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9/12/2008

Jury Seated in OJ Simpson’s Las Vegas Trial

Filed under: Crime — DRJ @ 3:06 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

Three men, nine women.

The article also details two unsuccessful defense challenges under Batson to the prosecution’s use of peremptory challenges to exclude two black panel members.

— DRJ

86 Responses to “Jury Seated in OJ Simpson’s Las Vegas Trial”

  1. OJ better hope that the white female jurors aren’t 45-65 years of age or he’s dust in the Vegas wind

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  2. May OJ be legitimately guilty, and may this jury find him so, and may the judge impose the maximum sentence allowed by law. May all his appeals fail, and may all his income be found while he is in prison and go to the families of his victims….

    reff (4ab894)

  3. So I don’t know how it works in such high-profile cases like this. I take it potential jurors who’ve formed an opinion about O.J. Simpson have been dismissed. Does the remainder consist of morons?

    sierra (aa4594)

  4. Better to have morons than a group of people that will over-think everything.

    Icy Truth (0e4d32)

  5. DRJ, you may want to hyperlink Batson to a synopsis of that case. (I know what it is, but a lot of readers who don’t practice Con or Crim Law won’t.)

    Mitch (6dc2f1)

  6. Mitch – good idea.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  7. I hope that the Clark County DA does a better job of prosecuting O.J. that Gil Garcetti and the LA DA’s office did…

    fmfnavydoc (9c82ed)

  8. Personally I’m hoping for a not guilty just so the story will continue.

    Soronel Haetir (ce5eda)

  9. The story will continue either way. Decent people wouldn’t wish him to fall victim to prison rapes or Dahmer-executions, but I would. May his killer be obviously guilty, but get acquitted anyway by reason of the original jury’s insanity. And then let this obviously guilty killer rot in prison for the rest of his life on account of the original offense, as he’d be just as dangerous to the rest of us outside the prisons as he currently is to everyone inside.

    Xrlq (62cad4)

  10. I think they should have thrown the FBI, the local police/sherriff, and the “dealers” in prison, and then issued a public apology to OJ Simpson.
    It was clear to me he attempted normal channels of recourse, and they laughed in his face and told him to go suck an egg.
    So what we had, is not a rule of law where the authorities or the public as we see here, respects that rule of law, even in it’s former application of the prior jury verdict most cannot ever forget or allow the law to stand by, but a continued harrassment because of it.
    So the FBI, the police, and the associated authorities spit in his face when crimes against him occurred, and were reported.
    He therefore, did what any American SHOULD DO, he stood up for his rights when the those required by law, duty, and tax payments, decided they would not, and flatly told him so, grinding it in.
    Of course we all know that so many feel like response #2, and their feelings of course must be coddled and agreed to, and that’s where law stands nowadays, on a thin veneer of absolutist opinion, just like it did with the authorities when OJ tried to get his rights protected and justice served.
    I wil be satisfied when the thieving dealers and those OJ contacted prior, as I mentioned, are in prison, and OJ is apologized to, PUBLICLY.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  11. SiliconDoc, well that makes you and a handful of OJ’s thug friends.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  12. #10 – OJ tried to get his rights protected and justice served. . . He therefore, did what any American SHOULD DO, he stood up for his rights

    So you don’t see any connection between his behavior in 1994 and his behavior now? Your equation of OJ Simpson with a force for justice is a joke worthy of a Simpsons episode.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  13. The postman always rings twice.

    nk (d681ef)

  14. nk – Unfortunately, this postman is from 3 days of the Condor.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  15. Xrlq- let he who is without sin cast the first stone, eh? Have you no compassion for the Juice? The jury in the double homicide case said he not guilty. I recall even some non-blacks telling me the bitch deserved it for cheating on him or that Mark Fuhrman planted the evidence and besides, the gloves did not fit.

    I guess we’re both sick cookies because I’d be fine with the great OJ receiving some poetic justice outside the court system, which would only coddle him in any case. Let him be kidnapped, tortured and raped for a looonnnggg time and then have his throat slashed.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  16. SPQR ” SiliconDoc, well that makes you and a handful of OJ’s thug friends. ”
    I suppose it makes you friends then, with criminal thiefs who steal and sell personal property ( a “fence” they are called, huh), and police and FBI and other authorities that pick and choose when they tell someone in the public to go blow, based on their own personal vendettas – in other words, criminals as well. ________
    Perhaps if you could rise above your personal attacks and anger, and false accusation, a ridiculous one at that, you’d understand or address my point, but I can’t expect that much from you, can I ?
    I think you do in fact understand it, but have ignored it in favor of a juvenile attack. Now you’ve been properly attacked back, you’re a thug, friends with criminal fences and corrupt authorities, a “Saddam type”. LOL
    Does that work for you SPQR ?
    Now if you’d like to comment on my opinion of the authorities shirking their duty, that would be nice. I don’t expect it, expect your ignorant, juvenile attacks, instead.
    I suppose in a sense, you’ve already given your silent opinion on it, you’re with the thugs.
    LOL
    I can be as stupid as you.
    Oh well, a closed mind and a smart mouth is never worth replying to. Sorry I even paid attention to you.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  17. #12 ” So you don’t see any connection between his behavior in 1994 and his behavior now? Your equation of OJ Simpson with a force for justice is a joke worthy of a Simpsons episode.
    Comment by Apogee ”
    I pointed out the connection, you ignored it, SPQR became an instant smart aleck. You say ” He did this because he did the murders in 1994 “. That is what you’ve said, wether you deny it next is up to you. Otherwise, his conduct in 1994 is total submission lawfully to the system, and entirely NEGATES your point.
    So, my point is you are just a blinded as SPQR and the raging idiot authorities, who IGNORE the law, and do their own thing instead.
    Not hard to understand.
    In FACT, the law requires (even if often unenforced), that a predjudicial misapplication of it based upon a former acquittal, not be the rule, nor at any time an exception.
    You would say, perhaps, “then what about OJ’s actions in this instance!?”
    I’ve already ANSWERED that, you didn’t like my opinion. I still have it and will.
    I expect a HIGHER conduct from the oficials in power, and from the public, than you claim OJ had, in 1994. I DON’T see it here.
    What I see is a raging crew, willing to take their own vengeance by whatever means possible, displayed in their twisted “opinions”.
    NO, not good enough. I understand it, and that’s the whole problem, I DO understand why, exactly why, and it is wrong.
    Perhaps you are an OJ, and have decided that your rage over past injuries (“OJ getting acquitted”) is reason enough for any misdeed now, to take him down. It surely seems so, you didn’t address my point (although you were perhaps a lot more reasonable in your question).
    Just come out and say it. BE A MAN. SPQR failed, he cowered and hid, and attacked instead. Be a man about it for cripes sake. – say it: ” I don’t give a ‘bleep!’ what wrong the authorities committed here, we got our man”.
    Ask yourself, if your possessions were stolen (let’s assume you’re not an acquitted murderer), the police and FBI and athorities knew and condoned it, the criminals had your stuff, you told the athorities, and they said oh- “yer a right wing nut go blow” (for instance).
    I guess you’d sit in your pajamies and let it go ? You’re going in to confront what you know for a fact to be criminal fences, they obviously do not give a dang about the law, they knowingly pawn off your stolen property, and probably snicker about it, and they are likely armed. I suspect you’d stay home and wet your drawers and cry ?
    I don’t know, maybe you’d go get your stuff. Maybe you wouldn’t.
    I said I’m not blaming you if you do, I’m blaming the authorities who openly shirked their duty. In this case, your belongings, stolen, police,FBI,Sherriff, refuse service and laugh in your face. You go get them yourself.
    Good, give you their paychecks (for a couple weeks), fire them, put them in jail, put the fences in jail.
    Now, if you’re a former murderer and you got off scott free, that’s supposed to change it all for me ?
    In that case, the fences go scott free, the police and FBI and sherriff get off for shirking duty ( well those 3 you say did wonderful – they agree with you – attack and punish and refuse services and citizenship and rights for life – on any basis available)..
    I’m sorry, can’t agree with you. I say people have to be within the law, and if the law messes up, it shouldn’t be used as a blundgeon again and again… the CITIZEN HAS THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT to defend his rights, even when the athorities won’t.
    I know you hate OJ with all your heart, mind and soul, but that shouldn’t matter. I see whom it matters to, and of course you are the criminals, not I, and you are the people that should never be in power, not I. You are the people who can go along with corruption of the system based on your personal wishes not I.
    That’s how I see it. Sorry if you can’t stand it.
    Maybe whatever city OJ is ever in should just shutoff water and garbage service, and make up a city ordinance that he is banned in all public restaurants and public facilities unless summoned by the authorities. I know you guys would LOVE that.
    You have a fit over him golfing.
    You never had a fit over the cops drving away from the crime scene like drooling bloodhounds, and jumping OJ’s residence – breaking in – the later claiming ” uh.. err.. wee.. ahh. tout he might be killed too so we just hadda take a look “. LOL
    That’s what you people are. That’s it exactly.
    Whatever. I’m not surprised, that’s why I stay out of trouble, so many people “like you”.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  18. SiliconDoc,

    I pray you are right so the fucker can fry for something he is innocent of having escaped justice for what he was guilty of.

    That was the point of the book and movies “The Postman Always Rings Twice”, BTW, Apogee.

    nk (d681ef)

  19. ” I guess we’re both sick cookies because I’d be fine with the great OJ receiving some poetic justice outside the court system, which would only coddle him in any case. Let him be kidnapped, tortured and raped for a looonnnggg time and then have his throat slashed.

    Comment by madmax333 — 9/13/2008 @ 8:16 pm ”
    I think you ought to go deliver that peotic justice. Why not. You deserve to. You’re right. Go do it bubba. Then all of us SPQR’s here can defend you, in a court of law. LOL In the mean time, your glistening pure record will testify you did the right thing when the authorities did not (as in acquitting OJ), your jury of peers, or the pathetic prosecution, or the raging black public, or whatever target you choose.
    Go do the deed, you’re a man, you’ve had lots of years, get on with it killer.
    You sound to me like a deranged BDS liberal after Bush, tell us how you feel, big guy. Your emotions are important to us, how you feel is everything. Now you’re one of us, you know what’s up, for real. LOL
    Yes, PATHETIC, easily pathetic, but then, it’s important to fit in, huh, killer.
    You probably don’t realize it, but you’ve just justified what OJ did in this case, he got his stuff back. Oops. Golly, he’s the man who did what you only dream of(allusion intended). LOL That is ironic.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  20. #16 – I can be as stupid as you.

    — Don’t sell yourself short.

    Icy Truth (ab2f41)

  21. nk ” I pray you are right so the fucker can fry for something he is innocent of having escaped justice for what he was guilty of. ”
    Well at least you grew some half hairs on your chest, after I demanded some from commenters. Still doesn’t negate my initial point, only reinforces it. Makes it all the more correct. Thanks for agreeing at least about the innocent part. LOL
    You’ll get your false justice, likely, IMO.
    Then you can cheer and grate your teeth in victory.
    No comment on the criminal authorities though, stangely absent, other than you endorse them in omission, or tangentally admitting, your hoped for “conviction in innocence” upcoming.
    I’ve made my point well.
    What remains sad is you can’t get him on something legitimate. LOL
    That’s sad, isn’t it ?
    rofl

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  22. ” 16 – I can be as stupid as you.

    – Don’t sell yourself short.

    Comment by Icy Truth ”
    Oh that was so funny, you better post another insult like the idiot SPQR. Hurry mindless dolt.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  23. How about something simple for the raging goons of the thread.
    ” Authorities shouldn’t break the law for vengeance even if they want to, even if it gets me what I need for my emotional fix in a chatroom. ”
    Instead, we indeed have a roomful of OJ’s or OJ wannabes.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  24. Run SiliconDoc, run!

    Icy Truth (ab2f41)

  25. I’m not the running from the truth. LOL
    So sorry I cannot be as stupid as the rest of you, and yes, I do mean that, and yes, I am correct, and yes, probably all of you know it, and cannot stand it as well. You also are thoroughly bound, after years of your ragingly insane comments and chesty haired thug thumps about your wishes and dreams of vengance, to continue your insane folly.
    That’s ok, I find it 99% of the time on the left (to tell you the truth, and let you know who you are all acting like – and you all know what I mean), but it does come streaming forth from the right in identical fashion on rare occasions.
    Thanks for listening, and flailing. I appreciate those who allow the truth to be stated without instant bannings. ( I don’t appreciate the ankle biting, flagrantly ridiculous spam attackers – I wouldn’t mind if they offered a response first and were ignored or attacked, but just initial stupidity and juve rage is not to be admired ).
    That gives you the crown for the thread Icy Truth, SPQR a second place, and Apogee honorable mention for a sick attempt at communication.
    I see the rest of the thread has followed the required in this case (right wing) hatred and diatribe stupidity, duplicated by people like Mike Nifong, Nancy Grace, Ronnie Earle…

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  26. Are you the same person that posts as SJDoc at another blog site?

    Icy Truth (ab2f41)

  27. Doc….you’re wrong, and I hope that you never have someone in your world murdered, and have the murderer go free because of the stupidity of the system….

    Only then, like the people who have stayed for one hurricane too many, will you understand….

    It is not about vengance, or getting even…my post at the top is exactly what we feel….

    May OJ be legitimately guilty, and may this jury find him so, and may the judge impose the maximum sentence allowed by law. May all his appeals fail, and may all his income be found while he is in prison and go to the families of his victims….

    reff (4ab894)

  28. Hell, SiliconDoc,

    The Devil likes to play games with those who have given themselves to him. Don’t you know that?

    nk (d681ef)

  29. Icy Truth, do you have a comment on my initial statement in the thread, or will you continue to be a feckless loon atacker ?
    I made a long string of points, and interspersed a bit of attacking name calling like this site obviously endorses.
    I’d prefer not to get down to the total goon loser level you have exhibited.
    Let’s get back to my initial point. Is it ok with you if authorities break the law and commit crimes, based on their opinion of a past injustice in a settled case ? Is it ok if they attack a prior defendent / and or shirk their duty to uphold the law, if they “feel like it” -especially if it fits your particularly partisan political point of view ?
    Let’s go a step further in this case. Wouldn’t it make more sense to you, sure would to me, if the authorities instead went and snatched the stolen goods, then delivered their worth, through the courts, to the “victims family” ?
    Are the “fences” in jail yet ? Will they ever be ? I think we all know the answer to that.
    But the beanbrained hatred focuses on one thing, the target of hatred, the OJ, much like you, the mindless dolt, have honed in on a personal vendetta, and have decided that is yuor goal, the drooling, slobbering insulter, not anywhere on topic, not even once.
    I know I’m not here often, but I would say you need to take a flying leap, before you even got your idiot text face stuffed into this thread.
    Now, do you have somethnig to say on the case and my points, or are you dancing around the internet googling spellings close to my used typing name ? I suggest you use my specific spelling for attempts at “evidence”, OK, dimwit ? That should sufficiently have answered your question, moron, and I know you’ll find plenty.
    Now scurry off for your research, and ignore the points I’ve made uncontested here. Hurry little one, get about your business. LOL
    PATHETIC.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  30. Icy Truth wrote: Are you the same person that posts as SJDoc at another blog site?

    SiliconDoc wrote: Icy Truth, do you have a comment on my initial statement in the thread, or will you continue to be a feckless loon atacker ?
    I made a long string of points, and interspersed a bit of attacking name calling like this site obviously endorses.
    I’d prefer not to get down to the total goon loser level you have exhibited.
    Let’s get back to my initial point. Is it ok with you if authorities break the law and commit crimes, based on their opinion of a past injustice in a settled case ? Is it ok if they attack a prior defendent / and or shirk their duty to uphold the law, if they “feel like it” -especially if it fits your particularly partisan political point of view ?
    Let’s go a step further in this case. Wouldn’t it make more sense to you, sure would to me, if the authorities instead went and snatched the stolen goods, then delivered their worth, through the courts, to the “victims family” ?
    Are the “fences” in jail yet ? Will they ever be ? I think we all know the answer to that.
    But the beanbrained hatred focuses on one thing, the target of hatred, the OJ, much like you, the mindless dolt, have honed in on a personal vendetta, and have decided that is yuor goal, the drooling, slobbering insulter, not anywhere on topic, not even once.
    I know I’m not here often, but I would say you need to take a flying leap, before you even got your idiot text face stuffed into this thread.
    Now, do you have somethnig to say on the case and my points, or are you dancing around the internet googling spellings close to my used typing name ? I suggest you use my specific spelling for attempts at “evidence”, OK, dimwit ? That should sufficiently have answered your question, moron, and I know you’ll find plenty.
    Now scurry off for your research, and ignore the points I’ve made uncontested here. Hurry little one, get about your business. LOL
    PATHETIC.

    — So, is that a YES?

    Icy Truth (ab2f41)

  31. reff – ” my post at the top is exactly what we feel ”
    I’ve seen a lot of other feelings alot different and flagrantly more harsh then yours. Is it time now you help everyone else back off their loud mouths and hairy chests, and speak for the crowd ? Guess so, but it didn’t change what I’ve said, nor did you address my points.
    Like ‘ve stated, how you FEEL doesn’t matter one whit when it comes to rule of law, but you, want it to be everything. You’ve said so.
    ” have someone in your world murdered, and have the murderer go free because of the stupidity of the system….
    Only then will you understand….
    It is not about vengance, or getting even… ”
    LOL – Ok, at the very best, you have in YOUR mind a “call for true justice” – that NEGATES the systems answer, by your holy writ, and declares any next answer from the system, despite any crimes committed by that system to get to it, (not just mistakes in prior jury verdicts), to be your final judgement of justice, as long as it is as harsh as is possible and fits your JURIST DICTUM coupled from a prior case. LOL
    LOL – Yes, I’d never understand… NO I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY, AND THE FACT THAT YOU CONDONE YOUR STANCE IS WHAT BOTHERS ME.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  32. ” Hell, SiliconDoc,
    The Devil likes to play games with those who have given themselves to him. Don’t you know that?
    Comment by nk — 9/13/2008 ”
    Hello AGAIN, nk, and thanks for verifying my complaints on my points, again. I appreciate you aren’t slobberingly one sided enough to just issue name calling, but then again you aren’t willing to take your stance either, and prefer a veiled, well hidden, covered up, committal to crime by the system, the “devils due”. “Karma” as you would have it, the great preacher. LOL
    OK, to answer you directly, I well know it, and of course the devils are those supporting it, you and yours, and your criminal authorities, doing your bidding, anything goes for the quarry.
    You’ve got what you wanted, to hell with the law, you know the truth instead, the devil is on your side. LOL
    It’s funny, it really is.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  33. Icy Truth ” – So, is that a YES? ”
    That unfortunately, is NOT what I expected. At first, I knew you were just and ankle biting, idiot, insulting name calling troll in this thread at least, but now I’m convinced you’re the same, or worse, stupid as well.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  34. Enjoy your first stress-related heart attack.

    Icy Truth (ab2f41)

  35. Any more idiots want to chime in with some fun stupidity ?
    Who supports making sure the system puts the fencers of the stolen items in jail/prison ? Anyone ?
    I quite understand they are your heroes, so can you bite your own mickey mouse button in that case, or not ?
    One at least has declared OJ wealth should be found and go to the vicitm’s family, so does that include what the fencers had ? We’re they keeping justice from the vicitm’s family, as is that OK, because they had OJ’s stuff, and of course you upstanding justice thinkiers who understand everything are all for that…
    LOL
    Any takers ?

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  36. Doc, wrong again…I want everyone in the system to have the same goal…justice…

    But, we have an adversarial system….one in which one side, or the other, or both, play to win, rather than have the truth come out….

    Was Mark Fuhrman a racist? Who cares, as long as he legally did his job, which he did. But, Johnny Cochran played a card, and the truth, and justice, went out the window. Was Judge Ito corrupt? No, just stupid, and he should have banned TV from the court room, so he wouldn’t act like a fool, but, he wanted the publicity, so, he got an aquittal instead….

    I believe in the system, but, the system that was originally set up believed in justice, which meant the goal was the truth. Through time, and “liberal” interpretations of the law, the system has changed into one in which the truth is the last thing found, justice is ignored.

    And, I see one more problem: nowhere in any of my posts did you see what you wrote about me, so, my last problem is “your projecting your problems to me.” You’ve never seen me post about how I “feel” until this writing, so, you projected. My call for true justice does not negate the system; on the contrary, it returns to the system that existed before the criminal got more rights than the victim. Both should have exactly the same rights in court. The system is represented by a scale, and Lady Justice is blindfolded for a reason. The two sides of the scale, what do they represent??? The victim, and the criminal. Yet, in today’s world, the scale is not-NOT-balanced. Again, you projected to me that I want to negate the system. Finally, you say I have a “stance” and I seem to have posted that I wanted to see a guilty man found guilty and punished to the max. I then want his income to be found and given to the families, as the civil court has ruled.

    In other words, I want real justice in this case, and you seem to have a problem with that.

    Projection….grow up, doc….

    reff (4ab894)

  37. doc, have you bothered to tell us WHY the fencers are not being charged???

    Oh…yeah…the adversarial system pits one “victim” against another “victim” and the DA chooses sides….

    Again, that is wrong….I want everyone who breaks the law prosecuted, but, the system we now have says that the DA will decide which case to prosecute, and he picked this one….

    That’s the system you seem to be proud of having, and the rest of us want the one that would have found OJ guilty in the first place, and we would not be here….but, since he wasn’t, we now get the trial we didn’t get last time, and the DA has decided which one….as for OJ’s income…the family that should go to is the one that has a civil court ruling, and not the fencers….but I guess that is one law you don’t want followed…

    You’re an idiot….

    Wrong again, doc….

    reff (4ab894)

  38. I’m sorry for not being as explicit as you would like, SiliconDoc. I try not to be tiresome on this site. I followed O.J.’s murder trial very closely and came to the conclusion that he was guilty but the judge and the prosecutors made it impossible for the jury to declare him guilty.

    I don’t know that his predicament in this case is due to official malfeasance, as you claim. I am appreciating the irony, on your premise, that it is.

    Don’t give up, yet. He might dodge this one, too.

    nk (d681ef)

  39. reff ” Doc, wrong again…I want everyone in the system to have the same goal…justice… ”
    NO, here is what you want, your VERDICT, with the caveat, that is be done “legitimately”.
    ________________
    ” May OJ be legitimately guilty, and may this jury find him so, and may the judge impose the maximum sentence allowed by law. May all his appeals fail, and may all his income be found while he is in prison and go to the families of his victims….
    _______________________

    So what you have is your answer already. You’ve entirely ONCE AGAIN, excused the criminals I pointed out, and aparently always will, while you whine about real justice, which amounts to you getting your disired vengeance on OJ, since you don’t agree with the prior verdict. You explain why you don’t agree, and you condone and ignore the criminals getting you to where you want to go, including those thiefs with OJ’s goods. That’s ok with you, you’ll ignore it forever, and cry that you’re for real justice.
    No real justice in this rule of law system is ACCEPTING the verdicts you don’t like, under the rule of law, and not condoning further breaking of the law by authorities to make corrections to the system, outside of it, that you deem “fitting”.
    So you’ve got a big fat lie going. One I’ve heard a thousand times, and in many senses, although not in character and outcome you project, I agree with, and would approve of some LEGAL and LAWFUL changes to correct it.
    You don’t really want that route, you want what you want, and that is revenge for prior mistakes of the system, to be trounced upon the acquitted defendent, by any means, so long as you leave the idiotic catchword “legitimately” in your guilty and full force of the law and sentencing verdict
    as the outcome. LOL
    You’d NEVER endorse a “legitimate acquittal” in THIS case, you are absolutely OPPOSED TO IT.
    So don’t tell ME I’ve mischaracterized you.
    As the saying goes ” You’re out there! You’re letting it all hang out baby !”
    Parsing your afterward lies, doesn’t cut it. Legitimate acquittal isn’t in your dictionary.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  40. Calm down, SiliconDoc. You and I could walk down this thread together, if you’d like, and discuss whether someone who has gotten the benefit of ‘the system” all his life can complain when the system turns against him. And it goes way beyond O.J..

    nk (d681ef)

  41. nk ” I followed O.J.’s murder trial very closely and came to the conclusion that he was guilty but the judge and the prosecutors made it impossible for the jury to declare him guilty.”

    Gee nk, how could you ever IMAGINE I wasn’t fully aware of that after your first post ? Playing stupid or pretending you’re taling to an idiot won’t get you far, except with some high fiving tards you have as friends here.

    “I don’t know that his predicament in this case is due to official malfeasance, as you claim. ”
    Of course you don’t and you won’t discuss it, and know nothing about it (I’m sure).
    Which of course, playing the idiot is supposed to work, again.
    Next one of you regular moronbots will scream as I’ve seen before here, wait till the case, the trial, you weren’t there and you don’t know. LOL
    It is clear all of you would hang up on OJ calling in stolen item locations, but you know nothing about it, and you try to claim now you’re enjoying irony. I’ve already levelled that decking
    punch to the text chops.
    In any case, he was retrieving HIS STOLEN GOODS, so in your world, property rights are nothing. When corrput authorities say “you’re out of luck”, you are, in your world.
    Any blabbering goons want to claim they would like to see the property thiefs in jail ?
    Any chance ?

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  42. BTW, the Devil’s due in my religion is to spit on Him three times.

    nk (d681ef)

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    Icy Truth (ab2f41)

  44. I want a legitimate verdict, correctly found by a jury, and you’re complaining…

    Projection, doc…get your med books out and read…

    You IGNORED my question about why the fencers were not being prosecuted, which avoids having to really defend your position….

    You PROJECT that I would not accept a legitimate aquittal, which I never say, and the direct implication of my initial statement says exactly the opposite….hoping for a legitimate guilty verdict means if an illegitimate one comes, that would be wrong, and directly implies that only a legitimate guilty verdict would be acceptable….therefore, a legitimate aquittal would have to be acceptable….projection, doc…

    Doc, having been charged for a crime I did not commit, then only chance I had was a legitimate aquittal, but, I needed a just PROSECUTOR who understood the search for the truth was as important as the search for justice was the only reason I was aquitted….had I had the wrong kind, the adversarial kind, I was at risk of being found guilty for a crime I was clearly not guilty of….

    But, you wouldn’t understand that….you think that any verdict is “legitimate”….

    And, there not always so….that’s why I want a legitimate guilty verdict, not an illegitimate one….

    reff (4ab894)

  45. they’re…not there in the last line….it’s getting late, and the doc is putting me to sleep….

    reff (4ab894)

  46. Well, actually, SiliconDoc, that property was not really his. It belonged to the Goldman family in satisfaction of their judgment. So even under your scenario, O.J. was trying to steal back property that he had previously stolen. Sorry, my friend, no equity there.

    nk (d681ef)

  47. LOL ” Calm down, SiliconDoc. You and I could walk down this thread together, if you’d like, and discuss whether someone who has gotten the benefit of ‘the system” all his life can complain when the system turns against him. And it goes way beyond O.J..
    Comment by nk — ”
    Oh my, we have a little left wing jealousy coming out, huh. How unbecoming of you nk. His entire life an advantage. LOL Now the system is a comglomerate of mush, for or against indivuduals. That’s a nice theory, that doesn’t support the OJ haters, but merely supports what I’ve said, in a rather grey, uninspired, non specific manner.
    Now you want to change the SUBJECT, off OJ, to some wider view, and you have a contorted challenge to “go through this thread” if I want.
    I ALREADY HAVE. I have responded to the posters addressing me.
    I’ve kept to topic and made the points, and there really isn’t a counter argument. That’s the problem here.
    Any crime is a good crime, as long as you get what you want, that of course is the “rule” the preachers here adhere to. something that isn’t a crime, should be ( the acquittal verdict ) because the holier than thous and smarter than everyone else, and “true justice” people claim they would have never bent in the prior(jury acquittal), but are like BROKEN REEDS, crushed and burnt, in the current case, bending over backwards for their criminal cure.
    Now, the “answer” comes from you, more or less : ” Well you know it’s a screwed up system”.
    LOL
    Yes, and my point is, it’s a screwed up bunch of people babbling about it, and very careful to make sure they support as much crime in the system as gets them their emotional fix.
    Yes, it’s clear WHY.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  48. nk….doc wants “legitimate” verdicts…not justice….so do I….so, OJ should “legitimately” plead guilty to possession of stolen property, and throw himself on the mercy of the court….

    reff (4ab894)

  49. GO TO BED, nighty night full force of criminal conviction “mr legitimate”. LOL WOW, sorry not the usual dummy you pretend to “beat”.
    ” they’re…not there in the last line….it’s getting late, and the doc is putting me to sleep….
    Comment by reff — 9″
    Nighty night.
    Since I was the LEAST BORING in the entire thread, you have given away your PUTRIDITY, once again.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  50. reff ” OJ should “legitimately” plead guilty to possession of stolen property ”
    His OWN property, while the criminal fences have dinner with you. LOL
    You’re one sick cookie bub.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  51. Nice meeting you, SiliconDoc. I always like discussing O.J..

    nk (d681ef)

  52. Of course, you have no response to your projections, so, you respond by…

    What was that, anyway….???

    And, who cares if you were the least boring, as long as you were boring???

    reff (4ab894)

  53. Again, doc, you avoid a fact…the property did not legally belong to OJ, but was part of a civil court ruling, and should have been turned over to or sold and the funds turned over to the Goldman family…

    But, again, you avoided the question: Why are the fencers not being prosecuted??? Could it be that the DA needs them to testify against OJ???

    The adversarial system fails you here, doesn’t it, doc???

    reff (4ab894)

  54. Can Patterico arrange to have access to this site blocked in the prison library?

    Icy Truth (ab2f41)

  55. ” doc, have you bothered to tell us WHY the fencers are not being charged???
    Oh…yeah…the adversarial system pits one “victim” against another “victim” and the DA chooses sides….
    Again, that is wrong….I want everyone who breaks the law prosecuted, but, the system we now have says that the DA will decide which case to prosecute, and he picked this one….”
    Ahh, so you ARE an idiot. The system will excuse the lack of response by those I named, then when they CLAIM OJ was there to steal his own goods back, you suddenly become a drooling MORON, and side with your imaginary DA who can’t prosecute the fencers as well, who by any OJ verdict, must have been there with stolen property.
    LOL
    You’re a SELLOUT.
    Here, YOU SUPPORT CRIME YOU SAID OJ COMMITTED, you excuse those guilty of being in possession of his property, and claim it’s the only choice the DA has. LOL
    So, if they gave OJ his property back (the “system” who took it now for evidence), or “gave it to the former victims family”, or just DID THEIR JOB to begin with, you’d have….
    Well, you wouldn’t have your satisfying VENGEANCE against a man trying to get back his own goods. So you’re WRONG in any case.
    The DA is WRONG in prosecuting OJ after the system failed to act even upon notice, and rubbed it in, and it’s WRONG of course, for excusing the fences, as all of you have.
    It is CLEAR what justice is here, and I outlined it in my first post.
    Now you’ve whined the former vedict is wrong, the DA plays games here and made up his mind.. (screw JUSTICE – whatever the DA decides to COVER UP for other failed officials and authorities), and now you WANT ANOTHER SYSTEM ENTIRELY, but you ARE NOT for justice here, in this case, PERIOD.
    reff : ” I believe in the system, but, the system that was originally set up believed in justice, which meant the goal was the truth. ”
    FINE. In this case, OJ gets his goods back, or they are confiscated and proceeds submitted to the winners of the alternate civil case you believe in 100% no matter what as a perfect portion of the current system LOL(that’s amazing reff ! lOL) , OJ gets paid for doing the law enforcement authorities work they shirked after tipoffs, they are fined for that as well, and fired, and jailed. The FENCERS, theives and sellers of stolen property go to JAIL.
    Ok can get one football sticker for his forehead ( a target indicator) after some freak friend of yours spits on it three times in His name, of course.
    If you get what you want, you get a your double jeopardy do-over, and in the slammer he goes for the murders you say he wiggled out of. Of course ACQUITTAL, is absolutely unsuportable there, in any system. (As you turds so often scream in other threads, “you don’t know everything you weren’t there” – except here you ALL DO, you all were there, absolutely)
    Let’s just let you rewrite it all, huh bub.
    In the mean time you’ll demand your guilty verdict with full extent of the law sentencing against just OJ specifically in just this case, then claim you’re for full justice everywhere, and if you babble long anough, someone should believe you but I NEVER will.
    You layed down your number in your first post, reff, and you’re still crawling under that crooked rock.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  56. ” Of course, you have no response to your projections, so, you respond by…
    What was that, anyway….???
    And, who cares if you were the least boring, as long as you were boring???
    Comment by reff — 9/13/2008 ”
    I have a response, and you got it, you have no patience, and are not the only one here, already claimed you were bored and going to bed, AND, I believe have been responding IN ORDER, but you WAILED out a lie and accusation instead.
    You have your response, and NOW I will make sure I satisfied all your little gripes such as “you’re projecting” ?
    ANSWERED reff, by note of your very FIRST statement.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  57. “So sorry I cannot be as stupid as the rest of you, and yes, I do mean that, and yes, I am correct, and yes, probably all of you know it, and cannot stand it as well. You also are thoroughly bound, after years of your ragingly insane comments and chesty haired thug thumps about your wishes and dreams of vengance, to continue your insane folly.”

    Doc – You are just so super duper precious.

    I missed you.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  58. You still never answered the question doc…

    You won’t, because it destroys your argument…

    And, no, the answer is not because the DA picked one over the other….

    And, I never, once, said I was bored, so, on that, you are simply a liar….you’re putting me to sleep with your rants, and your gobbly-gook, but it is not because I am bored….so, I didn’t say I was bored….

    You’re a liar….and stupid too, but worse than all that, you project your feelings on all of us….and call me a sellout…

    Glad I was able to protect your right to say really dumb things….

    reff (4ab894)

  59. ” You IGNORED my question about why the fencers were not being prosecuted, which avoids having to really defend your position….” reff
    No I don’t ignore it an didn’t ignore it. THEY had stolen property, OJ’s stolen property. You have since claimed it ALL GOES to the civil case verdict, but as I understand it, that is yet to be determined at the time. Doesn’t matter either way, OJ in one case is retrieving his own stolen goods, and in your scenario, is restealing his own goods you claim are now by some other verdict, someone else’s. Either way, he alerted the authorities and they failed to act and threw it in his face. Heck they failed when his items were stolen initially, as well.
    The fencers need to go to jail, the auhorities need to go to jail, and OJ needs an AWARD for being the person who tracked down the thieves, reported them to the authorities, then did their job for them.
    That’s justice.
    Instead, it’s OK with you, that the auhorities IGNORE even the civil case verdict YOU CLAIM makes those stolen goods of “the vicitms family”.
    Of course , I believe it was you as well, yes, dreamed up “finding his money” – when if you knew anything, THEY CANNOT TAKE CERTAIN ASSETS FROM HIM.
    So, imaginary hidden money is your answer, perhaps the cayman islands in your imagination.
    You’re a KOOKER for that alone.
    Whatever, you going to bed yet, or want to take the straight DA coruption line and claim the DA is “doing justice in an adversarial ssytem” ?
    I think I addressed that LONG BEFORE you quacked it out, I mentioned Mike Nifong, Nancy Grace, and Ronnie Earle, #25, before you got your idea.
    Now, let’s be REAL about your “point”. you CLAIM you want everyone prosecuted, atfer I pointed out your glaringly putrid bias in your first post, and after you lied about it, slammed home the point about how biased it is, PERIOD, and now you take a tact that the fences get off “because the DA is using them as witnesses” – doing a full 180 to my very FIRST POST.
    Yes, OJ is let go, the authorities shirking their duty to retrieve stolen goods go to jail, and the fences DO TOO.
    Now, that we’re BACK TO MY FIRST POST, with your adversarial system point, what say you ?
    Suck on your shoe I say.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  60. OJ can be the adversarial WITNESS for the prosecution. He saw the goods there, got them, and knows if they are his.
    THAT’S PROPER USE of our system reff.
    Like I said suck on your shoe, keep eating till you reach… well… you know.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  61. OJ may also TESTIFY how the authorities SHIRKED THEIR DUTY to the civitms family and failed to go get the stolen goods.The phone records can be brought in, and OJ can SHOW what being in the system, “as it turns against you” (as you put it), what it’s all about.
    So, OJ, star witness for prosecution, adversarial system satisfied 100%, and used properly.
    Next you blirthering one sided dingleberry on your very first post reff ?

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  62. Ok….

    OJ puts a gun in the face of a man he believes is holding his-OJ’s-property….

    The next line in italics is your words:

    Again, that is wrong….I want everyone who breaks the law prosecuted…

    But, you’ve spent, what…10 posts this morning defending OJ, saying he should not be prosecuted…

    I hope he puts a gun in your face….I also hope it does not go off, and he is not prosecuted…

    It would be a crime, one for which he should be prosecuted, but, I hope the prosecutor ignores you, as you think he did OJ….

    You say I lied about what I put in my first post….I re-read every one of your posts to me, and nowhere in it can I find you proving my opinion about my first post is a lie….because you can’t prove my opinion is a lie, since it is my opinion….

    You make up facts…and declare victory….

    We needed you in Kuwait…or Grenada…no, wait, we won in Grenada….I know, we need you in Afghanistan….hurry up and join….

    And you still haven’t answered the question about why the DA is not prosecuting the fencers…..

    It’s because he can’t get a conviction against the fencers using OJ’s testimony….the jurors would not believe it….so, he chooses to go the other way, in the adversarial system…

    Wonder what would have happened to OJ if he had just given the property that didn’t belong to him to the rightful owners, the Goldman family…..

    But, I’m digressing….

    reff (4ab894)

  63. Oh, wait, I almost forgot…

    racist!!!!

    thanks, JD…

    reff (4ab894)

  64. ” Well, actually, SiliconDoc, that property was not really his. It belonged to the Goldman family in satisfaction of their judgment. So even under your scenario, O.J. was trying to steal back property that he had previously stolen. Sorry, my friend, no equity there.

    Comment by nk ”
    So you’ve cracked the case, where his “storage” was broken into, OJ stole it ? LOL
    I see, he’s “stolen” all sorts of “other money”, too, you’re a reff bleeder in that sense.
    ANYTHING GOES then huh. LOL
    Why don’t you guys buy 10 books each, “How I would have done it, if I did it” – or whatever the now “Goldman owned and edited” book is titled ? Come on, make their day.
    You just know OJ is all in that Cayman Islands banking system, or Bermuda, or other “stolen verdict” money – your conclusion is boundless, your evidence is zero, but that of course does not matter. LOL
    I know you’ll SCREAM take very dime he has ever had his whole life.
    ” He’s HIDING ! It ! ”
    roflmao
    You people ARE CLOWNS. The only answer is satiating whatever emotionally crippling mind screw you’ve found yourselves in. Objectivity and justice is gone forever, the case that never ends is in your blood till the day you die,and you’ll support any (good)crime to change it’s outcome.
    That is absolutely clear.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  65. reff – ocne agian the braindead mumbling idiot excuses his own stupidity ” But, you’ve spent, what…10 posts this morning defending OJ, saying he should not be prosecuted…
    I hope he puts a gun in your face….I also hope it does not go off, and he is not prosecuted…”
    Well reff, I hope when you have stolen goods you’re fencing, and the owner breaks in, he SHOOTS YOU DEAD, then the police give him an award.
    Really, you are truly an ignorant slugmonkey game player.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  66. LOLOL ” And, I never, once, said I was bored, so, on that, you are simply a liar….you’re putting me to sleep with your rants, and your gobbly-gook, but it is not because I am bored….so, I didn’t say I was bored…. ”
    LOL
    When you have my stolen goods in your possession, and are trying to fence them off, don’t be surprised when I pop in and shoot you in the face, to get rid of the garbage, like we all know needs to be done in the USA.
    Now what was that completely aternate scenario your chicken lying carcass quacked out there, mr bubba ? Should I just call you slick willie starting now ?

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  67. ” Doc – You are just so super duper precious.
    I missed you.
    Comment by daleyrocks”
    Oh boy, another whiner smart aleck. No chance you could help your failing “bros” of the right wing wackjob any huh ? Yeah, must be tough. Maybe someone laughed.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  68. ” Oh, wait, I almost forgot…
    racist!!!!
    thanks, JD…
    Comment by reff ”
    Runing on empty again idiot reff ? Do you need your own losers moron crowd to pretend to be left wing wakocs ? Why you’re such a good job of that yourself already. Why beg for scraps I haven’t given you ? Maybe you can “manufacture some evidence” with JD’s help !
    roflmao !

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  69. ” OJ puts a gun in the face of a man he believes is holding his-OJ’s-property…. ”
    Uhh, he saw it, no “belief about it” bubba.
    It just goes to show WHERE your head is. You’ve eaten far past your shoe, a long time ago.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  70. ” Nice meeting you, SiliconDoc. I always like discussing O.J..

    Comment by nk — 9/13/2008 ”
    Ok nk, good meeting you, better no doubt in another thread, or at least I believe that likely.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  71. Glad I was able to show what an idiot you are about this, and your rage over the prior, as the major influence.
    ” Glad I was able to protect your right to say really dumb things….
    Comment by reff — 9/14/2008 ”
    I’ll GIVE THE CREDIT, to Patterico, NOT YOU.
    Furthermore, I epxect you, so sooner rather than later, complain and wionce and moan, and pile on, to have me banned. So that is ALSO clearly a lie. Shall I peruse the recent activity further, where Patterico issues a warning, and the cattle crew beeps with delight in 3 or 4 posts afterwards ? Surely you’ve partaken ? Or are you for the “justice” you just FALSELY claimed credit for ?
    Perhaps you want to brandish some military stripes, and that of course would be your argumentative piss and moan smart aleck retort at being outed for the biased raging whore you are in this case, your very first post, which you have DENIED repeatedly ?
    Shall I instead DEMAND you;ve skipped my point entirely, like a “juve you”, when I don’t see anything relating to OJ as the adversarial witness ? Oh I just did, imagine that.
    Yeah, you get ZERO CREDIT for my free speech.
    Patterico gets the credit here. PERIOD.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  72. Ahh perhaps they hit the sack, finally.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  73. SiliconDic –

    Now, if you’re a former murderer and you got off scott free, that’s supposed to change it all for me ?

    — So that’s “former” as in, “I used to be a murderer but now, after not being punished at all for it, I’ve seen the error of my ways”?

    Oh, and it’s “scot-free”.

    Icy Truth (0b6250)

  74. “The jury won’t believe OJ ” – so the DA went with- blah blah blah .. LOL
    You don’t know the American people very well. The jury WILL BELIEVE the FBI, the police, and all the local authority HUNG UP on him.
    They will also be easily convinced that, yeah, it’s Oj’s stuff, and yeah, the fencers had possession of stolen property “.
    I’m sure they all want the corrupt authorities behind bars as well. It’s near impossible to not find that sentiment 100% widespread, and of course Palin is a GOOD EXAMPLE for what I’m talking about there.
    Now there is one problem. The problem is your right wing raging hatred of OJ, and your jury verdict, your personal one you want forevermore to be the rule of law and what goes down, till the day he croaks, no matter what. ( no I don’t have to designate specifically who “he” refers to, your endless rage will cover that ).
    I think the people deserve better. All those fencers belong in jail, the authorities failing to act after being notified belong in jail, and clearly the prosecutor does as well.
    OJ doesn’t deserve jail for what he did in this case. No, he deserves an AWARD.
    Like I said, if you can PROVE the goods are “the Goldman’s ” , he still deserves some award money for finding them, besides a good citizen detective commendation. I suppose not the highest of awards, since he didn’t beat or shoot to death the criminals in the Hotel room, furthering justice in the USA( as all of you more or less claim to want concerning OJ ).
    In fact OJ did a fine job, as did those with him, something law enforcement failed utterly with, until far too late, way, way after their time, at whic point they made a mess of it, again.
    Oh well, plenty of raging tards to back them up, at least this time.
    Not in the “Scooter” Libby case, not concerning Tom Delay, not in many others similar, but that’s the breaks. Scratch the Paris Hilton LA jailing, though, that matches your OJ dreams. That a decent outline, even if the usual blathering tards next claim this or that exception.
    I guess a corrupt big brother is the perfect answer for you, for now, for this, and of course, only this time (next time you can switch sides again), since it goes in “your emotional favor”.
    Ridiculous corruption in the courts and the system and the law enforcement authorities is good with you, as long as your little estrogen perks get tweaked just right.
    Yep, a sad case really. Not like you oppose the system we have at all. You’re all for it, if it gives you what you want, in any one case, and you’ll specifically ignore it’s proper useage then, and play the IDIOT, liar, and fool, to perfection. Denial is the river of OJ rage flowing through your gourd, PERIOD.
    PS- I don’t agree with the civil case being allowed since it followed the criminal acquittal. But you’ll clutch that with your very lives, while you toss out the other, also a clear indication of how corrupt you have become, IMO, and an indication of the corruption in the system.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  75. #73 Was that an attempt at communication Orcy Tittle, or a standalone expression ? LOL Did your little job knobs get a thrill ? Golly, you went beyond 3 words, should we all acknowledge your prescence and contributions now ?
    roflmao – you won pathetic again, you keep winning, and winning, and winning, pure troll green tardalong. LOL
    Orcy Tittle, the wee wittle trolls best friend.
    :-)

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  76. More CAPS, Doc! Show off that super-duper intelligence that you imagine you possess. Then back it up by resorting to condescention based on your imaginary intellectual superiority. You’re incoherent, which, FYI, isn’t a sign of intelligence.

    Apogee (186a12)

  77. Ahh, one more ankle scraping rube.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  78. Time for you to piss and moan about spelling or grammar, come on peak boy, you can pull it off.
    You people are PATHETIC, really it’s a shame.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  79. “Maybe someone laughed.”

    Doc – Me. Laughing at you. Enjoying myself. You’ve got all the answers.

    Precious.

    And Fascinating.

    You Rawk Doc!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  80. So the full blown emotional gasbag twit returns for 2 seconds.
    More PATHETIC.
    See ya never, hopefully, twit.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  81. If The Doc Sez It

    You Must Acquit!

    Fascinating!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  82. doc, here comes my lie…

    Patterico, please don’t ban doc…
    He’s just so funny….his humor is hilarious….

    /aside to Mr. Frey: this is not satire

    reff (4ab894)

  83. You people are PATHETIC, really it’s a shame.

    More projection “Doc”. Nice caps, though.

    Oh, and to your comment about punctuation and grammar – I usually reserve that for people (like yourself) who insist on trumpeting their intellectual superiority, while simultaneously displaying their lack of a rudimentary education.

    Your comments are quite similar to the former “big island dave” retard – all insult and no content. You go ahead and boast about that to yourself. You’re obviously all you have.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  84. “I can be as stupid as you.

    Who am I to question a man’s goals?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  85. Your all Idots!

    tyrone (c3f444)

  86. *cough*
    Far be it for me to correct someone, but when the errors occur while they call us idiots…

    Your all idots!

    Idiots we may be, but we usually catch “your” and “you’re” errors…

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)


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