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8/29/2008

Obama Campaign Reaction to Palin

Filed under: 2008 Election — DRJ @ 2:36 pm

[Guest post by DRJ]

The Obama campaign was critical of McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin — she’s too inexperienced and not ready to be a “heartbeat away” from the Presidency — followed quickly by Obama’s statement that his staff was too critical. This clearly isn’t what the Obama campaign thought they would be talking about the day after his acceptance speech.

And now the New York Times’ Caucus blog has this amazing information on why the Obama campaign had a mixed message:

“11:40 a.m. | Obama Reaction: The Times’s Jeff Zeleny has the following dispatch:

The Obama campaign had no immediate response to reports that Senator John McCain has selected the little-known Alaska governor, Sarah Palin, as his running-mate. Neither Mr. Obama nor Mr. Biden talked to reporters, but Mr. Biden could be seen wearing a wide smile in the front cabin of the plane.

Ms. Palin came as a surprise not only to many Republicans and journalists, but also to the Obama team. The campaign has been busily preparing TV commercials to run against Mitt Romney — with aides gleefully watching hours of footage of Romney-McCain exchanges from the primary — but far little opposition research had been prepared about the Alaska governor. And aides said no commercials were ready to be immediately released, which the McCain campaign did when Mr. Biden was chosen.”

There’s more at the link, including that the Obama campaign had to delay its campaign flight for more Palin prep and, as a result, McCain-Palin got a half-day of uninterrupted media time.

The Obama campaign was not prepared for the Palin announcement, a choice that was unexpected but not totally off the radar. That’s not good in politics but it’s very discouraging in governing. In fact, it makes the Obama campaign sound as clueless as it often describes the Bush Administration.

– DRJ

148 Responses to “Obama Campaign Reaction to Palin”

  1. a choice that was unexpected but not totally off the radar

    No kidding, it’s kind of surprising, but if you’ve been following politics over the past few weeks (at least on the right) it’s really not that big a shock. If you broke the VP names down to 10-15 possibilities, she was in the mix.

    I think it’s a case of the Obama camp breathing their own exhaust when it comes to their opponent. They’re not running against Bush, they’re not running against Dole, they’re running against a guy who’s perfectly willing to toss something at them out of left field.

    Anon (03ab2e)

  2. McCain, Obama, and Biden would be well advised to shut up and stand aside for a while, so the women of America can debate the abortion issue. They need the time and space to decide which ticket best represents their interests. Trust women, no matter the political party, to decide for themselves where their voices and their votes count. They’re going to do it anyway.

    Ropelight (4a83c9)

  3. Obama — apparently quoted verbatim by Ben Smith — from the Politico link:

    “I think that, uh, you know, campaigns start getting these, uh, hair triggers and, uh, the statement that Joe and I put out reflects our sentiments,” he said, according to the pool report, apparently criticizing his staff for going overboard, as he did occasionally in the primary.

    Yeah, uh, you know, well, uh, when are you going to get around to criticizing your staff for sending out an “action alert” to smear Stanley Kurtz and harass the GM of WGN radio? When are you going to correct the message that YOU approved suggesting that “John McCain [is] talking about the sixties” when he wasn’t responsible for the 527 ad that your minions are trying to pressure the Justice Department to quash?

    Nice job talking about “new politics” last night. What a surprise that you don’t really, you know, uh, mean it.

    L.N. Smithee (0931d2)

  4. Adding to Anon’s point:

    It’s nice to know that they’re not all that good at forming lies in a quick, off the cuff manner, but I agree, their silence and bafflement at the selection of a woman for a VP slot bodes poorly for their ability to perform in a disaster.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  5. So I guess that preparation for the Palin VP selection is another example of the Hope and Change™ Obama voters are anticipating?

    DRJ, I thought you might like this:

    http://www.palinfacts.com/

    Eric Blair (642d37)

  6. Take caution attack dog Democrats, this lady hunts moose.

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  7. The MSM dropped the ball by not ferreting out the Palin selection and informing the Obama campaign so it wouldn’t be blindsided like this. Lots of egg on lots of faces.

    L.N. Smithee — I just saw that video clip of Obama (with Biden) backtracking on his campaign’s earlier, snarky reaction to Palin. Obama was very uncomfortable and obviously struggling to answer a question he was unprepared for. Biden had the biggest frown I’ve ever seen — no choppers flashing today.

    capitano (211a15)

  8. Eric Blair,

    That was fun! I sent it on to Beldar and I know he’ll enjoy it, too.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  9. “My campain does not speak for me.” Barack Obama, August 29, 2008.

    Exactly how they scripted their day-after media message.

    WLS (26b1e5)

  10. Obama has to go home at night and look at the faces of the two little girls who last night he said “I want them to have the same opportunities as your sons.”

    Makes attacking Palin a little tricky.

    WLS (26b1e5)

  11. Also, Michell Obama is no longer the glamorous one.

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  12. Didn’t know Palin was in play? The only reason I can conjecture is that reading Beldar would make them unclean and thus unworthy for the One.

    Captain Ned (0dd5e9)

  13. DRJ, I recently turned 50 (ouch). My wife and two sons (8 and 5) “made” me a an interesting gift: they wrote to the governors of each state, asking them to return a postcard to recognize my birthday. The kids put up a map of the US, and we put up little stars for each state capitol from which we received a card. This gave my wife and I a chance to teach a bit of geography to the boys. Anyway, 46 states responded. Several sent photographs!

    So I have a signed proclamation from Sarah Palin! Bobby Jindal never wrote back.

    You (and Beldar) have probably seen the Craig Ferguson video about Governor Palin, right?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh-lW2opLyQ

    Anyway, I am hopeful about McCain and Palin. Some might attack Governor Palin’s experience. But with BO in the campaign, that seems…well…silly.

    I like her outlook.

    Eric Blair (642d37)

  14. With the size of his campaign staff, he’s going to need all of NOLA’s buses to throw them under.
    There go Nagin’s evacuation plans again.

    Another Drew (e24867)

  15. “My campaign staff is not the staff I thought I knew.” Jeebus, this guy’s getting more ridiculous by the day.

    Dmac (874677)

  16. Don’t worry about Nagin, AD – I’m sure he’s planning another 5 – day stay in the downtown Hilton there. You know, just to ride out the storm while calling every reporter in the country to complain about his non – existent disaster plans.

    Dmac (874677)

  17. I would think that Ray has to be looking over his shoulder to make sure that the real Governor isn’t about to slap the …. out of him next time he opens his mouth and makes stupid.

    Another Drew (e24867)

  18. “The Obama campaign was not prepared for the Palin announcement, a choice that was unexpected but not totally off the radar. That’s not good in politics but it’s very discouraging in governing. In fact, it makes the Obama campaign sound as clueless as it often describes the Bush Administration.”

    Yep, gotta love those military guys. This was a perfectly planned top-secret airborne infiltration, I’d say. The enemy was caught completely by surprise.

    driver (56cdca)

  19. Obama is showing that he hasn’t the judgement to run a campaign much less the country.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  20. And….here is some classy, classy business from our friends at Daily Kos. You know, the ones who are all about privacy and human dignity.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/17933/7330/417/579267

    I honestly think that this sort of thing will backfire, and help McCain-Palin.

    But think it would be great if someone would post something on DK about the unsubstantiated rumor that “inky99″ is actually a Rovian agent. And has carnal knowledge of goats.

    That is what I heard, anyway.

    Eric Blair (642d37)

  21. Of course the campaign itself does not have to be the bad guy when you have media sleaze like this occurring. CNN anchor John Roberts posing this question to a reporter:

    “There’s also this issue that on April 18th, she gave birth to a baby with Down’s Syndrome…. Children with Down’s syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?”

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2008/08/29/cnn-s-john-roberts-palin-might-neglect-her-disabled-infant

    – Note that this took place an hour before her official introduction. The man is questioning her ability to continue being a good mother. Pure sexism.

    Icy Truth (6e6d48)

  22. I thought that my exuberence over this selection would wear off as the day went on. Quite the opposite. I cannot wait to get to my destination so I can find her speech and watch Crissy and Olberass bumble along.

    JD (5f0e11)

  23. Obama coming out and attackin Palin on her experience (even before his obligatory congratulations of her) just highlighted the fact that the bottom of the McCain/Palin ticket has even more experience than the top of the Obama/Biden ticket. Too funny!

    Cory (6b4784)

  24. John Robert is a disgusting small little man. Palin has been my preference for a long time. Watch her get savaged by the people that purport to care about advancing the interests of women. I am no fan of Hillary, but with Palin and Hillary, my daughter has had the chance to see some strong women recently. Suffice it to say I would prefer that she only emulate the good one ….

    JD (5f0e11)

  25. DRJ – makes the Obama campaign sound as clueless

    Not to nit pick,

    But it’s another Zenith/Nadir type of mistake. I know you really meant to say:

    exposes the Obama campaign as far more clueless

    Apogee (366e8b)

  26. inky @ Kos is a goat sodomizer, Eric.

    JD (5f0e11)

  27. Apogee,

    I spent a lot of time on that sentence and I still don’t think it clearly says what I mean, but I learned months ago that sometimes it’s best to say it and move on.

    Here’s the long version of my point: I think the Obama campaign portrays the Bush Administration as a shoot-from-the-hip group that doesn’t think things through. I don’t know if that is true or not but this story makes the Obama campaign look the same way. I’m not saying either the Bush Administration or the Obama campaign is clueless, only that their actions sometimes make them look that way and I find that ironic.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  28. DRJ – You know I’m just kidding with you. You are always fair and thoughtful with your comments, and, regardless of me poking fun, you are far more balanced and accurate in the elucidation of your opinions than most other posters on the net.

    Having said that, the Obama campaign’s mistake, right on the heels of this ‘hopeful’ convention, is not a coincidence. Taken in context with the DOJ move and the WGN bullying, they have, in my estimation, charged the front lines, become lost and confused, and are now handing McCain howitzer shells to load and shoot back at their own position.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  29. I mean, really. Did the Obama campaign really just attack the Governor of a State with the charge of ‘no experience’?

    Really?

    Oh. They meant no foreign policy experience. Oh. Ok.

    For the VP? “A heartbeat away from the Presidency.”

    Hmm.

    So then the President should . . .

    Wait.

    Really?

    Apogee (366e8b)

  30. Yeah, that would be Obama whose foreign policy experience consists of a subcommittee he never held any hearings on, and a speech in front of a crowd of marijuana smokers at the Prussian memorial to kicking french ass.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  31. No sooner does the Obama campaign manage to retract its foot from its mouth, here comes Senator Barbara Boxer:

    “The vice president is a heartbeat away from becoming president, so to choose someone with not one hour’s worth of experience on national issues is a dangerous choice.”

    Wouldn’t the same apply to Obama, too? No, wait, that implies having a heart.

    DubiousD (59cbae)

  32. Apogee,

    I really do have a sense of humor but I never can tell when people are kidding or sarcastic on the internet. Apparently I’m lacking in internet social cues.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  33. Sarah Palin runs a State. Barack Obama runs his mouth.

    metro (6905f0)

  34. The BHO campaign, led by that genius of national polity, David Axelrod, burned through millions of dollars a month since BHO sewed up the nomination, didn’t bother to hire an Alaskan oppo research expert?

    This same genius, who we all know handled HRC perfectly and minimized the damage she might cause in Denver, didn’t have a clue as to how to react to a female nominee?

    Ed (ddaac8)

  35. Let’s see…

    …The Russian Bear is right accross the Bering Straits.

    Delaware has only 150,000 more people than Alaska.

    Ms. Palin has more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined.

    Bravo, JohnnyMac. You not not only caught OBiden flatfooted, you made them look churlish, as well. Way to suck the air out of the Donks’ post-convention bounce.

    furious (56af6d)

  36. “The vice president is a heartbeat away from becoming president, so to choose someone with not one hour’s worth of experience on national issues is a dangerous choice.”

    Slow Joe convinced less than 1% of freakin’ Iowans that he was a good pick for President, for God’s sake. He couldn’t even con the rubes from flyover country and now he’s a foreign affairs expert ?

    Actual (aac875)

  37. Barbara Boxer – A fine example someone who doesn’t think before speaking.

    DRJ – You have a great sense of humor, and it’s more than likely that I’m lacking in giving internet social cues.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  38. Also DRJ – You would be statistically justified in always taking the bet that my comments are full of shit. Just ask Stashiu3.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  39. Speaking of betting, I wonder what the line was on Palin as VP?

    DRJ (7568a2)

  40. Just ask Stashiu3.

    Huh? What’d I do now? Or am I missing one of those internet social cues?

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  41. Barbara Boxer – A fine example someone who doesn’t think before speaking.

    Gad, I had forgotten about this ugly insult. Nothing like a dig from a mother to a woman without children, talk about a low blow.

    “The vice president is a heartbeat away from becoming president, so to choose someone with not one hour’s worth of experience on national issues is a dangerous choice.”

    In light of Boxer’s slap above, its funny how Boxer didn’t have a problem going all out in full support of Hillary when she ran for the Senate with her only political experience being the wife of a president and the wife of a governor. heh.

    Dana (084de8)

  42. I don’t know why I was so surprised to learn that John McCain and the GOP’s unprincipled P.R. machine possesses the base instincts to USE a woman for the purpose of manipulating millions of other women. And then SHE, who is going to be portrayed throughout the rest of this campaign season as a “principled woman of the highest description”, lacked even the moral, self-respect as a woman to stand up and say to Karl Rove that he had gone too far this time… Instead, she thanked Hillary Clinton for the “18 Million cracks in the glass ceiling” So that now she can ease on in to the presidency after McCain croaks. …I guess Palin now has the torch Hillary ran with. Except, She is NOT the symbol of achievement for women that Hillary was. …She offends women and might as well have slept her way into the white house. But also has the audacity to overshadow Hillary’s accomplishments and usurp her earned spotlight and all this, in the name of the anniversary of women’s suffrage. Just like the entire republican party, she has and will do nothing for women’s suffrage or in this case, even to advance a sense of accomplishment. John McCain has no scruples whatsoever. And all of your excitment over this is premature.

    annoyed (73b140)

  43. Palin’s selection is what we call ‘a bitch slap’ to the entire democrat party and their anti-american media lapdogs.
    Palin’s experience (business and executive) is so far ahead of Hussein O’s it pitiful, that is pitiful to think the democrats would put Hussein O (who’s only trys/experiences have failed) in the POTUS chair and not one heartbeat away. The best presidents have came from a governors office with no foreign policy experience. Old Hussein’s 2000+ advisors failed him, again. The only response they could come up with was to slime the lady without knowing her.
    I would have loved to be a fly on the wall in the Cliton Household when this announcement was made.

    Scrapiron (d671ab)

  44. Speaking of betting, I wonder what the line was on Palin as VP?

    Intrade has charts going back for months.

    Actual (aac875)

  45. Except, She is NOT the symbol of achievement for women that Hillary was.

    Um, you mean because Palin actually reached her position on her own and not just because she was somebody else wife?

    I don’t know why I was so surprised to learn that John McCain and the GOP’s unprincipled P.R. machine possesses the base instincts to USE a woman for the purpose of manipulating millions of other women.

    Yeah, I hate politicians who condescend to voters by using identity politics – that’s why I’ll vote Democrat!

    Anon (03ab2e)

  46. “she has and will do nothing for women’s suffrage”. Are you that stupid and 100 years behind the times, or did you excape from Momma’s basement and visit the library (to find a computer) in your diaper?

    Scrapiron (d671ab)

  47. annoyed doesn’t know Sarah Palin:

    I guess Palin now has the torch Hillary ran with. Except, She is NOT the symbol of achievement for women that Hillary was. …She offends women and might as well have slept her way into the white house.

    Well, let’s see: in 1996, rather than sleeping with the incumbent mayor of Wasilla, AK, she ran against him and won. In 2006, rather than sleeping with Governor Frank Murkowski, she ran against him, and won.

    Now, one has to wonder: between Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin, which one is more likely to have obtained her current position by virtue of the man with whom she sleeps?

    I'm Dana, too! (556f76)

  48. lacked even the moral, self-respect as a woman to stand up and say to Karl Rove that he had gone too far this time…

    Just face it, you can’t beat me.

    Karl Rove (03ab2e)

  49. I’ve seen that screed somewhere before today. I just can’t find it.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  50. Oh. you’re really funny. If you want to argue with me, make a point. John McCain did something for women today (even though his intentions are screwy). She just happens to benefits. We all know that she wouldn’d be his pick if not for Hillary’s campain. Dumb to pretend otherwise.

    annoyed (73b140)

  51. “annoyed” – you don’t realize how stupid the lines you stole from some slimebag talking points are, do you? Hillary was the one who rode to power on a man’s reputation rather than her own. Palin is really what Hillary falsely claimed to be.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  52. annoyed (6:01 pm) -

    She is NOT the symbol of achievement for women that Hillary was.
    – Yeah, she’s only the Governor of the largest state in the union. But Hillary’s a Senator!

    She offends women and might as well have slept her way into the white house.
    – I can’t imagine how these accusations of sexism on the part of liberals keep arising.

    But also has the audacity to overshadow Hillary’s accomplishments and usurp her earned spotlight and all this, in the name of the anniversary of women’s suffrage.
    – Awww! She stole the spotwight fwom Hillawy? Waahhh!!!

    Just like the entire republican [sic] party, she has and will do nothing for women’s suffrage or in this case, even to advance a sense of accomplishment.
    – No matter what she accomplishes? If she’s a member of the ‘wrong party’, becoming the first female Vice President matters not?

    John McCain has no scruples whatsoever. And all of your excitment [sic] over this is premature.
    – You are correct. We must save some for Nov. 4th.

    Icy Truth (6e6d48)

  53. Oh. you’re really funny. If you want to argue with me, make a point.

    Sure – what you’re saying about Palin actually applies much more to Hillary Clinton.

    Anon (03ab2e)

  54. By the way, you won’t find it unless you read it on my myspace blog because I wrote it.

    annoyed (73b140)

  55. she has and will do nothing for women’s suffrage or in this case, even to advance a sense of accomplishment

    What Sara Palin will undoubtedly do for wommen’s suffrage is far greater than what even Hillary has done and that is to ensure that equal rights are extended to unborn women.

    She offends women and might as well have slept her way into the white house.

    Its unfortunate you pull out the ugly old stereotype of women – if they meet with great success, they must’ve done it on their backs. If Hillary had been selected as veep or taken the nomination, would you have believed the same of her?

    Dana (084de8)

  56. annoyed, you admit to being the originator of that insipid bile?

    Wow, I would not have admitted it, were I you.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  57. Sure – what you’re saying about Palin actually applies much more to Hillary Clinton.

    Please explain!

    annoyed (73b140)

  58. Please explain!

    You’ve gotta be kidding – Palin got elected Governor on her own.

    Hillary’s only qualification for the Senate was that she was the wife of the President (along with the “scorned woman” factor to give her sympathy).

    Anon (03ab2e)

  59. By the way, you won’t find it unless you read it on my myspace blog because I wrote it.

    *cough* *cough* *bullshit* *cough*

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  60. If Hillary had been selected as veep or taken the nomination, would you have believed the same of her?

    – how could you say that? If Hillary was running, she would have earned it. A much stronger accomplishment for any woman. And I hope you’ll remember this if and when they’re in the white house. Roe vs Wade will remain. How many time can you be fooled before you look see how the issue is being used. Anyways, I’m going out so.. Some other time maybe.

    annoyed (73b140)

  61. You guys are wasting your time, just another Moby coming out in full panic mode. Go to the other sites that lean right, and watch the parade of idiocy and pasted – on talking points.

    “She just happens to benefits. We all know that she wouldn’d be his pick if not for Hillary’s campain.”

    See what I mean? This guy didn’t even bother to spell – check his paste – “happens to benefits?” “she wouldn’d be his pick?” “Hillary’s campain?”

    Have we stumbled onto a lost episode of “Hee Haw?”

    Dmac (874677)

  62. Hey, guys, compare the pictures here of Barack He-be-makin’-like-a-beeline Obama and Sarah Palin and tell me who’s the “girl”.

    nk (ad4a4c)

  63. *cough* *cough* *bullshit* *cough*

    Why do you even care so much? The blog is called “John McCain is an Evil Genius.” That’s only one paragraph. I think it’s a good read. Anyways, bye.

    annoyed (73b140)

  64. to USE a woman for the purpose of manipulating millions of other women.

    You really need to get over your extraordinarily low opinion of women. Everyday millions of women refuse to be USED by men and other women. They actually stand on their on own two stilletoed heels and say NO to being used, disrespected, patronzied, or manipulated. Wake up. Its a brave new world!

    Dana I Know You Are But What Am I! (084de8)

  65. Started today no doubt. Begone troll.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  66. We all know that she wouldn’d be his pick if not for Hillary’s campain. Dumb to pretend otherwise.

    – Uh, “wouldn’d”? (‘would not haved’, I guess)

    Oh, and nice desperation move, there. It’s been 9 1/2 hours and already you’re throwing out whatever criticism your little imagination can manufacture out of thin air.

    Icy Truth (6e6d48)

  67. (Not you Dana… I was too slow in replying to annoyed/socky-mcsockpuppet, lol)

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  68. And I hope you’ll remember this if and when they’re in the white house. Roe vs Wade will remain.

    Then why are you complaining about what she’ll do to women’s issues? Thou doth protest too much.

    Dmac’s right, though – you guys are in panic mode.

    (of course, I like that as a response . . . on the other hand, I would just like to emphasize again what a great pick Biden was and how brilliant it was to have him as your VP — see, now that’s a response you don’t want from the other side.)

    Anon (03ab2e)

  69. Anyways, bye.

    What? You mean you don’t want to get into debating the Hillary vs. Palin thing?

    What a shock.

    Anon (03ab2e)

  70. I am waiting for Palin (life time NRA member and moose hunter) to challenge Obama and Biden to a shooting contest.

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  71. annoyed – you are really that out of your depth that fast. Hilarious.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  72. – Uh, “wouldn’d”? (’would not haved’, I guess)

    Oh, and nice desperation move, there. It’s been 9 1/2 hours and already you’re throwing out whatever criticism your little imagination can manufacture out of thin air.

    It’s pointless arguing with you people I miss the primaries when I would argue with Democrats because no one wants to counter my arguments. You just all get mad and head out on the attack. You need Rush or Glen to hold your hands and to tell you how and what to think. Fine.. Listen to their shows and then get back to me with an argument.

    annoyed (73b140)

  73. annoyed wrote: She offends women and might as well have slept her way into the white house.

    I’m trying to think . . . has there been a woman candidate who got to where she was by sleeping with a powerful national politician? I think there’s been at least one. What was her name again?

    Icy Truth (6e6d48)

  74. The Obama cultists are showing their crude sexism on most of the MSM website comment forums.

    Real pack of debris Obama attracts.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  75. Maybe someone can hold your hand and teach you how to spell Glenn Beck’s name.

    Icy Truth (6e6d48)

  76. annoyed, your arguments were countered long ago, since then you’ve just pretended not to notice.

    Waaaay out of your depth.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  77. Comment by annoyed — 8/29/2008 @ 6:40 pm

    I thought you were gone?

    It’s pointless arguing with you people I miss the primaries when I would argue with Democrats because no one wants to counter my arguments.

    Do you want to debate the Hillary vs. Palin thing or not?

    Because, I replied to you and it sure looks like you’re trying to save face while running away . . .

    Anon (03ab2e)

  78. Comment by annoyed — 8/29/2008 @ 6:40 pm

    DENNY/JOHN/annoyed… you have no argument to counter. Begone troll.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  79. John McCain and Sarah Palin look like the bridge to America’s future, and Obama and Biden seem as old and stale as yesterday’s news.

    What a difference a day makes. Off with the old, and on with the new. Don’t stop thinkin’ about tomorrow. Palin is the CHANGE we’ve been waiting for. Let’s vote!

    Ropelight (4a83c9)

  80. Another little news item:

    MSNBC added the quote “How many houses will Sarah Palin add to the Republican ticket?” as “breaking news” when Sarah Palin was nominated.

    – Now does that count as parody directed at John McCain? or self-parody directed at MSNBC’s claim to be a professional news organization?

    Icy Truth (6e6d48)

  81. Well, it’s a fact that Governor Palin will not attract every woman’s vote. The fat, Oprah-watching, welfare baby machines, with eight kids from eight different fathers, will only see something to envy, resent and hate in her. But they’ll be too fat, stupid and lazy to bother to go vote anyway.

    nk (ad4a4c)

  82. Annoyed, EQUAL RIGHTS FOR UNBORN WOMEN!

    Yes we can!!

    Dana (084de8)

  83. Comment by annoyed — 8/29/2008 @ 6:40 pm

    BTW, do you have a boyfriend named Peter?

    Anon (03ab2e)

  84. Hey! Peter would never cheat on Torquil.

    After all, he would have to use his weak hand, and that isn’t as much fun.

    Icy Truth (6e6d48)

  85. “It’s pointless arguing with you people I miss the primaries when I would argue…”

    If the Moby talks like he writes, than that must be quite a stream – of – consciousness barrage on any listeners that may be within earshot: “HeyIjustgotcupofcoffeewhyamItellingyouthismustbepastmybedtimeImgettingoffyourcomputernowMomjeezleavemealonewillya?”

    Dmac (874677)

  86. A Moby is a liberal troll pretending to be a conservative… annoyed is just an ordinary moonbat troll. Ignore him.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  87. Stashiu3 – It was a statistics joke (#38) and it got the result that most statistics jokes get – confusion.

    I Had the pleasure of meeting Sarah Palin at the Iditarod in March. Smart, assured, funny, smokin’ hot. I developed an immediate bias towards her, but the collection of additional information has turned it into actual admiration. But it’s not just that. She’s really much more impressive than McCain (Or the other two). Biden will have to dress in 80′s dayglow to be noticed in a debate with her, and, unless she’s way off, I predict that she’ll hunt him, take him down, and show Joe Bidin’ My Time as the insider blowhard that he is.

    She fought the bridge to nowhere, sold the Private jet used for Alaskan Government travel (they have to take off their shoes now, just like us), worked in commercial fishing, hunts Moose, and has kicked the ass of corrupt Republicans, Democrats, and small city bureaucrats. Oh, and she’s tussled with ‘big oil’ too, which will come as quite a surprise to those attempting to paint her as an anti-conservationist drill happy pawn.

    It’s a big problem for the Democrats, and her selection has turned their socks brown.

    She is what they claim to be: Of the people, and the attacks on her show the emptiness of their message. They don’t want change, nor do they stand for the principles that they claim, because Palin represents both.

    They want power.

    Unfortunately for them, so did the generous ‘body count’ of Alaskan political crooks before her.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  88. Comment by Apogee — 8/29/2008 @ 7:19 pm

    *snort*

    Right over my head… saw my name, read the comment backwards and missed the pun. Well-played my friend. :)

    I was worried that I had screwed up somewhere (again). Glad I was just dumb… I mean… uh… (there’s really no “out” for me here, is there?)

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  89. Except, She is NOT the symbol of achievement for women that Hillary was

    What achievement? Hillary rode on her husband’s coattails to land a carpet-bagging Senator seat in NY.

    Palin has worked hard all her life, managed a city and then a state, and did it all without her husband’s influence.

    I’d take Palin over Hillary any day of the week.

    Steverino (1dda08)

  90. Steverino – Palin has worked hard all her life, managed a city and then a state, and did it all without her husband’s influence.

    You know Palin’s just riding the coattails of her husband’s snowmobile racing career.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  91. Palin is a worse choice than Harriet Meyers was for AG! If the Republicans thought they had a chance they would have picked a more formidable opponent. A beauty queen, U of Idaho, mayor of a small town and 1 1/2 years as gov??? She herself stated that she was not sure what the VP does. . . . . . Mitt did not want to go down with McCain. This is a rendition of legally blonde without the harvard component.

    How does that compare to top grad of an Ivy league Law school and years in the senate. Hillary was not riding any coattails in Law school!

    bev (ee811d)

  92. How does that compare to top grad of an Ivy league Law school and years in the senate.
    Comment by bev — 8/29/2008 @ 8:06 pm

    I would like to see anything that supports you saying “top grad”. From what I’ve seen, she wasn’t even cum laude. Link please.

    The rest is just partisan opinion or lies, so it will be ignored. That one was just funny though because bev was probably bashing Hillary yesterday. Now, she’s a “top grad”.

    (Not holding my breath on the link though… the desperation is bringing out a lot of drive-by lying today. Most exciting day on the internet in months! Heh.)

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  93. the moonbats are out in force…..barack bimbo bev- some of us are pleased to see a non-lawyer as vice presidential nominee and would even prefer having no senators running. What did carpetbagger ever accomplish prior to running for Senate? Endured bogus sniper fire? Attmepted to foist a secret health care plan on America? Enabled BJ Clinton’s sexual escapades throughout their time in Little Rock and DC? Yeah I know she wasn’t some Tammy Wynette baking cookies.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  94. bev #91 – context is everything. It brings honesty to a discussion.

    “Palin replied: “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.”

    Dana (084de8)

  95. bev – let’s look at those comparisons.

    Obama:
    Was never a beauty queen.
    Attended an elitist eastern college populated by the wealthy and connected. Palin succeeded despite having no such connections.
    Never Mayor of any town.
    Never Governor of any state.
    Never won an election with an appreciable opposition.

    Yes, Obama has been in the Senate. Elected in 2004. Sworn in 2005. Began campaign for POTUS in 2007. So you’re right. Obama has a whopping 2 years as a Senator before jumping ship to run for President. Palin? A mere 1.5 years as a Governor – Chief executive – Buck Stopper – of a State. Never mind that Governor gives executive experience, while Senator is a political position in Congress shared with another person from the same State, where Obama’s track record of legislation is less than exemplary.

    Oh, one more thing. Palin’s running for Vice President, not President, so you’ve got a problem with this one. McCain has far more experience, and he’s running against Obama for the office of President, if you didn’t know.

    As for Hillary:
    You do know she’s not running.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  96. How does that compare to top grad of an Ivy league Law school and years in the senate

    Do you mean Hillary, the DC bar failure?

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  97. here’s the link. . .

    http://www.ourstory.com/thread.html?t=220005

    graduate from Yale Law (oh and Wellsley before that) , with honors compared to undergrad journalism degree from a tier 3 school . . . like shopping at Neiman Marcus compared to K-Mart!!

    How do you attempt to enforce the constitution without knowledge of it. (The constitution, you know the document that is the foundation of all our laws) I never bash an intelligent, accomplished, well educated person. barack bimbo?? I just don’t want some one who barely got out of the naval academy (in fact was an embarassment when he was there) who has rode the coat tails of his father, grandfather and rich wife to where he is now. And most of all I don’t want a combat vet in the oval office!
    bev – US Naval Academy graduate and US Marine

    bev (ee811d)

  98. oh, and bite me!

    bev (ee811d)

  99. Your last comment does not reflect well on your education or your service.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  100. bev — go take a look at Delaware and Syracuse Law School (but he did finish 76th in a class of 85).

    Then get back to us.

    WLS (26b1e5)

  101. ok, a pacifist hate/blame america first military apologist for obamalamadingdong made in in the mold of big incompetent wesley clark who managed to get fored by BJ Clinton. Oh, no combat vet in oval office- but I thought libs were oh so big on heroism of Lurch as Vietnam War star in 2004?

    Seems to me McCain did ok serving his country in military. Oh, you say he was in prison for 5 1/2 years and do we want a felon as potus? And he has reached across the aisle to compromise with libs far more than anyone I can think of in the modern era, even if compromising with liberals usually means they get their way.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  102. According to bev, only constitutional scholars should be CIC.

    DRJ – #99 – perhaps both are exaggerated.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  103. Apparently accolades for the Ivy League are all the rage here. Glad to see W getting the respect he deserves. bev, point to the spot and I’m all incisors, sweetheart!

    Jackson Pollock Klompus (b0e238)

  104. Bev – Does the President enforce the Constitution or uphold it?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  105. “Palin is a worse choice than Harriet Meyers was for AG!”

    Luckily, Harriet Miers (not Meyers) was never chosen for “AG.”

    Patterico (6c20f0)

  106. “Honors” is not “top grad”. Not even close.

    And most of all I don’t want a combat vet in the oval office!

    Oh good gravy… that’s your most important criteria for President? And you’re (supposedly) a Naval Academy grad and Marine Corps vet? Clearly, there is no talking to you since fanatics can’t be reasoned out of positions they didn’t reason themselves into.

    oh, and bite me!

    Stay classy there bev. It fits you well.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  107. DRJ – You are too kind. The bad reflection started long before that last comment.

    JD (5f0e11)

  108. Well, I’ve been away, and just read through the comments to catch up.
    Glad I wasn’t here, or I might have really become annoyed!
    nk, please sit down and take a couple deep breaths. Remember, we’ve got 9+ hard weeks ahead of us.

    We’re goin’ tah win! (repeat as neccessary)

    Another Drew (e24867)

  109. Patterico #105 – Luckily, Harriet Miers (not Meyers) was never chosen for “AG.”

    Meyers. Hmm. Meyers.

    Oh. Meyers!

    Apogee (366e8b)

  110. Works for me!

    Or, go whole hog and get a Planter’s Punch.

    Another Drew (e24867)

  111. bev -

    Palin is a worse choice than Harriet Meyers was for AG!
    – The initials for “associate justice” are AJ.

    This is a rendition of legally blonde without the harvard component.
    – Sexism and elitism in the same sentence. Beautiful.

    How do you attempt to enforce the constitution [sic] without knowledge of it.
    – The word “liberty” appears 3 times in the Constitution; the word “equality” – zero. McCain and Palin know this. Obama bin Biden . . . ?

    And most of all I don’t want a combat vet in the oval office!
    – You would have preferred that Nixon (who served in WWII, but not in combat like Kennedy did) had won in 1960?

    Icy Truth (6e6d48)

  112. And most of all I don’t want a combat vet in the oval office!

    Which is why my Grandfather was worried about Eisenhower, and look how that turned out!

    Apogee (366e8b)

  113. The number of advisors under the back of the bus is a testament to the size of Barcky’s organization.

    JD (5f0e11)

  114. God help any man who sits behind this desk who doesn’t know the military like I do. — Dwight D. Eisenhower

    Icy Truth (6e6d48)

  115. Someone once said (it might have been a VP, such as Truman, being thrust into the Presidency) that no man, no matter how close he was to the President, was ready to step into the Oval Office, in that type of circumstance.

    Another Drew (e24867)

  116. ” Ms. Palin came as a surprise not only to many Republicans and journalists, but also to the Obama team. The campaign has been busily preparing TV commercials to run against Mitt Romney — with aides gleefully watching hours of footage of Romney-McCain exchanges from the primary — but far little opposition research had been prepared about the Alaska governor. And aides said no commercials were ready to be immediately released, which the McCain campaign did when Mr. Biden was chosen.”

    MCCAIN YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD!

    NOW WHICH GUY DO WE WANT TO MAKE CinC TO GO TOE TO TOE AGAINST PUTIN, IRANIANS MULLAHS, AND AL QAEDA?

    Obama will get the wrong intelligence, focus on the wrong things, make the wrong statements, and have to backtracks… oh, yeah, makings of a great diplomacy master (not!!)

    Obama is a foldable empty suit, he got rolled by the Clintons into giving them 2 days at his convention, whiling screwing up by dissing her on the VP pick, then made a bad VP pick, and the McCain campaign has run rings around him….

    Take this guy to the showers now. He is NOT READY TO LEAD.

    Freedoms Truth (cfa2f1)

  117. bev wrote: Palin is a worse choice than Harriet Meyers was for AG!

    Written like someone who has really been paying attention.

    You sound like those Obamatons who called WGN calling Stanley Kurtz a liar. When challenged by the show’s host, they couldn’t come up with a lie that Kurtz had told.

    L.N. Smithee (452a68)

  118. I hate to rain in on the parade here as an independent, but here’s how this whole thing is going to play out with people who haven’t made up their mind:

    McCain killed his number one attack against Obama and the only one that was truly working.

    Palin is 44, was mayor of a town of 8500 people and Governor of the 47th most populated state (680,000 people) for the last two years. Her life before that was as a soccer mom and a PTA member (Parent-Teacher Association). Mayors of large cities have more experience than Palin.

    Obama is 47, was a community organizer, taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School, was a memeber of the Illinois legistlature for 8 years, the 5th most populated state in the US (12,852,548 people), with one of the largest and most diverse cities, and now is a US senator. He basically has the same experience that President Kennedy had and more than President Lincoln (arguably the same skills and talents).

    McCain has been in the Senate forever, former POW and has been considered a maverik for a long time. McCain has only met Palin twice ever, the second time was to ask her to fill in the VP slot (large judgement issue if she becomes a negative to the ticket).

    For McCain over months to have attacked Obama’s debatable, but historically acceptable experience as too little to run for office (a fair attack to use and was working), only to appoint someone with no experience rivaling that of many municipal officials, sounds like utter hypocrisy and lack of judgement. It wouldn’t matter so much if McCain wasn’t 72 and hadn’t experienced serious health issues(which became an issue starting today with this pick).

    By putting someone so new and inexperienced in such a high position, with no votes to “vet” her, gives scale to the “experience-o-meter,” and actually highlights the experience Obama does have, disregarded until tonight.

    Remember, McCain is the one who was using the experience card, not Obama. It was the most simplistic, forceful, consistent and valuable attack he had. You can’t use it if your replacement is the equivalent to town mayor.

    She might help rev up the Republican party, but I think in order to win now, McCain has to depend on conservative turnout. The experience attack is off the table against Obama and if Obama is smart, he won’t touch it except if McCain brings it up.

    I guess you could make the case that she has more executive experience, but does that mean two years of executive experience trumps 12 years of state/national legislative experience? Or 30 years? When does it end?

    Blake (7d1232)

  119. Hmmm. Obama has done…what…exactly? What bills has he sponsored on his own? How often did he vote “present” in the state legislature? The fact is, Obama has a history of exaggerating his resume, and flip-flopping more than low tide at Wakiki. Then he picks Biden for VP, who can’t help but exaggerate and lie, and has a history of acting like a braying jackass with cameras rolling.

    You can look both of those facts up. For example, look into Obama’s example of “working across the aisle” with McCain in the Senate. Whoops! And how about Biden’s history as “first in his class” on a “full ride” scholarship in law school? Or that shameful business during John Roberts’ confirmation hearing.

    Or need I bring up the credit card lobbying issue? Not to mention Biden’s own words—during the primaries—that Obama was not ready to be President.

    Governor Palin’s experience may look thin, but she certainly looks much more honest than either Obama or Biden. And you might ask about the porkbusting issue, incidentally.

    It’s amusing to see “Hope and Change” flow from a person who is a direct product of Chicago machine politics, and a guy who has been a completely hard left liberal for the last three decades.

    But my favorite comment was your first one:

    ” The experience attack is off the table against Obama and if Obama is smart, he won’t touch it except if McCain brings it up.

    Ah….you did see the Obama people IMMEDIATELY responded to the Palin announcement with this gem:

    “”Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency,” Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement.”

    Of course, Obama had to trot out right after that and disavow that comment. After all, if “zero foreign policy experience” is a bad thing in a VP, how about for President?

    The fact is, people on the Left want a Democrat to win. That’s it. Obama is a horrible standard bearer for the party. Ask Hillary Clinton about it. Heck, ask Al Gore about it.

    So we’ll see how it all shakes out. The next week should give us all an idea how your argument is going.

    Eric Blair (642d37)

  120. Comment by Blake — 8/30/2008 @ 12:19 am

    As an “independent”, eh? Right. Well, let’s see if I can parse this out a bit:

    I hate to rain in on the parade here as an independent, but here’s how this whole thing is going to play out with people who haven’t made up their mind:

    Your crystal ball works now?

    McCain killed his number one attack against Obama and the only one that was truly working.

    Actually, McCain hasn’t been making a lot of attacks, despite the predictions of the Obama campaign. Most of the negative stuff has been pushed by bloggers until the MSM has little choice but to give it some mention.

    Palin is 44, was mayor of a town of 8500 people and Governor of the 47th most populated state (680,000 people) for the last two years. Her life before that was as a soccer mom and a PTA member (Parent-Teacher Association). Mayors of large cities have more experience than Palin.

    Are you counting the ones that get indicted? Most of us kind of like the idea of a citizen getting involved in government without being sucked into the political system. She saw a need in her community and stepped up to meet it. After getting there, she kicked ass, took names, and got things done. That’s the experience that counts for me.

    Obama is 47, was a community organizer, taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School, was a memeber of the Illinois legistlature for 8 years, the 5th most populated state in the US (12,852,548 people), with one of the largest and most diverse cities, and now is a US senator. He basically has the same experience that President Kennedy had and more than President Lincoln (arguably the same skills and talents).

    Yawn. I remember John F. Kennedy (but not Lincoln). Obama is NO John F. Kennedy (neither is Ted, but that’s a different thread).

    McCain has been in the Senate forever, former POW and has been considered a maverik for a long time. McCain has only met Palin twice ever, the second time was to ask her to fill in the VP slot (large judgement issue if she becomes a negative to the ticket).

    Bwahahaaaa!!! One word… BIDEN.

    For McCain over months to have attacked Obama’s debatable, but historically acceptable experience as too little to run for office (a fair attack to use and was working), only to appoint someone with no experience rivaling that of many municipal officials, sounds like utter hypocrisy and lack of judgement. It wouldn’t matter so much if McCain wasn’t 72 and hadn’t experienced serious health issues(which became an issue starting today with this pick).

    “Historically acceptable”? Are you kidding? Obama has no relevant experience for POTUS… none. And yeah, McCain’s old, we got it. So is Carter and he’s still kicking 80 30 years after he became President (just seems like 80 sometimes).

    By putting someone so new and inexperienced in such a high position, with no votes to “vet” her, gives scale to the “experience-o-meter,” and actually highlights the experience Obama does have, disregarded until tonight.

    Highlights the absence of experience that Obama displays, which is becoming more apparent after today.

    Remember, McCain is the one who was using the experience card, not Obama. It was the most simplistic, forceful, consistent and valuable attack he had. You can’t use it if your replacement is the equivalent to town mayor.

    But you can if your replacement is the equivalent to the Governor of the largest State in the Union which borders two foreign countries and has a huge interest in energy production and distribution.

    She might help rev up the Republican party, but I think in order to win now, McCain has to depend on conservative turnout. The experience attack is off the table against Obama and if Obama is smart, he won’t touch it except if McCain brings it up.

    There you go, trying to think instead of using that crystal ball. McCain gets more conservatives with Palin than he does without her, also more money, more votes from disaffected Hillary voters, more votes from people who value substance/experience over style… Obama is in trouble and he knows it.

    I guess you could make the case that she has more executive experience, but does that mean two years of executive experience trumps 12 years of state/national legislative experience? Or 30 years? When does it end?

    Don’t guess, look deep into the ball… you’ll see that her executive experience does indeed trump both Obama and Biden. Mostly because what you call “legislative” experience is actually Chicago and Inside-the-Beltway corruption.

    I’ve got to say, you’ve convinced me. I didn’t think McCain had a chance in November. Now, I think he’s going to take it walking away. I’m still not voting for him, but I feel a lot better about him as POTUS now that you’ve shown me how outclassed the Obama/Biden ticket really is. Thank you.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  121. Bev wrote:
    How do you attempt to enforce the constitution without knowledge of it.

    Do you mean attempt to enforce like all those “knowledgeable” Top 10 law school grads who see the word “abortion” in the constitution? Palin might be from a Tier 3 university, but unlike Obama, she knows there are 50 states.

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  122. Look ‘ere, Bloke -

    McCain killed his number one attack against Obama and the only one that was truly working.
    – McCain says Obama is not ready to lead. That is still true. He is no more ready to lead today than he was yesterday.

    Palin is 44, was mayor of a town of 8500 people and Governor of the 47th most populated state (680,000 people) for the last two years.
    – And you mentioned her age why?

    Her life before that was as a soccer mom and a PTA member (Parent-Teacher Association). Mayors of large cities have more experience than Palin.
    – 1) You left out a couple of govt positions she has held, but I’m sure you had a good reason and that you had no intention of diminishing her accomplishments. 2) Is there a large-city mayor on one of the tickets?

    Obama is 47, was a community organizer, taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School, was a memeber [sic] of the Illinois legistlature [sic] for 8 years, the 5th most populated state in the US (12,852,548 people), with one of the largest and most diverse cities, and now is a US senator.
    – Strange how your list of Obama’s accomplishments is much more complete. Can you say slant?

    He basically has the same experience that President Kennedy had and more than President Lincoln (arguably the same skills and talents).
    – 6 years in the House of Representatives, 8 years in the Senate; plus there’s the little matter of his service as a Navy lieutenant commanding his own boat in WWII, where he was awarded:
    Navy and Marine Corps Medal
    Purple Heart
    Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal
    and the World War II Victory Medal.
    – So ‘basically’ you’re lying. As far as Obama having “arguably the same skills and talents” as Lincoln, that has been the shameless claim made during the convention . . . and in you it has become a talking point.

    McCain has been in the Senate forever,
    – But not as forever as Toothful Joe.

    former POW and has been considered a maverik [sic] for a long time. McCain has only met Palin twice ever,
    – So?

    the second time was to ask her to fill in the VP slot (large judgement issue if she becomes a negative to the ticket).
    – So? When (not “if” – “when”) Biden opens his mouth and vomits out a gallon’s worth of stupid, then Obama’s judgment, which he himself is selling himself on, comes into question.

    For McCain over months to have attacked Obama’s debatable, but historically acceptable experience as too little to run for office (a fair attack to use and was working), only to appoint someone with no experience rivaling that of many municipal officials, sounds like utter hypocrisy and lack of judgement.
    – For you to equate being governor of the largest state in the union (larger in land area than Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, and the United Kingdom combined; larger than the 22 smallest states combined), the only state that borders two foreign countries — one of them Russia — for you to equate that with being a municipal official is the height of being disingenuous.

    It wouldn’t matter so much if McCain wasn’t 72 and hadn’t experienced serious health issues(which became an issue starting today with this pick).
    – So all of the ageism before today was what . . . just a warm-ip?

    By putting someone so new and inexperienced in such a high position, with no votes to “vet” her, gives scale to the “experience-o-meter,” and actually highlights the experience Obama does have, disregarded until tonight.
    – And by “no votes to vet her” you mean no primary votes? as in, Hillary should have been Obama’s choice? In Palin’s losing bid for the 2002 Republican primary to become Lieutenant Governor, she received twice as many votes as Biden received for all of the 2008 presidential primaries he entered. She received more votes for Governor, in a less populous state, than Biden received in two of his reelection bids.

    Remember, McCain is the one who was using the experience card, not Obama. It was the most simplistic, forceful, consistent and valuable attack he had.
    – And then Obama declared that the most important factor is judgment. Is he now going to flip-flop on that?

    You can’t use it if your replacement is the equivalent to town mayor.
    – Your dismissive attitude is starting to grow ugly.

    She might help rev up the Republican party, but I think in order to win now, McCain has to depend on conservative turnout. The experience attack is off the table against Obama and if Obama is smart, he won’t touch it except if McCain brings it up.
    – So now you’re saying McCain did the right thing?

    I guess you could make the case that she has more executive experience, but does that mean two years of executive experience trumps 12 years of state/national legislative experience? Or 30 years? When does it end?
    – 1) Hopefully your bullshit will end right here. 2) You are lying — again — about her amount of executive experience. 3) She does have more executive experience since the others have zero. 4) This isn’t a math competition; as always, it is about trust and integrity and their positions on the issues.

    Icy Truth (6e6d48)

  123. How does that compare to top grad of an Ivy league Law school and years in the senate. Hillary was not riding any coattails in Law school!

    And yet – the Dems will still continue to be utterly dumbfounded as to how they always get labeled as elitists.

    BTW, Yale Law School doesn’t rank students and I don’t think it back then, so the “top grad” part is bull. As was mentioned above, Hillary also failed the bar, but – more importantly – while I am sure Hillary was a much more impressive person 4 decades ago, Palin showed she was able to perform after school, whereas you have to go back to academia to show Hillary is impressive. If a person’s credentials are accurate in indicating ability, she will demonstrate it in the real world.

    If I remember correctly, Harry Truman didn’t graduate from college and Nancy Pelosi went to a fourth rate school by any measure (along a bunch of other people in Congress), if you want to tell these people they’re unqualified idiots, fine by me.

    However, George Bush just e-mailed me to say he agrees with you 100% and he wishes you guys would use Ivy League schools as a proxy for intelligence more often.

    Anon (03ab2e)

  124. Obama is 47, was a community organizer, taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School, was a memeber of the Illinois legistlature for 8 years, the 5th most populated state in the US (12,852,548 people), with one of the largest and most diverse cities, and now is a US senator. He basically has the same experience that President Kennedy had and more than President Lincoln (arguably the same skills and talents).

    Icy Trurth already answered this, but – as long as we’re putting this into perspective, that also leaves him with half the experience Dan Quayle had.

    Anon (03ab2e)

  125. Does anyone have a link to the clip of Obama/Biden reaction to the news of Palin? I’ve heard they about fell over & have been dying to see for myself. Thanks so much!

    McCain/Palin ’08

    Lisa (0e9530)

  126. As I read down this thread, I could not help contrasting how the Obama campaign and virtually the entire MSM (pardon the repitition) were caught so unaware by Ms. Palin’s selection, whereas on the conservative blogs where I hang out, people have been pushing her candidacy for months and talking about the advantages she would bring to McCain.

    It is safe to say that many of us conservatives have had a very good couple of weeks, being overjoyed not only by Sara Palin’s candidacy, but also by Obama’s selection of Biden!

    I am used to feeling a bit isolated as the only conservative in most of my social, family and worklife circles, but this really puts a fine point on it – so many libs and media (sorry again) are just plain clueless about anything other than their self-prescribed little spheres of importance. Most of my friends had never heard of Biden, but are now absolutely convinced that he is the runner-up savior of mankind. Similarly, they had never heard of Palin, and are now pompously shaking their heads about this “lightweight”.

    At least they are consistent – they believe whatever the media tells them to.

    sherlock (b4bbcc)

  127. Oh, and I forgot to mention, the woman flies a floatplane, AKA an Alaskan SUV. Some lightweight.

    sherlock (b4bbcc)

  128. President Kennedy, like John McCain, also led men in war. Don’t discount it until you’ve done it.

    sherlock (b4bbcc)

  129. President Kennedy, like John McCain, also led men in war. Don’t discount it until you’ve done it.

    Sherlock, I seem to recall somebody else . . . oh right, George Washington.

    With the amount of Presidents we’ve had who’ve had military experience, I’m sorry bev, it really is just ridiculous to say you don’t want a vet in the White House.

    Anon (03ab2e)

  130. O!bama bimbette Bev claims to be a naval academy graduate and marine and yet she thinks a combat vet in WH is a horror? If she really is what she claims, standards for those institutions must have gone all to hell or perhaps she’s just another liberal anomaly who enjoys sucking the public teat. I seem to recall the woman who sued to attend The Citadel gave up soon enough while there. Wonder what she ended up excelling in later? Bev doesn’t say just where she was placed in the class rankings or what her specialty was. ..perhaps just another malcontent who response is a wimpy “bite me” and Amerikkkka is evil/BusHitler stupid .

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  131. I guess you could make the case that she has more executive experience, but does that mean two years of executive experience trumps 12 years of state/national legislative experience? Or 30 years? When does it end?

    She’s got 10 years of executive experience, not 2. Mayor is an executive office. So yes, 10 years of executive experience combined with a willingness to stand up to corruption trumps 12 years of legislative experience.

    It’s funny that the “independents” like Blake want to contrast Palin with Obama. Palin’s not at the top of the ticket.

    McCain isn’t going to keel over dead moments after his inauguration: Palin will get all the OJT she needs while serving as VP.

    Steverino (1dda08)

  132. Frankly, the comparisons to Kennedy of Obama are getting tiresome to me, because Kennedy is the most overrated President we’ve had. He botched quite a bit of our foreign policy, recklessly so. Took us to the brink of nuclear war on a dubious issue with Cuba and presided over the ridiculous CIA invasion as well as clumsily intervened in Vietnam.

    Not to mention that JFK had far more experience in the Senate by 1960 than Obama – and actually showed up more often during his years there.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  133. Lisa (6:53 am)

    I’ve heard {Obama & Biden] about fell over & have been dying to see for myself.

    – That’s an understatement! Obama looked like he was giving condolences at his own funeral, and Biden had such a pronounced frown he may need to visit Pelosi’s face doctor in order to ever smile again.

    Icy Truth (75e0f5)

  134. All the elitist slams of Sarah Palin, who has more accomplishments and more executive experience under her belt than Obama is … pathetic.

    But it’s based on the PHONY CALCULUS THAT HANGING IN POLITICS IS IMPORTANT.

    Sarah Palin is a normal American. A hockey Mom, business operator, PTA leader, and civic leader. She moved up and now leads a state as Governor.
    John McCain is a warrior and war hero.

    Joe Biden and Barack Obama are life-long practitioners of politics. They have no diversity in the American experience outside politics. Two lawyers who decided to go into politics as their ‘job’. they never had to manage a payroll, deal with private sector concerns, they never led or managed like McCain did when he was in charge of the largest air squadron in the US Navy, take a ‘the buck stops here’ stand like Palin did in Alaska standing up to oil cos.

    MCCAIN AND PALIN HAVE A DIVERSITY OF EXPERIENCE, INCLUDING EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE THAT TWO POLITICIAN LAWYERS WHO HAVE ONLY RUN THEIR MOUTHS CANNOT MATCH.

    Oh, and sometimes the gaffe-able Biden and Obama cant even manage that quite right. So the Obamamaniac elitism is not only insuffereable it is narrow-minded, clueless and hypocritical.

    let Obama be a mayor or governor for a while and THEN tell us he’s ready for the president. Right now — He’s not.

    Freedoms Truth (cfa2f1)

  135. “She’s got 10 years of executive experience, not 2. Mayor is an executive office. So yes, 10 years of executive experience combined with a willingness to stand up to corruption trumps 12 years of legislative experience.”

    It sure does.

    I smell fear in the desperate and phony attacks on the wonderful, accomplished and personable Sarah Palin.

    She is governor of the geographically largest state in the union thats the #1 energy supplier. Slamming her experience when Obama has done NOTHING in executive capacity AT ALL is so absurd its funny.

    Freedoms Truth (cfa2f1)

  136. “I guess you could make the case that she has more executive experience, but does that mean two years of executive experience trumps 12 years of state/national legislative experience? Or 30 years? When does it end?”

    Right, because 8 years Mayor, and 2 Years Governor is weak.

    But 8 years State Senate, and 4 Years Senate (with 2 years absent to run for President) is so much better it doesn’t only meet VP qualifications; it meets Presidential qualifications… really?

    So inexperience “one heartbeat away” is awful; inexperience and leadership that can’t manage even a small campaign staff (as he’s admitted they weren’t under his leadership with their attacks) is perfect for the Presidency, no heartbeats away…

    Keep that line of attack up. I’m sure everyone would prefer an inexperienced President to an inexperienced VP… because fortunately the President never has to do anything important.

    Gekkobear (60ec56)

  137. Mccain’s choice of Palin has secured my vote!

    One of the above poster’s hit the nail on the head that the Democrat party is only in it for the White House and not for the People. As a mother I am more apt to vote for a women who holds to her moral values and fights for what is right, sound like someone we now know “Sarah Palin” she doesn’t just claim to be Prolife and against corruption SHE PROVES IT.

    Obama who replied “It’s above my Paygrade” chooses Biden a Catholic to try to gain the Catholic vote LOL FOILED by his own Bishop pointing out to Biden and all Catholics that one is “NOT in union with the Church” if they are prochoice. Nice try Obama and Biden!

    So recap:

    1)The Obama-Biden ticket has less experience than the Mccain-Palin ticket.
    2)The Obama was the first to use the Race card
    3)The Obama-maniacs claiming to be for womens rights are now the first to attack a women whom has achieved real accomplishments, not only attacking her ability to care for a baby with down syndrome but also comparing her to someone who slept her way to the top.
    4)We have learned more about Palin a VP choice in the past 24 hours than we have learned about Obama in the past 2 months.
    5)The Obama-maniacs including a former President are now mocking Veterans by saying their shared war and POW stories are just cries for attention aka “Milking It”.

    Sheesh I could just keep going and going but I have children to care for so I’ll let it go at that for now.

    Ps1oo (5e49ec)

  138. I don’t know who tossed out the zinger that throwing Governor Palin in against Joe Biden in a debate would be like “Tossing Howdy
    Dootie into a knife fight.”

    Clearly the guy was not a marine biologist. If Governor Palin was given the name “Barracuda” in college, I would suggest the following.

    She appears to have more of the characteristics of the “great Barracuda” found in the waters of the West Indies. Only dolphins
    and giant tuna have the “equiptment” to get after a great barracuda. Barricuda’s by nature rely on stealth and speed to survive and a shark has to have a great deal of luck on its side to
    take on a barricuda. As a matter of fact, experienced divers have learned sharks are more cautious of human beings than barricuda. Essentially, sharks are scavengers that feed on decayin, diseased, or mortally wounded prey.

    A word of warning to Joe Biden: the night of the debate, don’t wear anything shiny.

    I’ve heard Joe Biden and I don’t think he is as

    Greg Marlowe (2bd192)

  139. “Why do we fall?

    To pick ourselves up again.”

    Batman Begins, also The Dark night

    …also… Joe Biden quoting his father…

    Do I smell plagiarism

    c thomas (308ffd)

  140. So where are the republican ‘family values’ now. Who will raise little, special needs Trig?

    bev (ee811d)

  141. oh golly gee, the unpatriotic I-don’t-want-my country-defended Bev bimbos4obama is back. How’s it feel to milk the system for a fancy education and then piss on the service of others?

    Tell us who you think is raising the child with the mom governor now? I’m sure you’d be one of those nine in ten who would have aborted if you could even find a man to impregnate you. Must suck to look and act like Rosie O’Donnell and not have an in the tank for obama media pay YOU the big bucks for spewing unscientific nonsense. We will pray for your confused and sinful soul. Jesus still loves you. Guess you get tired of mouthing the same inane drivel over at your moron.org/DU/KOS/HUFF/CodePinko stomping grounds. Repeat after me- Lord Obama is my messiah and savior and I will believe any horseshit he tells me even if he flip flops incessantly. And, like I-squat-to-pee Matthews and Olberdoche, I really, really wanna have sex of any kind with Barry Hussein Obama. now, bioya

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  142. #

    So where are the republican ‘family values’ now. Who will raise little, special needs Trig?

    Comment by bev — 8/31/2008 @ 5:09 pm

    Bev,
    I’m finding your attacks on a womans ability to lead while also being a mother to be insulting to all women who do “JUST THAT”. I find it more insulting that you would not be saying this had Hilary beaten Obama as you would have preferred. So I ask you how does it feel to not hold to your values unless it suites your momentary needs?

    Atleast as a women I was from the get go not for Hilary winning based on her words and actions. For me gender didn’t play a role same as race will not play a role for me either, Obama is for more government control and prochoice which are the same reason I eliminated Hilary as a possible choice for my vote.

    The Democrat party use to stand for something like 50 years ago. Now what is it today? It’s the Liberal communist party and sadly many voting Democrat don’t see it. The stick your head in the sand and ignore the suffering outside our own country Liberals that tried to feed the Hitler campaign are back in full force under the Democrat Tag. The group doing what ever it can to feed the moral decay of society as so they can come in later with their “Utopia Platform” yes that’s them telling all that they shouldn’t have to work hard to achieve the American dream instead sit on your rear and expect it from the government. This Utopia that they are feeding you is no more than Communism and it has never worked on the small scale so what makes them think it will work on the large scale all it does is bring more suffering.

    Get off your lazy rears,get a education,get a job,stop whining about the grass on the other side and work harder to buy it.

    Saying you have values and morals means nothing unless your actions back them up. This means all who in one breath say they a Christian and in the next say they are prochoice. This means all those who say they are for the security of America and in the next breath say “No drilling” leaving us at the dependancy of countries who are more than happy to take our money and fund terrorist attacks on our allies and on us.

    Ps1oo (5e49ec)

  143. bev,

    From the 8/29/2008 People Magazine:

    PEOPLE: As a new mom, how are you going to juggle all this?

    SARAH: I am thankful to be married to a man who loves being a dad as much as I love being a mom, so he is my strength. And practically speaking, we have a great network of help with lots of grandparents and aunties and uncles all around us. We have a lot of help.

    PEOPLE: So will your husband be on leave now indefinitely to be Mr. Mom?

    SARAH: I would say so, yes.

    What’s wrong with letting fathers take care of children?

    DRJ (7568a2)

  144. Everyone was surprised by the announcement, so I won’t fault the McCain camp on that. Their reaction, however, was pathetic.

    It’s 10AM. Somewhere in Obama Headquaters a phone is ringing…

    Do you want to elect the man who had to revise his statement on a planned VP announcement within 4 hours?

    Imagine the call comes that Iran has nuked Israel. What is his staff going to do? Call Ahmadinejad “a dictator of a small country with zero foreign policy experience who is a heartbeat away from getting nuked himself” only have Obama call back 4 hours later and say that his staff had a “hair trigger” and revise his statement?

    Then there is the obviously cut and pasted, prefabricated commercial. “This is George Bush’s running mate who is the biggest change to hit a presidential ticket in decades. See, he’s exactly like George Bush. The end.”

    Well done.

    Damiano (4cf33e)

  145. bev -

    So where are the republican ‘family values’ now. Who will raise little, special needs Trig?

    – Not to worry. We will make sure that he is raised to despise every patronizing, sexist piece of shit he encounters during his lifetime; especially those that support a candidate who says “Yes we can,” at the same time that they are pointing fingers and saying “No you can’t”.

    Icy Truth (5bcf70)

  146. The truth is John McCain wanted Lieberman to get the vote of the center, but was talked out of it because they couldn’t win. This is why the vetting process was more minimal than what a typical teacher goes through, or even a manager at a McDonald’s for that matter. It was last-minute, and we all know it. These are the great decision-making skills of McCain. Let’s hope this process is temporary and that when it comes to things like national security, he changes his ways.

    steve (373ad3)

  147. steve, already debunked myth.

    The reality is that the only person who has not been vetted competently is Obama – the long time associate of a terrorist.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  148. This is a perfect presidential test for Obama. he talks so much about change. Well now we can see just how well he deals with change, when change is not going his way. McCain has already passed this test. We have not heard Mcain stuttering and stammering for words. Even when his chips where down, McCain has allways known where he stands.
    I certainly like Palin, but my hat is off to McCain. He is proving to have what it takes.
    David

    David (8ddb9f)


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