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9/4/2008

Teleprompter Stories

Filed under: 2008 Election — DRJ @ 2:36 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

There can be little doubt about Sarah Palin’s poise under pressure after last night’s speech but, if you have any last doubts, this Fox News report should put them to rest:

“The Alaska governor overcame several glitches and technical problems to deliver her speech without getting flustered, impressing McCain and his staff and allowing them to breathe a sigh of relief.

Foremost of the obstacles, Palin’s teleprompter was not working properly. When she took the podium, the machine rolled so quickly, it often skipped the first line or two of every paragraph on screen. The operator said he had new equipment and wasn’t sure how it would work.

However, Palin also went on stage with a slightly outdated hard copy of her speech. For various unexplained reasons, she and her closest advisers had an old draft on hand, and even had a hard time furnishing one of those for her to use. Several of the drafts were scribbled on, so one aide gave Palin a wrinkled, folded copy out of his pocket.

Officials said Palin responded in mom-like fashion, concluding, “Well, I suppose I could put a book on it and smooth it out a little.”

During one part of her speech, she couldn’t see the teleprompter because signs were blocking it. That was when she ad-libbed a line about the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull — “lipstick.”

Compare Palin’s speech with Barack Obama’s “uh” count and his rhetoric and delivery when he speaks without a teleprompter.

— DRJ

152 Responses to “Teleprompter Stories”

  1. This is exactly why I can’t wait for the debates. Palin will do well against Biden (he’s an attack dog but she’ll handle it) and McCain will cream Obama.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  2. Well the glitches explain why her speech seemed stilted to me — people say her speech was amazing, but to me it looked like she was having trouble reading it off the teleprompter. The fact that she had a REASON to be having trouble reading it is reassuring.

    As for this comparison to Obama, it doesn’t work. Obama’s “uhs” are clearly a product of him thinking about what he’s going to say, in response to questions posed on the fly. His flub in the second video was obviously him losing his stream of though because he was tired.

    There’s a huge difference between improvising a joke you’ve told a hundred times in order to fill space between teleprompter lines (Palin’s lipstick joke), and actually taking questions or speaking without a script. Reading a speech of any kind is an entirely different mental experience from the 10,000-feet-up-without-a-parachute feeling you get speaking extemporaneously in front of a large audience.

    Not that Palin isn’t a good extemporaneously speaker; I have no idea whether or not she is, yet.

    In that vein, anybody going to watch Obama on the O’Reilly Factor tonight?

    Phil (6d9f2f)

  3. Nazh, the bounce is actually a reverse-bounce from what I can tell, so far. Obama was running at 47-50, McCain at 40-45 in the past couple weeks.

    Now they’re tied at 42; that means that, at best, some Obama voters have been shaken off into the “undecided” category.

    There’s still plenty of time for a bounce for McCain, though. Maybe the independants are waiting for his speech tonight.

    Phil (6d9f2f)

  4. Since The One IS an empty suit, and has no core beliefs except ones the American public would walk away from him over, he has to stumble about to come up with something he thinks he can sell without losing every bit of support he enjoys.

    As always, Dems can’t tell us what they truly believe in.
    If they did, they would get no support at all.

    Another Drew (67986d)

  5. By the way, did anyone notice the slick little reference Palin made to Harry Truman? A vice president who (1) just happened to take over the presidency after his superior died in office, and (2) is the only human being on earth to have used and atomic weapon against human beings. And for Harry, one wasn’t enough — he had to use two.

    That’s some marvelous foreshadowing there.

    Phil (6d9f2f)

  6. Republican technical and secretarial incompetence is proof they’re ready to (continue) leading? I guess you can look at it that way.

    SEK (072055)

  7. Life brings difficulties, SEK. As George Bush learned, victory goes to the ones who adapt … not the ones who forfeit.

    Maybe this is a good time to mention that Obama finally admits the surge succeeded in ways “nobody anticipated” and “beyond our wildest dreams.”

    DRJ (7568a2)

  8. She seems to be cool and to have scaled up her political experience the the national stage without a hitch. The British Parliamentary system gives them training in rough and tumble debate. In our system, we tend to get blowhards like Biden and Obama. The rare exceptions, and I think she may be one, are born, not made.

    Mike K (6d4fc3)

  9. I would rather have an “UM” speech with substance like Obama’s, then a speech recited by Palin but written by G.W.Bush’s writers……and read off a teleprompter.

    I want change, not McSame.

    Oiram (983921)

  10. Apparently the Phil-Troll isn’t getting enough fresh fruit.

    Old Coot (62fd89)

  11. The teleprompter was being used to force the pace of all the speakers last night. The one who was hurt worst was Romney, followed by Huckabee with Giuliani having a natural fast pacing that minimized the effect. I’ve never heard Romney speak so poorly and I’ve never heard Huckabee have to push his delivery so hard.

    It would be rather remarkable if Palin actually had a problem with a fast scroll given that she was a sportscaster for a bit – like Dutch.

    Rick Ballard (0a8990)

  12. “with substance like Obama’s”

    Try a half and half mix of bran and oats. Two pounds daily will give you what you’re looking for. I’d suggest getting up a little earlier every day though. Running that much substance through the system tends to clog it a little.

    Rick Ballard (0a8990)

  13. Hey Rick #12, what did Palin tell you as far as fixing our economy woes?

    I mean she was a great Obama attack dog, that much we know. But I still don’t know what McCain will do, no one really told us last night.

    Hopefully McCain does tonight.

    Oiram (983921)

  14. To me, it is interesting to keep seeing how Senator Obama is treated differently (and much more understandingly) by the MSM. Here is a bit from Slate on Governor Palin’s speech:

    It was a great act—but it was an act, a one-shot show. Palin will have to keep it up for the next nine weeks, when there won’t be time to practice or the opportunity to sand down that line to keep it from sounding small and mean. This is a test Obama has already passed.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2199250/

    Would that “test” that Senator Obama passed include the “Wasilly” crack? Misrepresenting Governor Palin’s experience?

    Or does Mr. Dickerson mean some of the earlier gaffes that Michelle Malkin lists here:

    http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/21/barack-obama-gaffe-machine/

    Maybe Mr. Dickerson only wants to consider “mean spirited” comments by Senator Obama. Like this comment from the Senator’s campaign, just after Governor Palin was selected:

    “Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency.”

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/24322

    I guess that wasn’t “sanded down” very well.

    Senator Obama, I think, has been playing “good cop / bad cop” with his staff. So either he approves of all this nonsense, or he has no control over his staff.

    I also don’t think that Senator Obama is anywhere near as polished and careful a speaker as his MSM supporters seem to think.

    We’ll see.

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  15. Oiram…
    Pay attention…
    Veeps are the attack dogs;
    Prez’ do the policy thingy.

    Another Drew (67986d)

  16. “what did Palin tell you as far as fixing our economy woes?”

    I have never in my life considered it the President’s nor the Congresses’ job to try and “fix” the economy. I watched Carter add flub after flub to those made by Nixon in adding to the horrendous errors made by Johnson and was quite taken by Reagan’s promise to try and get the government the hell out of the way. I hope hope that McCain say less about the economy tonight than Palin did last night.

    BTW 3.3% GDP growth constitutes “economic woe” only to complete dunces.

    Rick Ballard (0a8990)

  17. As per usual…….. the kool aid flows in this room.

    Only Dunces don’t recognize that the U.S. currently has economic problems.

    Have you looked at the national Debt Rick? No, you must only listen to Rush Limbaugh telling you about Growth in the GDP and basing all the marbles on just that.

    Gas prices Rick? You o.k. with that?

    Foreclosure? No?

    Weakened Dollar? No?

    Hmmmmmmmm……..

    Maybe McCain can fix them, I don’t know.

    Hopefully he’s not a dunce and doesn’t recognize problems.

    Oh wait, he doesn’t know that he owns 9 homes. And of course is married to a beer heiress.

    No Economic woes there.

    Oiram (983921)

  18. #15, Another Drew, I am paying attention. Did you pay attention to Biden’s speech last week?

    Of course “Veeps are the attack dogs;
    Prez’ do the policy thingy.” as you put it.

    But here is one excerpt from Biden’s speech. I know a week is a long time so you probably forgot this part.

    You probably wont read it, none of you might not, but it does say what OBAMA will do. Not just attacks like Palin.

    EXCERPT FROM BIDEN ACCEPTANCE SPEECH AT DNC.

    Barack Obama will deliver that change. Barack Obama will reform our tax code. He’ll cut taxes for 95 percent of the American people who draw a paycheck. That’s the change we need.

    Barack Obama will transform our economy by making alternative energy a genuine national priority, creating 5 million new jobs and finally freeing us from the grip of foreign oil. That’s the change we need.

    Barack Obama knows that any country that out-teaches us today will out-compete us tomorrow. He’ll invest in the next generation of teachers. He’ll make college more affordable. That’s the change we need.

    Barack Obama will bring down health care costs by $2,500 for the typical family, and, at long last, deliver affordable, accessible health care for all Americans. That’s the change we need.

    Barack Obama will put more cops on the streets, put the “security” back in Social Security and never give up until we achieve equal pay for women. That’s the change we need.

    THANK YOU FOR READING

    Oiram (983921)

  19. Palin mentioned drilling and that’s a fine example of getting government out of the way. Oil prices have fallen over $35 since Bush first mentioned drilling but there’s still room for improvement.

    I really have zero sympathy or interest regarding foreclosure. None for the idiots in the banks who disregarded standards in order to make bad loans nor for the people who lied their way into mortgages they could not afford. It isn’t the governments job to bail out either side.

    The “weakened” dollar is the reason that exports have been able to maintain their growth. The Eurozone is heading into a real recession due in part to “strong” euro policies backed by a level of debt which makes that of the US risible in comparison.

    You know how to spout talking points, Mario, but you are absolutely clueless concerning the points which you think you are making. And it really does show. Honest.

    Rick Ballard (0a8990)

  20. Is it a depression, recession. or a growing economy, Oiram?

    JD (5f0e11)

  21. It’s growing marginally from an unrecognized state of recession.

    Oiram (983921)

  22. Gas prices Rick? You o.k. with that?

    Foreclosure? No?

    Ask our “never drill Congress” about gas prices. I hope McCain, with Sarah egging him on, runs against Congress. Harry Truman did well with it in 1948. Time to try it again.

    As for foreclosure, why not ask Veep vetter Jim Johnson, and Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick about Countrywide? Maybe Dodd could chime in on how to get a cheap mortgage. There is blame to go around but the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fiascoes are due to Congress meddling in the market.

    Let’s research Congress’ actions threatening banks and loan brokers who did not lend to favored groups in inner cities. Who got the “liar loans” ?

    I think Bush bears some blame for cheap money but the big mortgage fiasco has D stamped all over it.

    Mike K (f89cb3)

  23. Phil –

    By the way, did anyone notice the slick little reference Palin made to Harry Truman? A vice president who (1) just happened to take over the presidency after his superior died in office, and (2) is the only human being on earth to have used and atomic weapon against human beings

    — BTW, Phil, did you notice that the reason why she referenced him is because of his humble origins and principled approach to governance? and how he rebelled against corrupt members of his own party? and how she is the same way?

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  24. And the Dems made fun of her because she was a weekend TV sportscaster for a while before she and Todd started their family. But she has a degree in journalism (and political science). She’s used a teleprompter before, and doubtless been confronted before with them not working right. They do have TV stations in Alaska, and she has been regularly in the news there for the last four-plus years. Why did the Dems just discount all of that to zero and assume she’d be a stumbling, blathering moron?

    Could they not imagine that Sarah Palin has packed a wide range of experiences into her 44 years? It’s a huge mistake to assume that just because they occurred, for the most part, outside the Continental 48 states, those experiences count for less.

    I will forgive them for not guessing that — just as importantly — when it comes to communicating, connecting with people, she’s a natural. I don’t know what the statistical odds are, but it’s way less than “one in a million,” because that would mean we have 23 of her here in Texas alone, and I’m pretty sure we don’t.

    She’s a reader. She’s always been a reader. Yeah, when she was a city councilman, and mayor, and now governor, her job duties haven’t required her to express public opinions about, for example, whether it’s a good idea for Georgia and the Ukraine to become members of NATO, or suppression of malaria through distribution of mosquito nets in sub-Saharan Africa. After last night, are you still going to assume she knows nothing about those topics, though, and that she can’t possibly speak and debate knowledgeably about them?

    I have a strong, strong hunch that we’re all of us far from done being surprised by Sarah Palin.

    Beldar (aec07e)

  25. It’s growing marginally from an unrecognized state of recession.

    So you finally admit that it is growing.

    Progress!

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  26. “Unrecognized state of recession”?

    Is that one of the 57 states Obama has visited?

    Karl (1b4668)

  27. My female boss was funny–she said Sarah had ruined it for working mothers everywhere. Sarah can raise five kids, breastfeed, shoot a moose for dinner, and run the State of Alaska on the side!

    No more whining about hubby not helping with the dishes, ladies. :)

    Patricia (ee5c9d)

  28. Only Moiran could call it “an unrecognized state of recession” – he must have missed the countless screechings of the MSM over the past three years, when every headline about the economy was “terrible, but never mind the numbers we’re quoting.”

    Dmac (874677)

  29. Is Phil recycling that attack against Truman again? I guess he’s truly disappointed that we didn’t have a million more casualties than we ended up with in WW-2, plus he’s probably crushed that we didn’t kill another 5M Japanese.

    Oiram…
    No, I didn’t watch Biden’s bloviations, for I knew that you and others would give me the high-points, the rest I could find on a Google search – looking down the list to who he stole it from.

    But, I did hear Gov. Palin say how “John McCain will….”.
    There was quite a bit of that, usually wrapped up in how DC needs to be reformed.
    Energy, National Security, Appropriations…
    There was a lot of that.

    And just what is an unrecognized state of recession?
    Is that when a quarter’s rate of growth is between 0.1 and 1.0%, but then rebounds unmistakenly, if inconveniently for you and your soulmates at the DNC?

    Another Drew (67986d)

  30. #19, Rick, “Mario”? sorry about the dyslexia dude.

    What cracks me up is for years now since gas prices have been going up all I hear from the Right Wing Oil company defenders is that it’s “Supply and Demand” that’s all. “Supply and Demand!” they spouted at me as I was of course blaming Bush (Too easy to do).

    Well now oil prices are still high, but they have come down right?

    You Rick, want to give credit to “Drilling”! That’s funny, because you don’t thing “Supply and Demand” had something to do with it?

    Have you seen how much we’ve driving less since the beginning of this year….. long before Bush asked there to be no regulations on offshore drilling????

    I’m not going to waste my finger strength on the rest of your lame comment.

    I do have one finger for you though 😉

    Oiram (983921)

  31. Patricia…He cooks the moose!

    Another Drew (67986d)

  32. Dmac, when I say “unrecognized” I mean by the Bush administration and his Kool Aid Drinking supporters.

    Oiram (983921)

  33. Life brings difficulties, SEK. As George Bush learned, victory goes to the ones who adapt … not the ones who forfeit.

    Except it wasn’t “life,” but Republican technical experts and her own staff. If her staff can’t handle the basics, which “bring current copy of the most important speech of their employer’s career,” that says something.

    Also, I emailed this to Patrick, but you might be interested too: the voter registration records for every state, which I wasn’t able to find anywhere.

    SEK (072055)

  34. Oiram…
    Again, try to pay attention:
    Traders bid up the price of oil when they think that supply will not keep up with future demand levels (it is a futures’ market, after all).
    When a major producer of oil (the USA – through its’ Chief Executive Officer) announces that there will be a change in government policy allowing expanded drilling (you have to drill for oil, before you can add it to the supply), those traders then think that there will probably not be the short-fall in supply that they were anticipating, and they start hedging on those future’s contracts, and the price starts to drop.
    Supply and Demand.
    It might just be in someone’s head, but the market reacts. After all, only about 5% of any of these traders actually take possession of the oil they bid on – they’re just playing craps at a table.

    Another Drew (67986d)

  35. “Have you seen how much we’ve driving less since the beginning of this year….. long before Bush asked there to be no regulations on offshore drilling????”

    Yes.

    And how the price kept climbing all the way until the day after Bush issued his executive order.

    That’s six months of reduced demand prior to any sustained drop.

    If you flip it around, you don’t see any such asinine ‘six month lag’ in the Supply Side. Refinery fire – instant spike. Pipeline down unexpectedly – instant spike. Hurricanes – instant spike.

    Al (b624ac)

  36. Why yes, Oiram, supply and demand do play some part in it. When Russia, Iran and Venezuela teamed up after the Saudi’s announced they were going to rest Ghawar for a year or so, they did take actions which limited production for a sufficient time to drive the spot market up. Bush’s announcement made the probability of such a move succeeding in the future somewhat less and the futures market reacted. When the CFTC completes its investigation into the futures market manipulations we’ll get some idea of the relative weight of the production restrictions versus the role of speculators. That will happen within about a year so there’s plenty of time for you to hire a remedial tutor and try and derive a basic understanding of some of the words which you manage to type.

    Rick Ballard (0a8990)

  37. #30 – Oiram

    I’m not going to waste my finger strength on the rest of your lame comment. I do have one finger for you though

    — And you know what you have to pull it out of, in order to use it.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  38. You Rick, want to give credit to “Drilling”! That’s funny, because you don’t thing “Supply and Demand” had something to do with it?

    Man, what a tin ear.

    The price went up because speculators looked at the moratorium on drilling and the uncertainty of foreign supply (high demand – threat of low supply.)

    The price started coming down in large part because Bush rescinded the executive order on offshore drilling (promise of increased supply.)

    So the promise of drilling affected supply and demand.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  39. Al has just figured out how oil futures work.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  40. I just found a great link over at Professor Bainbridge’s place that made me laugh. Basically, it was about that TIME magazine piece suggesting that, as VP, Sarah Palin would either neglect her family or the job.

    The response was priceless. Best line:

    I am tempted to point out that Bill Clinton managed to carry on his hobbies, which also involved young people, though in a different way, quite actively in the White House. Given that the VP chair is less demanding, however, it seems likely a VP Palin would be able to do so as well. You just have to be well organized. Or perhaps the difference is that Clinton was in no danger of procreating.

    http://rightcoast.typepad.com/rightcoast/2008/09/mom-palin-shoul.html

    That was a nice way to end the workday!

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  41. An unrecognized state of recession?

    Do explain. This should be good.

    JD (5f0e11)

  42. Why did the Dems just discount all of that to zero and assume she’d be a stumbling, blathering moron?

    They’ve seen Obama when he’s off the teleprompter?

    Rob Crawford (b5d1c2)

  43. This just in – 51% believe Palin’s getting royally screwed by the press:

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/09/51-say-reporters-are-trying-to-hurt.html

    BTW, that survey was taken before her speech last night – I hope to hell the MSM keeps this up, right until election eve.

    Dmac (874677)

  44. A Politico reporter said a convention planner said there was no glitch, and the reporter said he didn’t notice anything either:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/The_teleprompter_did_not_break.html

    A correction (52a898)

  45. Why are the Republicans so hell-bent on perpetuating the fear factor? Seriously, they just got done showing a tape of fear, hatred, and Jihadis coming to kill us – at the convention. WHY -WHY – WHY? Is this their only way to reach vulnerable people, by striking fear into their hearts?
    I’m sick and tired of this – AMERICA IS NOT LIKE THIS!!! WAR DOES NOT BRING RESOLVE – IT ONLY FUELS HATRED AND DIVIDES THIS COUNTRY EVEN DEEPER! It only provides a base of support amongst those who are bringing babies into this world and want a safer place for them and their own SELF-INTERESTS!
    No more hellfire and brimstone autocracy. The reign of the lord’s prayer is done.
    Free-thinkers unite!

    Daniel (910f86)

  46. Well there you go. If a reporter did not notice it, it did not happen.

    JD (5f0e11)

  47. Daniel – You are an idiot.

    JD (5f0e11)

  48. So Daniel, feel better?

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  49. Lindsey Graham is a terrible speaker. His voice is nasal, his talking points are bland, and he tries to sound like a country boy (by using words like “ain’t”) but it comes across as an act instead of something authentic. Fortunately most people are watching football. In fact, I’d rather watch high school football than this.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  50. #44 – Daniel

    Free-thinkers unite!

    — Does he realize that what he wrote is an oxymoron?

    Does he realize that he is an oxy- . . .

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  51. DRJ – If Graham had been picked for VP, I would have voted for Baracky.

    JD (5f0e11)

  52. Methinks DRJ has a burr in regards to Sen. Graham.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  53. JD – Traitorist!

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  54. DRJ, there’s an NFL game on right now, on NBC.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  55. Republican technical and secretarial incompetence is proof they’re ready to (continue) leading?

    I’m pretty sure the guy running the teleprompter won’t be on the National Security Council, SEK.

    Sheesh, what a lame criticism

    Steverino (1dda08)

  56. Cindy McCain is an impressive lady.

    JD (5f0e11)

  57. “Is this their only way to reach vulnerable people…”

    I think you’re referring to yourself, “Daniel,” since you appear to be quite vulnerable in your cranial activity.

    But do come back and let us know the results of that blood test, OK?

    Dmac (874677)

  58. Cindy McCain is an impressive lady.

    I happened to check out the live convention feed, and watch her speak for a few minutes (after that fawning, revisionist history syrup purporting to be a biographical video). She can’t read a teleprompter to save her life.

    She seems to have a big heart — and I’d probably have become a drug addict, too, if I was trying to save the world all the time like she has.

    But she’s no public speaker. She makes Palin look like a master thespian. If the other Republicans are as bad as she is, no wonder they thought Palin was great.

    Phil (3b1633)

  59. No cheap shot goes unused by Phil.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  60. The speech had very little content, yet it was full of lies. Case in point: if you make under $600,000, Obama will lower your taxes more than McCain.

    But still, that was a gorgeous speech … credit where credit is due, Palin rocked

    yawner (f4c1e0)

  61. Phil – You are a really foul little man, aren’t you?

    JD (5f0e11)

  62. SPQR, don’t you find it amusing that Phil, who has demonstrated sheer ignorance on a variety of subjects, is now declaring himself the arbiter of public speaking?

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  63. yawner – Is it fun to just lie? Baracky’s actions show that lowering taxes ain’t gonna happen. Just last year he voted to raise taxes on people making $38,000 and over. His promises to cut taxes for people that do not pay taxes already rings kind of hollow. I do believe him when he states that he will tax the holy hell out of the successful.

    JD (5f0e11)

  64. Is this their only way to reach vulnerable people, by striking fear into their hearts?

    Like “they will take away abortion, starve the old, and destroy the planet”? That sort of fear mongering?

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  65. Paul, I’m easily amused.

    People like Phil are going to win the election for McCain / Palin. A new voter for McCain each time he comments.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  66. The speech had very little content, yet it was full of lies.

    Care to tell us what hose lies were?

    Case in point: if you make under $600,000, Obama will lower your taxes more than McCain.

    Oh, really? Care to offer proof of such a claim?

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  67. Yawner is just another incompetent Obama cultist repeating the constant theme from the Obama campaign: that all their critics are liars … but they just can’t quite find specifics about what it is that they are lying about when challenged.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  68. SPQR, come on, she doesn’t have to let herself be exploited by the Republican party to make McCain look like something he’s not. If she’s going to pretend she’s part of the perfect, happy, fairy-tale family in order to win him votes, she’s fair game for people who want to point out the simple truth that the Republicans are trying to deny.

    Namely that she’s John’s second wife, and when she met him (a meeting romanticized by the convention propaganda video) he was still married, and she tore apart his marriage. He utterly screwed over his first wife.

    It also completely ignored the fact that she was a drug addict who illegally obtained drugs and got a free pass from a system that normally scapegoats such people (putting them in jail for years), because she happens to have a bunch of money.

    Do I hold her past against her? No — like I said, she’s got a big heart. But she’s letting herself be exploited, and she’s fair game for such criticism if she wants to pretend her past doesn’t exist in order to help her husband get elected.

    Phil (3b1633)

  69. SPQR: yup.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  70. No — like I said, she’s got a big heart. But she’s letting herself be exploited, and she’s fair game for such criticism if she wants to pretend her past doesn’t exist in order to help her husband get elected.

    Well then, Phil has just declared Michelle Obama in play!

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  71. Phil, you are just making yourself look more like an ass. Sliming McCain for his failed marriage in the aftermath of his time in captivity just makes you look like the slimebag we know you to be.

    Good job.

    I figure that comment of yours was good for 1 1/2 to 2 new McCain voters.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  72. letting herself be exploited

    — Speaking of “letting”, how about you let it go, Phil?

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  73. Jingoistic godbotherers

    JD (5f0e11)

  74. Paul, I hardly have to declare Michelle Obama in play — she’s been torn apart by Republicans since day one.

    Take Cindy McCain’s smarmy comment “I’ve ALWAYS been proud of my country.” Yeah, I’d be proud of my country too if it ignored my moral failings, while jailing minorities for decades for the same crimes.

    A inner-city black male would literally be locked up for years, and never be able to vote again, for doing exactly what Cindy McCain did — and most Republicans would cheer. Yet they can’t understand why Michelle Obama might be a little less proud of her country than Cindy McCain.

    Phil (3b1633)

  75. Paul, Prof. Paul Caron shows a chart that says yawner if full of it. Note that Caron is rather obviously not a McCain fan.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  76. Phil, by the way, your claim that minorities are jailed for “decades” for doing the same as Cindy McCain is flat out false.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  77. I’m pretty sure the guy running the teleprompter won’t be on the National Security Council, SEK.

    Sheesh, what a lame criticism

    Yes, it’s lame to point out that a campaign which claims to “focus on the details” doesn’t seem to, you know, focus on the details. Anyway, that’s not the grandest of complaints, just the one that’s apropos. It seems like a backhanded compliment to talk about a candidate’s ability to overcome her staff’s incompentence.

    SEK (072055)

  78. Racist Phil just got five more votes for McCain.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  79. SEK, never learned the first rule of holes, did ya?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  80. Yes, it’s lame to point out that a campaign which claims to “focus on the details” doesn’t seem to, you know, focus on the details.

    So you’ve never had technology fail on you? Never have anyone make a mistake around you?

    You’ve led a lucky life.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  81. Fuck off, Phil. Your narrative is so devoid of context so as to make it meaningless.

    JD (5f0e11)

  82. Phil –

    they can’t understand why Michelle Obama might be a little less proud of her country than Cindy McCain.

    — Michelle Obama-ma-ma-belle™ isn’t proud of her country at all.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  83. We just want to kill, jail, and oppress brown people, right Phil?

    JD (5f0e11)

  84. My god Phil, you really are a low class prick devoid of anything meaningful to spew out of your hole. Like you know anything about what goes on in a large urban criminal justice system. Get a fucking clue you raging idiot.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  85. SEK, never learned the first rule of holes, did ya?

    You mean, “They’ll be stuffed by the lowest bidder with the cheapest material available and resurface a day later”? Because yes, I know that rule.

    So you’ve never had technology fail on you? Never have anyone make a mistake around you?

    Yes, in a classroom whose interface I was unfamiliar with, risking embarrassment in front of 150 students. Had the audience been 37 million strong, and had the speech been the most important of my political career, I think I’d have been a little more, you know, on top of things.

    SEK (072055)

  86. SEK says “TELEPROMPTERGATE is the end of the McCain campaign!”

    SPQR (26be8b)

  87. Hey, SEK, how are your glutes?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  88. SEK says “TELEPROMPTERGATE is the end of the McCain campaign!”

    Hyperbolize much?

    SEK (072055)

  89. SEK, its called parody, not hyperbole. You might try buying a newer dictionary.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  90. “However, Palin also went on stage with a slightly outdated hard copy of her speech. For various unexplained reasons, she and her closest advisers had an old draft on hand, and even had a hard time furnishing one of those for her to use. Several of the drafts were scribbled on, so one aide gave Palin a wrinkled, folded copy out of his pocket.”

    And you jackasses are proud of this?

    You.Have.Got.To.Be.Kidding.

    I have no experience in preparing for such an epic speech but I at least would know enough to carry an updated copy with me to the podium.

    What a bunch of losers the GOP has become. The party of excuses.

    jharp (ef54fc)

  91. Oh look! The court jester has arrived.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  92. SEK, its called parody, not hyperbole. You might try buying a newer dictionary.

    What were you parodying? Wait, I get it, you were parodying me for pointing something out.

    SEK (072055)

  93. Had the audience been 37 million strong, and had the speech been the most important of my political career, I think I’d have been a little more, you know, on top of things.

    Never worked in the broadcast industry, have you?

    If everything always worked perfectly and no one ever made a mistake, YouTube wouldn’t exist.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  94. I have no experience in preparing for such an epic speech

    That’s obvious.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  95. jharp, when Palin throws the speechwriter under the bus with “That is not the speechwriter I knew”, you might have a point.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  96. Never worked in the broadcast industry, have you?

    You’re absolutely right. Never having worked in the broadcast industry, I’m totally unfit to say that her (and her staff) forgetting to bring the most recent copy of the most important speech of her life indicates she might not be ready for prime-time.

    SEK (072055)

  97. “Wait, I get it,”
    Glad to hear someone who teaches has such rapidly firing neurons. The future is clearly in strong hands.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  98. I see that jharp brought along an apprentice.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  99. It’s telling how badly the Left got their asses waxed when the only criticism they can offer is nitpicking.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  100. And in tones that reveal what sniveling, sanctimonious douchebags they’re prone to being.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  101. Hmmm, that noise you heard was jharp moving another woman from undecided to McCain/Palin column.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  102. Never having worked in the broadcast industry, I’m totally unfit to say that her (and her staff) forgetting to bring the most recent copy of the most important speech of her life indicates she might not be ready for prime-time.

    That’s right, since that is a technique your side uses constantly. So stop whining and obey your own side’s standards.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  103. Glad to hear someone who teaches has such rapidly firing neurons.

    As I’m glad to hear someone who comments on the internet can differentiate between a substantial critique and a minor quibble. Wait a minute, no you —

    It’s telling how badly the Left got their asses waxed when the only criticism they can offer is nitpicking.

    I’m not nitpicking, I’m merely being topical. Palin’s enough of a target on her own merits — I’m just responding to the irony of RNC incompetence being used as evidence of a Republican candidate’s worth.

    SEK (072055)

  104. Seriously, someone needs to do a probe of Kos and Media Matters to see if they’re engaging in subliminal programming. How else do all of these bots simultaneously jump on the same desperate smear?

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  105. That’s right, since that is a technique your side uses constantly. So stop whining and obey your own side’s standards.

    The referent of “that” is a wee vague. What is “that” technique, exactly? Pointing out fairly obvious truths? Because honestly, lots of people on my side of the aisle are idiotic pricks … as are many on yours. Should I lump you in with them sight unseen?

    SEK (072055)

  106. I’m not nitpicking, I’m merely being topical.

    Ah yes, the Leftist technique of redefining by using different words.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  107. The referent of “that” is a wee vague.

    What, are you telling me you are unable to comprehend your own statement you wrote, and my response to it?

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  108. SEK —

    I’m just responding to the irony of RNC incompetence being used as evidence of a Republican candidate’s worth.

    — You wouldn’t even be discussing this subject without someone else bringing it up. You didn’t notice anything until it was pointed out to you.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  109. SEK – You used to be rational.

    JD (5f0e11)

  110. Ah yes, the Leftist technique of redefining by using different words.

    If you’ll remove your head from … its position parallel to your monitor, you’d realize that I’m not redefining anything. The post to which I’ve responded is about Palin’s ability to overcome the technical shortcomings of her staff and RNC production people. I pointed out that the unpreparedness of her staff and the incompetence of the RNC production people doesn’t exactly inspire faith.

    That is being “topical,” i.e. responding to the topic first broached by DRJ. So what exactly am I redefining here?

    SEK (072055)

  111. #111:

    Well, that answers that question.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  112. Technical aspects of a large scale production like a convention can and often do go wrong. Human oversight by someone who should have been “on task” is no doubt a sign that someone was not playing their role appropriately. So what would have been better? Should Palin have been captured profanely reaming someone out for screwing up and then walking on stage in a huff and saying “Let me tell you what this IDIOT did!!!” I’m sure that would satisfy Mr. Literati Scotty Kramer to no end. It would just kill you to acknowledge that under pressure she dealt with the matter at hand and delivered? Had the same thing happened to Obama I’m sure we’d be hearing about the incompetence of the DNC, right Scotty-boy?

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  113. That is being “topical,” i.e. responding to the topic first broached by DRJ.

    Well then, since you are being topical, how about addressing this line from DRJ:

    Compare Palin’s speech with Barack Obama’s “uh” count and his rhetoric and delivery when he speaks without a teleprompter.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  114. What, are you telling me you are unable to comprehend your own statement you wrote, and my response to it?

    Your response to it referred to a “that,” but you didn’t indicate what “that” was. To refresh, I said:

    Never having worked in the broadcast industry, I’m totally unfit to say that her (and her staff) forgetting to bring the most recent copy of the most important speech of her life indicates she might not be ready for prime-time.

    You responded:

    That’s right, since that is a technique your side uses constantly. So stop whining and obey your own side’s standards.

    I’m still curious as to what “technique” I employed. Enlighten me.

    You wouldn’t even be discussing this subject without someone else bringing it up. You didn’t notice anything until it was pointed out to you.

    I think that was implicit in my responding to the post. I mean, what my “responding” to “the post” and all.

    You used to be rational.

    Still am. Potato football gabba gabba hay with broccoli au gratis please.

    SEK (072055)

  115. Oh, John! He just tore the Messiah a new one.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  116. I think that was implicit in my responding to the post. I mean, what my “responding” to “the post” and all.

    — My point is that you didn’t think there was anything wrong with it until somebody told you there was something wrong with it.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  117. Well, that answers that question.

    You’re dodging the question, Paul. How, exactly, does my being “topical” constitute a redefining of terms? I’ll keep badgering you until you admit I’ve redefined nothing.

    So what would have been better? Should Palin have been captured profanely reaming someone out for screwing up and then walking on stage in a huff and saying “Let me tell you what this IDIOT did!!!” I’m sure that would satisfy Mr. Literati Scotty Kramer to no end. It would just kill you to acknowledge that under pressure she dealt with the matter at hand and delivered? Had the same thing happened to Obama I’m sure we’d be hearing about the incompetence of the DNC, right Scotty-boy?

    The conversation you’re having with me in your head? Not exactly rational. (For you to be having a conversation with me in your head, for one, and for you being so irrational in it, for another.)

    My point wasn’t about Palin’s response to her staff and the RNC crew’s incompetence, but to the incompetence itself. Don’t believe me? Try reading my original comment again and then we can continue this conversation. (“This” meaning the one we’re having, not the one you’re having with me in your head.)

    SEK (072055)

  118. I pointed out that the unpreparedness of her staff and the incompetence of the RNC production people doesn’t exactly inspire faith.

    SEK – Trenchant analysis it was. Surely the incident spells doom for a McCain/Palin Administration should they be elected, I guess, if that is the lack of faith you are implying. Nevermind the teleprompter operator saying it was new and unfamiliar equipment.

    You are getting more and more ridiculous. Maybe you should head back to Protein Wisdom so they can spank you harder than they did a couple of days ago.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  119. America is in danger because of the TELEPROMPTER Gap!

    SPQR (26be8b)

  120. My point is that you didn’t think there was anything wrong with it until somebody told you there was something wrong with it.

    Who told me something was wrong with it? Wait, did I miss my marching orders? Are DRJ and Foxnews my new superiors?

    SEK (072055)

  121. I’m still curious as to what “technique” I employed. Enlighten me.

    You used?

    Go back and read both statements again.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  122. Wait, did I miss my marching orders? Are DRJ and Foxnews my new superiors?

    — Consider them your diving board. The decision to leap into the deep end is all yours.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  123. Could be worse, he could be like most of the Obama cultists and be getting their talking points from Offshore …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  124. Surely the incident spells doom for a McCain/Palin Administration should they be elected, I guess, if that is the lack of faith you are implying. Nevermind the teleprompter operator saying it was new and unfamiliar equipment.

    You must be getting desperate, because this is thin gruel indeed. I’m not saying — “not” meaning “in the negative” — that this is a major scandal. Far from it. I just find it amusing that bumbling is being used to sell a candidate. No more.

    You are getting more and more ridiculous. Maybe you should head back to Protein Wisdom so they can spank you harder than they did a couple of days ago.

    I forgot this was a playground. Also, I forgot that I got spanked, hard or otherwise. I was corrected, yes, about the issue of adoption, but that’s about it. I suppose if you think about these things like a fourth-grader, though, the world’ll seem like a playground.

    SEK (072055)

  125. You’re right, Paul. You were accusing me of being honest instead of mouthing nonsense. Of course, you were doing so in an attempt to misdirect attention from what I said and smear me by association, but still …

    SEK (072055)

  126. You’re right, Paul. You were accusing me of being honest instead of mouthing nonsense. Of course, you were doing so in an attempt to misdirect attention from what I said and smear me by association, but still …

    Uh, yeah.

    Whatever you say.

    If you were any more obtuse, you’d be a triangle.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  127. You’re the one making shit up, Scotty. The post states that Palin showed “poise under pressure” merely remarking that the manner in which she handled the situation at hand. a disaster of epic proportion or merely a flub depending on how you wish to interpret it, the interpretation put forth is that she was capable of handling a difficult situation. Where is it stated in any sweeping terms anything to the effect of, “clearly this indicates that the party to which Palin belongs deserves to retain power at the executive level?” All that comes across from you is that yes you are indeed nitpicking for any chance to reveal your disdain for that party and to use this anecdote as proof of a general incompetence on the part of the party as a whole. Would you have made the same observation had the same situation occurred with Obama?

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  128. “How, exactly, does my being “topical” constitute a redefining of terms?”

    SEK – I’m with Jack on your failure to be topical here. You’re not even topical in a nitpicking way with your original comment if you want to be precise, which I’m sure you do.

    The subject of DRJ’s post was Sarah Palin’s poise under pressure and peripherally Barack Obama’s. You perverted the teleprompter incident into an incipient leadership failure of the republican party which should cause people to lose faith that they deserve four more years in the White House. That doesn’t seem on topic at all.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  129. ” I suppose if you think about these things like a fourth-grader, though, the world’ll seem like a playground.”

    SEK – DUDE! That one hurt. You so RAWK!

    Third grade please. They held me back. They don’t let me on the playground either.

    You absolutely own the intartubes!!!!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  130. Well what do I know daley, since I’ve been declared irrational and schizophrenic by a guy who’s been a grad student for going on ten years now. Clearly I’m out of my league against such advanced and evolved brilliance.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  131. Hey Klompus and other GOP apologists,

    I think you still don’t get it.

    It is NOT OK to hire incompetent people and then blame them when things don’t go right.

    I understand that George Bush has used this tactic for the past 8 years but this doesn’t make it OK.

    Ever hear “the buck stops here”

    The GOP. The excuse makers. Thank God most Americans now see it.

    jharp (ef54fc)

  132. Hey jharp ever hear “you’re a shrill tired douchebag?”

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  133. Ah, I love it when this happens.

    Jharp writes:

    It is NOT OK to hire incompetent people and then blame them when things don’t go right.

    Oh, I completely agree. Kind of like this:

    Obama disavowed his campaign’s first response, telling journalists that “I think that, uh, you know, campaigns start getting these, uh, hair triggers and, uh, the statement that Joe and I put out reflects our sentiments,” he said.

    And it is pretty common in Obamaland. See:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/13004.html

    I guess that the GOP isn’t the only excuse-maker.

    And I suspect the American public is starting to see it, but not in the way that jharp intends.

    Eric Blair (9847a0)

  134. Funny how the GOP is declared “the excuse party” when the Democratic party has made it a cottage industry to find any and every excuse (“root causes”) to explain away irresponsible behavior, crime, lousy school performance, etc. and then throw piles of public money at problems always thinking that just that little bit more is really, no really, going to change things next time.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  135. An Obama bundler attacks Palin last night. Many saw her drug off stage. Many Obama staff have been sexist in their criticisms of her.

    Is Obama responsible? He claims he isn’t… it’s just his staff. Not the first time he’s used that excuse.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  136. #132~

    I think you still don’t get it.

    Don’t strain yourself there, partner.

    Conventions are a little different than most events, in that they have very fluid schedules right up until moment arrives. That a candidate handles a minor problem with grace and aplomb is far more telling than the problem arising in the first place. You expect them to occur, and really want to see how the candidates react.

    Unless, of course, you’re just a closed minded ideologue.

    EW1(SG) (f7706b)

  137. Well, after reading about her courageous delivery of a speech, under all that pressure, I plan to vote McCain-Palin!

    Yeah, right.

    The qualifications for presidents seem to get lower with each new story about Palin.

    I’m surprised that no one is interested in the FACT that she left a huge deficit as mayor. In a small, small town. 22+ million dollar deficit to be exact. Fiscal conservative? Oh well, she can deliver a speech!

    James (984b16)

  138. “The qualifications for presidents seem to get lower with each new story about Palin.”
    Actually Obama has done a tremendous job placing that bar somewhere around the elevation of the Dead Sea.

    So with FACT in all caps for that extra oomph! I guess it wouldn’t be too much to ask for you to please supply a link.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  139. Jack – I don’t know anything either since I think like a third or fourth grader.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  140. Uh, James? How much money was squandered by the Annenberg Challenge by Senator Obama back when he was a community organizer with Bill Ayres?

    Barack Obama was the founding chairman of the board and led the organization for 4 years. During his tenure, the CAC received $50 million dollars from the Annenberg Foundation and tens of millions of matching funds from local private and public dollars. This money was supposed to be spent improving the schools of Chicago. However, studies from the CAC itself, and confirmed by an analysis from the well-regarded Thomas B. Fordham Institute, show that the effort directed by Barack Obama led to no discernible improvement at all in the schools which were the beneficiaries of the funds nor in the ultimate intended beneficiaries, the students.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/obamas_education_track_record.html

    I’ll see your 22 million dollar deficit and raise you at least another 28 million. So if you want to talk about fiscal responsibility, let’s discuss it fairly, okay?

    Eric Blair (9847a0)

  141. James is trying to piss into a hurricane.

    It just won’t work.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  142. Jack – I am thankful we didn’t get subjected to pages of his polysyllabic profundity to defend a lost point that he won’t admit, pride and ego not permitting him to consider the possibility, he had lost long before. Those thread are very tedious. Everyone is always wrong but SEK.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  143. SEK:

    I’m just responding to the irony of RNC incompetence being used as evidence of a Republican candidate’s worth.

    I attribute this incident to a widespread DNC conspiracy designed to crash the GOP teleprompter and ruin the headliners’ speeches. Foiled again!

    Then again, maybe someone made a mistake.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  144. jharp…
    That apology I extended to you last night is now withdrawn.
    You are a small, petty little shit-head, devoid of any useful function in a civil society.

    Another Drew (67986d)

  145. daley – SEK is a pretentious windbag. He’s yet another in a never ending supply of perpetual “academics” (in grad school since 1999 according to the UC Irvine English Dept. web page)who are so in love with how clever they think they are. You can practically hear the “take that wingers!” from beneath the smirk. I’m sure SEK impresses the ever living shit out of the undergrads he entrances with his po-mo deconstruction of Twain and Fitzgerald but like so many pompous academics he can’t deal with adults who aren’t jazzed by his ability to BS and make pure partisanship appear like dazzling criticism that’s above us rubes.
    He has a blog entry where he sneers about the “whiteness” of the GOP delegation as if he’s so down by his tsk tsk-ing the lack of diversity among the GOP. Ooh good for you SEK, you white motherfucker. How about you take a freakin’ subway ride through North Philly someday and impress the shit out of people there with your oh so progressive observations about race?
    I fucking hate snotty academic leftists and their shit doesn’t stink attitude with a passion. Ten years working on a fucking dissertation in Irvine and through that you get any kind of meaningful insight on how the real world works and how your political opposites think? SEK can shove it far up in there as far as I’m concerned.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  146. SEK,

    If a teleprompter failure is evidence of an entire party not being worthy of public office, you must agree that the Dems fall in the same category since Obama’s teleprompter failed before too, right? Of course, how the GOP candidate for Vice President handled that failure (giving a great speech anyway) completely out-classed the Dem Presidential candidate who said, “Um…um…uh..” That’s really the comparison being made here (but you knew that).

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  147. Eric:

    You expect me to take your article seriously? I tend to value secondary sources that don’t arrive at a conclusion before they write an article. Hey, that’s just me! You might like your political theory and history to be spoon-fed along partisan lines, but I like to challenge my analytical skills. Why should I waste my time reading the article? I won’t waste my time reading far-out-there liberal studies, either. Unlike you, I try to keep a healthy balance.

    Post an article with better sources and I’ll read it.

    James (984b16)

  148. Shorter James: “I got nuthin’ to refute that. You’re a poopy-head.”

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  149. “I like to challenge my analytical skills.”
    How’s that workin’ out for ya?

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  150. Jack, way to show you know how to click on links. Sigh.

    He has a blog entry where he sneers about the “whiteness” of the GOP delegation as if he’s so down by his tsk tsk-ing the lack of diversity among the GOP.

    Yes, I have a blog entry in which I demonstrate, with numbers and everything, that the media went to great lengths to make the RNC crowd appear as diverse as possible.

    Ten years working on a fucking dissertation in Irvine and through that you get any kind of meaningful insight on how the real world works and how your political opposites think?

    Your Google-fu fails you, Jack, otherwise you’d know why it’s taken me so long to finish. Lots of people do, and it’s right there in Google, but whatever, I’m done with you.

    The subject of DRJ’s post was Sarah Palin’s poise under pressure and peripherally Barack Obama’s. You perverted the teleprompter incident into an incipient leadership failure of the republican party which should cause people to lose faith that they deserve four more years in the White House.

    The topic, daley, was the incident with the teleprompter. I had a different take on the same incident, i.e. I addressed the topic, I simply didn’t agree with the assessment that it’s a Great Day For Republicans when their VP pick can overcome the difficulties set before her by her own staff and technical crew. But yes, if you want to limit this as narrowly as you seem to, the only topical response would’ve been a fawning “YES EXACTLY!”

    SEK (072055)

  151. SEK – No. The topic was Sarah’s poise under pressure. The fact that problems occurred with the teleprompter during her speech reenforced her poise under pressure. You just wanted to make a snarky point by claiming it was related to the topic and failed miserably.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)


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