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9/4/2008

Male Presidential Candidate Uses Female Gender for Cynical Partisan Benefit

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:26 pm



Folks, I hate to say this, but I value honesty above partisan credentials.

I’ve reluctantly concluded that we’ve come to a point in time when a Presidential candidate is simply using the female gender to nakedly appeal to voters. It’s transparent and, I have to be honest, it’s pathetic.

Maybe I’ll at least get an Yglesias Award.

Read the ugly story of why I’ve come to this conclusion in the extended entry.

The New York Times has the sordid details.

Senator Barack Obama will increasingly lean on prominent Democratic women to undercut Gov. Sarah Palin and Senator John McCain, dispatching Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to Florida on Monday and creating a rapid-response team to deploy female surrogates to battleground states, Obama advisers said on Thursday.

Mrs. Clinton’s campaign event in Florida, her first for Mr. Obama since the Democratic convention last month, will include a forceful response to the searing attacks and fresh burst of energy that Ms. Palin injected into the race with her convention speech on Wednesday night, Obama aides said.

The fresh burst of what now? Could you just repeat that? I didn’t hear it the first time.

Did Obama aides just concede that Sarah Palin has revitalized the Republican ticket?

Where’s the vetting?!

Some Democrats were urging Mr. Obama’s campaign not to underestimate the potential power of Ms. Palin’s electrifying speech to the Republican convention on Wednesday night even among voters not aligned with either party: On liberal talk-radio shows and on left-leaning blogs on Thursday, some Democrats fretted that the Obama campaign should fight back hard to avoid being caricatured as Senator John Kerry was four years ago.

I gotta get a new hearing aid. Could you just say that one more time? I heard “the potential power of Ms. Palin’s something something speech . . .” What was that word again?

Did the New York Times just call Sarah Palin’s speech “electrifying”?

And did I just read that Obama is going to fight all of this energy and electricity by . . . hiding behind some womens’ skirts?

What a wussy. Sarah Palin would man up better than that. Far better.

Thanks to Dana.

UPDATE: Oops! Looks like the editors have stepped in and decided that the original version was a bit too honest. For example, the current headline reads: “Obama Camp Turns to Clinton to Counter Palin.” Hmm. The previous headline was far more entertaining:

And one of the passages I quoted above now reads:

Some Democrats were urging Mr. Obama’s campaign not to underestimate the potential power of Ms. Palin’s speech, even among voters not aligned with either party: On liberal talk-radio shows and on left-leaning blogs, some Democrats said the Obama campaign should fight back hard to avoid being caricatured as Senator John Kerry was four years ago when he ran against President Bush.

Notice anything missing? Don’t believe me, believe the screenshot of the way the story read before the editors got hold of it:

UPDATE x2: Why is it “Mrs. Clinton” but “Ms. Palin”?

190 Responses to “Male Presidential Candidate Uses Female Gender for Cynical Partisan Benefit”

  1. Obama has to run to Hillary now?

    Oh, I’m hurting myself laughing. That’s so funny.

    I guess he hasn’t gotten the knife out of his back yet, the one with Bill Clinton’s fingerprints on it.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  2. Is there anything that he has done that hasn’t been for cynical partisan gain?

    EW1(SG) (f7706b)

  3. a Presidential candidate is simply using the female gender to nakedly appeal to voters.

    Heh. Freudian slip?! You and Joe Biden, sexists!!! :)

    Dana (084de8)

  4. Has Obama ever stood up for himself, instead of running and whining?

    Evil Pundit (843b74)

  5. Patterico – Can you imagine what their poll numbers msut be telling them in order for them to write that?

    JD (5f0e11)

  6. Mommy!

    MagicalPat (236421)

  7. SPQR:

    That’s so funny.

    SPQR, you’re a nice guy and all, but that ain’t funny: that’s sad!

    It’s especially sad that such a large portion of the population thinks that he has any leadership ‘skilz.’

    I have to admit, I was going to be a reluctant McCain voter this year~the alternative being pretty much unbearable. Not to mention insufferable. But his choice of Vice Presidential running mate changed that. Not only was I pleased that he chose a rising younger star that I think can provide leadership for some time to come, but it displayed a tactical brilliance that I think is supremely important in promoting our interests abroad.

    McCain showed that he is still quite capable of chewing up our enemies and spitting them out in such a fashion that they won’t ever know what hit them. And that, more than anything else, will make me happy to “pull the lever” for him in November.

    In the meantime, the Obamination is running to hide behind some skirts! And there are people that think he should be in charge of dealing with sharks like Putin and his gang, or flat out crazy MFs like Ahmadinejad?

    Like I said, that is sad.

    EW1(SG) (f7706b)

  8. EW1 – Last night was the first time I was willing to say I will vote for McCain as opposed to voting against Baracky.

    JD (5f0e11)

  9. Wah! She hit me.

    Help me mommy, er, I mean Hillary.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  10. Ah, Cat Fight! Somehow I think that Palin will win. They will be “shrill” and attack her as not one of them. Palin will say “Good, glad she is not one of them”. But a lot of other women will see the attacks and wonder why?

    lynndh (66e68f)

  11. Another thought~ Political historian C. Parkinson Northcote had suggested in choosing between political candidates who otherwise seemed evenly matched, that they should be interviewed for a short time by a young lady (his suggestion is dated, but for the sake of argument…), his thesis being that attraction is also part of the persuasiveness needed in a leadership position.

    For the most part, I think the R ticket has those bases covered far more effectively than the D’s do this year.

    But it was his suggestion for resolving international conflicts without resorting to war that I think we should consider applying to the outcome of this election year. He suggested sticking the two leaders of the antagonists in a ring, and letting them duke it out. Quicker, cheaper, less bloodshed.

    My own proposal is this: arm wrestling. One match each Presidential candidates, and Vice Presidential candidates~best two out of three. And since Senator McCain has legitimate reasons for limited range of motion in his arms, let Gov Palin act as his second in his match in addtion to her own. After such a contest, I don’t see how the Dems would be able to voice a complaint about it being unfair; and I wouldn’t have to listen to Biden or the O! for a while.

    EW1(SG) (f7706b)

  12. Freudian slip?!

    — Freudian skirt.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  13. Is the NYT still calling Clinton “Mrs.” and Palin “Ms.”? WTF???

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  14. “Maybe I’ll at least get an Yglesias Award.”
    Sarc ! was there a more over rated blogger than Yglesias ? has there been a more prominent blogger who has lost his standing faster than Sullivan ?

    two clowns who deserve each other – after bitching about Hillary how do these clowns reconcile to their Messiah go to her for help?

    Naga (2b84ec)

  15. Can’t wait to see the first poll comparing Hillary’s negatives to Sarah’s!

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  16. 11. Coming up with the various competitions could be quite enjoyable. Might as well make the whole campaign season a series of American Gladiators and Double Dare style challenges to scale.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  17. #8 JD:

    Last night was the first time I was willing to say I will vote for McCain as opposed to voting against Baracky.

    JD, I am still going to be voting against Baracky, but now I am going to be happy about it! And you’re right, there is a lot more “for” about it, too. ;)

    EW1(SG) (f7706b)

  18. If Obama could go back in time, he would pick Hillary. But he can’t!!!

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  19. #16 Jack Klompus:

    Coming up with the various competitions could be quite enjoyable.

    Hmmm, I suppose that the very idea of a shooting competition would be enough to give Baracky’s side the vapors ….

    Meh. It appears that HTML character codes (to avoid silly ass “smileys”) are a quick trip to the penalty box. Oh well.

    EW1(SG) (f7706b)

  20. The polling and focus groups have them in high panic mode. If Palin was a dud in the polling, they wouldn’t be going to this extreme.

    I think McCain may open a clear lead beyond the margin. That makes Obama look like a loser, and will encourage more defections from moderates.

    WLS (26b1e5)

  21. Did you seriously say “some women’s skirts” right now?

    Sexist

    yawner (f4c1e0)

  22. How sad that all of you plan to vote for McCain who has had 20 years in Washington and look at our economy and our country. Look at the fact that Republicans have been in office for eight years and look at the price of gas and look at the price of groceries. Are you people really that dumb. We are in a war that has put us in debt while Iraq has a surplus of millions. Have you forgotten Bin Laden attacked us not Saddam. He was just an easier target and Bush wanted to revenge someone who tried to kill his daddy. If you vote for McCain and he wins how sad will it be for all of you who will still be suffering in an economy and a world where if country is first why are so many Americans struggling???????

    Kim (9b7085)

  23. Another troll without the spine to come back and defend their spew.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  24. Bravo Kim. Actually I would venture to say that most people here are quite intelligent, and are doing well enough to not consider ourselves “suffering”, but thanks for your concern.

    I always find the irony humorous that people who post such nonsensical, cut-and-paste, elementary school level talking points that have either been debunked or make little sense declare their audience “dumb.”

    You do really drive home how concerned you are about the wretched state in which Americans find themselves with your use of a tremendous number of question marks, and for that, I salute your rhetorical flourish. It’s a shame because if you would have used 8 rather than 7 question marks I would have definitely recognized the importance of electing Obama. It’s a shame you came up one short. Kind of like a silver medal, though isn’t it?

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  25. What? You are just afraid of hearing the truth (Truth)? The truth is McCain talked about how Obama did not have enough experience. Then he picked someone with even less experience then Obama. Why? Because he knew after the Democratic Convention in which Michelle Obama and Hillary stood up and talked about what is happening to our country and our children, McCain needed a women to HELP him!

    Kim (9b7085)

  26. Tremendous job Kim. You become more articulate with each hit of the submit button.
    And after all if Michelle Obama and Hilary don’t know the truth (Truth) I certainly don’t know who else I could possibly trust. And those two certainly don’t need a men to HELP them!

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  27. Funny how you want to talk about the amount of education someone has and you have no clue. My education could probably run circles around your entire head! You are doing just what your friends have been doing all week which is side talking and attacking instead of sticking with the issues. Yes, Americans are struggling!!!! Look at the statistics! You are dumb if you believe what these Republicans have been feeding you. They are laughing in your face.

    Kim (9b7085)

  28. Kim #21 –Are you people really that dumb.

    1) We’re smart enough to use question marks.

    2) Example: What do you mean you people?

    Apogee (366e8b)

  29. Haha you can put your puny little resume up against mine anytime, sweetheart. Trust me, you don’t want to go there. I’m hardly impressed by the “education” of someone who pounds away multiple punctuation marks, inserts bizarre parentheticals, reduces the Iraq invasion to a revenge fantasy, and uses “women” as a singular noun.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  30. KIm, you have a few more talking points to cut and paste so I guess we’ll see you for a bit more. Actually, had you been here the past two days, you would have seen discussion about how the McCain campaign is pivoting and dropping the experience theme. He is now going to focus on a reform and change theme. That will provide the segue into Tony Rezko and Bill Ayres. We said he is inside Obama’s OODA cycle. If you don’t know what that is, maybe you should try Google.

    Thanks for stopping by.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  31. Kim #26 – My education could probably run circles around your entire head!

    Why do semi-illiterate trolls always expose their lack of education by extolling it?

    (Hint: If you use question marks when necessary in your writing, you won’t have them all bunched up at the end of your paragraphs.)

    Apogee (366e8b)

  32. Actually, I’d like to see Kim’s education run circles around someone’s entire head.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  33. I guess Kim is getting a head start on that female Obama surrogate thing.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  34. ~21 sez:

    look at our economy and our country.

    Hmm. Largest economy in world history, with more people around the globe able to take part in it. Our country? Still safe, in spite of being under attack by practicioners of an ideology that want to totally destroy Western Civilization, kill me personally for my religious views, and use you as a sex toy.

    Republicans have been in office for eight years and look at the price of gas and look at the price of groceries.

    No kidding. Can you IMAGINE how much worse they’d be if the Dems had been in charge?

    Have you forgotten Bin Laden attacked us not Saddam.

    Uh, let’s talk a little bit more about how they both see saw their ultimate goal as world conquest, as bloodily as possible? Now, of course, Osama is just trying to keep breathing, if he isn’t really already taking a dirt nap like his pal Saddam.

    and a world where if country is first why are so many Americans struggling???????

    Not exactly sure how that ties together…nevermind, it doesn’t. But you are right about Americans struggling, you know, to get them bigscreen HDTVs up the stairs before the change to digital broadcasting this year and the struggle to shed a few pounds now that we have become one of the more obese nations on earth.

    Man, things is just tough all over.

    EW1(SG) (f7706b)

  35. Kim – Use all caps. We like that in our trolls. We’ve also never heard your talking points before. You are unique. One of a kind. Amazing isn’t it?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  36. My education could probably run circles around your entire head!
    Comment by Kim — 9/4/2008 @ 9:37 pm

    An education that never taught you the difference between “then” and “than”?

    Then he picked someone with even less experience then Obama.
    Comment by Kim — 9/4/2008 @ 9:31 pm

    Probably not something you should be trying to brag about Kim.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  37. DRJ – Kim slices like a hammer doesn’t she?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  38. Comment by Kim — 9/4/2008 @ 9:17 pm

    um, arent these talking points from 2004? you might want to dump your cookies and hit the refresh button

    chas (e36377)

  39. 24:

    The truth is McCain talked about how Obama did not have enough experience. Then he picked someone with even less experience then Obama. Why? Because

    he was picking a Vice Presidential candidate, not a Presidential one.

    26:

    if you believe what these Republicans

    Well, I suppose I could be lying to myself, but my doctor had me give that up for my health.

    EW1(SG) (f7706b)

  40. Again, stick to the facts. Talk about how McCain is going to change what is happening in America. Talking about what he has been doing in Washington for the last past 20 years. It is unfortunate that all you can keep referring to is question marks and punctuation. As an American, I am concerned about how Republicans allow people to stand in their face and feed them a load of bologne when the facts are slapping you in the face. I don’t need to write big words to tell the truth. Instead of trying to explain this to someone as narrow minded as you are I am going to continue to tell others how we need a “change” and evidently according to you, we need to keep allowing our sons, daughters, husbands, and wives to die in a war just because you can not see the forrest fot the trees and I am to passionate with my question marks. Good luck with the election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Kim (9b7085)

  41. Here’s the thing: Let’s say you accept at face value that both candidates want “real change” in Washington and intend to turn out the corrupters and scoundrels of both Parties.

    Do you want the experienced but realistic McCain, or the inexperienced but idealistic Obama? Which one is likely to have real effect?

    (That’s assuming that you can’t figure out that Obama is lying and McCain is the real deal, of course.)

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  42. It is unfortunate that all you can keep referring to is question marks and punctuation./blockquote>And paragraphs, too. Whitespace is our friend.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  43. #39 – I am concerned about how Republicans allow people to stand in their face and feed them a load of bologne when the facts are slapping you in the face.

    This seems physically impossible. Would not the people standing in one’s face block the slaps from the truth(Truth)?

    Also, if Forrest Gump is fotting trees again, we’re going to have to call the sheriff.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  44. umm, damn.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  45. Oh no! Kim used the exclamation point maneuver!

    We’re doomed, I tell you! DOOMED!

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  46. Apogee – I was trying to figure that one out too. I was ready to call a neighbor in and ask them to act out that oddly described contortion. “Okay now you stand in your face. Okay good, good. Now I’m going to grab these facts over here…Okay..Steady. Now hold on this might hurt…(slap) (slap)”

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  47. 39~

    I am going to continue to tell others how we need a “change”

    Sigh.

    Let me explain something here. One of the reasons that there are “conservatives,” is because the human experience didn’t just start happening yesterday. And over time, people have come up with some good, workable solutions to everyday problems. Like air conditioning. But that’s a different polemic entirely.

    So among these things that “conservatives” like myself like to conserve are life and liberty. And we love chasing the hell out of happiness. But “change,” just because its change, doesn’t necessarily have anything to recommend itself. We like change that actually improves things.

    Pie in the sky promises like Obama’s have been made before. Usually just before the gulags open up, and that kind of thing goes against my prediliction for life & liberty, and makes it damn hard to chase happiness around the table when the children are …
    uh, nevermind.

    (And Jack, let’s not get into that resume thing…I only graddyated a high skool that was purty well known for chicken pluckers and lumberjacks. They might take my diploma if they thought I was hangin’ out with intullektuls liek Kim.)

    EW1(SG) (f7706b)

  48. How can you joke when Americans are dying in Iraq? I thought I could bring forward valid points and you would give me reasons why you are expresing the opinions that you have stated. Instead, all of you really have nothing else better to do. Maybe you should pick up a weapon and go over to Iraq and/or Afghanistan and help your country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (count these) :)

    Kim (9b7085)

  49. “Talking about what he has been doing in Washington for the last past 20 years.”
    I think, as I recall, he’s been a U.S. Senator for approximately 18 years or so longer than Obama has held the same job, if I’m not mistaken.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  50. Where is she getting this NEW information?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  51. OH SHEEEEEEEEEITTTT!!!!! Everyone do a shot, the chickenhawk argument has been used folks!
    Sorry EW, I wasn’t trying to be snobby, Kim just kind of laid down the gauntlet with the whole rings around the head thing and then all those exclamation points and whatnot got me entranced by the power of her intellect!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  52. #47 – I thought I could bring forward valid points. . .

    That might be the source of your problems.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  53. Let’s see that education run Kim.

    Wind sprints BAY-BEE!!!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  54. Kim, #47, its so ironic you mention Americans dying in Iraq and picking up a weapon and going over there to help our country…because I was just reading this about Chicago,

    “An estimated 123 people were shot and killed over the summer. That’s nearly double the number of soldiers killed in Iraq over the same time period.”

    In May, cbs2chicago.com began tracking city shootings and posting them on Google maps. Information compiled from our reporters, wire service reports and the Chicago Police Major Incidents log indicated that 123 people were shot and killed throughout the city between the start of Memorial Day weekend on May 26, and the end of Labor Day on Sept. 1.

    According to the Defense Department, 65 soldiers were killed in combat in Iraq. About the same number were killed in Afghanistan over that same period.

    In the same time period, an estimated 245 people were shot and wounded in the city.

    Maybe we need more community organizers, eh?

    http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810166.html

    Dana (084de8)

  55. Dana – The Barack’s hood isn’t it? What’s he done to reduce violence there?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  56. Dana, Kim doesn’t care about Chicago people.

    She feels that they were probably illegally selling punctuation, and got what they deserved.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  57. Can’t we make it illegal for Chicagoans to own question marks? oops.

    Just like Chicago make it illegal for people to own guns to protect themselves, which Baracky supported even though it was unconstitional and all and he is a big contitutional lawyer.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  58. Maybe you should pick up a weapon and go over to Iraq and/or Afghanistan and help your country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (count these)
    Comment by Kim — 9/4/2008 @ 10:05 pm

    Ooohhh… a chickenhawk smear. Kim should be about ready to Godwin herself anytime now and it will be safe to ignore her.

    I thought I could bring forward valid points and you would give me reasons why you are expresing the opinions that you have stated.

    We’ll be happy to engage valid points when you bring some forth (well, somebody here will… I’m already tired of you.) More partisan rhetoric devoid of any substance will just be ridiculed further. Put down the talking points memo and make an intelligent statement, but be careful, you may end up voting against Obama if you do.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  59. Apogee, I have brought up valid points, but again you are too narrow minded to understand what I have said. You are too busy trying to look in the dictionary and tell me about 18 instead of 20 years. Regardless, enjoy your conversations in which everyone shares the same brain!!!!!!!!!!!

    Goodnight! For the people that are blind that means I am going to bed. I have a job to go to tomorrow so I can send my kids to college. Hopefully, McCain will help all of you take care of your kids! :)

    Kim (9b7085)

  60. 47~

    you would give me reasons why you are expresing the opinions that you have stated.

    Well, I tried that, right up above there. You ever calm down enough to stop stabbing that exclamation key like that, we mighten to be able to discuss it.

    Maybe you should pick up a weapon and go over to Iraq and/or Afghanistan and help your country!

    Love to, if I could get a note from my doctor that said it was okay.

    #50 Jack Klompus:

    I wasn’t trying to be snobby

    Oh, I know, but the sheer brains o’ power she got going on there got me skeert.

    EW1(SG) (f7706b)

  61. Kim –

    How sad that all of you plan to vote for McCain who has had 20 years in Washington and look at our economy and our country.
    — How sad that you can’t count to 26 (years) and look at how you blame McCain for the mistakes of others.

    Look at the fact that Republicans have been in office for eight years and look at the price of gas and look at the price of groceries.
    Aha!

    Are you people really that dumb.
    — We asked you first; plus, we put it in the form of a question.

    We are in a war that has put us in debt while Iraq has a surplus of millions.
    — I nominate you to be our collection agent.

    Have you forgotten Bin Laden attacked us not Saddam.
    — Yes, you’ve figured it out. We forgot. Thank God, then, that John McCain did not forget, and will go get him.

    He was just an easier target and Bush wanted to revenge someone who tried to kill his daddy.
    — What’re you bitchin’ ’bout? We got ‘im, didn’t we?

    If you vote for McCain and he wins how sad will it be for all of you who will still be suffering in an economy and a world where if country is first why are so many Americans struggling???????
    — You see, Apogee? Sheit (she/he/it) just saved them all until the end.

    What? You are just afraid of hearing the truth (Truth)?
    — Just wanted to make sure you’d stick around. It’s no fun smackin’ a cloud of dust.

    The truth is McCain talked about how Obama did not have enough experience. Then he picked someone with even less experience then Obama.
    — Haven’t you gotten the memo? That pathetic line of attack was abandoned days ago.

    Why? Because he knew after the Democratic Convention in which Michelle Obama and Hillary stood up and talked about what is happening to our country and our children, McCain needed a women to HELP him!
    — We all need a women to help us. Fer instance, can you help me unnerstand how a woman canna’ spell “woman”?

    Funny how you want to talk about the amount of education someone has and you have no clue.
    — Who wants to talk about the amount of education someone has? ever? Quality of education, on the other hand . . .

    My education could probably run circles around your entire head!
    — As all of the compositional mistakes in your posts prove beyond a reasoning doubt.

    You are doing just what your friends have been doing all week which is side talking and attacking instead of sticking with the issues.
    — Responding to the attacks from the other side, actually, but close enough.

    Yes, Americans are struggling!!!!
    Four exclamation points worth of struggling!

    Look at the statistics!
    — You didn’t say “please” (or “Simon sez”).

    You are dumb if you believe what these Republicans have been feeding you. They are laughing in your face.
    — You are dumb if you believe that these Democrats are going to feed you . . . or give you quality health care . . . or jobs . . .

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  62. Maybe you should pick up a weapon and go over to Iraq and/or Afghanistan and help your country!

    Okay Kim, since you have invoked the chickenhawk argument:

    – You may not criticize any elected official unless you go out and get elected yourself.

    – You may not talk abut the homeless unless you yourself open and run a shelter.

    – You may not talk about education unless you yourself get a teaching degree and take on a job as a teacher.

    – You may not criticize the American health system unless you yourself go out and get a medical degree and open a practice.

    In short, since you have tossed that chickenhawk grenade into the thread, you may not discuss anything that isn’t directly involved with your day job.

    Got it?

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  63. #52 daleyrocks: Oh, man! You are going to burn in HELL for that one!

    I know it was funny enough to sell your soul for, but damn!

    EW1(SG) (f7706b)

  64. I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU PEPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!!! MCSAMME IS AN IGNORANT SENILE OL SIMPLETIN!!!!!! AND SARH PALEN SHOULD BE RETRACTIVLY ABORTTED!!!!!!! KOS SSAYS YOU IDEOTS ARE A BUNCHOF MAGGGETS & I AGRE!!!!!!!!! GO OBMA AND BIDEN WE LUV U 4EVER!!!!!!!!!!

    Generic Democrat Troll (dc65ab)

  65. I have brought up valid points, but again you are too narrow minded to understand what I have said.

    Oh no, we understand perfectly. Problem is, they already been refuted.

    Months ago.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  66. Oops… I meant to put down that #63 was by the Generic Democrat Trollbot 9000. :-)

    qdpsteve (dc65ab)

  67. Hopefully, McCain will help all of you take care of your kids!

    You’ve inadvertently hit the main difference between the likes of you, Kim, and most of the posters here: we don’t think it’s McCain’s job to help us take care of our kids. They are our children, and our responsibility, no one else’s.

    Steverino (1dda08)

  68. #58 – enjoy your conversations in which everyone shares the same brain!!!!!!!!!!!
    That still resolves to:
    Us – 1
    You – 0

    Goodnight! For the people that are blind that means I am going to bed.

    Is that the new braille?

    I have a job to go to tomorrow so I can send my kids to college.
    You always wanted to give your kids something that you never had.

    Apogee (366e8b)

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  70. #67 If you only knew. Again, I have enough education to run circles around your head! The use of taking someone words and poking fun at them must give all of you so much joy!!! Ignorance is beyond words and punctuation. Poking fun is all you can do because you candidate for president does not give you a whole lot to work with. For the record I have a Bachelors Degree, a Masters Degree, and I hold several credentials. I am sure you will poke fun at that! Enjoy yourself! Now I know why other like minded people are not visiting this site. Make sure you allow your one brain to rest.

    Kim (9b7085)

  71. Kim – I don’t know how the world functions when you are sleeping, what with all that brainpower on screensaver. Plenty of like minded people stop by here. Usually they try to be polite and use current factual information instead of stale talking points lifted stright deom a progressive blog if they want to get along with the folks here. Just sayin’.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  72. #69 – If you only knew.
    We’ve picked up on plenty, rest assured.

    The use of taking someone words and poking fun at them must give all of you so much joy!!!
    Not as much joy, apparently, as you get from punctuation.

    Ignorance is beyond words and punctuation.
    Yes, your ignorance far exceeds both.

    Poking fun is all you can do because you candidate for president does not give you a whole lot to work with.
    You’re right. You see, he’s actually educated, and finding logical, grammatical and spelling errors in his writing takes forever.

    For the record I have a Bachelors Degree, a Masters Degree, and I hold several credentials.
    If you give them back, the rightful owners may not press charges.

    Now I know why other like minded people are not visiting this site.

    You do realize that you just made that accusation in your previous comment.

    Make sure you allow your one brain to rest.
    Speaking of rest, I, along with the blind people, were under the impression that you’d gone off to bed. Are you sleep typing? That would explain a great deal about your comments.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  73. For the record I have a Bachelors Degree, a Masters Degree, and I hold several credentials.
    Comment by Kim — 9/4/2008 @ 10:48 pm

    Ok, and Deb Fri*ch (don’t want her to google her name and come here) has a PhD… despite being a disgusting loon. You’re well on your way, enjoy the trip. Hope you didn’t bookmark the site because I doubt you could find your way back once you sober up wake up in the morning. Buh bye.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  74. For the record I have a Bachelors Degree, a Masters Degree, and I hold several credentials.

    Judging from what you’ve written, you master’s thesis must really be a piece of work.

    Now I thought you were going to bed? Like every other moonbat troll, you threaten to leave but still have to get that last lick in.

    Paul (ac3cf3)

  75. “And did I just read that Obama is going to fight all of this energy and electricity by . . . hiding behind some womens’ skirts?”

    Haw, I guess that slam does apply to both O and JMc huh? Of course O just looks like a copycat now doesn’t he?

    The really wierd thing is, why send Hillary to Florida? Palin is going to easily get all the votes for President there.

    EdWood (ad6ace)

  76. Anyone want to bet that Kim’s degree isn’t in Education or Social Work? I’m willing to bet it isn’t in Physics or somewhere the “Masters” is a consolation prize.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  77. The Obama god finally look at Hillary to do his job
    I will vote for McCain simply because he will not raise my taxes and I will be able to keep my money and used as I want.
    I hate walfare states.

    I read must of the comments in this blog I was cracking up. All you guys should write jokes for stand up comedians.

    ingrid (fd7340)

  78. Kim –

    Again, stick to the facts.
    Again, lickit ‘n’ stickit.

    Talk about how McCain is going to change what is happening in America.
    That’s what he did tonight, he did.

    Talking about what he has been doing in Washington for the last past 20 years.
    — Not taking a single earmark. You can talk about that with Barack ‘slipped a little green to my baby mama workplace’ Obama.

    It is unfortunate that all you can keep referring to is question marks and punctuation.
    — Only ’cause it annoys you.

    As an American, I am concerned about how Republicans allow people to stand in their face and feed them a load of bologne when the facts are slapping you in the face.
    — “………………………………………………….Democrats……………………………………………………………………….bologne [sic]…………………………………………….”

    I don’t need to write big words to tell the truth.
    — You don’t need to write coherently to spew your lies.

    Instead of trying to explain this to someone as narrow minded as you are I am going to continue to tell others how we need a “change”
    Gods little gift is on the rag
    Poster girl posing in a fashion mag
    Canine, feline, Jekyll and Hyde
    Wear your fake fur on the inside
    Queen of South Beach, aging blues
    Dinners at six, wear your cement shoes
    I thought you were singing your heart out to me
    Your lips were syncing and now I see

    and evidently according to you, we need to keep allowing our sons, daughters, husbands, and wives to die in a war just because you can not [sic] see the forrest [sic] fot [sic] the trees and I am to passionate with my question marks. Good luck with the election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Good luck with the electroshock.

    How can you joke when Americans are dying in Iraq?
    — Yeah, fellow blog regulars! How . . . DARE you enjoy your life?

    I thought I could bring forward valid points and you would give me reasons why you are expresing [sic] the opinions that you have stated.
    There’s your ‘college’.

    Instead, all of you really have nothing else better to do.
    — Ever since they banned beatin’ Socialists with a stick, we just don’t know what to do with ourselves.

    Maybe you should pick up a weapon and go over to Iraq and/or Afghanistan and help your country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (count these)
    — Why, when there are so many juicy targets right here at home? Where did you say you live, again? Count these: ..!.. ..!..

    I have brought up valid points, but again you are too narrow minded to understand what I have said.
    — I have brought up the wagon, but again you refuse to get in it.

    You are too busy trying to look in the dictionary and tell me about 18 instead of 20 years.
    — You are too busy trying to look at Kos and tell us what they told you to think.

    Regardless, enjoy your conversations in which everyone shares the same brain!!!!!!!!!!!
    — Regardless, enjoy your conversations with the gerbil running that wheel inside your head.

    Goodnight!
    — Good riddance!

    For the people that are blind that means I am going to bed.
    — Just the thought of it made us go blind.

    I have a job to go to tomorrow so I can send my kids to college.
    — They could get jobs too, you know.

    Hopefully, McCain will help all of you take care of your kids!
    — Hopefully, the nanny state will go the way of the Dodo.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  79. Count these: ..!.. ..!..
    Comment by Icy Truth — 9/4/2008 @ 11:23 pm

    Ok Icy,

    We’re just going to have to agree that replacing our own keyboards and monitors is just more efficient. It’ll come out about even anyway. 😉

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  80. Ah doggone it, I came to this thread too late–so I merely skimmed over the Kim “bumps in the road”. Sorta like skimming over cowpies when you walk in a pasture, but that’s another story.

    But I will say this. Obama may be bleeding from a Bill Clinton knife in the back mentioned in post #1 above.

    However, after Governor Palin got done with him last night, the front of Obama’s shirt looked like a botched multiple attempt at seppuku. Palin sunk the rhetorical knife in Obama, early, often and repeatedly. He hardly feels the Bill Clinton stab in the back.

    Mike Myers (31af82)

  81. Obama will fight Palin to the last drop of Hillary’s blood.

    Perfect Sense (7e9a58)

  82. Sending Hillary to shore up Obama’s votes is like sending Dillinger to guard the vault.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  83. Mike @ #79…
    You remind me of a saying from my mis-spent youth:

    She cut him three ways: Long, Wide, & Frequent!

    Another Drew (67986d)

  84. Kim . . . again –

    If you only knew. Again, I have enough education to run circles around your head!
    — Yet not enough to come up with a different (or better, for that matter) insult.

    The use of taking someone words and poking fun at them must give all of you so much joy!!!
    — Brevity plus levity equals joy-evity!!!

    Ignorance is beyond words and punctuation.
    — And yet, sometimes the latter defines the former.

    Poking fun is all you can do because you candidate for president does not give you a whole lot to work with.
    — On the other hand, your candidate is a veritable fount of straight lines, as are you.

    For the record I have a Bachelors Degree, a Masters Degree, and I hold several credentials. I am sure you will poke fun at that!
    — Well, I don’t know. I mean, it might crack open and then somethin’ green and glowing could ooze out and crawl up the stick and get on my hand and then it won’t come off no matter what I do and . . . METEOR SHIT!!!

    Enjoy yourself!
    — I bow to the prolific one.

    Now I know why other like minded people are not visiting this site. Make sure you allow your one brain to rest.
    — They’re all welcome here. Make sure you allow your one web-link to expire.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  85. I have to wonder… are these so-called posters for real? I mean, really…

    Kim, are you serious? Really? Americans not dying anywhere else in the world, only in Iraq? American soldiers not volunteers now? What are they, conscripts and draftees, or just shanghaied from the nearest pubs and colleges?

    And, let’s just be serious here, unless you are a Patterico or a Beldar, whose real identities are known and whose credentials are witnessed to, please don’t flaunt your own, without backing. We have only your word for it – and on a blog comment, it ain’t enough.

    Then again, why am I feeding the troll? I gotta no smart repartee like Icy Truth, after all. I’ll let you handle her, man. Better you than me, cause you gots tha power, looks like.

    Gregory (f7735e)

  86. Kim wailed with spittle flying on her monitor:

    I have enough education to run circles around your head! The use of taking someone words and poking fun at them must give all of you so much joy!!! Ignorance is beyond words and punctuation. Poking fun is all you can do because you candidate for president does not give you a whole lot to work with. For the record I have a Bachelors Degree, a Masters Degree, and I hold several credentials. I am sure you will poke fun at that! Enjoy yourself! Now I know why other like minded people are not visiting this site. Make sure you allow your one brain to rest.

    Wait a minute! That rant sounds vaguely familiar…

    I’m trying to remember…I’ve GOT IT! I know who you are, Kim!

    LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, JOINING US AT PATTERICO.COM UNDER THE MONIKER “KIM”…THE SENATOR FROM THE GREAT STATE OF…OF…UH…DELAWARE!…JOE BIDEN!

    L.N. Smithee (d65088)

  87. #85 – Gregory

    I’ll let you handle her, man. Better you than me, cause you gots tha power, looks like.

    — Thanks, dude! I do okay when I have a set-up guy, even better when it’s a libtard.

    Icy Truth (8d362f)

  88. Well…Well…Well…

    Obama wants to continue to pretend like Palin’s speech didn’t phase him, while getting Hillary and others to attack her “for him”. Can’t have him attacking Palin and dropping that “hope” facade off his smug face, now can we?

    At the end of the day I think two words sum up this move from the Obama…

    “Punk Bitch”

    Miss Malevolent (4dfd9c)

  89. #47 EW1(SG) – I thought you told us you were a pheasant plucker in haahh skool ? (grin)

    Alasdair (6b086e)

  90. For the record I have a Bachelors Degree, a Masters Degree, and I hold several credentials.
    Comment by Kim — 9/4/2008 @ 10:48 pm

    [Not really a] Wild guess:

    Education, right?

    Unix-Jedi (486100)

  91. I like the 9000 model. The 8000 had a glitch in it that would cause a rational thought to leak from its exhaust system every 2000 “neocons!”, i.e. every ten minutes.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  92. It looks like Joe Biden is about to go the Eagleton route. The “brilliant” Obama campaign will need to find some excuse to dump Biden, considering he brings nothing to the ticket that his now-favorite surrogate Hillary wouldn’t have brought. I thought that the MSM was laughing at the Palin selection. At least, so said Eleanor Clift. They are petrified of Sarah Palin, and they should be. My sister, also a mother of five, who had become quite disillusioned with the whole political scene, has become energized by the Palin selection. She believes that Palin demonstrates that any citizen can have a voice.

    Stephen (236526)

  93. Stephen:

    It looks like Joe Biden is about to go the Eagleton route.

    That’s now the “Torricelli Gambit”.

    Unix-Jedi (486100)

  94. The last time I checked, third or forth grade I think, the singular spelling for A WOMAN wasn’t spelled WOMEN.

    I am sorry, but don’t come to a gun fight carrying a neon banner and a spotlight. You are asking for trouble.

    Jack, I appreciate your dialogue. In the face of stupidity, your candor is priceless!

    Matt (773b7d)

  95. Educated Kim:

    As an American, I am concerned about how Republicans allow people to stand in their face [sic] and feed them a load of bologne [sic] when the facts are slapping you [sic] in the face. I don’t need to write big words to tell the truth. Instead of trying to explain this to someone as narrow minded [sic] as you are I am going to continue to tell others how we need a “change” and evidently according to you, we need to keep allowing our sons, daughters, husbands, and wives to die in a war just because you can not see the forrest [sic] fot [sic] the trees and I am to [sic] passionate with my question marks.

    Ouch, my head is reeling from that education running circles around it. And not just my head, mind you, but its entirety.

    Xrlq (b71926)

  96. “because ‘you’ candidate for president…”

    ARE YOU SERIOUS? I don’t have a M.D. and I read such infantile mistakes from a self-proclaimed scholar.

    Again Kim, you brought this on yourself. Let’s take politics out of this for a moment. Go back to third grade and throw away the degree you got from the gumball machine at K-Mart. You will do the entire properly communicating world a favor by doing so.

    Matt (773b7d)

  97. Matt – thanks, man. I was a high school teacher for a number of years, so well, you know. I get feisty and profane a lot, but when colossal idiocy comes in an aggressive or pompous form I can’t help but bare my fangs.
    Kim is living proof that they’ll hand an advanced degree to any stammering idiot.

    Jack Klompus (b0e238)

  98. Kim – lets get away from the rhetorical comments and address something more substantive.

    First the economy – Can you name one country where the social economic status of the population improved as a result of soicalist policies advocated by the democrats and by Obama? Can you explain why those countries that have adopted those type policies are gradually moving to a more capitist economy where as the democratic party is trying to emulate what those countries no longer want?

    If our economy is so bad – why are other countries trying to emulate our capitist system?

    If our economy is so bad, can you name a country with a stronger economy?

    National Security – Are we safer than before? Have we had a second attack? Can you name a country that became safer as a result of appeasement? (remember Neville, – unfortunately neville gets a bad rap, since France essentially forced his hand at Munich by capitulating 2 years before WWII).

    Joe - Dallas (70513b)

  99. Kim – We live in the greatest country in the world. We live in the country with the strongest ecomony and the greatest individual freedoms in the world. Obama whats to change it – to what?

    Joe - Dallas (70513b)

  100. YOU FORGET THE DEMS HANDED BUSH (8) YRS AGO A BALANCE BUDGET IN WHICH THE REPUBLICANS HAVE HAS SQUANDERED & PUT OUR ECONOMY IN THE TOILET. MCCain has voted 90% of the time with Bush, which goes to show McCain’s bad judgement. And Cindy McCain spoke of the public’s “sexism” toward Palin. I suppose she doesn’t know her husband Voted Against Equal Pay for Women. If that isn’t “sexism” I don’t what is.
    Moreover, Hillary will go on the road to remind women what we Dems stand for.

    Teri (1c9d61)

  101. You can tell the whack-jobs from how they love to use the capslock key…

    Keep it up, Teri… It totally makes you look cool…

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  102. Hey there Joe in Dallas:

    First, Obama will cut taxes for those making less than $250,000 per year. He said that’s about 95% of us. He’ll also give tax cuts to those businesses who keep American jobs here at home vs
    overseas. He’ll take away the billions of $$ in subsidies and tax breaks to Big Oil, and use that money to fund clean, renewable energy while investing in education/training for millions of new clean energy jobs. (T.Boone Picken ought to like that!) Obama will institute a health care for all, so people who have worked all their life don’t have to loose their home and file bankruptcy because of medical bills.
    And that my friend, is just for starters.
    John McCain talks a lot of rhetoric. If you really listen to him very, very closly, who’ll see he’s not really tell you anything. The reason is he either doesn’t know how, and he wants to tell you what he thinks you want to hear (I’ve watched his town meetings online & his acceptance speech). Lastly, people who have known and even like McCain will tell you He is NOT the Maveric or the Man he once was. In fact, he has changed his position on everything since he began this campaign.
    You will regret it if you vote for McCain!

    **Obama/Biden will take this country to where we should be.

    Teri (1c9d61)

  103. Teri:
    If that isn’t “sexism” I don’t what is.

    I’d agree; that iss a true statement.

    Unix-Jedi (651a1b)

  104. Teri,

    You are an Obot and Democrat hack. Save the cut and paste from the Obamassiah for people not wise to your propagandizing.

    PCD (5c49b0)

  105. “John McCain talks a lot of rhetoric. If you really listen to him very, very closly, who’ll see he’s not really tell you anything. The reason is he either doesn’t know how, and he wants to tell you what he thinks you want to hear”
    Irony, along with, as usual, the ability to spell, punctuate, capitalize, and form proper sentences, never ceases to be lost on the Obama nation. And they want to be taken seriously.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  106. John McCain talks a lot of rhetoric.

    Teri – You dormitory feminists keep confusing what McCain says for rhetoric. McCain has the experience to know how to get things done. What Obama spouts is rhetoric. Obama spouts prounouncements – I will end this country’s dependence on fossil fuels by 2020, without a freaking clue on how he will do it. For some reasons morons like you believe him. Why? I usually blame it on youth and stupidity, but I don’t know you.

    The equal bill was a total scam. It sounds like you don’t know anything about it. Why don’t you explain why voting against it was actually sexist rather than spouting a talking point?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  107. From Gerard Baker of The Times of London (h/t Urgent Agenda)

    “What’s the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?”

    “One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let’s be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

    “The other kills her own food.”

    jeff (fa136d)

  108. Crispy trolls for breakfast?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  109. “You will regret it if you vote for McCain!
    Coming from an articulate genius like you, I think I may have to roll and take my chances. Even the Phillies have one World Series title in 125 years.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  110. Explain to me how voting against “equal pay for women” is sexist?

    steve miller (3c2c90)

  111. Obama just got whupped by a girl. Sarah Palin kicked his butt up one side and down the other.

    She pulled Obama’s political pants down in public and gave him a spanking the likes of which I haven’t seen since Ronald Reagan took Jimmy Carter to the woodshed.

    Now, Bambi is running for cover and calling on his Mommy surogates to save his bacon from that scarry girl who just won’t sit still and let MSM destroy her family. What a guy!

    Ropelight (49e412)

  112. I’m truly curious. What does the bill require, and how would it be enforced?

    steve miller (3c2c90)

  113. Teri – Thanks for the response – Back to the substantive discussion.

    Clinton did not hand the Bush administration a balanced budget. Any one with a basic concept of accounting could have or should have recongnized the budget was not balanced. Too many unrealistic assumptions which made the underlying data unreasonable.

    Can you name one actual tax break that big oil actually has – Big oil is taxed on net income just like all other business – so if your idea of a tax break is a cash expenditure to find more oil, then let me know.

    Health Care for all, whether nationalized health insurance or nationalized health care. Can you tell me where the next new drug (alzheimers, aids, cancer) will come from once the United States has socialized medicine?

    Teri – since you choose to talk about all the good obama will do – please try to address with substative data, my comments in post# 98.
    Thanks

    Joe - Dallas (70513b)

  114. I think it is hilarious that Obama is bringing out dem women to counter Gov Palin – talk about hiding behind a woman’s skirts!!Unfortunately Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, and Govs. Janet Napolitano and Gov. Kathleen Sebelius individually or together can’t touch Gov Palin. They still don’t seem to get it. Its not about genitalia – its about character and integrity, can’t buy real thing.

    Genny (d43345)

  115. So did my Reds in 90′ Jack. I like my odds!

    Matt (773b7d)

  116. unrealistic assumptions

    I think the phrase was irrational exuberance, no?

    JD (75f5c3)

  117. Punitive windfall profits taxes are a great idea.

    JD (75f5c3)

  118. YOU ARE ALL MORONSYOUGONNABESORREEEWAITTILOBAMACOMESYOUREALLGOINGTODIEIHAVEAPROBLEMWITHMYMOTORSKILLZANDMYRETAINERISSTUCKTOTHEROOKOFMYMOUTHHELP!ICANTBREATHEMOMMYMAKEITSTOP!OKAYEEEGOOTTAGONOWBUYEEE….

    Jeebus.

    Dmac (874677)

  119. Dmacyouarearacist

    JD (75f5c3)

  120. Windfall profits taxes are a great idea.

    Hmmm, sounds good to me.

    How about on book deals. Sports figure’s signing bonuses. Actor’s and actress’s movie deals.

    Say 90%?

    It’s not like they earn it or anything.

    jeff (fa136d)

  121. JD – “irrational exuberance” was a term used by alan greenspan describing the stock market. Unrealistic assumptions is the term used to describe clinton’s claim of a “balanced budget” in the late 1990’s.

    Windfall profits tax – JD you obviously need a better understanding of economic history – some place other than the left wing newspapers and left wing talking points. If you recall, the windfall profits tax of the carter administration sure didnt bring us a huge increase in domestic production.

    Teri and JD – It would behoove you to have a better understanding of basic economic history and basic economic theory.

    Joe - Dallas (70513b)

  122. Joe I think JD was being sarc.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  123. Joe – I think you did not notice my /sarc tags.

    JD (75f5c3)

  124. With the deluge of Obamabot postings here, and the atrocious grammatical errors they make; one has to wonder if The One has out-sourced his attack campaign to a Third-World country?

    If not that, then the EduCrat Establishment has become more corrupt and ineffective in their alleged primary mission of educating “da yute”, than even a cynical critic as I am could imagine!

    Another Drew (faec8a)

  125. JD – missed the sarcasm. Hopefully teri gets the point.

    I would still like to see teri address the “tax breaks for big oil” issue he brought up.

    Joe - Dallas (70513b)

  126. The best way to fix this unrecognized state of recession is to increase taxes for taxpayers and to bludgeon corporations with increased punitive taxes.

    JD (5f0e11)

  127. Drew – it’s a shame they didn’t get a chance to take advantage of the Annenberg Challenge of Obama and Ayers. I’m sure it would have done wonders to improve their coherence. With all that money, how could it have done otherwise?

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  128. 124 I think outsourcing to a 3rd world country would be an improvement. There are many well educated Indians with a dot and Pakistanis doing a fine job with technical advice. What galls me are the local edukated buffoons in the service industry. The domestic asshats manning the phones for ATT and Comcast are far beyond clueless, unless they are trained to be duplicitous and dem-like in their obfuscations.

    Have to wonder just how educated the average voter is as to the pyramid of lies that holds up Obama’s temple. Like the media makes any effort to focus on the union BS that takes away the secret ballot in organizing union conscripts, Baraky’s support of removing fed oversight on the dirty, filthy corrupt Teamsters union, little light shone on Ayers, Dohrn and Rezno. Will Renzo’s pre-election sentencing impact the polls at all? Wanna bet the media will minimize any connection to Obama? How many Americans have even seen Ayers’s mag cover shot standing on the US flag? Obama doesn’t want his terrorist friends unrepentant hate for America to be widespread public knowledge and yet he still defends his good buddies as upstanding citizens?

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  129. Please, Mommy, Make the Scary Lady Go Away!

    Sergei (641270)

  130. That’s all right, Sergei.
    Nikolay will let you share his vodka bottle.
    (re-boot snark filter)

    Another Drew (faec8a)

  131. If you really listen to him very, very closly [sic], who’ll see he’s not really tell you anything.

    — Talk about mixed metaphors! To be followed by: If you actually look at him very, very closely, they’ll hear he’s not actually show you anything.

    Icy Truth (90c3b8)

  132. Icy…
    Did you save all of those grammatical errors your students used because you were prescient enough to know that they would come in handy today?

    Another Drew (faec8a)

  133. #67 If you only knew. Again, I have enough education to run circles around your head! The use of taking someone words and poking fun at them must give all of you so much joy!!! Ignorance is beyond words and punctuation. Poking fun is all you can do because you candidate for president does not give you a whole lot to work with. For the record I have a Bachelors Degree, a Masters Degree, and I hold several credentials. I am sure you will poke fun at that! Enjoy yourself! Now I know why other like minded people are not visiting this site. Make sure you allow your one brain to rest.

    “I should know. I am a medical doctor. I own a mansion and a yacht.”

    otcconan (8b7d8d)

  134. “You should quit…you should…you should…You should never never never never…you should…”

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  135. Quit “shoulding” on me!

    Ropelight (49e412)

  136. “You should stop traumatizing women with sexual intercourse.”

    otcconan (8b7d8d)

  137. Smurfs are preparing children for the future existence of blue people whereas Scooby Doo is instilling the value of bribery.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  138. I have one issue that I want someone to explain to me. People mention the “Condition” that America is in, in support for Barack’s “Change” campaign. They refer to the economy, and somehow forget one of the essential principals of our fantastic economy, “Free Market”. This means that the state of the economy is a result of Americans, NOT government, and should remain that way. Though there are people who are naive enough to buy a home whit an “Interest Only” mortgage, does not mean the government has to take our freedoms away. Does It? Are not those “Great Financial Minds” that invented such things now not suffering their own consequences?

    jason (0ac0d4)

  139. jason…
    You are responding to the accusations of people who want to move America into a full-Socialist mode, where we all will have to look to the gov’t for our daily sustenance.
    They want to eliminate the “Free Market”!

    Another Drew (faec8a)

  140. Those people frighten me!

    jason (0ac0d4)

  141. #137 Jack Klompus

    Not surprised that as a denizen of Austin you would recognize a quote from “Slacker.” One of the greatest films of all time. Every single person at the Democratic convention could have been in that movie.

    The producer of my best friend’s band WAS in that movie, incidentally.

    The only redeemable character in the movie was the guy who mocked his girlfriend for giving a homeless guy a Coke.

    otcconan (8b7d8d)

  142. I love that guy when he declares, “I’m glad I’m an asshole!”
    Which character was your friend’s producer? Which band?
    Austin is delightfully cartoonish in its lockstep one-party thinking. Overall pretty harmless. Nothing compared to my native city Philadelphia which is equally one-party democrat but of the ugly union thug / racial politics ilk.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  143. Teri wrote: I suppose [Cindy McCain] doesn’t know her husband Voted Against Equal Pay for Women. If that isn’t “sexism” I don’t what is.

    I love giving trollbots an education.

    First of all, Cindy makes most of the money in the McCain household and has a pre-nup. If John screws up, it might drop him down to middle class :) And two of McCain’s most ardent supporters are women: Meg Whitman, former CEO of eBay, and Carly Fiorina, former CEO of Hewlett-Packard. And McCain chose as second in-command a strong, smart woman who has performed outstandingly heretofore. I doubt Sarah Palin is paid less as Alaska’s governor because she’s a female.

    Secondly, I don’t know what this “equal pay for women” bill is, and neither did most of America before the DNC Convention — most people were paying attention to gas prices — but it sounds like the kind of bills that were put before Congress in the seventies heyday of Bella Abzug and Gloria Steinem, which proposed raising the salaries of jobs traditionally filled by women (for example, secretaries Administrative Assistants and nurses). One of the episodes in the first season of The Mary Tyler Moore Show was about Mary Richards protesting that she wasn’t being paid the same salary for doing the same job as a male colleague. This is NOT an issue that Hillary’s hordes were talking about a lot before early last week, and neither was Obama. It’s been pulled out of the attic as part of “unification.”

    For all you liberals who accuse McCain’s choice of Palin as cynical politics, I submit this “equal pay” bill is this year’s version of 2000’s “James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Act” that Democrats in the Texas legislature promoted nationally knowing full well George W. Bush wouldn’t support it because Texas already had a hate crimes law. An NAACP PAC implied Bush was racist for opposing the bill despite the fact that Bush supported THE DEATH PENALTY against Byrd’s killers, unlike the NAACP and some of Byrd’s relatives!

    L.N. Smithee (b048eb)

  144. otcconan wrote: Not surprised that as a denizen of Austin you would recognize a quote from “Slacker.”

    I tried watching that movie, but I couldn’t decipher a reason why director Richard Linklater had video footage of Space Shuttle Challenger exploding in the background of multiple scenes. What was up with that? That was gruesome and disrespectful.

    And Ron Paul’s Libertarian run for POTUS got prominent product placement.

    L.N. Smithee (b048eb)

  145. “Secondly, I don’t know what this “equal pay for women” bill is, and neither did most of America before the DNC Convention”

    LN – You were getting close later in your comment. It is essentially equal pay for unequal jobs. It is an attempt by vagina warriors to somehow find a way to equalize pay across different jobs, working conditions, industries, etc. If the pay is not equal for “EQUAL” jobs, there is, Oh Noes!, DISCRIMINATION!, OMG. Who determines the equal pay? The government in conjunction with aggrieved vagina warriors of course, who can perform any job, except run for vice president with five children. Nevermind the existing antidiscrimination statutes on the books. WE NEED MORE!!!!!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  146. This used to fly under the banner of “Comparable Worth”.
    Trouble is, we would need one huge, nation-wide bureaucracy to weigh each and every job in the country to determine where on the comparable-worth scale it would be lodged.
    Talk about Totalitarianism!
    If this ever gets implemented, you can just bend over and kiss it, Good-Bye!

    Another Drew (faec8a)

  147. Uh, did you folks miss the part about the NYT changing words to reduce it’s positive impact for Palin? NYT is an out and out disgrace to Journalism.

    mark (c5b9bb)

  148. I don’t like gender or race olitiics … But

    bill-tb (26027c)

  149. When I first saw the headline about male presidential candidate using female gender for partisan benefit I thought it was an article about John McCain and his female surrogate Sarah Palin.

    Lori (0a39bb)

  150. “Comparable worth”? I can’t believe they’re resurrecting that old feminist economy wrecker again. Just proves no idea is ever too poorly thought out for the Dems to hesitate to breathe life into it again.

    Why do the Obamabots talk about “Republicans in charge for eight years” when the last two have seen Dem majorities that postured a lot but accomplished little? And just exactly what have Obama and Biden done in the Senate these past few years that helped address energy needs or any of the other Dem talking point issues? Gas prices have gone up the steepest and the fastest under the Dems’ watch. How can any thinking human spout that talking point and claim consciousness for the last few years?

    inmypajamas (0e8f6b)

  151. PJ…
    Not just the past few years, but what have those two accomplished at all?
    Sloe-Joe has been wrong on every major foreign-policy point since he arrived in DC. His only accomplishment has been to protect the banks/credit cards in DE.
    Obama…Present.

    Another Drew (faec8a)

  152. …and Lori was well thought of until she signed that petition for the release of her mentor: Charles Manson.

    Another Drew (faec8a)

  153. Ms?!?! And then later Mrs in the same paragraph?!?

    Her friends can call her Sarah, but memo to New York Times: IT’S GOVERNOR PALIN to you.

    Travis Monitor (9e3371)

  154. Why do the Obamabots talk about “Republicans in charge for eight years” when the last two have seen Dem majorities that postured a lot but accomplished little?

    (raises hand .. pick me, let answer …)

    That’s because the Pelosi and Reid-led Democrat majority Congress is the most incompetent and unaccomplished and feeble Congress in our lifetimes and if the voters actually figured out that the Democrats are the ones in charge the “CHANGE WE BELIEVE IN” would be to dump any and all Democrat incumbents out of office.

    Travis Monitor (9e3371)

  155. I believe America is ready for a president of any race, background or gender. What we will never be ready for is a weakling. Goodbye, Barry.

    Steve-o (56a0a8)

  156. Hiding behind some womens skirts and Hillary’s Cankles Suits.

    Wade Garrett (c92736)

  157. I haven’t read all the comments here, so I’m not sure if this is on-topic or not.,….

    Maybe the Dems ought ask Obama to do the Eagleton thing so they can try again.

    Larry Sheldon (86b2e1)

  158. #157 the eagleton thing is passe- now they have the torricelli factor. And I wonder how dear crook Torricelli is enjoying life, Gary Condit and Mark Foley also.

    I think Obama actually wanted gov. Sebelius, but that idea didn’t poll well or some such?

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  159. If I remember correctly, it’s the Times’ practice to use “Ms.” when the subject prefers it, or if the Times’ does not know the subject’s preference. (Btw, “Miss” is no longer an acceptable alternative in their style guide.)

    Since the change in the style guide came during the Clinton administration, I recall Hillary told them specifically at that time that she prefers “Mrs.”

    One can only assume that Gov. Palin prefers “Ms.” – or the Times’ hasn’t bothered to ask her. Either answer is fodder for an interesting story, especially if the mother of five from Wasilla, Alaska chooses to be more of a “Ms.” than the reigning champion for the feminist movement.

    The Black Republican (126c36)

  160. Well, when in doubt, in this case, they should use “Governor”!

    Another Drew (faec8a)

  161. I just realized that all of you for McCain are those people we see on movies that hide in their house and stay on the computer all day long because they are afraid of going outside. You spend all day googling and think of smart ass remarks to make to people because that is the only communication you have with people. Hopefully, your absentee voter paper will get lost in the mail.

    Admit it, if Obama was a white man you would be voting for him. McCain has had his opportunity to make a difference in Washington, but he has done nothing but stand behind Bush. MaCain has no plan to “change” he is just saying it because Obama said it first and now McCain wants to jump on the band waggon. Don’t worry about spending all night and day responding because I actually leave the front of my computer and my house. :)

    Jerry (9b7085)

  162. #161 – all of you for McCain are those people we see on movies that hide in their house

    if Obama was a white man you would be voting for him.

    Jerry can stereotype at 120 slurs a minute.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  163. Jerry –

    Admit it, if Obama was a white man you would be voting for him.
    — Not true. I didn’t vote for Hillary either.

    McCain has had his opportunity to make a difference in Washington, but he has done nothing but stand behind Bush.
    — Even during the 18 years when he was there but Bush was not?

    MaCain has no plan to “change” he is just saying it because Obama said it first and now McCain wants to jump on the band waggon.
    — You haven’t been paying very close attention, have you.

    Don’t worry about spending all night and day responding because I actually leave the front of my computer and my house.
    — Translation: I drop my load of non sequiters, lies, and ad hominem attacks, and then I run away like a little two-balled bitch.

    Icy Truth (6e6d48)

  164. Lori…

    Teri…

    Am I the only one who thinks these two are one in the same???

    Nice try….keep playing…

    reff (b68a4f)

  165. Excuse my butting in but people like Teri/Kim really burn me up. They assume that people who are conservatives are also stupid. I am a 60 plus woman who raised 4 children after my divorce, never took welfare, had a wonderful job with a major manufacturing plant (yes, on the shop floor), 1 son – Master’s, 1 son -CPA, 1 – son owns computer store and my daughter owns an auto supply store. I did not get through high school as I had to help out at home. No, my parents didn’t expect government to bail them out. Kim/Teri need to get out more and look around them. There are a lot of hard-working people that depend on themselves. And guess what, we like it that way!!!! See I can use exclamation points too.

    Sandy (583bc3)

  166. Sandy, what you stated is wrong. You are making assumptions. I work everyday, yes teaching. My husband and I take care of our children. We pay our bills and our taxes. Yes, I do get out quite often. When I came to this site I read the horrible comments that were made about Obama and I just stated how I felt about the issues, about this country that has changed for the worse (housing market, unemployment rate), and about how most of this has occured in the last past 8 years. In no way becauseI am asking people on this site to realize what is happening am I asking or need a handout. Instead individuals on this site started name calling, doing grammar and spell check, and simply exactly what McCain and Palin has done which is side track. They took what Obama has said and made it personal instead of stating the facts. The reason they have done this is because they can not stand up and say what they have done for the economy. McCain is totally back sliding in which now he is for change, now it is okay to have a little experience to be in the Vice President, and now he says some republicans have not worked for the people. Well, that some republican is Bush and he has sided with him over 90% of the time. Now watch the names I will be called for stating the truth. It resembles Palin tyrant about Obama. She really needs to focus on her daughter and the fact that her beliefs for teen sex was not heard in her own household. How can I listen to her when her own child did not!!!!!!!! No it is not a statement it is a question :)

    Kim (9b7085)

  167. And did I just read that Obama is going to fight all of this energy and electricity by . . . hiding behind some womens’ skirts?

    Heh. My favorite part about all this is that apparently those women were not considered important enough to spread the Obama message, until he knew he had to run against a girl. And that somehow, sending out a girl is the only way to answer a female candidate. I think Senator Obama has some issues with his mother to go along with all the daddy issues.

    Lea (e20489)

  168. For the record I have a Bachelors Degree, a Masters Degree, and I hold several credentials.
    Comment by Kim — 9/4/2008 @ 10:48 pm
    [Not really a] Wild guess:
    Education, right?
    Comment by Unix-Jedi — 9/5/2008 @ 5:02 am

    Hah! I Win At The Internet!
    Seriously, Kim, doesn’t it strike you as interesting that I knew exactly what field your advanced degrees and certs were in just based on a couple of comments?

    this country that has changed for the worse (housing market, unemployment rate)

    Housing market doesn’t have anything directly to do with the President. Unemployment? What *is* the unemployment rate right now, Kim? What has it been from 2000? What has it been over the last 16 years?

    They took what Obama has said and made it personal instead of stating the facts.

    Not true. Even if it was – when we state the facts we get accused of racism. Or lying. Facts are not where you want to argue *for* Obama. Well, you will. But that’s back to somehow, mysteriously, I knew your degrees were all in education.

    Funny, that, no?

    Unix-Jedi (486100)

  169. Having a degree and credentials in Education has become more of an oxymoron than “Military Intelligence”.
    Would we buy a used car from this woman?

    Another Drew (e872c7)

  170. #168 I did my homework and if you want the rest of the information here is the website

    The Labor Department report: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

    I found some of it for you, but just like I tell my students you have to do some of your work on your own! :)

    http://www.kansascity.com/811/story/783829.html

    Department report Friday showed that the nation’s unemployment rate leapt to 6.1 percent in August, employers shed jobs for the eighth consecutive month and revised numbers for earlier months showed even greater payroll hits.

    Employers shed 84,000 jobs last month, the Labor Department said, and the unemployment rate moved up by a larger than expected four-tenths of a percentage point. There were job losses across most of the broad spectrum of U.S. employment, especially in the manufacturing, retail and construction sectors.

    But Friday’s jobs numbers pointed to a serious slowdown and erased any confidence about the economy for just about anyone outside the optimistic Bush administration. What?

    Another Drew- You are probably one of the kids who earned an “F” in my class.

    Kim (9b7085)

  171. Nice, Kim, that you did your research. Kudos for that.

    steve miller (3c2c90)

  172. Kim, for a further explanation of those numbers, you might want to go here
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122065936950805741.html
    And, no. I wasn’t one of your students.
    I don’t think you’re that old, chronologically;
    even though your synapses seem to be atrophied.

    Another Drew (e872c7)

  173. unemployment rate moved up by a larger than expected four-tenths of a percentage point.

    Kim – D’oh. Who are these people who are never expecting these moves in the economy. Shouldn’t they be fired for being lousy at their jobs?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  174. Kim:
    Yes, good you cited some hard evidence this time.

    But you failed to denote any context or comparison. The unemployment rate of 6.1% is up a bit. Under the years of the Clinton Administration, 5.5% was usually considered the structural minimum, the baseline. For most of the years of the Bush Administration (President’s don’t directly control unemployment), it has been well under 5.5%. 6.1% is more, granted. But neither does it fall under the category of “bad” compared to the nationwide 9% under Carter (up to 18% in many industrial areas).

    Putting 6.1% in context – it’s not so bad. Declaring the causes, largely due to fuel and power cost increases. Is Bush to blame for them? Not really. Most of that is due to environmental controls and congressional legislation. It would be far too large to go into here to discuss the congressionally-mandated EPA requirements. Now, if you want to blame Bush for *not* reining in the EPA more, that would make some sense, but it’s totally against your Daily Kos talking points that he “gutted the EPA.”
    The other huge impact to the economy and job statistics is due to the implosion of the “Housing” market. Which was due to Bush, exactly, how?

    It resembles Palin tyrant about Obama.

    Whowhatnow? (Please tell me you’re not an English teacher.)

    She really needs to focus on her daughter and the fact that her beliefs for teen sex was not heard in her own household.

    I thought the democrat sorts were all about choice and not repressing sex. Apparently not. Her beliefs for teen sex we don’t know. We don’t know what her daughter took out of that, or even that her daughter didn’t learn everything taught. Your attack depends on slander and innuendo. I’ve known many a 17 (or younger) year old girl who intentionally got pregnant.

    Palin really scares the hell out of you, doesn’t she?

    Unix-Jedi (486100)

  175. #174

    “We don’t know what her daughter took out of that, or even that her daughter didn’t learn everything taught”.

    You know everything else, you should know this. In Alaska she fought to have sex education taken out of schools. She only wanted schools to teach abstinence. I am sure if her views were strong enough to share in the school systems, she discussed this same view with her children. Again, as a stated if her children did not listen to her, why should I?

    No, Palin does not scare the hell out of me, but I know Obama scares the hell out of you! Palin is just another republican running her mouth and the only reason McCain picked her is because his advisors needed a diversion from the real issues McCain is running from. Let me explain it so you can understand. Let’s start a fire over here, so they won’t see us stealing over there. In other words keep her talking because she does not look like McCain and the other “old” republicans and maybe the American people will forget about all of the problems we have caused in America. On CNN last night they polled a group of middle age Evangelist. The first question was, “How many of you were going to vote for McCain before Palin?” No one out of 8 people raised their hand. The next question was, “After he placed Palin as Vice President, how many of you will vote for him now?” 6 of the 8 people raised their hands. McCain is the candidate she is just a smoke screen.

    Kim (9b7085)

  176. In Alaska she fought to have sex education taken out of schools. She only wanted schools to teach abstinence.

    Good! That’s how the political system works! (I don’t agree with her, but I understand that she doesn’t agree with me, either.)

    It’s part an argument I’ve had with many people over the effect of the government taking over some area (such as sex ed) these people decry any attempts of the citizens, taxpayers, rotten stinking peasants to have the system reflect their views. This makes no sense. Once the government teaches morality-based decision making, your (left-wing) morality won’t necessarily be the winning one.
    But, furthermore, I don’t know that’s what she did. I’ve seen lots of accusations about that’s what she’s done, but so far, the libel/slander to fact ratio is staggeringly high.

    but I know Obama scares the hell out of you!

    That might be the first thing you’ve said that’s objectively provable. Yes, yes he does. He’s got a great track record of saying whatever the crowd in front of him wants to hear, despite what he will end up doing.
    He’s allied and close to some people who are virulently anti-American (despite profiting massively from all that they rant and rave about). He’s historically illiterate, prone to boasting about other’s deeds to gain indirect stature. For 2 weeks earlier in the primary season, not a single day went by without a retraction or apology for what had been said/released earlier. (Which doesn’t even get into my single biggest objection: his board membership of the Joyce Foundation.)
    Yes, that scares me.

    As does your sheer hatred of a woman who embodies the American dream, who’s worked for herself, who understands the needs of small business (which makes or breaks the economy), who’s served on the school board – to serve the community, and the town, and the state. All without anywhere near the radicalism you ascribe to her.. Yes, that hatred is very telling. It also demonstrates who’s really to blame for the “divisive nature of today’s politics”, as well.

    Unix-Jedi (486100)

  177. I have to admit, I’ve never been to this site before, but these past few days have had me scouring sites for conservative centered blogs, etc. Its been a fascinating read on this subject, too, and I love it! Although, I have to ask Kim a couple of things.

    Under the Bush administration, it is a proven fact that the US has had a major and sustained economic boom, with economic growth year over year. Unheard of economic increase has been made under the Bush administration. Also, the unemployment rate has been, for years, at an unprecedented low. Even now, with a slight increase in the unemployment rate, it is still lower than the average unemployment rates of the past few decades. And many of the contributing factors to the current economic downturn have been outside of the president’s hands. How is it that you, Kim, tie this directly to President Bush? I’m not trying to say that he has been a perfect president, just that I do not see how it is completely his fault, as you would have it appear to be? And, when you mention gas prices rising and the housing market crash, why is it that democrats and followers of Senator Obama never seem to bring up the fact that these economic problems have occurred within the last two years, in which it has been democrats in charge of congress (which organization is where laws are created)? Gas prices have risen over time, but really only spiked so high to the $4 a gallon mark (which democrats seem to like to point to as a figure) within the last couple of years since your party of choice has been in control of congress. Please, prove me wrong on this? And also, please tell me what you think of (what I consider) the amazing amounts of earmark pork barrel money that Senator Obama has claimed in only less than one full time as a senator? I don’t understand why arguments such as these aren’t made by the republican party, but I hope they get brought up on the campaign trail of Senator McCain and Governor Palin. I am eagerly awaiting the debates to come, both between presidential candidates and vice-presidential candidates!

    Robert (608c00)

  178. #177 I agree, I can not wait for the debates. I believe the first presidential one will be on September 28. It is going to be interesting to see how McCain is going to handle himself without Palin.

    #176 It is funny how you can see the honor in how Palin has lived, but you can not see the same in Obama. The only one anti-American comment was from his ex-minister and if you can control everything that comes out of the mouth of people you know, talk with, worship with, or just hang around please let me know how you do it. Also, when the media and Republicans were throwing out slanders at Obama about his family, background, and friends I am sure you loved it, but now it is Palins turn and the media is being harsh. Wow!

    Kim (9b7085)

  179. That’s right Kim, ignore what Bill Ayers has said; or even more, ignore what he has done, for actions always speak louder than words.
    Bill Ayers is PROUD that he set bombs that destroyed property and snuffed out lives; and, he only regrets that he couldn’t have done more!

    You are an imbecile!

    Another Drew (b60e19)

  180. Actually, Kim, I wouldn’t just call him his “ex-minister”. That was a man that the Obama’s went and cheered and worshiped under for 20 years. That’s a heck of a long time to be looking up to and revering someone but to try and say “I don’t believe the way he does.” now. How do you explain the sudden change of heart from constant church-goer of the anti-American sentiments, to now NOT believing in what was preached to you for 20 years?

    Robert (608c00)

  181. Oh…and about how McCain will do in debates without Palin? I’d say more than fine. HE was the one that wanted MORE debates…debates with him that Obama back out on. Originally there were 10 debates agreed upon, and OBAMA scaled that back to 3. Why, I wonder? Don’t forget, McCain has had DECADES more experience debating in senate challenges, etc., than Obama has; and also debates are where McCain always does MUCH better, compared to big, oratory speeches.

    Robert (608c00)

  182. The only one anti-American comment was from his ex-minister

    Only one? One?
    What about Bill Ayers? (For one). Dohrn? His *wife*?

    and if you can control everything that comes out of the mouth of people you know, talk with, worship with, or just hang around please let me know how you do it.

    It’s very simple, and I have that control.
    If they start spouting racist hate, ignorant trash, insulting America, cheering on those who hate and kill Americans, or just plain are offensive to myself and others?
    I stop hanging out with them. If I didn’t, if I repeatedly returned for their support – much less for 20+ years – then I should be expected to be sympathetic, or in agreement with their views.
    How long would you “hang out” with Sarah Palin? How long would you attend her church?

    Also, when the media and Republicans were throwing out slanders at Obama about his family,

    The media’s done none of that. They’ve bent over backwards not discussing the ties with Rezko. Or the contradictory paper trail of many of his claims.

    background, and friends I am sure you loved it, but now it is Palins turn and the media is being harsh. Wow!

    No, they’re making stuff up. In other words, lying. Notice the lack of sourcing for these rumors. “People say” = “I say”.
    It’s not a “Wow” moment for me. I’ve known for a long time how biased, ignorant, and plain lazy the press was for a long time. S’why I got out of it.

    The McCain campaign predicted their behavior, planned for it, and entrapped them in their own bias and preconceptions.
    And they walked into it sure of their own superiority.
    Much as a teacher walked in here, certain of her own superiority. But has failed to deal with any issue refuted, brought up, or specified.

    Speaking of things you stated with authority…
    The Republican vice presidential candidate says students should be taught about condoms. Her running mate — and the party platform — disagree.

    What was that you said? “and the fact that her beliefs for teen sex was not heard in her own household.
    (But, Kim, I thought you can’t control other people?)
    You said that you knew what Sarah Palin has said and taught her daughters. But it appears that you didn’t know that. Did you?

    It resembles Palin tyrant about Obama.

    I know you don’t go back and discuss things that were brought up, but I’d really like to know what you’re saying here. I realize that I only have the single bachelor’s degree in Polymer Engineering, so you might have to use smallish words, but please try and enlighten my flown-around head.

    Unix-Jedi (486100)

  183. Kim –

    When I came to this site I read the horrible comments that were made about Obama
    — Keep this statement in mind when we get to your comments about Gov Palin.

    and I just stated how I felt about the issues,
    — It’s all about feelings; isn’t it?

    about this country that has changed for the worse (housing market, unemployment rate), and about how most of this has occured in the last past 8 years.
    — Cyclical events occur cyclically? Go figure.

    In no way because I am asking people on this site to realize what is happening am I asking or need a handout.
    — But if you did ask, we would lend a hand . . . well, a finger anyway.

    Instead individuals on this site started name calling, doing grammar and spell check,
    — “Only when it was funny.”

    and simply exactly what McCain and Palin has done which is side track.
    — All of us regulars are willing to fully engage in substantive debate. For that to take place there has to be substance emanating from both sides. Non sequiters, such as the one I am responding to right now, provide no platform for discussion.

    They took what Obama has said and made it personal instead of stating the facts.
    — Another non sequiter.

    The reason they have done this is because they can not stand up and say what they have done for the economy.
    — They can and have; question is, where you listening?

    McCain is totally back sliding in which now he is for change, now it is okay to have a little experience to be in the Vice President, and now he says some republicans have not worked for the people.
    — He has never not said that or said anything different, especially about it being okay for the VP to have experience.

    Well, that some republican is Bush and he has sided with him over 90% of the time. Now watch the names I will be called for stating the truth.
    — Didn’t we settle this already? Did you not watch Obama’s interview today? the one in which he defended being the exact same way?

    It resembles Palin tyrant about Obama.
    — Uh, uh, uh, I don’t know. Did you mean “Palin tyro”? Just a guess.

    She really needs to focus on her daughter and the fact that her beliefs for teen sex was not heard in her own household.
    — You really need to run your own household and let Sarah run hers.

    How can I listen to her when her own child did not!!!!!!!! No it is not a statement it is a question
    — It’s the same meaningless question that was asked of Ronald Reagan and his rebellious kids. It’s also the same question you won’t ask of Joe “my daughter has been arrested” Biden.

    In Alaska she fought to have sex education taken out of schools.
    — Prove it.

    No, Palin does not scare the hell out of me, but I know Obama scares the hell out of you!
    — And the point of this statement is what?

    when the media and Republicans were throwing out slanders at Obama about his family, background, and friends I am sure you loved it, but now it is Palins turn and the media is being harsh.
    — And to prove your point you will now document all of the instances where the MSM questioned his fitness as a parent or suggested that to take the job would be to abandon his family. GO!

    Icy Truth (a1fb87)

  184. Kim, dearie.

    It’s best not to slander someone when you accuse them of slander.

    When you say “Palin fought to remove sex education from schools” (or whatever the trope is today), you are, you know, slandering.

    I know this is hard for your mind and worldview to accept, but just because Daily Kos or HuffPo says something does not make it true, and stamping your little feet only makes you look — little.

    Cheers.

    steve miller (3c2c90)

  185. Those of you that shout that I am slandering Palin, you really need to do your research. Also, a statement is not slander if it is a proven fact. Check out her website it specifically states her views on teen sex.

    The only other comment that I would like to address is:

    Only one? One?
    What about Bill Ayers? (For one). Dohrn? His *wife*?

    What? So now his wife is anti-American. My husband told me last night, “Why are you wasting your time on that website?” My father told me Americans voting for McCain must be stupid if they are looking at what is going on around America. I came to the conclusion today after the statement You are an imbecile! that they both are right. I realized this is you guys only little site where you lie to each, agree with each other, and I have interrupted your way of actually making each other feel better. If you want to continue to believe that the media has not said harsh things about Obama and his family (for example, cartoon of him and his wife with a picture of Bin Laden over the fire place in a major newspaper)keep believeing it. Because the real imbeciles are the individuals who come to this site blaming everyone else other than those that should be held accountable. This is my last visit because unfortunatly you have been brain washed. The Republican martians have taken over your brains. Hopefully, there is enough Americans that still have their own brain who will make the right decision to get this country back on the right track for our future and our children.

    Also, whomever is elected should be held accountable for the promises they have made in the last year!

    Kim (9b7085)

  186. Kim, evidently the way that you convince yourself of your support for Obama is to do your best not to understand what people are saying about him.

    As for your last line, then you will not vote for Obama since he reneged on two different promises in the last year – public campaign funding and the telecom immunity legislation?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  187. Kim –

    Those of you that shout that I am slandering Palin, you really need to do your research.
    — Give us a more complete profile of yourself and we’ll track down whether you’ve done it before.

    Also, a statement is not slander if it is a proven fact.
    — Also, when it’s written it is libel, not slander. Talk about not doing your research! Look, it’s easy to remember: speech = slander, literary = libel.

    Check out her website it specifically states her views on teen sex.
    — You’re gonna have to provide a link, since it isn’t there.

    What? So now his wife is anti-American.
    — Bernardine Dohrn has been anti-American for all of her adult life, just like her husband. It isn’t “now”, as in ‘new'; it is ALWAYS.

    My husband told me last night, “Why are you wasting your time on that website?”
    — Because we’re cute and cuddly.

    My father told me Americans voting for McCain must be stupid if they are looking at what is going on around America.
    — Another “McCain will be exactly the same as Bush” statement. Sorry, that’s false.

    I came to the conclusion today after the statement You are an imbecile! that they both are right.
    — Teacher, heal thyself.

    I realized this is you guys only little site where you lie to each, agree with each other, and I have interrupted your way of actually making each other feel better.
    — You have not interrupted a thing. Voice opinions as opinions; avoid non sequiters and ad hominem attacks. We might play a little rough around here, but unfair? Not.

    If you want to continue to believe that the media has not said harsh things about Obama and his family (for example, cartoon of him and his wife with a picture of Bin Laden over the fire place in a major newspaper)keep believeing it.
    — That you misinterpreted that cartoon, as did the campaign and many of the left-leaning New Yorker’s readers, reveals how thoroughly you research the subjects you write about.

    Because the real imbeciles are the individuals who come to this site blaming everyone else other than those that should be held accountable.
    — Actually, we only blame the people who commit bad acts; we never go looking for the person who made them that way, or any other form of ducking personal responsibility.

    This is my last visit because unfortunatly you have been brain washed. The Republican martians have taken over your brains.
    — This would be one of those ad hominem attacks.

    Hopefully, there is enough Americans that still have their own brain who will make the right decision to get this country back on the right track for our future and our children.
    — There are. Come back on Nov. 5th to be consoled.

    Also, whomever is elected should be held accountable for the promises they have made in the last year!
    — It’s benign this time, but this is yet another non sequiter.

    Icy Truth (a7ead4)

  188. Kim…your cartoon example is completely off the mark…the artist, and the magazine, both said the cartoon was a criticism of the Republicans for their “rumors” about the Obama’s, not at all against or meant to be harsh about them…

    And, you think we don’t pay attention….

    reff (b68a4f)

  189. Kim:

    Ah, I see the American Educational System Triumphs Again!

    This is my last visit because unfortunately you have been brain washed.
    I feel for your students, I really do. So, because you rant, and we don’t agree with you, we’re brainwashed.
    Despite the factual failings of your arguments, and your insistence that you’re right, without any proof.
    Hopefully you no longer wonder why I knew immediately you were a teacher.

    So now his wife is anti-American.
    No, she’s been anti-American for quite some time. Have you read her graduate work?

    I realized this is you guys only little site where you lie to each,
    We can but hope you’re not an English teacher.

    But I assume you mean “Lie to each other”, which is oddly contrasted with what you said immediately after:If you want to continue to believe that the media has not said harsh things about Obama and his family (for example, cartoon of him and his wife with a picture of Bin Laden over the fire place in a major newspaper),
    you might want to, oh, stop lying.

    It wasn’t in a major newspaper. It was in a magazine. It wasn’t to critique Obama, it was “How the Right Sees Obama”. So in itself, it was either a lie, or an attempt to insulate him from criticism.
    You can’t be bothered to find out where it was, what it was, but you can think the worst of us for, well, knowing what’s going on.
    You don’t know what’s going on. And you call us brainwashed?

    Because the real imbeciles are the individuals who come to this site blaming everyone else other than those that should be held accountable.

    Kim, if I felt you actually believed that, I’d ask you which party’s nominees are actually trying to get accountability to your insular profession. But I can with some degree of certainty be assured accountability is the last thing you want as a measure of your job performance.

    It goes with the calling the informed “brainwashed”, refusing to admit when you’re wrong, and inability to defend yourself.
    At least, you’re not alone.

    Unix-Jedi (651a1b)

  190. Actually, Kim, I don’t feel brainwashed at all. I simply choose to vote for a man who will run the country the way I think it needs to be ran, from his stance on taxes to national defense. You choose to vote for YOUR candidate for the same reason. For example, in my eyes, Senator Obama wants to change the tax system to a socialist “redistribution of wealth” system. That hasn’t worked with the welfare program (which needs a DRASTIC overhaul, because it does NOT operate as it was intended to do). You don’t think that way about Senator Obama’s tax program, and that’s fine for you. I choose to follow Senator McCain’s tax formula, which is very much akin to the “trickle down economics” of the Reagan era and works VERY well for the economy. They are very different methods of taxation; you just think your candidate is right, and I think mine is.

    As for the “libel or slander” of Governor Palin…there IS some valid truth to what has been said by other posters. Most, if not all, of the RUMORS about Governor Palin have been proven FALSE.

    The bridge to nowhere and saying she is lying about it? Mayor Palin thought it sounded like a good idea for the state, WHILE she was a mayor of Wasila. When she became Governor of Alaska, she got MORE information on the mythical bridge and came to the conclusion that it WAS a bad idea, and she DID put a stop to it (papers at the time already said this; and even the democratic party of Alaska PRAISED her on their website with a story of how she did the RIGHT thing stopping the bridge project). Of course, that website mysteriously doesn’t exist now, but I DID see it before it was taken down, and it DOES say so. OF course, you COULD go back further than that, and focus on congress, where both Senator Biden AND Senator Obama voted FOR the bridge. Senator McCain spoke out AGAINST it. Both the democratic senators were even given a SECOND chance to vote against it (the democratic head at the time wanted to move the money to Katrina victims, which Senator Obama uses as a calling card for what a great guy he is), and they STILL voted for the bridge again.

    That’s just one example. If you want to find more debunking of the rumors (which have been posted in major newspapers and blog sites), go to http://www.factcheck.org where they have done debunking for you. She (Governor Palin) HAS been smeared by the left wing controlled mass media, and they are only hurting their candidates campaign by doing so.

    Robert (608c00)


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