he’s arrogant about his place and time.
But what turns most people off is condescension.
Comment by SteveG — 9/17/2008 @ 4:27 pm
^ What turns me off is his corruption.
Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 9/17/2008 @ 4:40 pm
Oh I see daleyrocks, you’re quibbling over whether Obama’s tax plan will provide breaks to “95% of working families” or only 81.3% of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in.
Of course, when you actually look at both candidates proposals side by side (Tax Policy Center PDF) you can see where the net tax benefits (as well as actual fiscal responsibility) accrue.
And yes it may be dishonest of me to presume that Lady de Rothschild belongs in the top income brackets without actually checking, so go ahead and prove me wrong….Otherwise I’ll await your retraction with bated breath…
p.s. I do frequent other blogs, but generally ones that conduct themselves with civil, honest dialogue, so I don’t expect we’ll cross paths on any. (nevermind my now cancelled gig on Arrested Development & my Law Blog)
Comment by Bob Loblaw — 9/17/2008 @ 4:40 pm
Hey, y’all figured out yet where you’ll stash Tony Rezko at the end of October?? Or will you let the news media carry it and bury it, like the Iraq effort to stall troops for O’s benefit? What a pathetic duplicitous scum.
Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 9/17/2008 @ 4:44 pm
Encore une fois. I would love to see something with this heft actually discussed here, this piece by Wick Allison, editor of D (as in Dallas) magazine. He donated the max to McCain in the primaries but has had a change of heart and mind.
I mean discussed, not thumbs up or down with name calling, but, as Mr. Patterico apparently saw recently with Jan Crawford Greenberg’s ABC blog post on Palin, a thoughtful read. Hard task, that.
Lookit this now from the former publisher of National Review, who was lured there by Buckley himself in 1984, the GREAT REAGAN YEARS.
Shoot it down if you will but, please, use more than a cap gun.
Excerpt:
Conservatism to me is less a political philosophy than a stance, a recognition of the fallibility of man and of man’s institutions. Conservatives respect the past not for its antiquity but because it represents, as G.K. Chesterton said, the democracy of the dead; it gives the benefit of the doubt to customs and laws tried and tested in the crucible of time. Conservatives are skeptical of abstract theories and utopian schemes, doubtful that government is wiser than its citizens, and always ready to test any political program against actual results.
Liberalism always seemed to me to be a system of “oughts.” We ought to do this or that because it’s the right thing to do, regardless of whether it works or not. It is a doctrine based on intentions, not results, on feeling good rather than doing good.
But today it is so-called conservatives who are cemented to political programs when they clearly don’t work. The Bush tax cuts—a solution for which there was no real problem and which he refused to end even when the nation went to war—led to huge deficit spending and a $3 trillion growth in the federal debt. Facing this, John McCain pumps his “conservative” credentials by proposing even bigger tax cuts. Meanwhile, a movement that once fought for limited government has presided over the greatest growth of government in our history. That is not conservatism; it is profligacy using conservatism as a mask.
Today it is conservatives, not liberals, who talk with alarming bellicosity about making the world “safe for democracy.” It is John McCain who says America’s job is to “defeat evil,” a theological expansion of the nation’s mission that would make George Washington cough out his wooden teeth.
Comment by Larry Reilly — 9/17/2008 @ 5:05 pm
From NR to D Mag? That’s one way to get your name in the news. : )
Seriously, these proclamations and deflections are going to happen. But the Hillary diehards do have a special scenario… you must admit.
Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 9/17/2008 @ 6:25 pm
FWIW also, she had been on the Democratic Platform Committee as well, and she quoted…Ronald Reagan, “I did not leave the Democratic Party, it left me.”
Comment by MD in Philly — 9/17/2008 @ 7:04 pm