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	<title>Comments on: The Numbers Are In And They Are Stunning &#8212; Read&#8217;em And Weep Dems</title>
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		<title>By: enzo particco</title>
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		<dc:creator>enzo particco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mine is not a comment and I apologise, but I read the following:

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;#45 Why thank you b10621, but lets give credit where credit is due, everyone gives non-partisan points at Particco right? Anyone? Hello? Anyone? I hear crickets? They must be in my elitist head.
Comment by Oiram — 9/4/2008 @ 4:12 pm&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&quot; 

and I would be gratefull to &quot;Oiram&quot; or to any other who could explain who is the Particco he mention.
Since long time I&#039;m searching people with my rare family name. Sincerely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mine is not a comment and I apologise, but I read the following:</p>
<p><i><b>&#8220;#45 Why thank you b10621, but lets give credit where credit is due, everyone gives non-partisan points at Particco right? Anyone? Hello? Anyone? I hear crickets? They must be in my elitist head.<br />
Comment by Oiram — 9/4/2008 @ 4:12 pm</b></i>&#8221; </p>
<p>and I would be gratefull to &#8220;Oiram&#8221; or to any other who could explain who is the Particco he mention.<br />
Since long time I&#8217;m searching people with my rare family name. Sincerely.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re on the right track, Leviticus.  My internship was with the Cook County State&#039;s Attorney&#039;s Office.  My first paid &quot;law&quot; job was with the Chicago Crime Commission.  Neither kept me from doing criminal defense.  In fact, it helped me respect the &quot;people on the other side&quot; and everyone else in the system.

You just remember that it&#039;s not about you.  You do the job you were &quot;hired&quot; to do.  Keep your ears and eyes open.  You&#039;re there to learn, not to teach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re on the right track, Leviticus.  My internship was with the Cook County State&#8217;s Attorney&#8217;s Office.  My first paid &#8220;law&#8221; job was with the Chicago Crime Commission.  Neither kept me from doing criminal defense.  In fact, it helped me respect the &#8220;people on the other side&#8221; and everyone else in the system.</p>
<p>You just remember that it&#8217;s not about you.  You do the job you were &#8220;hired&#8221; to do.  Keep your ears and eyes open.  You&#8217;re there to learn, not to teach.</p>
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		<title>By: Leviticus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leviticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I shouldn&#039;t apply for an internship for fear that I may be assigned to (*gasp*) &lt;i&gt;a Republican&lt;/i&gt;?  It&#039;s not like there&#039;s any difference between the two parties, anyway...

And besides, my intention in taking an internship in the first place was to observe the whole process up close, and see whether or not it lives up to its abyssmal reputation.  Much of my schoolwork this semester is more journalism than poli sci.

Is curiosity an exclusively realist tendency?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I shouldn&#8217;t apply for an internship for fear that I may be assigned to (*gasp*) <i>a Republican</i>?  It&#8217;s not like there&#8217;s any difference between the two parties, anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>And besides, my intention in taking an internship in the first place was to observe the whole process up close, and see whether or not it lives up to its abyssmal reputation.  Much of my schoolwork this semester is more journalism than poli sci.</p>
<p>Is curiosity an exclusively realist tendency?</p>
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		<title>By: L.N. Smithee</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.N. Smithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leviticus wrote: &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;I had no choice in the matter, though I’m interested in interacting with members of the opposition party on a regular basis. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;No choice in the matter?&quot; When did interns become conscripted?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leviticus wrote:<br />
<blockquote><i>I had no choice in the matter, though I’m interested in interacting with members of the opposition party on a regular basis. </i></p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;No choice in the matter?&#8221; When did interns become conscripted?!</p>
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		<title>By: daleyrocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>daleyrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leviticus - From what I can see I&#039;m not sure I would attribute the same motivations to Obama and Palin as you so willing to do.  Obama&#039;s willingness to play in, profit from and return favors in the corrupt morass of Chicago politics to demonstrate he is a politician without principles and out purely for himself - power for power&#039;s sake.  Given ample opportunities to fight corruption or to say no to Machine Politics, so far he has always taken the low road and not bucked the system.  Those are things the national media does not want to investigate too deeply for fear of what they will find.

So far, all that has come out about Palin is a series of rapidly debunked smears on the internet, stories started by political enemies, and a lot of meaningless drivel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leviticus &#8211; From what I can see I&#8217;m not sure I would attribute the same motivations to Obama and Palin as you so willing to do.  Obama&#8217;s willingness to play in, profit from and return favors in the corrupt morass of Chicago politics to demonstrate he is a politician without principles and out purely for himself &#8211; power for power&#8217;s sake.  Given ample opportunities to fight corruption or to say no to Machine Politics, so far he has always taken the low road and not bucked the system.  Those are things the national media does not want to investigate too deeply for fear of what they will find.</p>
<p>So far, all that has come out about Palin is a series of rapidly debunked smears on the internet, stories started by political enemies, and a lot of meaningless drivel.</p>
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		<title>By: Apogee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apogee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leviticus - My point was that you have the process of determination backwards in relation to identifying the &#039;honest&#039; politician.

In order for a politician to &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; an office holder, they must run for office and &lt;i&gt;win&lt;/i&gt; (otherwise they&#039;re not an elected official, and thus cannot affect policy directly).

Restating it, by using the accretion of power as a measurement of intent regarding the politician seeking office, you are disqualifying anyone who qualifies, as the necessary electoral victory automatically accrues power for the winner, which you then use to discern the intentions of the politician.  It is a feedback loop that will frustrate you in what is actually an honorable quest.

Which brings us back to the original discussion.  I am interested in Palin&#039;s campaign because she has &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;done&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; the things that I wish to see our politicians attempting, and that is an increase in transparency and a decrease in wasteful spending.  The best method of determining a politician&#039;s intent is &lt;i&gt;watch what they do.&lt;/i&gt;

Good luck in your internship.  Please, please don&#039;t forget to comment about your experiences (preferably while they&#039;re happening), as I expect everyone here would be interested in your thoughts regarding the slaughterhouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leviticus &#8211; My point was that you have the process of determination backwards in relation to identifying the &#8216;honest&#8217; politician.</p>
<p>In order for a politician to <i>be</i> an office holder, they must run for office and <i>win</i> (otherwise they&#8217;re not an elected official, and thus cannot affect policy directly).</p>
<p>Restating it, by using the accretion of power as a measurement of intent regarding the politician seeking office, you are disqualifying anyone who qualifies, as the necessary electoral victory automatically accrues power for the winner, which you then use to discern the intentions of the politician.  It is a feedback loop that will frustrate you in what is actually an honorable quest.</p>
<p>Which brings us back to the original discussion.  I am interested in Palin&#8217;s campaign because she has <i><b>done</b></i> the things that I wish to see our politicians attempting, and that is an increase in transparency and a decrease in wasteful spending.  The best method of determining a politician&#8217;s intent is <i>watch what they do.</i></p>
<p>Good luck in your internship.  Please, please don&#8217;t forget to comment about your experiences (preferably while they&#8217;re happening), as I expect everyone here would be interested in your thoughts regarding the slaughterhouse.</p>
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		<title>By: Icy Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icy Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#107 was in reaction to #104</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#107 was in reaction to #104</p>
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		<title>By: Icy Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icy Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>. . . Says the one whose side has lost a wing, had an engine catch fire, and is spiraling in with no parachutes to save anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. . . Says the one whose side has lost a wing, had an engine catch fire, and is spiraling in with no parachutes to save anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: SPQR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPQR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yawner, Palin did 37 million with a stalled convention as lead in.  And she&#039;s only the VP nominee.

Another example where comparison between Palin and &lt;i&gt;Obama rather than Biden&lt;/i&gt; hurts Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yawner, Palin did 37 million with a stalled convention as lead in.  And she&#8217;s only the VP nominee.</p>
<p>Another example where comparison between Palin and <i>Obama rather than Biden</i> hurts Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Leviticus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leviticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Given your idealism, may I ask why??&quot;

- L.N. Smithee

I had no choice in the matter, though I&#039;m interested in interacting with members of the opposition party on a regular basis.  

Besides, it&#039;s not like there aren&#039;t idealists of all ideological stripes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Given your idealism, may I ask why??&#8221;</p>
<p>- L.N. Smithee</p>
<p>I had no choice in the matter, though I&#8217;m interested in interacting with members of the opposition party on a regular basis.  </p>
<p>Besides, it&#8217;s not like there aren&#8217;t idealists of all ideological stripes.</p>
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