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		<title>By: Megan Young</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/09/12/obama-campaign-starts-over/comment-page-4/#comment-395953</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Words fail me. Almost.

First, we have Joe Biden encouraging a handicapped, wheelchair bound Chuck Graham to stand up for a crowd.

Then we have Obama&#039;s Law Review Article, the only one he wrote, on the topic of abortion, where he says the state has an interest in &quot; preventing increasing numbers of children from being born in to lives of pain and despair.&quot; Got that? If you are pregnant with a child with a possible birth defect, the state has an interest in you aborting it. So much for Trig Palin.

And now we have the latest ad from the Obama/Biden camp making fun of John McCain for not being able to use a computer or send email. Obama/Biden poke fun at McCain, suggesting he is old and doesn&#039;t get the new technology.

One small problem.

John McCain&#039;s hands were so severly crushed by his torture as a POW, he can&#039;t use a keyboard. It is physically impossible for him. John McCain cannot brush his own hair or tie his own shoes. He is a brilliant man, but he cannot lift one of his arms higher than his elbow. Prior to being tortured and having his bones broken over and over, John McCain could fly jets. So let&#039;s not pretend McCain is some doddering buffoon who doesn&#039;t understand technology.

John McCain is handicapped.

Obama and Biden are asses.

Furthermore, I stumble a clash videos awhile ago, the US Presidential candidates have talked taxes. The said clash videos is being featured in http://clashorama.com/index.php?id=194</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Words fail me. Almost.</p>
<p>First, we have Joe Biden encouraging a handicapped, wheelchair bound Chuck Graham to stand up for a crowd.</p>
<p>Then we have Obama&#8217;s Law Review Article, the only one he wrote, on the topic of abortion, where he says the state has an interest in &#8221; preventing increasing numbers of children from being born in to lives of pain and despair.&#8221; Got that? If you are pregnant with a child with a possible birth defect, the state has an interest in you aborting it. So much for Trig Palin.</p>
<p>And now we have the latest ad from the Obama/Biden camp making fun of John McCain for not being able to use a computer or send email. Obama/Biden poke fun at McCain, suggesting he is old and doesn&#8217;t get the new technology.</p>
<p>One small problem.</p>
<p>John McCain&#8217;s hands were so severly crushed by his torture as a POW, he can&#8217;t use a keyboard. It is physically impossible for him. John McCain cannot brush his own hair or tie his own shoes. He is a brilliant man, but he cannot lift one of his arms higher than his elbow. Prior to being tortured and having his bones broken over and over, John McCain could fly jets. So let&#8217;s not pretend McCain is some doddering buffoon who doesn&#8217;t understand technology.</p>
<p>John McCain is handicapped.</p>
<p>Obama and Biden are asses.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I stumble a clash videos awhile ago, the US Presidential candidates have talked taxes. The said clash videos is being featured in <a href="http://clashorama.com/index.php?id=194" rel="nofollow">http://clashorama.com/index.php?id=194</a></p>
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		<title>By: WillNotBeFooledByObamaNATION</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/09/12/obama-campaign-starts-over/comment-page-4/#comment-391315</link>
		<dc:creator>WillNotBeFooledByObamaNATION</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I wanted to draw your attention to this important petition that I recently signed:

&quot;Impeach Senator Barack Obama&quot;
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/obamaimpeachment?e

I really think this is an important cause, and I&#039;d like to encourage you to add your signature, too. It&#039;s free and takes less than a minute of your time.

Thanks!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/obamaimpeachment?e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I wanted to draw your attention to this important petition that I recently signed:</p>
<p>&#8220;Impeach Senator Barack Obama&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/obamaimpeachment?e" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/obamaimpeachment?e</a></p>
<p>I really think this is an important cause, and I&#8217;d like to encourage you to add your signature, too. It&#8217;s free and takes less than a minute of your time.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/obamaimpeachment?e" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/obamaimpeachment?e</a></p>
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		<title>By: SPQR</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/09/12/obama-campaign-starts-over/comment-page-4/#comment-391006</link>
		<dc:creator>SPQR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xrlq, there have been so many opportunities for that, and yet JAR ignored them all, no matter how much his backside stung from the spanking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xrlq, there have been so many opportunities for that, and yet JAR ignored them all, no matter how much his backside stung from the spanking.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/09/12/obama-campaign-starts-over/comment-page-4/#comment-391003</link>
		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Medicare&#039;s Stark rule has been interpreted very broadly and health care providers &lt;b&gt;must&lt;/b&gt; bill whenever there is health insurance of any kind.  In order to protect themselves from a charge of &quot;buying&quot; patients.

It has not, however, been interpreted to apply to self-pays.  (Yet.)  Health care providers can charge or &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; charge people without health insurance as they please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medicare&#8217;s Stark rule has been interpreted very broadly and health care providers <b>must</b> bill whenever there is health insurance of any kind.  In order to protect themselves from a charge of &#8220;buying&#8221; patients.</p>
<p>It has not, however, been interpreted to apply to self-pays.  (Yet.)  Health care providers can charge or <b>not</b> charge people without health insurance as they please.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/09/12/obama-campaign-starts-over/comment-page-4/#comment-390988</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duh hickey, Jar-Jar.  We all assume it wasn&#039;t always possible to bill the insurance company.  I didn&#039;t ask for documentation of that.  I asked for documentation of your assumption that they billed the individual when billing the insurer &lt;i&gt;wasn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; possible.  And of course you have none, so now would be a great time for you to man up and say &quot;I, Jar-Jar Binks, hereby admit to having been a complete and total dumbass.  I&#039;m sorry.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duh hickey, Jar-Jar.  We all assume it wasn&#8217;t always possible to bill the insurance company.  I didn&#8217;t ask for documentation of that.  I asked for documentation of your assumption that they billed the individual when billing the insurer <i>wasn&#8217;t</i> possible.  And of course you have none, so now would be a great time for you to man up and say &#8220;I, Jar-Jar Binks, hereby admit to having been a complete and total dumbass.  I&#8217;m sorry.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Icy Truth</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/09/12/obama-campaign-starts-over/comment-page-4/#comment-390933</link>
		<dc:creator>Icy Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it amazing how he quotes the question, and then gives a response that DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION &lt;b&gt;AT ALL?&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it amazing how he quotes the question, and then gives a response that DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION <b>AT ALL?</b></p>
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		<title>By: JAR</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/09/12/obama-campaign-starts-over/comment-page-4/#comment-390928</link>
		<dc:creator>JAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Please provide documentation of a single uninsured victim who was asked to pay for the kit.&quot;

&quot;In the past we’ve charged the cost of exams to the victims’ insurance company &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/52266.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;when possible&lt;/a&gt;,” Fannon told the newspaper.&quot;

I assume it wasn&#039;t always possible. But that was the policy. And the policy was obscene.
And it took a change is state law to end it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Please provide documentation of a single uninsured victim who was asked to pay for the kit.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;In the past we’ve charged the cost of exams to the victims’ insurance company <a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/52266.html" rel="nofollow">when possible</a>,” Fannon told the newspaper.&#8221;</p>
<p>I assume it wasn&#8217;t always possible. But that was the policy. And the policy was obscene.<br />
And it took a change is state law to end it.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/09/12/obama-campaign-starts-over/comment-page-4/#comment-390828</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JAR:
&lt;blockquote&gt;If the victim had insurance the insurance paid.
Otherwise the victim paid.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Please provide documentation of a single uninsured victim who was asked to pay for the kit.  Or admit that you are full of crap, which won&#039;t really cost you that much since everyone reading this thread already knows that.  Seeing you admit to as much would actually &lt;i&gt;increase&lt;/i&gt; most readers&#039; impressions of you, so have at it.

SteveG:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Billing insurance companies for services rendered to their clients covered under terms of their policy is obscene?&lt;/blockquote.

No one bills your insurance company for my medical bills, or vice-versa.  The only basis for billing the victim&#039;s insurance company is if you think that she should be liable herself.  I think billing the victim would be truly obscene.  Do you disagree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JAR:</p>
<blockquote><p>If the victim had insurance the insurance paid.<br />
Otherwise the victim paid.</p></blockquote>
<p>Please provide documentation of a single uninsured victim who was asked to pay for the kit.  Or admit that you are full of crap, which won&#8217;t really cost you that much since everyone reading this thread already knows that.  Seeing you admit to as much would actually <i>increase</i> most readers&#8217; impressions of you, so have at it.</p>
<p>SteveG:</p>
<blockquote><p>Billing insurance companies for services rendered to their clients covered under terms of their policy is obscene?</blockquote.</p>
<p>No one bills your insurance company for my medical bills, or vice-versa.  The only basis for billing the victim&#8217;s insurance company is if you think that she should be liable herself.  I think billing the victim would be truly obscene.  Do you disagree?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: SPQR</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/09/12/obama-campaign-starts-over/comment-page-4/#comment-390770</link>
		<dc:creator>SPQR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JAR is becoming famous for maintaining his belief regardless of how often the foundational facts for his belief turn out to be completely false.

There ought to be a word for someone who keeps an opinion even as the entire basis for it disappears ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JAR is becoming famous for maintaining his belief regardless of how often the foundational facts for his belief turn out to be completely false.</p>
<p>There ought to be a word for someone who keeps an opinion even as the entire basis for it disappears &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: reff</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/09/12/obama-campaign-starts-over/comment-page-4/#comment-390768</link>
		<dc:creator>reff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can it be a misstatement when the exact words are in the bill???

Either the Bill says what it says, or it does not....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can it be a misstatement when the exact words are in the bill???</p>
<p>Either the Bill says what it says, or it does not&#8230;.</p>
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