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8/31/2008

Quote of the Day

Filed under: 2008 Election — DRJ @ 8:47 pm

[Guest post by DRJ]

Alan Wolfe, professor of political science and director of Boston College’s Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life, as quoted in the Washington Post on the reaction of evangelicals to Sarah Palin:

“These are people who have been beat up and beat up by their Republican allies time and time again. Their gratitude is actually unseemly. They have leapt up to embrace her without knowing much about her.”

For comparison purposes, here’s Prof. Wolfe’s take on Barack Obama and Jeremiah Wright:

“But I do think that when we address race, we ought to do it, not by running endless videos of people, black or white, who have said outrageous things but by finally having the honest conversation about race we keep promising ourselves–and keep postponing. Agree or disagree with Obama, I ask people who are less inspired by him that I am, but at least acknowledge that in this presidential candidate, we have a man of honor–and an honest man.”

Hope and Change, Professor.

— DRJ

95 Responses to “Quote of the Day”

  1. This is very discouraging news.
    Do you realize that now the MSM, and the Leftards,
    are going to paint Gov. Palin as someone completely out of the mainstream.

    Next thing we know, they’ll be accusing her of being in the pocket of Big Oil,
    or a knuckle-dragging member of the NRA!
    This is going to get ugly, folks.

    Another Drew (221871)

  2. Drew: And this is different from how they’ve painted every other person with whom they disagree politically … how, exactly?

    PCachu (e072b7)

  3. I am continually amazed at how the MSM believes lefty academics can comment authoritatively on right wing evangelicals.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  4. daleyrocks – and the more they attempt to ‘paint’ Palin with these falsehoods, the more they discredit their already shaky credibility.

    The left and the Democratic party are corruption. Their panicked attacks against a proven reformer erase the possibility of a debate on that fact.

    Apogee (186a12)

  5. A left-leaning college professor . . . what are the odds?

    “Their gratitude is actually unseemly.”

    In-fucking-credible.

    What a great tactic! Since there’s a high likelihood of backlash if they pile on her, just attack the people that like her instead. That way, she does not become a martyr, yet doubts are still planted by proxy (“Did you get a look at these loons who are her strongest supporters?”). It could be enough to give an independent voter pause. This also presents ample evidence that a doctorate need not reflect wisdom, impartiality, morality, ethics, intellectual honesty, etc.

    Icy Truth (5bcf70)

  6. we have a man of honor–and an honest man.

    And here I thought he was talking about Sen. Obama…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  7. I suspect that Prof Wolfe’s view of evangelicals (of whom I know a great many) is fairly obscured due to his position on his knees as he services The One.

    JorgXMcKie (c6778e)

  8. Just go back and read Wolfe’s take on Obama’s Philadelphia race speech earlier this spring and you’ll get a good idea of the depth of Wolfe’s man-crush on the Obamessiah.

    JVW (d54fc4)

  9. PCachu…
    Sorry that I took so long to respond.
    My absolute sarcasm seems to be lost on you.
    My apologies.

    Another Drew (72d59a)

  10. I believe that Alan Wolfe is not bashing the people or Palin that you think have been painted of falsehood, but the mere fact that people of the United States do not know her well enough, and yet those who stand upon the Republican side embrace her without even the knowledge of knowing who she really is and what greatness she is truly as a republican nomination of vp candidate.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  11. Zpoppa, so you’ve ignored the contrast with Wolfe’s opinion of Obama without any more knowledge of him?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  12. You forget that people did not fully embrace Obama just like that. Even so, what role does Palin truly play, if not experienced? The fact is, is that Obama has said time and time again of who he is and what he stands for, he has some experience, and not only that, but he has Joe Biden, a fairly experienced man, by his side. John McCain is fairly experienced as well, but what effort will that do if he cannot gain any advice from the one who they nominated to be vp? Tell me (if you know) what good will Palin be if she doesn’t have any experience whatsoever?

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  13. Zpoppa, those are not “facts”. Obama has been hiding who he is, hiding the facts of his past work with domestic terrorists like Ayers, hiding Wright etc., until they popped up. Then Obama would pretend not to know who they were.

    Obama himself has never given any specifics of what he stands for, that was a key theme of Hillary’s campaign against him and to date, Obama still fails to explain any of his positions in any detail.

    Obama has no real accomplishments to show us. Palin has more executive experience than Obama or Biden. Biden is himself not a “fairly experienced” man, having little real accomplishment himself other than continually being reelected to a Senate post where Biden does more for MBNA than for Delaware citizens.

    Claiming that Palin “doesn’t have any experience whatsoever” is a falsehood – especially in contrast to Obama’s empty resume.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  14. Well, she is unexperienced. Whether you like it or not, she has no experience with foreign policy, healthcare or anything in the matter. To say that she has more experience thatn both Obama and Biden is insulting because she’s only been mayor of 18,000 people, and governor for 2 years, hardly enough to even say that she hase more experience.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  15. Zpoppa, Palin’s lack of experience in foreign policy is about equal to Obama’s.

    And if you think that comparing Palin’s executive experience to Obama and Biden’s is insulting, I agree. that’s because Obama and Biden together have ZERO executive experience.

    You really don’t have any idea what you are talking about, do you? Here’s a hint – Obama’s campaign talking points are incompetent. Think before you copy them.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  16. That’s quite a sentence there, Zpoppa. The problem is this: Wolfe is characterizing evangelicals as sheeple who “embrace” whatever and whomever the Republican Party throws at them, no matter the consequences. And remember, it isn’t just the blind acceptance that he objects to; it’s blind acceptance of something that in his opinion is harmful (“These are people who have been beat up and beat up by their Republican allies time and time again”).

    He is bashing both the people that inflict these terrible things upon their followers and the followers themselves for sitting there and taking it. He’s making a grand assumption that most of the people that are praising McCain’s choice a) have not bothered to investigate her ourselves, and b) will not bother to do so, because we’ve for so long been hypnotized into taking things on faith — so to speak.

    That isn’t “mere” anything; it’s more like smear. He’s attempting to intellectualize his highly-biased political opinion — and failing miserably, by the way.

    But that’s just my opinion. It may be that I have yet to achieve “the knowledge of knowing”.

    Icy Truth (a7ead4)

  17. One of the clues that Obama knows just how unqualified he is for President is that among the campaign talking points about his qualifications is the campaign itself.

    That’s right. The Obama campaign claims that running a Presidential campaign is itself sufficent to make a person qualified for the office.

    It is hilarious and its an example of the incompetent talking points being fed to people like “Zpoppa” above.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  18. Do not compare Palin to Obama and Biden, because she has no executive experience to even sit on, case and point. How sad, you really need to study the candidates more before you cast a point across. I can’t believe you think being mayor and then a governor for 2 years is enough of experience to hold vp, what if McCain died?

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  19. Zpoppa, why do you lie in one sentence where the evidence that you know you are lying is in the next one you write?

    Obama and Biden have spent ZERO years as mayor or governor. ZERO. Palin’s experiences are therefore infinitely greater in a mathematical sense. But you write that she has “no executive experience” ? A plain lie that you know is a lie?

    What is wrong with you?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  20. I can see how you can state that, and I can truly understand your opinion, just different view on my part that’s all, Icytruth

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  21. Zpoppa, you don’t have a “different view”, you are making stuff up.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  22. I know that Both biden and Obama haven’t been governor, but they both are senators. and if you think a governor’s 2year experience is enough against joe biden’s experience of 6terms in the senate you must be mistake, that’s like telling hilary that she is experienced even as a senator.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  23. Zwhatsit:

    Do not compare Palin to Obama and Biden,

    Speak to yourself, bud. Any comparison of Obama AND only makes them look like a pair of incompetents experienced only at corruption~or at the least, politics as usual.

    BTW, your sentence structures make me curious: you’re not from this country, are you?

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  24. Zpoppa…
    FYI, Gov. Palin ram-rodded an agreement through with Canada for a Natural Gas Pipeline from the North Slope of Alaska, through Canada, to the Mid-West.
    Last I heard, Sen. Obama had managed to insult the Canadian Government by saying that he was going to unilaterally change the NAFTA Treaty.

    We have a Vice-Presidential candidate who has successfully negotiated a trade-agreement with Canada; v,
    A Presidential candidate who has insulted the Canadian Government.

    Yes, you’re right. There are unqualified people running for national office.

    Another Drew (72d59a)

  25. *not*
    sorry for the mistakes

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  26. Let’s just end this, because you know what I’m a Democrat and you’re a Republican, obviously.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  27. *what*
    sorry type to fast do’nt mind the typing errors

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  28. It isn’t that I don’t liked John McCain or Palin, I just want things to change.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  29. Zwhatzit:

    Let’s just end this, because you know what I’m a Democrat

    See, the real difference is that we believe, with education and compassion, that can be cured.

    Usually.

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  30. So basically, Zpoppa, your entire argument depends on the fact that you are ignorant of what “executive experience” actually is.

    Great.

    That’s a key attribute of an Obama voter – ignorance of the issues.

    What is it with Democrats that they are so fascinating with Senators who do nothing at all in the Senate? First there was John Kerry, the least accomplished Senator of his day with literally no legislation to his name in decades. Now we have Obama who has done almost as little in the Senate as Kerry. And Biden, the wholly owned Senate subsidiary of MBNA.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  31. What makes you think i don’t believe? I have gone through fraud and forecloseure, and not once has John McCain detailed how he was going to help.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  32. Zpoppa:

    It isn’t that I don’t liked John McCain or Palin, I just want things to change.

    What, exactly, is it that you want to change?

    And again, you’re sentence structure leads me to believe you are from this country, so why are you even interested in our internal politics?

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  33. That’s funny how you say that, because republicans had voted for George Bush twice. Shows you how smart you are!

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  34. Zit Popper –

    John McCain is fairly experienced as well, but what effort will that do if he cannot gain any advice from the one who they nominated to be vp?
    — 1) The fact that she has less experience than McCain does not mean that she has nothing to offer him, especially since she has executive experience and he does not. 2) The POTUS has an entire team from which to draw and compile advice: cabinet secretaries, agency advisers and directors, department heads, ambassadors, members of the two other branches of government — and the vice-president. He will be fine.

    Tell me (if you know) what good will Palin be if she doesn’t have any experience whatsoever?
    — What good are you as someone to have a discussion with, when you tell outright lies like that?

    Well, she is unexperienced [sic]. Whether you like it or not, she has no experience with foreign policy, healthcare [sic] or anything in the matter.
    — Actually, she has substantive accomplishments on her record, achievements that include dealing with health care in her state. Re: foreign policy, is it your contention that no state governor should ever be considered for the office of president or vice-president? including the governor of a state that conducts direct trade with Russia? If so, we need to have a discussion about the experience of the last two Democratic presidents.

    Icy Truth (a7ead4)

  35. Zpoppa:

    not once has John McCain detailed how he was going to help.

    Those are things you need a lawyer to help you with, not a politician.

    (Ironically, you’re in the right place.)

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  36. #33 Zpoppa:

    Shows you how smart you are!

    You aren’t giving us a whole lot to work with here, you are not effectively communicating much of anything.

    And as for voting for Bush, I could certainly well be a mad genius with a penchant for voting for Texans.

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  37. Zpoppa, if you think that Obama is going to pay your mortgage payments, you are only confirming my opinion of Obama voters.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  38. Yes I come from the poor grounds of Jamaica. I just got my first house 2 years ago, yet I lost it year ago due to fraude and foreclosure. I have children who wish to go to college and find a fantastic job without moving far away. My daughter whats to go to a nice college, but I fear we cannot afford it.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  39. If you committed fraud, why would a U.S.Senator help you?
    Did your family help you?
    Do you think of the U.S.Gov’t as your Daddy & Mommy?

    Another Drew (72d59a)

  40. People don’t lose their house due to fraud, unless they’ve committed it or allowed others to commit it in their name.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  41. I find it hilarious that people don’t realize that a part of the reason that the mortgage business is so screwed up is that Congress, especially Democrats in Congress, have been pressuring lenders to lend to minorities of marginal credit scores.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  42. No. they signed papers of ours saying that we wanted to foreclose when we didn’t know until a month before moving out.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  43. Using my wife’s name and forefeiting it on thise papers

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  44. Zip uppa –

    what if McCain died?
    — What if Obama lives!

    I know that Both biden and Obama haven’t been governor, but they both are senators. and if you think a governor’s 2year experience is enough against joe biden’s experience of 6terms in the senate you must be [mistaken]
    — This is not, repeat: NOT, a decision that voters make by sitting down at their kitchen table with a calculator!

    I have gone through fraud and forecloseure, and not once has John McCain detailed how he was going to help.
    — That means you’re not listening.

    Icy Truth (a7ead4)

  45. I do not expect Obame to pay my mortgage bill and I do not find any position my mommy or daddy, I’m just say that the only what to truly know is if something changes and I don’t feel that the man who though that middle class lives on 5 million dollars and couldn’t count how many houses he has is the one for it.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  46. *sorry for any mistakes*

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  47. Zpoppa, now you are making up stuff again. Like a typical Obama voter. McCain does not think that the middle class lives on 5 million dollars.

    Why do so many Obama supporters feel the need to lie about their opponents? Why is it that the need to feel better about their candidate causes them to become liars?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  48. Sorry if none of you agree with me. I’m fine with that.
    To those who live nice lives, I grew up living in a one room house with 11 brothers and sisters. I wore no shoes there was no tile or carpet on the floor. I feel that since we live in this day and age things can’t keep going the same.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  49. check it up, he even said it.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  50. Another Drew wrote:

    FYI, Gov. Palin ram-rodded an agreement through with Canada for a Natural Gas Pipeline from the North Slope of Alaska, through Canada, to the Mid-West.

    Last I heard, Sen. Obama had managed to insult the Canadian Government by saying that he was going to unilaterally change the NAFTA Treaty.

    You must have missed the update of his flip-flop on NAFTA, which would make an Olympic gymnast proud.

    Obama first said he would dump NAFTA in an Ohio rally. Then he sent an advisor to Canada to reassure officials he didn’t really mean it. The campaign tried to laugh off rumors of the trip when it was leaked, but had to admit it when the Canadian source refused to back off his story. Later, after securing the delegates for nomination, he said that his Ohio statement that NAFTA was “a huge mistake” was “overheated and amplified.”

    L.N. Smithee (452a68)

  51. Zpoppa wrote: I’m just say that the only what to truly know is if something changes and I don’t feel that the man who though that middle class lives on 5 million dollars and couldn’t count how many houses he has is the one for it.

    Oh, gawwwd. I can’t believe you’re falling for that crap.

    Wait,let me revise that: I can’t believe anyone falls for that crap.

    L.N. Smithee (452a68)

  52. Whether you feel that I am lying or not it doesn’t truly matter because I stand strong, and I do believe the only thing that can cure this nation is actually changing how politics is done, no greed, and no war.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  53. #48 Zpoppa~ Thank you. Only now that I understand where you are coming from can I address your concerns.

    I am guessing that you lost your house to foreclosure because you feel that whoever had you sign the foreclosure papers didn’t explain them thoroughly, making you feel as if they were taking advantage of you? Is that right?

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  54. Zee pee –

    I’m just say that the only what to truly know is if something changes and I don’t feel that the man who though that middle class lives on 5 million dollars and couldn’t count how many houses he has is the one for it.

    — One thing is for sure: repeating the talking points of the Democratic Party will not help you to figure it out (neither does mangling them).

    Icy Truth (a7ead4)

  55. So let me ask how is it that you follow along with John McCain so strongly

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  56. LNS…
    Yeh, I know about the flip-flop.
    But why talk about what everyone expects him to do?
    Obama and Obamabots = Dumb & Dumber!

    Another Drew (72d59a)

  57. And of course “no greed” means Socialism. Not in this country, sir.

    Icy Truth (a7ead4)

  58. no they used my wife’s name and forefeited it on foreclosure papers. When my lawyer finally got those papers her name was spelt wrong and they thought she was black

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  59. #48 Zpoppa:

    I feel that since we live in this day and age things can’t keep going the same.

    Zpoppa, you’ve mentioned that you have a good job close by that you don’t want to move away from~

    That’s all well and good, but as I mentioned above, what you need right now is LAWYER, who can help you right now see if there is anything that can be saved from what you have already paid into the situation.

    A politician promising to “change” things isn’t going to help you, now or ever.

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  60. Zpoppa…
    You should contact CongressWoman Richardson from Long Beach CA (D-CA), she knows all about reversing a foreclosure that results from fraud and non-payment.

    Another Drew (72d59a)

  61. When I mean by no greed, I do not mean such a thing as Communism, but I mean that so much greed corrupts a nation to where people screw the government, thus screwing everyone else in return.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  62. Okay, so you feel like they foreclosed on you because they thought your wife was black?

    What part of the country are you living in now?

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  63. Zpoppa…
    If you knew any American History, you would know that we live and breathe to screw the Government, before it can screw us.

    Another Drew (72d59a)

  64. No I mention that I wanted my kids to have a good job, have a job that pays the bills, but it isn’t a good one.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  65. We’ve all had jobs like that.
    Keep your head up, you’ll find something better.

    Another Drew (72d59a)

  66. C’mon guys…lay off a bit. This is unfortunately where the myth of the uncaring Rethugs gets fueled some.

    Zpoppa~ there are people that will take advantage of others everywhere, even here, just like there were in Jamaica.

    One difference here is that there are laws to help protect you from others greed, but you also have to meet your part of any bargains that you make. Your lawyer should have explained this to you. Did they?

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  67. #64 Zpoppa:

    No I mention that I wanted my kids to have a good job, have a job that pays the bills, but it isn’t a good one.

    Okay, your job isn’t a good one, but you want your children to have a good job, is that right?

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  68. No. You see the bank wants to make a formidable amount of money. I had payed off 70,000 dollars of the house in mortgage payments. However, they found a way to screw my family and me out of my house by saying We didn’t pay the bills on some month’s however they made a mistake and put it to the principal, and they even fount it, but by then we could not save the house. When my lawyer got the cotracts and papers, he had found that someone had tried to forefeit my wife’s name on the papers, but spelled it wrong, and marked as being black, but that wasn’t the case. Since selling houses has went down the bank isn’t make as much money as they thought.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  69. yes, that is true

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  70. Zpoppa: Why don’t you email me directly, click on my name in THIS post.

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  71. Zpoppa –

    So let me ask how is it that you follow along with John McCain so strongly[?]

    — Since this appeared directly after my 3:11 pm post, I will assume that it was meant for me. For myself personally, I live in Arizona and have voted for John McCain all four times that he has run for Senator. I feel that I know him as a politician. Furthermore, as a presidential candidate I like what he stands for; I agree with most of his substantive positions on the major issues facing this country; and I believe in his determination to see things through. I don’t “follow along” with him; we have a shared political philosophy: maintain lower taxes for all, shrink the size of government, eliminate unnecessary spending, maintain a strong military.

    Hopefully, I’ve made my position clear. And you will notice that I did not use a single talking point to do it.

    Icy Truth (a7ead4)

  72. #60 – Another Drew

    You should contact CongressWoman Richardson from Long Beach

    You are a bad, bad man! 😉

    Icy Truth (a7ead4)

  73. Let me try that again. Hopefully, my email address should show up in blue.

    Zpoppa, banks are in business to make money. What I don’t understand is whether you were able to make the payments or not. (I understand that you already paid a lot: did the bank sell the house at auction?)

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  74. EW1(SG)…
    There just seem to be so many errors that would cause this foreclosure to fall apart, that it seems to be a phony story.
    That, plus the fact that he avoids answering some of your questions, that if answered, would indicate some real interest in dealing with this matter, instead of just bitching about it – and trying to lay it on John McCain.

    Another Drew (72d59a)

  75. yep they sold it without my permission. I had a lawyer and everything, and they weren’t suppose to sell it.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  76. I live in Georgia, and the bank is Homecomings

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  77. Icy Truth~jeez, I didn’t quote from Drew’s jest just because he’s a bad jokester. I’m afraid that Z is a little bewildered by the financial/legal pickle he’s got himself into and might actually take that as constructive advice…

    mailto:Scott@Ingram.bz (625c58)

  78. Zpoppa:

    I live in Georgia, and the bank is Homecomings

    Okay, thank you. How long have you lived there?

    (AD: Nah, I think there is an ESL problem here, and I think the delay in answering questions is a time delay in parsing them. Further, I think he got in over his head (precisely the circumstance one of the regulars mentioned above) and is being sold Obama as a palliative…just how the Dems sucker in the crowd.)

    mailto:Scott@Ingram.bz (625c58)

  79. Don’t worry, I’m already in a lawsuit with them, don’t go to court till later this year. But thank you for the help.

    (Look at how much I embarrassed myself). I’m just sick of it all. I am trylu sorry that I have cause an arguement and I am truly sorry that I have made some people pissed off and worried.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  80. Re Cong. Richardson…
    Yes, I am a BAD person. But, I didn’t abuse my office to unwind a foreclosure and sale because I was being crucified in the local papers.
    I just wonder how much WaMu had to pay the buyer to get him to walk away without sueing the Hell out of them?
    And now, the City of Sacramento has cited the property for being in a state of disrepair; but, they won’t take any action against her because they contend that the actual holder of the property is in dispute.
    Talk about not wanting to rock the Congressional boat, and she doesn’t even represent Sacramento.

    Another Drew (72d59a)

  81. not exactly nice to say when I have a mind of my own.

    Zpoppa (4d819e)

  82. #74 Another Drew:

    that if answered, would indicate some real interest in dealing with this matter,

    You see this shit all too often…frequently in health care situations, often in financial dealings, where an immigrant wants to do the right thing but is stymied by not understanding the rules in play.

    They get suckered into a mortgage that is more than they should be obligated to or whatever, and by the time they find somebody that can actually help them cut through the crap, its too late.

    And the Dems pile on, making it worse under the guise of helping, by legislating unworkable solutions.

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  83. #79 Zpoppa~

    Don’t worry, I’m already in a lawsuit with them, don’t go to court till later this year. But thank you for the help.

    Okay, good. Sounds like you are on the right track.

    #81:

    not exactly nice to say when I have a mind of my own.

    It wasn’t meant to be insulting: I understand very well that you have a mind of your own, that is why I am concerned. However, living in America is different from living anywhere else in the world: and very often, those of us who grew up here take some things for granted that are difficult for immigrants to understand or deal with. I wanted to make sure that the others I talk with here regularly understand what you are trying to say also. That’s all.

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  84. Sorry, EW. You’re correct. I guess I’ll have to dial my cynicism detector down a bit.

    What amazes me, is that if Z is laying the straight stuff on us, this bank, in going to trial, could be in a world of hurt that is going to cost them much more than if they had just renegotiated the mortgage in the first place.

    Another Drew (72d59a)

  85. Yes, Obama will look out for the little guy. Observe his broken promises to help that village in Kenya. Or his own blood living for less than $1 a month in Kenya. From what I see Obama wants a big increase in taxes for working people, but I guess dems look at it as not an increase but rather a reversal of previous cuts under Bush. One wonders how much money will be passed on to various liberal front groups or how much is proposed domestic peace corps will cost to run with a nice, bloated bureaucracy of its own, NOT to mention the boondoggle a comprehensive socialized medicine regime will siphon off the GNP. The arrogant prick even realizes that tax recepits will be lower with increased capital gains rates, but it would be FAIRER to raise them in any case. WTF? We have some indication of the magic negor’s finacial acumen in the way he threw away those Annenberg Challenge millions apprently down the liberal piss it away toilet. What friends of Obama and Ayers got fatter on those funds?

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  86. Zpoppa,

    I think EW1(SG) was trying to help you. What bothers many of us is that politicians make promises that they can take care of people’s problems when they can’t.

    Most problems people have are solved by people looking out for themselves. I think your mortgage problems fall into that category so, as much as you want Obama to be elected so he help you, I doubt he will be able to change anything that happened to you. But you can help yourself, and getting a lawyer to help you understand your choices is a good start.

    You can also help your children learn from your decisions so they can make better decisions in the future. I’ve certainly made my share of good, bad and unlucky decisions. We all do and that’s how we learn.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  87. #84 Another Drew:

    What amazes me

    I’m amazed too~but like I said, what I see happen is that an immigrant won’t realize they are in trouble until too late, and by that time, the institution has assumed that they are dealing in bad faith…so you got good intentions meeting shit for brains and feathers all over the goddamn place…

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  88. #86 DRJ:

    as much as you want Obama to be elected so he help you, I doubt he will be able to change anything that happened to you.

    I doubt Zpoppa is looking to the O! for help for himself, but is concerned that what happened to him can happen to others; and wants to see that changed.

    Sadly, real estate isn’t an easy area for laymen (like me) to understand, so lots of us get in trouble there.

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  89. Yes, just some paper-pusher trying to meet his quota.
    Pathetic.
    Like a lot of those mortgage generators, I hope that he/she/it is enjoying the commission they drained from this family (like, I hope they choke on it).

    Another Drew (72d59a)

  90. Another Drew: I know Icy Truth and I were both amused by your “advice,” but I’d put a dozen doughnuts to a dollar that if he called the Alaska governor’s office, as opposed say, to the O! campaign HQ, that he’d get hold of somebody who would at least try to help.

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  91. EW1(SG) —

    I agree.

    Icy Truth (a7ead4)

  92. I second that!

    Another Drew (72d59a)

  93. Oh, BTW, I’ll take your offer of a dozen doughnuts for a dollar.
    Such a Deal!

    Another Drew (72d59a)

  94. Zpoppa:

    I do believe the only thing that can cure this nation is actually changing how politics is done, no greed, and no war.

    Zpoppa, if you are still around, the difference between what you say here, and what the rest of us say, is that we believe EVERYBODY should have 5 million dollars and several houses. But we don’t think you need to take away somebody else’s 5 million dollars to do that.

    EW1(SG) (625c58)

  95. And the best way to “change how politics is done” is to elect a Chicago Machine Politician that has a record of “changing” nothing.

    Brilliant. It takes an Obama voter to actually believe something so silly.

    SPQR (26be8b)


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