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	<title>Comments on: Another Thought on Palin and the Issue of Experience Relative to Obama</title>
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		<title>By: GaryC</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaryC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 04:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;GaryC:
In the Illinois legislature, he seems to have set the record for Present votes. I have no idea how often he was Absent, but from 1997 to 2002 he was working these other two jobs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

According to a post on MyDD, the Illinois Senate was in session for the following:

90th General Assembly - 1997-1998 - 118 days total
91st General Assembly - 1999-2000 - 112 days total
92nd General Assembly - 2001-2002 - 118 days total
93rd General Assembly - 2003-2004 - 161 days total

It is possible that he missed some days, but the maximum total number of days served is 509, or about 2 years of 5-day weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>GaryC:<br />
In the Illinois legislature, he seems to have set the record for Present votes. I have no idea how often he was Absent, but from 1997 to 2002 he was working these other two jobs.</p></blockquote>
<p>According to a post on MyDD, the Illinois Senate was in session for the following:</p>
<p>90th General Assembly &#8211; 1997-1998 &#8211; 118 days total<br />
91st General Assembly &#8211; 1999-2000 &#8211; 112 days total<br />
92nd General Assembly &#8211; 2001-2002 &#8211; 118 days total<br />
93rd General Assembly &#8211; 2003-2004 &#8211; 161 days total</p>
<p>It is possible that he missed some days, but the maximum total number of days served is 509, or about 2 years of 5-day weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: SPQR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPQR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An associate at any law firm that is billing 1100 hours a year, is either on leave for six months or fired in September.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An associate at any law firm that is billing 1100 hours a year, is either on leave for six months or fired in September.</p>
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		<title>By: GaryC</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaryC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;JAR:
On the general subject of Obama’s employment history
“Obama taught at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992-2004, served in the Illinois senate from 1997-2004, and held positions as associate and of counsel at the law firm of Miner, Barnhill &amp; Galland (known as Davis, Miner, Barnhill &amp; Galland when Obama joined) from 1993-2002″&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Those three jobs are simultaneous, which implies fairly strongly that they are part-time.

We know that he was first a Lecturer and then a Senior Lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School. Both are essentially the equivalent of Adjunct Professor at some other school; not tenure track and presumably paid by the course, although Senior Lecturer is somewhat more prestigious.

At his law firm, we have billing records for 4 years, which (if I recall correctly) show him billing just over 1100 hours per year on average. Any associate with that level of billing is clearly not a candidate for Partner, unless he has mystical powers as a rainmaker. A typical but ambitious associate would be billing 80 or more hours a week.

By the way, that total apparently includes pro bono hours working for ACORN and hours spent as the Chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

In the Illinois legislature, he seems to have set the record for Present votes. I have no idea how often he was Absent, but from 1997 to 2002 he was working these other two jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>JAR:<br />
On the general subject of Obama’s employment history<br />
“Obama taught at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992-2004, served in the Illinois senate from 1997-2004, and held positions as associate and of counsel at the law firm of Miner, Barnhill &amp; Galland (known as Davis, Miner, Barnhill &amp; Galland when Obama joined) from 1993-2002″</p></blockquote>
<p>Those three jobs are simultaneous, which implies fairly strongly that they are part-time.</p>
<p>We know that he was first a Lecturer and then a Senior Lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School. Both are essentially the equivalent of Adjunct Professor at some other school; not tenure track and presumably paid by the course, although Senior Lecturer is somewhat more prestigious.</p>
<p>At his law firm, we have billing records for 4 years, which (if I recall correctly) show him billing just over 1100 hours per year on average. Any associate with that level of billing is clearly not a candidate for Partner, unless he has mystical powers as a rainmaker. A typical but ambitious associate would be billing 80 or more hours a week.</p>
<p>By the way, that total apparently includes pro bono hours working for ACORN and hours spent as the Chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.</p>
<p>In the Illinois legislature, he seems to have set the record for Present votes. I have no idea how often he was Absent, but from 1997 to 2002 he was working these other two jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: kishnevi</title>
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		<dc:creator>kishnevi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DRJ--Thanks for the corrective on Alaska oil royalties and taxes.  I should mention I saw one (unsourced) assertion that Palin&#039;s plans include forcing the oil companies to work land the companies aren&#039;t now using because they&#039;re aren&#039;t producable or at least profitable enough.  I thought that was Pelosi&#039;s brilliant idea.

Drew--still don&#039;t quite see how all that federal land impacts property taxes.  Unless the locals are thinking of tax money they could make off tracts that are being mined or forested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DRJ&#8211;Thanks for the corrective on Alaska oil royalties and taxes.  I should mention I saw one (unsourced) assertion that Palin&#8217;s plans include forcing the oil companies to work land the companies aren&#8217;t now using because they&#8217;re aren&#8217;t producable or at least profitable enough.  I thought that was Pelosi&#8217;s brilliant idea.</p>
<p>Drew&#8211;still don&#8217;t quite see how all that federal land impacts property taxes.  Unless the locals are thinking of tax money they could make off tracts that are being mined or forested?</p>
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		<title>By: Another Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve @ 3:45...
Well then, AK has driven a very smart bargain for its&#039; citizens, hasn&#039;t it.
Or, we could be blaming them for the cost of gasoline in the lower-48.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve @ 3:45&#8230;<br />
Well then, AK has driven a very smart bargain for its&#8217; citizens, hasn&#8217;t it.<br />
Or, we could be blaming them for the cost of gasoline in the lower-48.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s a graduated tax increase on production&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s a graduated tax on PRICE. Beldar correctly states that it&#039;s not the same thing Obama is proposing, but it&#039;s also distinguishable from the &quot;severance tax&quot; other jurisdictions impose.

From the &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103325_alaskatax07.html&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Alaska takes 25 percent of the net profit of a barrel when its price is at or below $52.

The percentage then escalates as oil prices rise over that benchmark. Alaska gets about $49 of a $120 barrel, not counting other fees.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Adding in royalty fees and other taxes, ConocoPhillips says the government take equals less than 50 percent of the barrel produced from deepwater wells, while Alaska &quot;captures about 75 percent of the value of a barrel.&quot; [Ibid.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s a graduated tax increase on production</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a graduated tax on PRICE. Beldar correctly states that it&#8217;s not the same thing Obama is proposing, but it&#8217;s also distinguishable from the &#8220;severance tax&#8221; other jurisdictions impose.</p>
<p>From the <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103325_alaskatax07.html" title="" rel="nofollow">article:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Alaska takes 25 percent of the net profit of a barrel when its price is at or below $52.</p>
<p>The percentage then escalates as oil prices rise over that benchmark. Alaska gets about $49 of a $120 barrel, not counting other fees.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Adding in royalty fees and other taxes, ConocoPhillips says the government take equals less than 50 percent of the barrel produced from deepwater wells, while Alaska &#8220;captures about 75 percent of the value of a barrel.&#8221; [Ibid.]</p>
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		<title>By: Another Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point on royalties...
If you check, you&#039;ll see that royalties are determined on a per bbl. basis, and whether or not the co&#039;s are making a profit is immaterial.
This is the same proceedure a private landowner would work with when granting a production lease-hold on his land.  Of course, the State of Alaska has a little bit better negotiating position when it wants to re-open negotiations on same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point on royalties&#8230;<br />
If you check, you&#8217;ll see that royalties are determined on a per bbl. basis, and whether or not the co&#8217;s are making a profit is immaterial.<br />
This is the same proceedure a private landowner would work with when granting a production lease-hold on his land.  Of course, the State of Alaska has a little bit better negotiating position when it wants to re-open negotiations on same.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kish...
One of the great points of heartburn in the West, is the amount of land locked-up by the Federal Government (BLM/Nat&#039;l Forest/Parks/Monuments/etc.) that is beyond the control of local entities.
During the Clinton Admin., Nye Co. NV even went so far as to arrest and jail Fed employees over a dispute on roads (NV BTW has an even higher % of its&#039; land owned by the Feds than AK, and Nye is the largest Co in NV).
This problem is a non-entity east of the Mississippi because, for the most part, there are no Fed Lands in those States.  Public land in the colonies became State Land upon Independance, and in many of the subsequent granting of Statehood, the same proceedure was followed.  In the West though, it was different; and great tracts of land are locked away by the Feds.
For more information, you might look up that think-tank that James Watt worked for before (and perhaps after - ?Rocky Mtn. Institute?, or something like that) he was Sec-Int.  One of his goals was to return land to State jurisdiction, but there are too many power centers in the bureaucracy and on Capitol Hill to allow that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kish&#8230;<br />
One of the great points of heartburn in the West, is the amount of land locked-up by the Federal Government (BLM/Nat&#8217;l Forest/Parks/Monuments/etc.) that is beyond the control of local entities.<br />
During the Clinton Admin., Nye Co. NV even went so far as to arrest and jail Fed employees over a dispute on roads (NV BTW has an even higher % of its&#8217; land owned by the Feds than AK, and Nye is the largest Co in NV).<br />
This problem is a non-entity east of the Mississippi because, for the most part, there are no Fed Lands in those States.  Public land in the colonies became State Land upon Independance, and in many of the subsequent granting of Statehood, the same proceedure was followed.  In the West though, it was different; and great tracts of land are locked away by the Feds.<br />
For more information, you might look up that think-tank that James Watt worked for before (and perhaps after &#8211; ?Rocky Mtn. Institute?, or something like that) he was Sec-Int.  One of his goals was to return land to State jurisdiction, but there are too many power centers in the bureaucracy and on Capitol Hill to allow that.</p>
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		<title>By: Freedoms Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freedoms Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;
&quot;
#50 Seems to me that Palin is a ballsy kick ass campaigner if she managed to toss the entrenched sitting governor out on his corrupt ass. Would be so lovely if she and McCain managed to wreak some havoc in DC against the ubiquitous, sleazy special interests.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Palin is that. 

Palin is Quality. Biden is quantity.

McCain is a Hero. Obama is a ZERO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><br />
&#8221;<br />
#50 Seems to me that Palin is a ballsy kick ass campaigner if she managed to toss the entrenched sitting governor out on his corrupt ass. Would be so lovely if she and McCain managed to wreak some havoc in DC against the ubiquitous, sleazy special interests.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Palin is that. </p>
<p>Palin is Quality. Biden is quantity.</p>
<p>McCain is a Hero. Obama is a ZERO.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kishnevi,

From &lt;a href=&quot;http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2008/08/dont-be-misled.html#more&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Beldar&#039;s post&lt;/a&gt; regarding whether Alaskan rebates are welfare: &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Alaska is in a position to rebate government money to its citizens. &lt;b&gt;They’re choosing to do so by direct payments rather than cutting taxes.&lt;/b&gt; But since their entire state budget is already (and has long been) based on the development of Alaska’s energy reserves, it’s not at all fair to compare that rebate program to the confiscate-and-giveaway class warfare that Obama is proposing.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kishnevi,</p>
<p>From <a href="http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2008/08/dont-be-misled.html#more" target="_blank" title="" rel="nofollow">Beldar&#8217;s post</a> regarding whether Alaskan rebates are welfare:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;Alaska is in a position to rebate government money to its citizens. <b>They’re choosing to do so by direct payments rather than cutting taxes.</b> But since their entire state budget is already (and has long been) based on the development of Alaska’s energy reserves, it’s not at all fair to compare that rebate program to the confiscate-and-giveaway class warfare that Obama is proposing.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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