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9/7/2008

I’ll Be Danged: L.A. Times Hypes Voter’s Observation That Obama Mentioned the Cost of Gas First — But Not the Fact that Obama’s Speech Came First

Filed under: 2008 Election,Dog Trainer,General — Patterico @ 3:15 pm

Today the Los Angeles Times runs a front-page Sunday-edition story based on interviews with a couple dozen women in Pennsylvania. Here’s a typical passage:

Even if they admire Palin’s attempt to juggle political ambition, an infant son with Down syndrome and a pregnant unwed daughter, these women say that maternal grit is not enough to win their votes.

Wow. Every last one of them says they won’t vote for Palin, huh? I’m sure that fairly reflects nationwide polling. Anyway, get this:

Waitress Judy Artice, “Miss Judy,” as she is known at Glisan’s roadside diner, declared Palin “the perfect candidate” after watching her Wednesday speech. That said, Artice had already decided that her vote would go to the first candidate who mentioned gasoline prices.

“And — I’ll be danged — it was Obama,” Artice, 46, said between servings of liver and onions during the lunch rush.

I’ll be danged!

I guess Obama cares about gas prices more than John McCain!

Or, just maybe, they both care, but Obama mentioned gas prices first because the Democrats had their convention first.

The article doesn’t mention that, of course.

But did John McCain even mention the price of gas in his speech? Let’s look:

We’re not going to allow that while you struggle to buy groceries, fill your gas tank, and make your mortgage payment. I’ve fought to get million-dollar checks out of our elections. I’ve fought lobbyists who stole from Indian tribes. I’ve fought crooked deals in the Pentagon. I’ve fought tobacco companies and trial lawyers, drug companies and union bosses.

(APPLAUSE)

And:

She’s — she’s helped run a small business. She’s worked with her hands and knows — and knows what it’s like to worry about mortgage payments, and health care, and the cost of gasoline and groceries.

And:

We must use all resources and develop all technologies necessary to rescue our economy from the damage caused by rising oil prices and restore the health of our planet.

There’s more about what to do about energy:

In America, we change things that need to be changed. Each generation makes its contribution to our greatness. The work that is ours to do is plainly before us; we don’t need to search for it.

We need to change the way government does almost everything: from the way we protect our security to the way we compete in the world economy; from the way we respond to disasters to the way we fuel our transportation network; from the way we train our workers to the way we educate our children.

And:

MCCAIN: We’re going to stop sending $700 billion a year to countries that don’t like us very much, and some of that money…

(APPLAUSE)

We’ll attack — we’ll attack the problem on every front. We’ll produce more energy at home. We will drill new wells off-shore, and we’ll drill them now. We’ll drill them now.

I’ll be danged.

Now: Obama did indeed also allude to the price of gas in his own acceptance speech, talking about “cars you can’t afford to drive” and outlining a plan to “finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East.”

But it’s unfair for the L.A. Times to leave floating out there the implication that Obama has shown that he cares about the price of gas, and John McCain doesn’t.

The L.A. Times — unfair to a Republican?

I’ll be danged!

UPDATE: Commenter Karl notes that Obama spoke about high gas prices before the convention. He likes them!

62 Comments

  1. I think I like this recent story about Obama (“have you guys seen the price of Arugula lately”) much better:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/the_sacrifices_obama_has_made.asp

    What a whiny, spoiled brat this guy really is – he’s complaining about 1st class air travel and (horrors!) 4 – Star Hotel Food? I’d love to tell him about my previous jobs where my deluxe travel consisted of middle seats in cramped MD – 80′s to Louisville, followed up with the best accomodations on earth, Hampton Inns. And the best part? The Subway in the adjoining strip mall!

    This is getting beyond the point of parody – the guy is a self – parody.

    Comment by Dmac (e639cc) — 9/7/2008 @ 3:26 pm

  2. Hey, Obama did talk about high gas prices before the convention!

    He likes them.

    Comment by Karl (1b4668) — 9/7/2008 @ 3:30 pm

  3. BYW, one missed GOP opportunity was that they did not use the giant HD video screen at their convention to show video like that during their speeches.

    Comment by Karl (1b4668) — 9/7/2008 @ 3:32 pm

  4. I’m voting for the one that said drill ANWR. Oh, gosh, that would be Gov. Palin.

    Comment by Sandy (583bc3) — 9/7/2008 @ 3:33 pm

  5. Ill be danged!
    You mean our economy is being destroyed because Democrats block drilling for oil right under our feet?

    Comment by Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 9/7/2008 @ 3:37 pm

  6. The Times also is assuming that Gloria Steinem is still a spokesman for women, instead of for assisted living.

    Sorry. Spokesperson.

    Comment by MIke K (155601) — 9/7/2008 @ 3:55 pm

  7. lol, kinda reminds me of the CNN interviews a few days ago in Alaska when a reporter dug up the 3 or 4 people in Alaska that were anti Palin

    Comment by james conrad (6bb6e6) — 9/7/2008 @ 4:34 pm

  8. “The L.A. Times — unfair to a Republican?”

    I sincerely hope so. It be a nice start to balance out all of the idiotic god, gays, and guns right wing media outlets that dominate our country.

    On second thought I’d them all to be nonpartisan.

    But I guess when one division of your company is selling the military billions it’s kind of tough for the media division of your company to not promote war.

    Bonus for the first right wing jackass here that knows to whom I refer.

    Comment by jharp (ef54fc) — 9/7/2008 @ 4:49 pm

  9. At least the LAT didn’t resort to the standard catch-all, “Some say…”

    I’m not terribly perturbed at the LAT for this one. There are far too many morons like the woman quoted about the first to mention gas prices. People like this know darn well the narrative. So, they come up with something that sounds intelligent that also fits the bias of the interviewer.

    Comment by Ed (f35a20) — 9/7/2008 @ 4:49 pm

  10. Are you all certain that this troll (#8) isn’t Levi? He is just trying to get people to fight with him. More TrollBot 9000 thinking.

    Dmac, Icy, and the gang: what do you think that this fellow does for a living? If he is biological, that is?

    Comment by Eric Blair (36c1a9) — 9/7/2008 @ 4:56 pm

  11. “WASHINGTON – President Bush said Sunday that the historic federal government takeover of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is needed to keep them from failing, a risk he called “unacceptable” for an economy battered by housing and credit crises.”

    More GOP success! Heckuva job.

    You gentleman right here. Patterico posters that is. Are exactly the cause of the problems. Too dam dumb to realized you vote against your own best interest.

    And for the ones smart enough to think about my post please ask yourself who is paying for for this disaster. And throw in the $1 trillion for the Iraq goodwill mission. And Bear Stearns.

    Please for the love of God. Think!

    Comment by jharp (ef54fc) — 9/7/2008 @ 4:57 pm

  12. “If he is biological, that is?”

    Hmmm, that’s a tough one.

    “Please for the love of God. Think!”

    Is he Jim Baker?

    Comment by Dmac (e639cc) — 9/7/2008 @ 5:07 pm

  13. At least he isn’t Jim Jones.

    Comment by Eric Blair (36c1a9) — 9/7/2008 @ 5:10 pm

  14. …And throw in the $1 trillion for the Iraq goodwill mission

    Would that be the same goodwill mission Hillary and Kerry voted for and funded by the Democrat congress?

    Comment by Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 9/7/2008 @ 5:13 pm

  15. Now that isn’t fair, Perfect Sense.

    You are supposed to pick and choose things to make Republicans look eeevvvilll, and Democrats the voice of reason (ahem), diversity, and goodwill.

    It always amazes me that folks don’t understand who writes and passes laws in Congress. It’s ain’t Bushitlerburtonnobloodforoilliar.

    Those Rovian-mind control beams are doing their stuff, I think.

    Seriously, Perfect Sense, good luck speaking truth to moonbattery!

    Comment by Eric Blair (36c1a9) — 9/7/2008 @ 5:17 pm

  16. jharp once again demonstrates just how out of touch he is.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 9/7/2008 @ 6:48 pm

  17. I’m still waiting for someone in the MSM to make the connection between Jamie “wall between intelligence and law enforcement” Gorelick and Jamie “Fannie Mae vice chair, 1998-2003″ Gorelick.

    I think it’d be a major scoop to interview someone so close to the center of some of the biggest events of the last decade about her involvement. And while they’re at it, talk to some of the folks responsible for getting her those plum assignments; I’m sure they’ll be able to explain their reasoning.

    Now, I’m sure Gorelick didn’t intend for anything bad to come of her time in government and her time at Fannie Mae, but, hell, we’re in the age when the ravings of lunatics at DailyKos get turned into MSM stories; I’m “just asking questions”, ya know?

    Comment by Rob Crawford (b5d1c2) — 9/7/2008 @ 6:49 pm

  18. Now The Whiney Guy says he really wanted to be GI Joe:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2700555/Barack-Obama-wanted-to-join-the-US-military.html

    If this man so desperate now that he feels he has to “man up” vis a vis McCain? No one can do that – this smells like panic.

    Comment by Dmac (e639cc) — 9/7/2008 @ 6:52 pm

  19. Someone tell me this doesn’t reek of fear and desperation:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2700555/Barack-Obama-wanted-to-join-the-US-military.html

    So we are now to believe that Mr. Whiny Guy really wanted to be GI Joe. You can’t man up vs. McCain, Messiah. No one can – go back to your heroic “community organizer” meme, that’s much more courageous – sounding.

    Comment by Dmac (e639cc) — 9/7/2008 @ 7:13 pm

  20. jharp once again demonstrates just how out of touch he is.

    Comment by SPQR

    OK Mr. SPQR,

    Please share with exactly what the GOP has done for you.

    Is it the $4 trillion in deficits?

    The $ 1 trillion venture to empower Iraq?

    Listening to your phone calls?

    Monitoring your email?

    Torturing our prisoners?

    Banks failures that will require to ding taxpayers for the first time in U.S. history?

    Worst job losses since the depression?

    Weakest dollar in our lifetime?

    $4.00 per gallon gas?

    Highest health care costs in the world? (same level of care)

    So what is it jackass? I’d love to hear it directly from a John McCain bootlicker.

    Living middle class and voting rich. And too dam dumb to understand it.

    Comment by jharp (ef54fc) — 9/7/2008 @ 7:17 pm

  21. Let’s hope that Harpy has wiped off the spittle from his monitor after that jihad. Or perhaps he has something else to wipe off…

    Comment by Dmac (e639cc) — 9/7/2008 @ 7:23 pm

  22. There is not a $4 trillion deficit, jharp, showing that you don’t know the basic terminology of government budgets. No one is listening to my phone calls, nor my email. That is your grotesque exaggeration of recent events ( by the way, the Democrats currently control intelligence committee oversight – but you are ignorant of that too ). Our prisoners are not being tortured, more exaggeration by the hydrophobic. As for bank failures, if you think that none have involved taxpayer money before, you are showing your ignorance yet again – the savings and loan crisis of the ’80′s would educate you. In fact, none of the recent bank failures have yet exceeded the FDIC reserves. Or do you think that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are banks? If so, you have once again shown how stupid you are.

    When the Democratic congress comes back from their vacation, they will have still failed to do anything to improve the supply of petroleum in this country despite being asked to.

    So you are the jackass, yet again. Grow up, jharp, get out of your parents’ basement and get a real education on how the world works. This “right wing media” garbage is typical of left-wing unemployable geeks with high scores in World of Warcraft.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 9/7/2008 @ 7:29 pm

  23. Obama does have a plan for ending our dependence on foreign oil: $12/gallon gasoline. If we are all so poor that we are all riding bikes to our government-assigned “volunteer” jobs, there won’t be any need to import anything.

    Comment by Kevin Murphy (0b2493) — 9/7/2008 @ 7:31 pm

  24. Jamie Gorelick, Frankie “It’s a surplus I’m serious’ Raines, and Jim Johnson, Mondale’s
    former chief of staff?? and a former Obama VP
    vetter ‘thrown under the bus’ because of his close ties to Angelo Mozilo; when he was at Bank of America. They ran Fannie Mae.

    Comment by narciso (c36902) — 9/7/2008 @ 7:32 pm

  25. This “right wing media” garbage is typical of left-wing unemployable geeks with high scores in World of Warcraft.

    If he had high scores he’d be doing that.

    Comment by Kevin Murphy (0b2493) — 9/7/2008 @ 7:33 pm

  26. @jharp

    You always beat them in these arguments. It’s not even close.

    But they don’t understand. Just wait till November, come back and gloat.

    In the meantime, I suggest trolling. It’s more fun.

    Comment by i like america (f4c1e0) — 9/7/2008 @ 7:36 pm

  27. “i like america”, you really don’t understand anything that is being discussed, evidently.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 9/7/2008 @ 7:37 pm

  28. Obama’s goons are out there pursuing the “independent” minds that fault McCain and Palin for every ill besetting the nation, even when it is BS like the economy being in the toilet, high unemployment rates, even though lower than under Clinton.

    In one way it is great that the media cannot help themselves with transparent bias for liberlism, but too many so-called thinking voters believe the garbage they hear spewed over and over.

    I see Olberdouche and Matthews have been taken off debate and election night anchor duties. Does that mean the dynamic puke duo is hurting the NBC bottom line. If I knew who the sponsors were I would boycott them, but cannot watch those clowns as even the replacement Gregory is a big asshat.
    So Olberdouche has a 4 year contract at $4 million a year? I’m all for free enterprise, but would not pay any of them big bucks if I ran the networks. And now I read on Drudge that the fearless Keith feared for his safety had he gone to St. Paul for GOP convention. Like Obama, just another Big Pussy. Just saw a poll that McCain ticket now up by 10 points. Say it ain’t so, there must be soooooo many dirty racists in this country keeping the oh so competent, charismatic and elite magic negro down.

    Comment by madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 9/7/2008 @ 7:39 pm

  29. SPQR -

    It’s okay. I know personal attacks are the best you can do.

    I wouldn’t want to address any facts if I were as wrong as you are either.

    Comment by i like america (f4c1e0) — 9/7/2008 @ 8:01 pm

  30. “i like america”, I’ve been addressing facts. Evidently you don’t actually know what facts look like, any more than jharp does. I won’t be surprised to learn that you think that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were banks too.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 9/7/2008 @ 8:02 pm

  31. There is a definite stench about.
    Did someone run over a skunk with their SUV?

    Comment by Another Drew (b60e19) — 9/7/2008 @ 8:19 pm

  32. I’m sorry Drew, but he ran right in front my truck.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 9/7/2008 @ 8:20 pm

  33. Judy sounds like a lady who knows her onions but I’ll have to ask the lady at the McDonald’s pick-up window, tomorrow morning, just to be sure how I should vote.

    Comment by nk (21731d) — 9/7/2008 @ 8:28 pm

  34. jharp once again demonstrates just how out of touch he is.

    Comment by SPQR

    OK Mr. SPQR,

    Please share with exactly what the GOP has done for you.

    Please, please share with me what the GOP has done for you.

    I forgot about the 4,500 soldiers they have gotten killed on the goodwill mission.

    And the 40,000 maimed and wounded American soldiers.

    Does that make you proud? Bring it on you jackass.

    What have they done for you?

    Comment by jharp (ef54fc) — 9/7/2008 @ 8:29 pm

  35. jharp, you just can’t avoid the fact that you are the one who has demonstrated that it is you who are the ignorant jackass.

    You can’t get any fundamental fact right in your frothy little diatribes, you are completely ignorant of everything upon which you opine, but that does not prevent you from certitude in your ignorance.

    It is hilarious how the most rabid ones are the most incompetent.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 9/7/2008 @ 8:31 pm

  36. I said.

    “Is it the $4 trillion in deficits?”

    You said.

    “There is not a $4 trillion deficit, jharp, showing that you don’t know the basic terminology of government budgets.”

    You are stupid man, a liar, or a careless reader.

    Yes, there are $4 trillion in deficits since W took office.

    Please share with me how you intend we pay this back.

    I really don’t get it. How in God’s name can you continue to support a party who legislates against your interests.

    And I apologize to you if you are in the $500,000 plus income group. I can understand your position if that is the case.

    Comment by jharp (ef54fc) — 9/7/2008 @ 8:38 pm

  37. SPQR,

    Bring it on.

    “Please, please share with me what the GOP has done for you.”

    Comment by jharp (ef54fc) — 9/7/2008 @ 8:39 pm

  38. #

    SPQR,

    Bring it on.

    “Please, please share with me what the GOP has done for you.”

    Comment by jharp — 9/7/2008 @ 8:39 pm

    And for Patterico.

    I suggest you post something on the subject.

    It’d be different from the other right wingers, might build some traffic, and get this, it might even educate some visitors and posters.

    I know it’s a tough assignment. And please spare me the “no other terrorists attacks” after ignoring the warnings and having the worst terror attacks in U.S. history.

    Good luck. And thanks for providing the forum for me to post.

    Comment by jharp (ef54fc) — 9/7/2008 @ 10:27 pm

  39. SPQR,

    Bring it on.

    “Please, please share with me what the GOP has done for you.”

    Comment by jharp — 9/7/2008 @ 8:39 pm

    And for Patterico.

    Might I suggest you post something on the subject.

    It’d be different from the other right wingers, might build some traffic, and get this, it might even educate some visitors and posters.

    I know it’s a tough assignment. And please spare me the “no other terrorists attacks” after ignoring the warnings and having the worst terror attacks in U.S. history.

    Good luck. And thanks for providing the forum for me to post.

    Comment by jharp (ef54fc) — 9/7/2008 @ 10:29 pm

  40. jharp,

    Might I suggest that you tone down the insults, or you won’t have the forum. Seriously, you’re consistently insulting other posters here. Please stop.

    Comment by Patterico (cc3b34) — 9/7/2008 @ 10:32 pm

  41. SPQR,

    Bring it on.

    “Please, please share with me what the GOP has done for you.”

    Comment by jharp — 9/7/2008 @ 8:39 pm

    And for Patterico.

    Might I suggest you post something on the subject.

    It’d be different from the other right wingers, might build some traffic, and get this, it might even educate some visitors and posters.

    I know it’s a tough assignment. And please spare me the “no other terrorists attacks” after they ignored the warnings and allowed the worst terror attacks in U.S. history.

    Good luck. And thanks for providing the forum for me to post.

    Comment by jharp (ef54fc) — 9/7/2008 @ 10:32 pm

  42. Dude, we heard you the first and second times.

    Comment by Patterico (cc3b34) — 9/7/2008 @ 10:39 pm

  43. Seeing those multiple posts make me think that there has been a glitch in the Matrix.

    Agents must be on the way.

    Presumably Rovian agents.

    Comment by Eric Blair (2708f4) — 9/7/2008 @ 10:40 pm

  44. jharp,

    Why can’t we refer to a lack of terror attacks? Hasn’t the war on terror been a key issue in the years since 9/11? Well, if you deny the defense, then I will go for offense. They have been killing terrorist leaders and eliminating Taliban leaders with dispatch. In Somalia, in the Philippines, in Afghanistan, and yes, in Iraq. Instead of hiding, they have have fought back. And McCain will continue this theme – I remember him promising Al Qaeda “no mercy” after 9-11.

    They have also aggressively supported nuclear energy in the US and in stable countries like India. They have encouraged the modern nuclear renaissance, while avoiding the trap that the NEI fell into the Iranian nuclear program. (Iran wants a bomb. The bomb is in the regime’s interest, but not in ours.)

    Comment by OmegaPaladin (17b6cb) — 9/7/2008 @ 11:05 pm

  45. The problem, OmegaPaladin, is that folks like JH and ILA are just trying to argue and sound snarky.

    I’m thinking freshmen comparative sociology majors, or 25 year olds at Kinkos.

    Could be wrong, of course.

    But it isn’t about debate; it’s about argument.

    For a good primer, see:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

    So your points are well taken…but…pearls before swine, and all that.

    Comment by Eric Blair (2708f4) — 9/7/2008 @ 11:14 pm

  46. Sorry that it took so long to get back to you, Eric.

    What jharp does for a living is “hate”. He hates anything that is less than perfect, because he has been led to believe that perfection — i.e. the complete elimination of our social ills — is actually achievable within a free society. Each day that goes by without a permanent solution to the world’s problems is another day in which to complain vociferously about the things he hates, and those he holds personally responsible for creating/perpetuating those problems.

    Either that or he cleans public lavatories. After five years they’ll give him a brush.

    Comment by Icy Truth (a1fb87) — 9/8/2008 @ 12:01 am

  47. No worries, Icy.

    I know the fellow claims to be older and have kids, but it just doesn’t sound that way to me. The tone sounds trustifarian and young and entitled. It’s a familiar tone to me, since I teach college.

    Very few older people have that much certitude.

    The Vision of the Anointed by Thomas Sowell comes to mind.

    Comment by Eric Blair (36c1a9) — 9/8/2008 @ 12:26 am

  48. Committed, or should-be-committed, leftists have that much certitude by definition. The ongoing struggle of the urban proletariat, and all that. Religious fervor applied to a secular ideal.

    Comment by Icy Truth (a1fb87) — 9/8/2008 @ 1:12 am

  49. What’s hilarious about people like jharp is that they are so frothy about topics that they are in fact unable to coherently discuss. Most of their basic understanding of current events is simply wrong – with the result that they have exaggerated ideas about what are the actual issues. The result is that one can’t discuss anything with them because they refuse to actually learn anything.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 9/8/2008 @ 6:31 am

  50. And please spare me the “no other terrorists attacks” after they ignored the warnings and allowed the worst terror attacks in U.S. history.

    I love it when people ask for your postion, and then pre-emptively tell you that your position is wrong.

    Comment by JD (75f5c3) — 9/8/2008 @ 6:39 am

  51. JD, and use debunked mythology to do it.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 9/8/2008 @ 6:43 am

  52. Dmac,

    Do you remember Hillary claiming that she tried to enlist the Marines? It seems to be a play in the Liberal Playbook to deflect the “I hate the Military” or “I’m not patriotic” criticism Liberal generate for themselves.

    Comment by PCD (5c49b0) — 9/8/2008 @ 6:50 am

  53. I’m voting for the one that said drill ANWR. Oh, gosh, that would be Gov. Palin.

    Actually – ANWR was the unstated item on the table. There is no doubt in my mind that Gov Palin has “enlightened” Sen McCain on the subject, but it is my opinion that ANWR is off the table until after the elections. The focus was most definitely on OCS drilling – NOW! PAY LESS! :-)

    Comment by rhodeymark (e86321) — 9/8/2008 @ 7:04 am

  54. So self – is it unstated on the table, or is it off the table?

    Hey, I’m a Gemini!

    Comment by rhodeymark (4f2403) — 9/8/2008 @ 7:08 am

  55. @SPQR

    The result is that one can’t discuss anything with them because they refuse to actually learn anything.

    Takes one to know one apparently.

    Your ideas on wiretapping and email alone are easily refuted on google. Check them out again WITHOUT learning about them from Rush. Read the gov’t press releases.

    Comment by i like america (edae44) — 9/8/2008 @ 9:09 am

  56. @SPQR

    How’d the reading go?

    I crack myself up

    Comment by i like america (f4c1e0) — 9/8/2008 @ 5:54 pm

  57. “i like america”, you seem to really have confused yourself. Not unlike jharp.

    Here’s a clue. We’ve discussed FISA quite heavily on this particular blog in recent years. Search around here and you’ll see that we’ve discussed the subject in great detail in fact. Both the relevant statutes, the various interpretations and the publicly disclosed information about the surveillance programs. Discussions you are obviously not equipped to participate in.

    Your amusement value is quite limited, I assure you.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 9/8/2008 @ 6:02 pm

  58. SPQR, I work in the intelligence field.

    Sorry to burst your bubble but your little discussions on don’t change reality even a little bit.

    The gov’t doesn’t care about your discussions – they’re not concerned about you in the slightest.

    They want to protect this country. They don’t want to step on your liberties. They don’t want to spy on you. But if spying on you is what it takes to bring down a terrorist, well… they’ll use the resources at their disposal.

    And they’re publically on record saying they DO record certain electronic data in bulk. What data? I’ll leave it to you to find the press releases.

    The US is exceptional at ELINT … worldwide.

    Comment by i like america (f4c1e0) — 9/8/2008 @ 6:23 pm

  59. Oops did I post something with substance in it?

    google: ELINT

    Comment by i like america (f4c1e0) — 9/8/2008 @ 6:28 pm

  60. “i like america”, that’s what I thought, you are not paying any attention to what has already been long discussed on this blog. Well, no one should have any illusions since you’ve claimed the title of troll yourself.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 9/8/2008 @ 6:37 pm

  61. @SPQR

    Your discussions are irrelevant if they’re not based on fact.

    And if you think FISA is the scope of what I’m talking about, go ahead and think it. Whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy and informed.

    Comment by i like america (f4c1e0) — 9/8/2008 @ 6:43 pm

  62. Oh and for my own amusement, I’m going to clue you in .. I’m talking about various supercomputing efforts that were approved during *gasp* the Clinton years

    Yes, I said the Clinton years.

    .. back to trolling ..

    Comment by i like america (f4c1e0) — 9/8/2008 @ 6:47 pm

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