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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/08/26/day-2-at-the-democratic-national-convention/comment-page-3/#comment-385469</link>
		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We never disappear, Gene.  We live here.</description>
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		<title>By: Gene Venable</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/08/26/day-2-at-the-democratic-national-convention/comment-page-3/#comment-385467</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Venable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The title of this thread was &quot;Day 2 at the Democratic Convention&quot;. I&#039;m new here, but it seemed to me that with a title like that, it was logical to move on after &quot;Day 2 at the Democratic Convention&quot; was over. So I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title of this thread was &#8220;Day 2 at the Democratic Convention&#8221;. I&#8217;m new here, but it seemed to me that with a title like that, it was logical to move on after &#8220;Day 2 at the Democratic Convention&#8221; was over. So I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Stashiu3</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/08/26/day-2-at-the-democratic-national-convention/comment-page-3/#comment-380952</link>
		<dc:creator>Stashiu3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did Gene disappear to? *snort*

(btw, I thought &quot;he got rooked&quot; would get at least a snicker.  harumph!)

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did Gene disappear to? *snort*</p>
<p>(btw, I thought &#8220;he got rooked&#8221; would get at least a snicker.  harumph!)</p>
<p> <img src='http://patterico.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: madmax333</title>
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		<dc:creator>madmax333</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the reasons I took early retirement from the Pa. state system was because they offered paid Blue Cross/Blue Shield. I never use it since I left, but it is good to know it is there for some kind of medical disaster. I don&#039;t even avail myself of the paid prescription program. But I know plenty of people over the years who made it a point to milk both things for all they were worth, demanding drug prescriptions from their docs at every turn. I feel bad for the people who took various jobs whose employers don&#039;t provide health insurance but that was the employees&#039; choice. For example, a father in a rather dead end job with kids may well have a tough time without any insurance, but many don&#039;t consider whether that top of the line SUV is necessary to their lifestyle. I suppose it may be if status and image are important in one&#039;s life.

I know plenty of people in their fifties with terrible medical conditions, many exacerbated by youthful life style choices centered on booze and drugs. And it is no surprise that they STILL suck on those ciggies too. I&#039;m not Nurse Bloomberg but it only makes sense to admit that a two or three pack a day nicotine habit is killing you. I have no clue what tobacco costs now, but add it up and I wonder if the cost might not buy some health insurance. 
  Funny, my cousin in Pa. is on SSI and has no primary care physican. Instead she has one of those nurse practioner. So the other day she takes ill and heads for the ER. And we know that will cost someone an arm and a leg, but not her. It was a comedy of errors as the one tending to senility doctor tripped over her IV line, pulling it halfway out. It might help in her case if she would watch her diet and stop the smoking. And I&#039;m sure another cousin pushing 400 pounds might fare a bit better medically if she lost some weight and didn&#039;t spend much of her existence in bed with the Home Shopping Network for companionship, but then she always has that oxycontin and morphine for succor. I guess it is hard for some people to consider that having your blood circulate a bit is good for the body too.
  I have not seen fat fecker Moore&#039;s propaganda film Sicko but I do know enough Euroweenies and Canadians who come to good old USA for medical woe treatments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons I took early retirement from the Pa. state system was because they offered paid Blue Cross/Blue Shield. I never use it since I left, but it is good to know it is there for some kind of medical disaster. I don&#8217;t even avail myself of the paid prescription program. But I know plenty of people over the years who made it a point to milk both things for all they were worth, demanding drug prescriptions from their docs at every turn. I feel bad for the people who took various jobs whose employers don&#8217;t provide health insurance but that was the employees&#8217; choice. For example, a father in a rather dead end job with kids may well have a tough time without any insurance, but many don&#8217;t consider whether that top of the line SUV is necessary to their lifestyle. I suppose it may be if status and image are important in one&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>I know plenty of people in their fifties with terrible medical conditions, many exacerbated by youthful life style choices centered on booze and drugs. And it is no surprise that they STILL suck on those ciggies too. I&#8217;m not Nurse Bloomberg but it only makes sense to admit that a two or three pack a day nicotine habit is killing you. I have no clue what tobacco costs now, but add it up and I wonder if the cost might not buy some health insurance.<br />
  Funny, my cousin in Pa. is on SSI and has no primary care physican. Instead she has one of those nurse practioner. So the other day she takes ill and heads for the ER. And we know that will cost someone an arm and a leg, but not her. It was a comedy of errors as the one tending to senility doctor tripped over her IV line, pulling it halfway out. It might help in her case if she would watch her diet and stop the smoking. And I&#8217;m sure another cousin pushing 400 pounds might fare a bit better medically if she lost some weight and didn&#8217;t spend much of her existence in bed with the Home Shopping Network for companionship, but then she always has that oxycontin and morphine for succor. I guess it is hard for some people to consider that having your blood circulate a bit is good for the body too.<br />
  I have not seen fat fecker Moore&#8217;s propaganda film Sicko but I do know enough Euroweenies and Canadians who come to good old USA for medical woe treatments.</p>
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		<title>By: Stashiu3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stashiu3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dammit, all. Just pay for Gene’s health insurance that &lt;b&gt;he chose not to provide for himself over the years&lt;/b&gt;. Heartless capitalists.
Comment by JD — 8/27/2008 @ 4:47 am&lt;/blockquote&gt; But.... but... he had a job with a &quot;&lt;i&gt;glamorous&lt;/i&gt;&quot; company... low-paying and without benefits... but it was &quot;&lt;i&gt;glamorous&lt;/i&gt;&quot;!!!  You didn&#039;t expect him to give up the &quot;&lt;i&gt;glamorous&lt;/i&gt;&quot; job for one that actually paid a decent wage, provided health insurance and retirement benefits, and wasn&#039;t &quot;&lt;i&gt;glamorous&lt;/i&gt;&quot;, do you?  Besides, how would he have gotten such expansive expertise in economics and healthcare anywhere else but The Internet Chess Club?

(he got rooked)  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dammit, all. Just pay for Gene’s health insurance that <b>he chose not to provide for himself over the years</b>. Heartless capitalists.<br />
Comment by JD — 8/27/2008 @ 4:47 am</p></blockquote>
<p> But&#8230;. but&#8230; he had a job with a &#8220;<i>glamorous</i>&#8221; company&#8230; low-paying and without benefits&#8230; but it was &#8220;<i>glamorous</i>&#8220;!!!  You didn&#8217;t expect him to give up the &#8220;<i>glamorous</i>&#8221; job for one that actually paid a decent wage, provided health insurance and retirement benefits, and wasn&#8217;t &#8220;<i>glamorous</i>&#8220;, do you?  Besides, how would he have gotten such expansive expertise in economics and healthcare anywhere else but The Internet Chess Club?</p>
<p>(he got rooked)  <img src='http://patterico.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stashiu3</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/08/26/day-2-at-the-democratic-national-convention/comment-page-3/#comment-379134</link>
		<dc:creator>Stashiu3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And the reason you should have seen Sicko would have been so you could have explained its lies, evasions and misconceptions to idiots like me.
Comment by Gene Venable — 8/27/2008 @ 2:56 am&lt;/blockquote&gt; You assume I didn&#039;t see it.

You assume it&#039;s credible enough to cite as authoritative.

You assume that nobody here might know what they&#039;re talking about when it comes to healthcare (like a nurse maybe?)

You assume that any nurse who saw Sicko should spend time debunking its propaganda for the benefit of every idiot (your word, not mine) who believes it.

You assume you know 50 times more about editing than others here.

You assume that your anecdotal experiences reflect the state of our healthcare system.

You assume other countries have a better system, both in healthcare and economics, without any evidence other than your &quot;hunch&quot;.

You make a lot of arrogant assumptions.  I&#039;m sorry you have health issues, I have more than a few myself.  But it might benefit you to comment less about things you are ignorant of and just read for a while, get to know a site and the folks who comment regularly (or even use the search function here to plug in the name... you might have known I was a nurse from that even if it hadn&#039;t come up in a thread.  Try it... I bet you find some interesting stuff.), and benefit from those with expertise in different areas.  If that doesn&#039;t work for you, coming back and acting like an arrogant ass again is always an available option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And the reason you should have seen Sicko would have been so you could have explained its lies, evasions and misconceptions to idiots like me.<br />
Comment by Gene Venable — 8/27/2008 @ 2:56 am</p></blockquote>
<p> You assume I didn&#8217;t see it.</p>
<p>You assume it&#8217;s credible enough to cite as authoritative.</p>
<p>You assume that nobody here might know what they&#8217;re talking about when it comes to healthcare (like a nurse maybe?)</p>
<p>You assume that any nurse who saw Sicko should spend time debunking its propaganda for the benefit of every idiot (your word, not mine) who believes it.</p>
<p>You assume you know 50 times more about editing than others here.</p>
<p>You assume that your anecdotal experiences reflect the state of our healthcare system.</p>
<p>You assume other countries have a better system, both in healthcare and economics, without any evidence other than your &#8220;hunch&#8221;.</p>
<p>You make a lot of arrogant assumptions.  I&#8217;m sorry you have health issues, I have more than a few myself.  But it might benefit you to comment less about things you are ignorant of and just read for a while, get to know a site and the folks who comment regularly (or even use the search function here to plug in the name&#8230; you might have known I was a nurse from that even if it hadn&#8217;t come up in a thread.  Try it&#8230; I bet you find some interesting stuff.), and benefit from those with expertise in different areas.  If that doesn&#8217;t work for you, coming back and acting like an arrogant ass again is always an available option.</p>
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		<title>By: no one you know</title>
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		<dc:creator>no one you know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why don’t you just go to a ready care/Urgent Care/Community Clinic? That would cost you far less than $1000, and you wouldn’t be wasting the ER’s time. And at the first two, you don’t need an appointment, you just show up and get in line.

Comment by Pablo — 8/27/2008 @ 4:40 am &lt;/i&gt;

Absent more information from the poster in question, it does seem that he would rather pay &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt; himself, and cost the taxpayers $1000 (or whatever it costs at the ED), than pay $50 or so himself and save the taxpayers that large amount of money.  Would be happy to hear that the situation is different than it looks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why don’t you just go to a ready care/Urgent Care/Community Clinic? That would cost you far less than $1000, and you wouldn’t be wasting the ER’s time. And at the first two, you don’t need an appointment, you just show up and get in line.</p>
<p>Comment by Pablo — 8/27/2008 @ 4:40 am </i></p>
<p>Absent more information from the poster in question, it does seem that he would rather pay <i>nothing</i> himself, and cost the taxpayers $1000 (or whatever it costs at the ED), than pay $50 or so himself and save the taxpayers that large amount of money.  Would be happy to hear that the situation is different than it looks.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dammit, all.  Just pay for Gene&#039;s health insurance that he chose not to provide for himself over the years.  Heartless capitalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dammit, all.  Just pay for Gene&#8217;s health insurance that he chose not to provide for himself over the years.  Heartless capitalists.</p>
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		<title>By: no one you know</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/08/26/day-2-at-the-democratic-national-convention/comment-page-3/#comment-379122</link>
		<dc:creator>no one you know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>about &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;5%&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; were self-paying = about &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;3%&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; were self-paying</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>about <i><b>5%</b></i> were self-paying = about <i><b>3%</b></i> were self-paying</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I did, by the way, achieve an appointment at the hospital I mentioned. A few weeks ago, I received an appointment for — Nov. 3! For a simple exam. So we see that delays are not unknown here in the US. In the meantime, it looks like I will require several $1,000+ visits to that emergency room to get medicine refill prescriptions, paid for at taxpayer expense.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why don&#039;t you just go to a ready care/Urgent Care/Community Clinic? That would cost you far less than $1000, and you wouldn&#039;t be wasting the ER&#039;s time. And at the first two, you don&#039;t need an appointment, you just show up and get in line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I did, by the way, achieve an appointment at the hospital I mentioned. A few weeks ago, I received an appointment for — Nov. 3! For a simple exam. So we see that delays are not unknown here in the US. In the meantime, it looks like I will require several $1,000+ visits to that emergency room to get medicine refill prescriptions, paid for at taxpayer expense.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you just go to a ready care/Urgent Care/Community Clinic? That would cost you far less than $1000, and you wouldn&#8217;t be wasting the ER&#8217;s time. And at the first two, you don&#8217;t need an appointment, you just show up and get in line.</p>
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