Kirsten Powers: “John Edwards Was Always a Fake”
[Guest post by DRJ]
Kirsten Powers is a Democratic consultant who appears on Fox News. She strikes me as a strong advocate for her Party but she has been criticized by some on the left as a vapid, shallow, serial idiot and (apparently) a stupid, annoying Bush sycophant.
I think Powers “earned” that criticism because she occasionally agrees with conservatives. If so, Powers’ column in today’s New York Post entitled “John Edwards: He Was Always a Fake” may earn her more criticism from the left. That would be a shame because, in the long run, I think her view is the best one for Democrats and the Democratic Party.
Powers can take comfort that Huffington Post blogger Lee Stranahan is unhappy with both John and Elizabeth Edwards:
“I’m sure I’ll get some angry comments here but if you’re an Edwards supporter, let me put this bluntly; if you gave John and Elizabeth Edwards time, money, support, or goodwill, they played you.
They made a conscious decision to make their relationship a focus throughout the campaign. That emotional goodwill you feel for them? They not only let you feel, they took actions and made statements specifically so you would feel it.
Then when the rumors first surfaced, they made the worst decision of all; they decided to lie about it and to keep lying about it for months. They lied in a way that made the people who were telling the truth look like the real liars. They lied in a way that turned their supporters into attack dogs. They only started to tell the truth when John Edwards was caught at the Beverly Hills Hilton and even now both John and Elizabeth Edward are calling the people who caught him the liars. That’s the definition of shameless.”
Both Powers and Stranahan see Edwards as the “victim” of his own ego and ambition. That’s something every politician understands.
— DRJ
Whenever someone says “I never liked that guy,” but you can’t remember a single time in the past when they said (present tense) “I don’t like that guy,” all they are doing is throwing the guy under the bus to avoid being contaminated by some of his stink. It’s narcissistic; how does his transgression affect me?
Icy Truth (a7ead4) — 8/9/2008 @ 6:54 pm– Powers is one of the few Lefties I’ve ever read that shows a capacity for the most dreaded of human compassions in the halls of moonbattery, “Shame”
– Shes simply ashamed she ever supported Silky Pony. And now, what with the compounding of lies, even helped along by Hunter herself avoiding a paternity test, looks like they’re all on the same page.
– Narcissist? How would that be non-standard for any SecProg?
– NE is still sitting on a pile of stuff. Some they mentioned on FOX last night already makes a portion of his “statement” yet more lies. Elizabeth’s also, which blows her cover.
– For Obama, its not helpful. Raises the “why we need to know about our politicians” idea, at a time when his campaign is running out of ways to keep him, and his real ideas and political nature, hidden safely under the public radar.
Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) (9562fb) — 8/9/2008 @ 7:07 pmOne of the reasons Stranahan is upset is that the day before Edwards confessed, Stranahan posted a column which made clear that Stranahan thought that Edwards was being framed and was totally innocent.
He’s externalizing the fact that he himself got played. No wonder he’s pissed off.
Steven Den Beste (99cfa1) — 8/9/2008 @ 7:27 pmActually, there’s no such person as “Kirsten Powers”. That’s just the “pundit name” of this person.
TLB (2025f2) — 8/9/2008 @ 7:28 pmSteven Den Beste,
That would sting. No wonder Stranahan sounds so wounded.
DRJ (9d1be2) — 8/9/2008 @ 7:30 pmToo bad Republicans don’t do Shame.
BabyDaddyGate continues apace with the maternal unit refusing to submit to a DNA test.
Obviously this cannot be tolerated. Declare the little bastard an “Enemy Combattant” toss him in Gitmo with “The Breck Girl” and force the DNA out of them!!!!!!
David Ehrenstein (21c975) — 8/9/2008 @ 7:37 pmBBH – I think Powers shilled for Hillary, not Edwards.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/9/2008 @ 7:56 pmKirsten will be pilloried for this. The MSM will drop this whole thing, saying it is not news since Silky is no longer a candidate. FWIW – I like Kirsten for being an honest lib, and the fact that she is pleasant and easy on the eyes is just a bonus.
JD (5f0e11) — 8/9/2008 @ 7:57 pmNo – I posted a completely tongue in cheek piece that showed how absurd the Edwards story was if you took them at their word. It’s semi-satirical so I understand where it may have confused some people but I think a re-read will show you it’s totally consistent with all my writing on Edwards…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan
I’m not pissed off. I’m just saying the truth as I see it and it ain’t pretty in this case.
Lee Stranahan (6ceb84) — 8/9/2008 @ 7:59 pmI realize that this makes me a heartless bastard, but – Everybody’s been saying about how sorry they feel for Elizabeth. (Assuming it’s true she’s known about this since 2006) I can’t help but agree with Stranahan’s sentiment. Over the past couple years, Elizabeth has obtained public and political prominence – if she valued that less than she valued a faithful husband, I do feel sorry for her, but otherwise (if she consciously exchanged one for the other) I can’t extend too much sympathy.
I’ll say this, the next wife who gets cheated on (and this goes for Republicans as well as Democrats) and proceeds to act like a human being, walks up to a microphone and calls him a S.O.B. – that person I’ll extend my sympathies to.
Anon (db8e0c) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:04 pmWhy would Ms. Hunter be needed for any paternity test? She’s not the father and we know it. All that is needed is a cheek swab from baby Frances. Non invasive, doesn’t hurt in the least. And a cheek swab from Mr. Edwards, of course.
kimsch (2ce939) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:06 pmThe real question is how soon did Elizabeth really know? If she knew early, then she really screwed the Democrats by enabling her cheating husband to almost ruin Obama’s election. Think if Obama had tapped Edwards as VP. When did Elizabeth know?
Mike (db8692) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:12 pm#10 Ms. Hunter already asserted that her baby will not be giving up any DNA. My bet is that John-John really is daddy. Whatever reason would he have to pay out for a kid not his?
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:12 pmMike – for that matter, think if he had won and we were talking about the Democratic nominee?
Anon (db8e0c) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:16 pmI’ve already posted elsewhere that EE is just as much a liar as her husband. I have no remorse for her.
As for when she knew, it has to be around the time the baby was born/payoffs were made.
The sad part is it was in his past if he could have just not visited the hotel….
…just one more time….
reff (b68a4f) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:17 pmAll anyone has to do is wait for garbage day and grab a dirty diaper. DNA galore and trash on the street is not “yours” anymore…
kimsch (2ce939) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:18 pmEdwards himself tried spinning it that way. But you cannot be your own victim. These are just chickens coming home to roost.
Oh, and he’s still lying, renouncing his new child and playing her mother off as a crew slut despite his wee hours rendezvous with her. He hasn’t learned a thing, except that getting caught sucks.
Pablo (99243e) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:20 pmIt’s all coordinated: he says he’s totally willing to take a DNA test, the next day she says no way; he looks like the good guy, she — who in public life is a nobody — takes a “hit” that damages a reputation she never had in the first place. Meanwhile, Elizabeth praises him for doing what it takes to hold their family together. Both of the women he screwed are covering for him . . . a last-ditch attempt to preserve his reputation and some sort of future career in public service.
Icy Truth (a7ead4) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:22 pm#15 – kimsch
— Who is going to grab John’s dirty diaper?
Icy Truth (a7ead4) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:24 pmlol
kimsch (2ce939) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:25 pmLee – I thought your piece was great and a total slam on those who were believing the party propaganda, hook, line and sinker.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:35 pmLee – I meant your August 6 – John Edwards Needs To Stop Taking The Fall! piece.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:40 pmHere’s what I think will happen they are all in “cahoots” together. When Elizabeth dies, which is inevitable, Edwards will eventually hook up the mother and baby, end of story. He fades from politics, continues to be a filthy rich lawyer and has a happy life, good for him. Who knows, maybe Elizabeth even helped handpick her predecessor, it’s happened before, this is the woman who will make my hubby happy.
dixiedragon (012342) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:42 pmToo bad comments aren’t being permitted for Justine Levine’s posts.
Ira (28a423) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:48 pmJustin has posted about Hunter’s refusal to have a paternity test done. Justin insists that Hunter’s baby must be Edward’s child, and Justin dismisses the possibility that Hunter may have had affairs, or at least sexual encounters, with men other than Edwards. It may very well be that Edwards is paying Hunter to refuse to take a paternity test. However, that may coincide with Hunter’s own desires since she may want Edwards to think the baby is his when she perhaps knows it may be that some other guy is the biological dad. Of course, this paragraph is rife with speculation, and so are many of the conclusions that Justin is jumping to.
The horror! LGF says that Breck Girl is furious at ABC News for reporting his story too early on Friday as they were supposed to wait for olympic opening ceremonies to drown out his confession. Such a sincere man with a few human frailties. He would have made a great Potus in mode of Bill Clinton redux.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:56 pmThat’s a pretty neat trick, picking out her predecessor.
Icy Truth (a7ead4) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:58 pmIra – Whatever happened, now that Edwards has been cornered, I’m sure he is telling the American people the whole truth. I also still believe in the Easter Bunny so YMMV.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/9/2008 @ 9:00 pmIra,
If it’s true that Edwards visited Rielle’s baby on at least two occasions as the National Enquirer claims, and apparently it is, don’t you think Edwards would have taken steps to make sure he is related to the baby? He might have paid Rielle to keep her quiet about their affair but I don’t think he would visit a baby on multiple occasions – in the dead of night – that he knew wasn’t his.
Furthermore, maybe the DNA test has already been done and that’s why Rielle doesn’t want or need it done now.
DRJ (9d1be2) — 8/9/2008 @ 9:05 pmTread lightly when it comes to Kirsten Powers. She’ll fool you. Usually, she spouts Dem talking points, then every so often you catch a whiff of reality and common sense. But like the sweet scent of night blooming jasmine after a brief summer squall, looked for again, it can’t be found.
Ropelight (cb4838) — 8/9/2008 @ 9:07 pm“maybe Elizabeth even helped handpick her predecessor, it’s happened before, this is the woman who will make my hubby happy.”
Considering the Edwards still have young children, I don’t think any wife is going to choose a predecessor who is promiscuous and less than upstanding to become mother to their children.
Also, I have known women who have suffered terminal illnesses and not one that I know of ever chose a replacement for her husband. The last thing a husband of a dying wife is thinking about is, who can I get to replace her. And, unless you were a wife 100 years ago with a brood of kids and farm to run…
On top of which, no woman I know is going to remotely consider a semi-attractive blonde to replace her.
Dana (254946) — 8/9/2008 @ 9:10 pm#29 Sissy John at least claims that his infidelity was oncologically correct. I always thought he was a girlie after seeing the video where he’s primping his hair for two minutes in the mirror to music of I Feel Pretty. Btw, Kirsten could dye her roots more often, but at least we know she’s a bottle blonde.
The newspapers have more important things to waste time on, like what newsbusters.org report about Boston Globe story What If Dukakis Won 20 Years Ago? Those people should write comedy farces.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/9/2008 @ 9:20 pmNobama 2008!
Democrat Family Values – We have the right to lay pipe like the Kennedys.
Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 8/9/2008 @ 9:26 pmEek! It’s spreading! Successor, not predecessor.
Icy Truth (a7ead4) — 8/9/2008 @ 9:27 pm– Just mentally replace the word predecessor with the word “replacement” and it all works out.
– Unless Liz was channeling Cleo.
Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) (9562fb) — 8/9/2008 @ 9:31 pmElizabeth Edwards is smart, well-educated, attractive, courageous and articulate. She appears to be a good wife and mother with a successful career. Even if she lied and schemed to promote her husband’s political career, most people (especially women) will see Elizabeth Edwards as the total package and John Edwards as a cad if she wasn’t enough to keep him from straying. To top it off, she’s vulnerable and Americans love to sympathize with vulnerable people who’ve been wronged.
DRJ (9d1be2) — 8/9/2008 @ 9:31 pmDouble eek! You’re right! I think it was because as I typed I was picturing myself choosing a semi-attractive blonde as my replacement, and snorting. As if!
Dana (254946) — 8/9/2008 @ 9:38 pm“if she wasn’t enough to keep him from straying.”
An assumption to make one flinch.
DRJ, its precisely that she is a very vulnerable and sympathetic figure that makes me again say I wouldn’t be surprised if the party invited her to speak at the convention understanding that there are still many non-committed Hillary followers who may be swayed by the plea from a well-loved strong but wronged woman.
Dana (254946) — 8/9/2008 @ 9:52 pmApparently the report that EE would speak at the convention was incorrect.
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reff (b68a4f) — 8/9/2008 @ 10:08 pmThere is no way that she’s showing up with the public exposure/humiliation so fresh in the minds of the delegates.
Icy Truth (a7ead4) — 8/9/2008 @ 10:15 pmI’m shocked anyone took Stranahan’s Satire piece to be serious. He’s been very consistent on this issue, and certainly was the least played on the issue.
He was kicked off Daily KOS for his integrity. Liberals like him are exactly what this nation needs. If we could just not elect all the Murthas and Tom Delays, we’d all be a lot better off.
Juan (4cdfb7) — 8/9/2008 @ 10:37 pmRe: Ambinder’s post that Elizabeth Edwards would speak at the Convention.
The speculation was that Obama would let the Edwards story simmer for a week while he vacations in Hawaii and then decide whether the Edwards would attend or speak at the Convention. However, when Obama arrived in Honolulu, he was asked whether Edwards would be speaking at the Convention and ABC reports Obama responded:
I think that ended any possibility one of the Edwards would speak.
DRJ (9d1be2) — 8/9/2008 @ 10:45 pmWell. I guess until the convention, the possibility is still just that. I don’t give the Dems the benefit of the doubt, and I don’t think there is any level they will not lower themselves too if it means winning. And for Obama’s statement, well, we’ve seen how easily what’s said isn’t really what was meant…
Perhaps you have a stronger belief in the natural goodness of man. Fair enough.
Dana (254946) — 8/9/2008 @ 10:56 pmI’m not sure if I’d describe it as goodness. I think Obama is washing his hands of the Edwards because he doesn’t want anything to mar his Convention.
DRJ (9d1be2) — 8/9/2008 @ 11:02 pmMy guess is that Edwards is still having an affair with Hunter- that’s why the dead of night visits.
Ira (28a423) — 8/9/2008 @ 11:20 pmBeware the pantsuit brigade!
Icy Truth (a7ead4) — 8/9/2008 @ 11:22 pmI told my husband that I admired his loyalty to his first wife, who fought a six-year battle with breast cancer. When the cancer spread and things got very bad, he quit his high-powered job to have time to be there for her and for their kids. (His boss created a part-time, work-at-home job that kept him on the health plan.)
He replied, “There’s a word for men who flake out when their wife gets cancer. The word is ‘shithead.’ That’s not who I am.”
John Edwards, that’s who you are.
Joanne Jacobs (eae734) — 8/10/2008 @ 2:09 amKeep in mind that the house the child’s mother lives in and that Edwards’ “friend” gave her financial assistance to get into, has been called by ABC News as being a “$3 million dollar house”.
jim2 (34daeb) — 8/10/2008 @ 5:23 amFollow the Yellow Brick Road…straight to the Wizard of Oz, Barack Obama.
John Edwards, blessed by the Obama promise of change. Edwards’ potential appointment of Barack Obama’s White House is more than laughable at this moment! What does that say about Obama’s choices?
Can’t ANYONE out there in the land of oz see the Obama-forrest made of monkey-trees?
Be careful what you wish for Obamies, you just might get it!
Obama seems to pick and choose ALL the WRONG people, policies, plans, advertisements, comments, vacation time, and on and on and on. He talks and talks, without saying much of anything, esp. an ANSWER, NOT a ring-around-the-rosies song and dance routine.
This election couldn’t possibly be about truth, facts or CHANGE…wake up and smell the coffee people.
Sometimes it’s hard to see the wolf in sheep’s clothing, even when he’s staring you in the face…sometimes, that wolf is the man looking in the mirror, at himself.
Voter fraud, extremist idiosycrisies, advertisements paid for by the people for a chosen (bought, bribed, etc) select…
Obama has NOT proven he is capeable to LEAD America (as a TWO-YEAR Senator) or that ANY of his politics will ever build this fantasy-world of Obama-change.
Obama cannot seem to be able to select ONE solid political relationship, that makes a difference, in CHANGE.
NOT a single ONE to date!
Sick of the lies, deceptions, and the twisted-tongue of a man who obviously attract MAJOR disasters.
Hard Truths (64f4fb) — 8/10/2008 @ 6:33 am#48
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/10/2008 @ 6:50 amhttp://powerlineblog.com today says much the same about “meaningless statements”. Check out what McCain and Obama have to say about the current Russian-Georgian war. McCain is deemed the old man, but Obama is the one on vacation. John at Powerline has it so right that “Obama will NEVER be ready for Presidency, given his temperament, his self-regard, his blithe ignorance of history and of material condtions of life on this planet. He is unsuited for, and inadequate to, the office.”
Perhaps Obama’s fawning supporters here can point out ANYTHING that makes him presidential worthy? Besides being so-called black and an affirmative action hire?
Who cares what she thinks….she’s hott.
Increase Mather (c28cbb) — 8/10/2008 @ 7:25 amMy local liberal rag/dem pol-enabling rag has front page hit piece on Reille Hunter as One-time party girl. Oooooh, she used drugs and abused credit cards. Pity she couldn’t channel dead kids, get huge jury awards against doctors and millions of impressionable voters wet their panties.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/10/2008 @ 7:39 amOh and at least His Lord and His Wife have forgiven John Edwards (sez he). Can liberal voters be far behind?
“Elizabeth Edwards is smart, well-educated, attractive, courageous and articulate. She appears to be a good wife and mother with a successful career.”
She, along with Edwards, worked in daddy’s law firm.
Both were ambulance chasers.
davod (5bdbd3) — 8/10/2008 @ 8:15 am“The last thing a husband of a dying wife is thinking about is, who can I get to replace her.”
Dana, you forgot who we’re talking about here – it’s John Edwards, not some normal yokel who actually has feelings of shame and morality. That kind of stuff is for suckers and jerks – not the kind of thing that our John – John goes in for.
Dmac (874677) — 8/10/2008 @ 8:22 amJuan #40, amen.
Mark Twain once said “We have no hereditary criminal class in America with the possible exception of Congress.”
Edwards is just an extreme example. He is a nauseating individual and no one should be surprised at this story. Even John Kerry distrusted him in 2004.
MIke K (155601) — 8/10/2008 @ 9:08 amjim2 at #47,
$3 million in Santa Barbara might land you a 35 year old, 1800 sq ft fixer, if it was located anywhere even remotely considered fashionable. Close to the water or across from the park, add another 25%.
Hope Ranch or Montecito and you can double the initial figure for just about anything with indoor plumbing. Santa Barbara is too near the sun for regular folks.
Ropelight (cb4838) — 8/10/2008 @ 10:13 amDmac, silly me.
🙂
Dana (254946) — 8/10/2008 @ 10:26 amInteresting Edwards connection at http://www.overlawyered.com Lowdown on Edwards’ lawyer buddy Fred Baron who paid for the momma’s moving and housing expenses. “Baron money trail forced Edwards’ hand.” Boo hoo.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/10/2008 @ 10:55 amhttp://www.michellemalkin.com has more of it as the lead story.
As nearly as I can tell, money is still changing hands in all of this. Fred Baron paid to move Rielle Hunter and Andrew Young and his wife and children from Carolina to California, where none of them had jobs. This happened after the initial revelations last year, but before the current stuff came out.
Now, tell me why Mr Baron would be paying for all of this unless he knew the truth? The notion that he did this without Mr Edwards’ knowledge is utterly ridiculous.
There’s just too much stuff still happening here for me to think it probable that the story is over.
Dana R Pico (556f76) — 8/10/2008 @ 11:02 amdavod #52,
Surely you don’t mean to disparage family businesses?
DRJ (9d1be2) — 8/10/2008 @ 11:03 amBrit Hume interview here:
http://www.thenoseonyourface.com/conservative-satire/edwards-discusses-infidelity-with-brit-hume/
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/10/2008 @ 11:07 amBrit Hume interview
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/10/2008 @ 11:14 amhere.
That’s funny, daleyrocks.
DRJ (9d1be2) — 8/10/2008 @ 11:20 amYeah, that’s the ticket, IGH..irresponsibly gorgeous hair. What woman or man with any libido at all could possibly resist the sexual aura that his hair projects? And I bet he emits some really powerful pheromones too. Bet the leftists here fantasize about a menage a trois with the Silk Phony and Urkel.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/10/2008 @ 11:26 amWith apologies to Scott Ott:
I can hear John Edwards’s political carrier calling out to me in the darkness. About six weeks before the Democratic Convention, it said “everything is fine”. About four weeks before the convention, it said “Something’s wrong.” About a week before the convention, it said “I need help” but help never arrived.
Sean P (e57269) — 8/10/2008 @ 11:33 amI wrote an analysis of this today as well, and what I took from it is that Kirsten Powers has always been a fake as well. She has consistently refused to acknowledge what she apparently knew to be true about Edwards for years, yet now she has the audacity to throw him under the bus while excusing her own role as a water-carrier for him.
Hypocrisy at its finest. I used to respect her, even though I usually disagreed with her, but no longer. Perheps she can start sharing her contempt for other Democrats that she is smart enough to see through before everyone else does. That would be a good way to make amends.
Scott Martin (600ee6) — 8/10/2008 @ 11:42 amTransfered from another thread. On this same subject.
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/10/2008 @ 12:22 pm“On a more serious note, John Edwards has not been as truthful as he needs to be.
1) Why did he get into this affair? Was the pressure of his wife’s cancer taking its toll on him? Was he feeling she was growing old on him. He is 54 and she is 59. Did he get tired of what he was seeing when they were alone, naked, in the room? Was he feeling she no longer could fit into his growing needs? Did they discuss this? Did her cancer exacerbate her physical appearance? Was he feeling choked off knowing he had to be faithful to her no matter her condition? Did he show signs to her that he was no longer really happy with his sexual life? Did she understand and agree with him to support whatever decision he took-so long as he was happy? Was she privy to this affair from day one? Did she always know about the other woman and had to live with it, so as to not lose him?
2) Was having a baby part of the arrangement? Did he break their bedroom agreement by getting her pregnant? Is she willing to forgive him and accept this shame as long as there was no child coming out of it? Did John Edwards at a point get so involved with this “strange woman” emotionally that she felt she needed something to hold, something that would increase her self worth. Something that will make her not to see her self as his slut. His whore. Was this baby her only way of self redemption? Or wait, was the baby meant to be a secret between John Edwards and this woman? A secret that will only be revealed after the anticipated passing of Elizabeth? Was this woman his fall back from the expected loss of his precious wife?
More Questions in my next installment.”
Lovey – Why don’t you email John and Elizabeth with your questions. They are in the best position to answer them as opposed to commenters on a blog. You are turning out to be a very disturbed individual. okthxbye.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/10/2008 @ 12:28 pm— I think Dmac touched on it; it is quite possible that Edwards was/is potentially lining up a successor to his wife for political purposes. After the appropriate grieving period — twelve months max in the world of public figures — he can bring his baby-mama home to N.C.
— I see that the LAT blog has posted a timeline of the affair; parts of it can also double as a timeline of all the times when The Times failed to take up and investigate the story.
Icy Truth (d05099) — 8/10/2008 @ 12:56 pm#66
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/10/2008 @ 12:57 pmGet lost you fool! I have had enough of your nonsense. You are arrogant, stupid and offensive. How do you live with yourself!! If you don’t have anything sane to comment stop being an a****le and mind your freaking business. You will be a fool to respond to this comment.
love2008, are you posting drunk again?
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/10/2008 @ 1:03 pmlove2008,
Recall making some point the other day about liberals I’m acquainted with talking quite a lot about feelings and conservatives talking about right and wrong. Your post is an excellent example of what I’m talking about.
The answers to your questions really are none of our business, as opposed to the fact of his infidelity, which is useful information in our character assessment of him, and which he agrees is of public relevance to voters.
It’s pretty simple actually. They’re married, he made a vow and he broke it big time (and, worse yet, either while she was sick or just after–see Tanya’s response to the latter). Then lied about it, big time, to lots of people. Made truthful people out to be liars.
You could have ended it with your first sentence. None of the other things matter.
no one you know (1ebbb1) — 8/10/2008 @ 1:04 pmSo much hate from someone named “love”.
Icy Truth (d05099) — 8/10/2008 @ 1:04 pmI will pray for you Lovey.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/10/2008 @ 1:12 pm#71
So much hate from someone named “love”.
When are you going to start speaking the truth? Icy TRUTH! Before taking sides as you republicans are wont to do, did you try to look at the other side of the issue and see what led to it? Of course you won’t! He is your republican clone-brother. A hybrid of nonsensical behavior mixed with intellectual vapidity. I don’t expect any more from you. And i don’t care what you say about me. You insult and annoy people, just to hide your insecurity. And when the person fires back, you take a moral stand. I know your style. It’s not gonna work on me. If you don’t like being insulted then don’t insult people. Galatians 6:7
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/10/2008 @ 1:48 pmWhen we posted this story in Dec. 2007 (and we certainly weren’t the only blog to do so) the article was hit about 6,000 times, leading me to believe that it was absolutely newsworthy with or without Edward’s admission. After all – all the same elements are there. Not much has changed in a half a year.
The fly in the ointment here though is that is shows pretty plainly how bent the media is. Oh yeah, I know, they’ll cover liberal goofs when they absolutely have to. The cable news networks are forcing them to cover all sorts of things they didn’t want to cover before….
However the newspapers – like the NY Times will splash an unproven story about an alleged McCain affair all over the front page, while the Edwards story (which has had sources, photos and the woman’s own allegations) was flatly ignored.
Now the liberal press proports “he’s not running for anything, why does it matter?”
Well, the story happened when he was running for something – he then was a viable VP candidate and lastly, yes, he is STILL in active in the political process, stumping for Obama (until now anyway).
To say it’s not a legitimate, serious story is pure nonsense – and since I seriously doubt Edwards is coming clean about the child being his, it will continue to be a story.
The aggravating thing to me is the simple fact that if one of our soliders messes up on the battlefield, fighting for their lives… the media will run with that story for years and years.
Type GITMO into a Google search and count the major media links appear by the hundreds and probably thousands.
Let one of their own mess up, lie about it, cover it up…. and it’s page 18 news at the very most.
Danny Vice
Danny Vice (2529cf) — 8/10/2008 @ 2:09 pmhttp://www.theweeklyvice.com
did you try to look at the other side of the issue and see what led to it?
Comment by love2008 — 8/10/2008 @ 1:48 pm
Not clear on how “seeing what led to it” (none of our business anyway) would make any difference about our evaluation about the rightness or wrongness of his actions?
I’m not trying to judge his soul, and it seems you are. You say you’re a Christian, and Jesus Himself said we can’t judge another’s soul. The internal workings of his marriage are also none of my business. And your questions did look, how do I put this nicely, much, much too personal.
But we can judge actions, and John Edwards’ infidelity, subsequent lies, and letting other truthful people look like liars were all very wrong.
no one you know (1ebbb1) — 8/10/2008 @ 2:14 pmMy comment #69 was meant for Daleyroks at #67. And my comment at #74 is meant for Icy at #72. The comments seem to have jumped.
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/10/2008 @ 2:16 pmWonder if my comments are appearing…love2008 doesn’t seem to see them, at any rate… 😉
no one you know (1ebbb1) — 8/10/2008 @ 2:28 pm#76
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/10/2008 @ 2:31 pmNo one I know.
You are getting mixed up. My point was not about John Edwards’ stupidity and betrayal. I am not even trying to defend him here either. My comment which you were responding to was not about Edwards. It was actually my reaction to Icy’s comments about my response to Daley at comment #67. He was taking sides without caring to know what led to my out burst at #69.
Why is John Edwards still news?
The paternity test will be ordered by a judge when Rielle Hunter files for child support. That’s how its done.
It’s a tale about Obama and Elizabeth, the brains of the operation. John Edwards’ sex fling is news because Obama knew it to be true and still wanted him on the VP list, up to just a few days ago. This is how government figures get blackmailed…of course, Edwards is already paying about $15000 in blackmail (via an associate) to keep Rielle from telling the truth to the world…you see, John is not the story, it’s about Elizabeth…Elizabeth Edwards was supposed to speak at the DNC in Denver…money was paid to suppress the scandal until after the convention…but, obviously, the National Enquirer paid better. Also, if Elizabeth knew in 2006, then why would Elizabeth subject the Democratic Party to such a risk by letting her fornicating husband run for the nomination…simple, Elizabeth did it to draw votes away from Hillary…how Elizabeth stole Hillary’s nomination is the real story.
Roy (db8692) — 8/10/2008 @ 2:32 pmRepublicans take sides, rather than look at what caused this issue???
Republicans take the side of character, and lying to the people is a lack of character. If he will deliberately lie to hide what must be hidden in order to be president, he’ll lie again to cover his tracks, and lie again to keep his power. Isn’t that what liberals say about Nixon???
As to what caused him to lie, who cares???
As to what causes him to have an affair, and to father a child???
That’s easy: STUPIDITY!!!
There is no cure from outside a person’s mind for stupidity. So, what caused this is not something any of us need consider.
However, I am very sad that he didn’t get farther into the nomination process, such as to right about now, just before the convention, where this would have broken about now, and totally destroyed the Democrat Convention.
I don’t want to see any person’s life destroyed by fate. I don’t care if a person, however, destroys their own life by STUPIDITY.
reff (b68a4f) — 8/10/2008 @ 2:34 pm#75 Danny Vice-
Print media says “Not running for anything.” Yes, but…..Edwards was mentioned as a strong choice for Obama AG and even SCOTUS. The latter would give him a lifetime appointment as a far left associate justice; the former enormous control over the Justice Dept. The Justice Dept./FBI might want to look into the potential financial web of deception here.
Vice as in Latin I conquered? Wee-key
Nobama! 2008
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/10/2008 @ 2:35 pmHere the swift-boat boys are asking Rielle Hunter to take a one-week all expense paid vacation with a guaranteed press junket for $1 million. Where? Denver
Mike (db8692) — 8/10/2008 @ 2:37 pmYou are getting mixed up…My comment which you were responding to was not about Edwards.
Comment by love2008 — 8/10/2008 @ 2:31 pm
Yes it was: sorry if I wasn’t clear enough in my posts. My comments # 71 and 76 are both in response to your comment #66.
no one you know (1ebbb1) — 8/10/2008 @ 2:38 pmTo make it even more clear: the points I was addressing about judging actions appeared in both my comments (71 and 76) and were both in response to your comment 66. Only bring this up because am very interested in what your response would be.
no one you know (1ebbb1) — 8/10/2008 @ 2:43 pm#74 – love2008
Before taking sides as you republicans are wont to do, did you try to look at the other side of the issue and see what led to it?
— 1) Do you mean “before taking sides” on whether or not infidelity is morally wrong? 2) As I’ve told you several times before, I am not a Republican! Unless you meant to spell it with a small “r”; in which case, as a good American and proud defender of the Constitution, I am a republican.
He is your republican clone-brother.
— Who is? Edwards? What does that even mean? Once upon a time McCain cheated, so it isn’t right for me to criticize Edwards?
You insult and annoy people, just to hide your insecurity.
— I’m a bully am I. Sorry, that simplistic assessment doesn’t wash. Are you pissed because I gave you a hard time for not knowing who “Ike” was? I wrote (paraphrasing) ‘Ike was better than any Dem President of the 20th Century’; you responded ‘Who was “Ike”?’ If you had typed “President Ike” in your Google (or “Who was ‘Ike’?” at Ask.com) before responding to me, then myself and others would’ve had no reason to jump on you about it.
And when the person fires back, you take a moral stand.
Icy Truth (d05099) — 8/10/2008 @ 2:51 pm— I can’t take criticism? Sure I can, unless it contains a factual falsehood. Care to direct me to a post where I did what you are alleging?
#86
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/10/2008 @ 3:50 pmFirst of all Icy, the comment you just dissected above has nothing to do with John Edwards. It is about your taking sides with Daley and saying what you said in comment #72 My reaction which you were responding to was about Daleyrocks’ comment #67….Oh never mind!
Lovey, it’s great that you are all about the ROOT CAUSES of Edwards’ infidelity.
Were you also all about the ROOT CAUSES of 9/11 like so many other liberals or were you a Truther from the start?
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/10/2008 @ 4:23 pm#88
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/10/2008 @ 4:39 pmHow stupid can you really get? How do you in your mind compare a domestic, personal, marital misconduct with 9/11? You are really beginning to disappoint me. And I used to count you among the brightest here.
*sigh*
no one you know (1ebbb1) — 8/10/2008 @ 4:42 pmLovey once again slicing like a hammer.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/10/2008 @ 4:43 pmLovey can split atoms, with her mind. I’ve seen her do it.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/10/2008 @ 4:45 pmIf Obama is David then Edwards could be Sampson. You know, the hair and all. And he did battle the
nk (e38352) — 8/10/2008 @ 4:58 pminsurance companiesusing the jawbone of an ass — his.*
nk (e38352) — 8/10/2008 @ 4:59 pminsurance companiesPhilistines*#93
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/10/2008 @ 5:21 pmThat would make John McCain Saul. You know, the one that kept trying to use his spear (negative ads) to pin David (Obama) to the wall. And kept missing.
I believe Bill Clinton would be Saul, love2008. Both in your sense of the term (you do know that Obama’s biggest rivals are the Clintons, don’t you?) and in the “other” sense of misuse of his “spear”.
nk (e38352) — 8/10/2008 @ 5:27 pm#96
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/10/2008 @ 5:33 pmI guess you are right. But where would you fix Hillary? I know! Hillary could be the spear.
Women are good for only one thing in the Old Testament.
nk (e38352) — 8/10/2008 @ 5:46 pmWell, there was the lady with the tentpeg. So … mostly good for only one thing.
nk (e38352) — 8/10/2008 @ 5:49 pm#98
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/10/2008 @ 5:58 pmWomen are good for only one thing in the Old Testament.
Yeah. Pinning men down.
#98
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/10/2008 @ 6:04 pmWomen are good for only one thing in the Old Testament.
Yeah. Pinning men down!
Feeling jaded, love?
Icy Truth (d05099) — 8/10/2008 @ 6:07 pm#102
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/10/2008 @ 6:25 pmWhy so Icy? Did I betray it in any way?
I was trying to be sympathetic. I know whereof you vent.
Icy Truth (d05099) — 8/10/2008 @ 6:33 pmWhat about you Icy?
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/10/2008 @ 6:38 pmTalk about going off-topic. I said “I know”; that’s going to have to be the limit of it.
Icy Truth (d05099) — 8/10/2008 @ 6:50 pmNo offense to our hosts, but I find my fellow commenters here more interesting than Edwards and Hunter.
nk (e38352) — 8/10/2008 @ 6:56 pmnk- That is one of the many reasons why this place is so fun.
JD (5f0e11) — 8/10/2008 @ 7:11 pm#106
that’s going to have to be the limit of it.
Limit of what my comrade? What are you trying to hide? Come on, break the ICE, Icy.
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/10/2008 @ 7:21 pm#109 – Sorry, Charlie. I said that I can relate to you saying that women are good for “pinning men down”. As for details, let your imagination go wild. I’m not going to . . . uh, excuse me a moment . . .
Hey, JD — Voyeurist!
. . . dish out the details of my life. I’ve already given out more personal data than most of the posters here.
Icy Truth (d05099) — 8/10/2008 @ 7:46 pmCan’t wait for the dirt to come out on John McCAIN and his first “model” wife who was disabled from a car accident. John threw her overweight, limping body overboard once he met the young babe Cindy at a cocktail party.
Who needs soap operas? Just watch the national news.
peachtree321 (a1a3f1) — 8/10/2008 @ 8:16 pmAnd what do you expect to come out that isn’t already known and acknowledged? Just another moral-equivalency apologist for John Edwards with no shame or intelligence. Pathetic.
Stashiu3 (460dc1) — 8/10/2008 @ 8:21 pmMs. Mc Cain the ex gave Senator McCain $750 in March of 2008
SteveG (71dc6f) — 8/10/2008 @ 8:22 pmpeach must have fallen from a tree and landed on its head.
JD (5f0e11) — 8/10/2008 @ 8:22 pmI think peach is another drive by turd dropper.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/10/2008 @ 8:25 pm#11 No need for any real dirt to come out as your dog trainer paper of record NY Times will just make up dirt out of thin air. Remind us once again of the Keating Five affair, why don’t you? Nevermind that McCain was merely censured for being careless and not in same guilt culpability as the other four (dems). Google it.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/10/2008 @ 8:30 pmMcCain’s alleged mixed-breed bastard prodigy was actually adopted by Cindy from Bangladesh and otherwise would have likely perished even if then under the care of Mother Teresa’s nuns.
And as far as cheating goes (and even manslaughter) it is fine if performed by a liberal lion who tirelessly fights for the underdog. Why, lib media tells us that if Mary Jo Kopechne were alive today at age 64 instead of left to drown nearly forty years ago, she would praise all that Fat Teddy has down to make her life as an elderly woman so much easier.
As SteveG reminds us, despite whatever did or did not happen between them, Carol McCain (yes, she does have a first name) supports her ex-husband’s presidential bid. The one thing she has never done — over the course of the last thirty years — to the best of my knowledge, is cover for him or excuse his behavior. She supports him, warts and all.
Elizabeth Edwards deliberately kept quiet for the sake of what — her family’s pride and privacy? That would be understandable if her husband wasn’t running for POTUS at the same time. By not insisting that he come clean she is “guilty” of conspiring to keep pertinent info from the voting public. IMHO, she should have told him not to run. The hubris, the blind faith to believe that he alone, out of some 150 million or so adults between the ages of 35 & 75, was the only one (or the best one) to become POTUS . . . or maybe it was more basic: whatever brings the least amount of embarrassment to the family. Maybe she thought that the campaign would somehow draw the spotlight toward him alone? [Okay, I don’t believe it either.] Maybe she thought “if Bill can get away with it” . . . I don’t know; no matter how you slice it the main effect seems to be preserving John’s career.
Icy Truth (d05099) — 8/10/2008 @ 9:07 pmIcy – We’re still assuming John and Elizabeth are telling the truth when they said they discussed the relationship in 2006. I’m not totally sold on that given Silky’s mendacity.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/10/2008 @ 9:16 pmI can’t see her tolerating him lying about that. In spite of the cancer I see her being at least that strong.
Icy Truth (d05099) — 8/10/2008 @ 10:27 pmJohn Edwards’ had an affair and I do not condone that kind of foolishness. I was reading some of these comments and what in the hell does Barack Obama have anything to do with this. He is irrelevant to this case. You all are trying everything, say anything, or do anything y’all can to discredit this man from one end to another.
tyrone thrower (d671ab) — 8/16/2008 @ 7:19 pmtyrone, you obviously did not read the comments.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/16/2008 @ 7:23 pm