He denies the child is his. Read about it here.
In a quote I just made up, L.A. Times editor Russ Stanton said: “We still haven’t been able to confirm this story independently, but John Edwards’s admission that it is true goes a long way towards convincing us to reassign reporters to look into the allegations. We hope to have a story sometime in the next several months.”
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Obviously, it was Bush’s fault.
Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 8/8/2008 @ 12:57 pmYour fictitious quote should read “reassign a reporter.” heh.
G (722480) — 8/8/2008 @ 12:58 pmYou got it exactly right, Patterico. By doing everything they could to try to ignore or bury the story the LAT put themselves to the back of the line in terms of covering it. Tomorrow’s headline: National Enquirer Gets something Right. Who Knew?
Icy Truth (db73ab) — 8/8/2008 @ 12:59 pmBTW, to all of the doubters:
I TOLD YOU SO!!!
. . . so sorry for the lack of decorum.
Icy Truth (db73ab) — 8/8/2008 @ 1:04 pmByron York points out that the story is everywhere now (LAT, NYT, WaPo).
‘For all those reporters who have suddenly become interested in Edwards: It’s a money story now.’
Of course.
Dana (b4a26c) — 8/8/2008 @ 1:11 pmSo Edwards admits he cheated and lied but claims the child he visited isn’t his? That doesn’t sound like a winning defense.
DRJ (8b9d41) — 8/8/2008 @ 1:14 pmDid he break off the affair with the woman he didn’t love before or after he launched his campaign?
billc (8dc4fc) — 8/8/2008 @ 1:18 pmHe should take a paternity test. If it shows he must have been the daddy, he can claim the DNA could have matched someone else’s or that the sample was tainted. I’m surprised the Clinonistas didn’t question the validity of the stain on the blue dress.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/8/2008 @ 1:22 pmSo when does Edwards really tell the truth? Did he really channel dead kids? Which part of two Americas does he belong in?
Recall there were stories that Clinton had a love child, but nothing ever came of the story? And of course Jesse Jackson had his love child in background while counseling Clinton.
One of the howlers from Daily Kos in regard to Edwards’ confession, “He makes mistakes, too. KUDOS to him for owning up to it.” True, dat.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/8/2008 @ 1:29 pmAll the earlier deceptions mean nothing.
What do love, Levi and the rest of the obama apologists think?
At least he still has that magnificent hair. The Breck Girl still lives!
Dmac (874677) — 8/8/2008 @ 1:30 pmYeah, but dingoes did not eat my alien love baby so the Enquirer does not get everything right!
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/8/2008 @ 1:34 pmWell, Elizabeth knew her cancer had returned in March of 2007. The baby was born in late February of 2008.
If the baby is Edwards (a point I carefully refrain from making), then it sure as hell was conceived after the news of the cancer’s return, and every single one of the liberals who were denying this “because it’s the National Enquirer” owes Elizabeth Edwards an apology, not to mention losing what little credibility they might have had remaining.
If it isn’t (and a simple paternity test that costs less than a day’s worth of utilities at that “Two Americas Mansion” will prove it, either way), then he has gone a LONG way out of his way to make it look like it, for no good reason.
Drumwaster (5ccf59) — 8/8/2008 @ 1:35 pm#11 J. Levine has the post about how NE is dissed after so many news scoops.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/8/2008 @ 1:38 pmYou’ll recall the anthrax mailing after sept 11. I wonder did anyone do any in-depth investigation into why NE received anthrax mailings? The condemned building is only a few miles from me. I guess even NE could not discover anything concrete.
We love Justin levine, but please tell him how to open comments! š
I’ve got to agree with DRJ: why would he visit this lady, with whom he supposedl;y broke off the affair, after she had had another one with Andrew Young, and then lie about it? Everything works out so wrongly here.
You just don’t sneak away to visit women with whom you’ve had an affair but broken it off, unless you have some remaining interest there. That’s just plain stupid.
Dana R Pico (3e4784) — 8/8/2008 @ 1:50 pmMaybe he and John McCain can swap notes on what it’s like to cheat on your sick wife.
Smedley (444e9b) — 8/8/2008 @ 1:51 pm“Our reporting staff will be assigned to a strategic over-the-horizon quick-response redeployment in Okinawa…”
PCachu (e072b7) — 8/8/2008 @ 1:52 pmI would not have thought it possible for John Edwards to make a bigger jerk of himself than he already has, but silly me, obviously I’ve misunderestimated the man.
Edwards admits to the affair but denies he’s the daddy. He better be right. Anyone who’s verity has suffered so throughly and so recently can’t really expect to be taken at his word.
If Edwards puts his wife in front of the TV cameras to lie for him now I don’t know how he’ll ever be able to show his face in public again. But, he’s a Democrat, so you never know, stranger things have happened.
Ropelight (cb4838) — 8/8/2008 @ 1:57 pmThe more withering revelation would be if it emerges that he was told he could keep a role in the convention by coming clean now.
steve (6830b3) — 8/8/2008 @ 2:29 pmYikes, this is a strange line in the Edwards official statement. There must be 5,000,000 babies in the US. That’s going to be tedious to do tests to prove he is not the father of any of them.
Wesson (f6c982) — 8/8/2008 @ 2:32 pmI am and have been willing to take any test necessary to establish the fact that I am not the father of any baby
I just heard what Edwards had to say. He’s really, really, sorry he got caught. If it wasn’t for those darn supermarket tabloids he would have gotten clean away with it. Anyway, it’s between him and his wife and family, so the rest of you long-nose busy bodies can just butt out. Now go away and mind your own bees wax.
That’s all, and since he’s now revealed everything anyone could possibly ever want to know about his personal and private business, he will have nothing more to say on this topic, so don’t bother asking any more questions because his wife is ill and this sort of thing upsets her.
Ropelight (cb4838) — 8/8/2008 @ 2:37 pmLong ago (was it last year?) this blog stated that a rumor was being circulated about a leading Presidential candidate (so-called) having an affair. Supposedly “everyone” knew about the affair but nobody was willing to talk about it openly. To this, Patterico pretty much shrugged and said, “I don’t know any more than you guys do.”
Can we assume now that the Reile Hunter affair was what they were referring to?
DubiousD (d27564) — 8/8/2008 @ 2:41 pm“Edwards admits to the affair but denies heās the daddy. He better be right.”
If he’s lying, it’s either a sign of a mental breakdown, or an astoundingly ballsy bluff.
gp (78ea4b) — 8/8/2008 @ 2:55 pmIs Edwards so adamant about this baby because he knows his baby was aborted? Just Asking!
Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 8/8/2008 @ 3:02 pm“Can we assume now that the Reile Hunter affair was what they were referring to?”
I thought that was Senator Clinton and Huma Abedin? Speaking of which, the Clinton campaign internal emails are going to provide loads of fun. Such lovely people.
Rick Ballard (0a8990) — 8/8/2008 @ 3:14 pmActually it’s all Ann Coulter’s fault. He was determined to prove that he wasn’t a faggot.
Here’s what Edwards SHOULD have said.
Meanwhile, I very much doubt Pattoricans would appreciate my pointing out that John McCain also cheated on a wife with cancer.
The fact that he dovorced said wife and married his “correspondent” makes things OK for your guys I’m sure.
David Ehrenstein (21c975) — 8/8/2008 @ 3:28 pmI think it is.
Both times the LAT was ADAMANT about NOT saying a single solitary word about the story…
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 8/8/2008 @ 3:35 pmHow about showing some compassionate conservative empathy for this poor man? How do we not know that Karl Rove pulled some dirty tricks to bring down Edwards. The whole amateur film maker/temptress thing might well have been a setup.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/8/2008 @ 3:39 pmAs Althouse blog points out, the mistress could have taken some of John’s sperm from a fridge and impregnated herself. Such was the paternity defense of law professor Jack Rappeport. He claimed his cleaning stole his jam to make a child. I’m sure John Edwards would not have been so stupid as to not practice safe sex. He really, really cares about his sick wife and never loved that trollop. Beware of women scorned. Plenty of women must throw themselves at a man with beautiful hair and oodles of money.
I know Edwards’ aide Andrew Young is not the geezer civil rights dude. Is it true that the man admitting paternity in this instance is an African-American? how did the child turn out to look so much Caucasian? Recessive genes?
In any case, it is a laugh riot that the NY Slimes can have a front page story about McCain’s imaginary affair with a lobbyist and won’t touch a story about a real affair of the former candidate for VP.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/8/2008 @ 3:52 pmWas Edwards drilling “on shore” or “off shore?”
Perfect Sense (9d1b08) — 8/8/2008 @ 3:56 pm#11 –
The point isn’t that they don’t get everything right. The point is that they don’t get everything wrong.
Icy Truth (c1347d) — 8/8/2008 @ 3:58 pm“99 percent honest” is going to become one of those immortal lines of political lore, along with “I did not have sex with that woman” and “Follow me around — you’ll be bored.”
Bradley J. Fikes (3c9ee6) — 8/8/2008 @ 4:03 pmAh, Gary Hart. It’s like all of these guys have a congenital need to emulate JFK.
Icy Truth (c1347d) — 8/8/2008 @ 4:07 pmDavid #25,
That’s “co-respondent”.
nk (e38352) — 8/8/2008 @ 4:08 pmAnd I want to see a copy of your deferment as a conscientious objector in the sexual revolution. š
nk (e38352) — 8/8/2008 @ 4:14 pm#25 – Actually itās all Ann Coulterās fault. He was determined to prove that he wasnāt a faggot.
— So he proves that he isn’t a faggot by admitting that he’s a piece of shit?
Only a Liberal trial lawyer (pre-apologies to anyone who takes offense) would see that as a net gain.
Icy Truth (c1347d) — 8/8/2008 @ 4:21 pmIcy Truth,
Bradley J. Fikes (3c9ee6) — 8/8/2008 @ 4:24 pmPlease don’t feed the troll.
You want to see my 4F nk? Maybe I shoudl put it up on line. I always carry it in my wallet.
And I’m not a liberal lawyer, Icy. Just a darkly amused citizen. The world is going to hell in a handbasket and THIS is what we’re all supposed to care about!
David Ehrenstein (21c975) — 8/8/2008 @ 4:32 pm#25 – Meanwhile, I very much doubt Pattoricans would appreciate my pointing out that John McCain also cheated on a wife with cancer.
— 1) That’s Patterico’s Pontificators to you; Pattoricans sounds too ethnic. š 2) McCain’s first wife did not have cancer. Also, that was 29 years ago and she is still alive; Elizabeth Edwards may not live 9 more months. 3) Do you think that what Edwards did is acceptable? This thread is about him; try to limit the discussion to him.
Icy Truth (c1347d) — 8/8/2008 @ 4:32 pmBradley J. Fikes –
Whoops! Too late.
Icy Truth (c1347d) — 8/8/2008 @ 4:33 pmāHe makes mistakes, too. KUDOS to him for owning up to it.ā True, dat.”
Oh please! He didn’t own up to it – He. Got. Caught. He knew it was going to come out and he was backed into a corner. He had no choice. This is not owning up.
Owning up is being man enough to confess it before getting caught because its the right thing to do, and because one’s guilty conscience won’t let them continue to live a lie.
Dana (254946) — 8/8/2008 @ 5:02 pmDana #39 – On the nose.
Apogee (366e8b) — 8/8/2008 @ 5:18 pmIts worth reading Elizabeth Edwards’ statement. She eloquently reveals that they have been working through this painful moment in their marriage, privately, since 2006. None can argue with the obvious devastation it caused and the immense and unimaginably hard work they must have undertaken to find a place of forgiveness while making the decision to remain married. I would never presume to make a judgement on their personal pain and subsequent handling of it. I can only admire those who can press on in love and perservere.
Unfortunately, he was not a private citizen, and because of the level of trust he expected the public to have in his character and judgment as well as the lies, extracts a much higher price.
It would seem to that there are far more important matters for him to attend to. The American public will survive quite nicely without his public participation. His family, however, will not. I hope he makes the wisest choice of all now.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Elizabeths_statement_Stop_the_voyeurism.html
Dana (254946) — 8/8/2008 @ 5:38 pm“I am proud of the courage John has shown in being honest in the face of shame.” – Elizabeth Edwards
Icy Truth (c1347d) — 8/8/2008 @ 5:39 pm#41 Dana – thanks for linking that.
no one you know (1ebbb1) — 8/8/2008 @ 5:48 pmI feel sorry for Elizabeth Edwards but not so sorry that I swallow her statement hook, line and sinker. If she has known about her husband’s affair for 2+ years, she should have counseled him to refuse comment rather than lie about it. And if she didn’t know until recently, she shouldn’t imply otherwise to give him cover.
DRJ (9d1be2) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:10 pmWhile it is easy to respect Elizabeth Edwards’ opinion about how some sensationalism and profit motive have created this firestorm, I have no respect for her concern now about her family when the truth two years ago would have eliminated all this pain for her now. Her complicity in hiding her husband’s affair while he ran for president eliminates all credit for her on this point.
It is obvious that she is complicit in his lies, therefore, she also is a liar.
There is no courage in lying. Only shame.
reff (b68a4f) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:14 pmI am glad I didn’t see DRJ’s comment as I was typing, but, as usual, she can say it better than most….
reff (b68a4f) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:15 pmThe sad thing is that she apparently felt it was more important for him to become President than for him to be honest. The ‘whatever-it-takes-to-win’ philosophy.
Icy Truth (c1347d) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:18 pm#9
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:24 pmWhat do love, Levi and the rest of the obama apologists think?
What has Obama got to do this madmax666?
I agree – her complicity is completely shameless, they’ve got nothing to complain about regarding media intrusions into their privacy at this point. She was far out in front of his Presidential campaign, appearing relentlessly on every campaign stop on the tour – and all of it was based on a blatant lie.
And on another front – if she apparently didn’t know about his latest visits to the hotel room, what does that say about their entire marriage at this point? I’m very sad about her current medical condition, but that does not negate her amorality in this matter.
Dmac (874677) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:27 pmIts less important to me what Elizabeth Edwards said or did. Spouses, even wronged ones, are notoriously loyal to their spouses, especially wives. Its not surprising. That she had her own ambition and drive to see her husband in office is without question, as is her complicity to some degree.
But the buck stopped (or should have) with John Edwards. He is the one that publicly lied, repeatedly. No one forced him to, not even Elizabeth. He alone chose to because he believed we needed him that much. He just didn’t realize that he wasn’t the messiah the Dems had been waiting for.
Dana (254946) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:30 pmBut that’s just it: they both knew that he was lying through his scummy teeth, and they both knew that, by running for president, they put the possibility of exposure in the public domain.
After Donna Rice and Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky, how anyone could think that this bovine feces could stay quiet is beyond me.
The Lewinsky situation is instructive. It was just two people, locked in a private room, no witnesses and no reporters to trail them anywhere, and it still couldn’t stay a secret.
Senator John Edwards, February 12, 1999, concerning the Lewinsky affair:
Dana R Pico (556f76) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:33 pmDo you think Woodruff asked Edwards if he got any on his visit to Hunter in her LA hotel room?
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:33 pmI am beginning to think that this scandal may have contributed to the early withdrawal of John Edwards from the race. His campaigning didn’t quite have that bite and tenacity to it. He was too reconciliatory and generally laid back about his candidacy. When you have a skeleton in your cupboard, trying to stick out, it’s hard to really fight with confidence and resolve. He may have known about this scandal, that it was going to blow up sooner or later. He quit too early, now I know why.
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:34 pmMy second favorite line so far – (paraphrase) I was far too arrogant to think I could do this. So, I need to put this all out there and get it behind me, so I can help those who need my help.
Simply breathtaking.
Ed (841b4a) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:38 pm“I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen.”
Wow. Just wow.
Dana (254946) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:38 pmHey, isn’t it time we review the constitution as regarding marital responsibilities of public office holders? Shouldn’t they be judged by a different rule? Maybe a public office holder can be allowed to marry more than one wife or keep some concubines by the side. This will spare us this shame. A President could be allowed to have ten wives and twenty concubines, you know, like an African King or something. A Governor, maybe, say 5 wives and 10 concubines. An on and on down the ladder. š (Ducks..)
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:46 pmElizabeth Edwards and Teresa Heinz Kerry on 60 Minutes regarding their husbands in 2004:
Leslie Stahl then asked Teresa Heinz Kerry why she called the Democratic running mates “The Johnnys Be Good,” at a rally Saturday in Raleigh, N.C.
“That’s a song, āOh, Johnny Be Good,’ and they will be good if Elizabeth and I have anything to do with it,” says Teresa Heinz Kerry, who adds that it’s also important for them to keep their husbands honest.
“Honest means keep true to yourself, because there’s so many people around anyone in power that inflate their egos, or try to destroy them for that matter. And I think it’s the person that knows them best that has to stand by them and keep them whole. Sometimes it’s to keep the ego down, sometimes it’s to bolster it up, but that’s what a good spouse has to do.”
“You know, when an aide leaves the room after telling him he was terrific, to say that, you know, that really wasn’t actually your best job you ever did,” adds Elizabeth Edwards. “Or, if you’re talking about things the Republicans might say, somebody says something and you say, āDon’t give it a second thought.'”
“It’s a very healthy thing to have somebody that is the love of your life, that you trust as your life partner to say that to you,” says Edwards. “It’s a very good thing.”
I feel for Elizabeth Edwards, not just for what she is going through regarding her health, but also the timing of this scandal, which doesn’t actually have much to do with anything substantive regarding economic or policy issues. It is voyeurism on the part of the populace towards a public figure, and really isn’t important in the big picture.
However, for her to request privacy for her family only during the hard times is, unfortunately for her, not the way this particular game is played. She embraced media exposure to further her husband’s political career, and it doesn’t just shut off at your request.
Apogee (366e8b) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:50 pm“He quit too early, now I know why.”
Lovey – I disagree. He was just another empty suit candidate who peaked too early. He was a one term senator who would not have been reelected in his own state had he run again, from all reports. The contradictions between his private life, the wealth, working for a hedge fund that invested in subprime motgages, building a 25,000 sq. ft. mansion in the middle of the campaign, and the public persona he tried to craft were just dazzling, hypocritical, and unbelievable to all but the most brain damaged liberals. It’s almost like believing Al Gore wants to save the planet instead of make money off the global warming hype.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:55 pmHey, isnāt it time we review the constitution as regarding marital responsibilities of public office holders? Shouldnāt they be judged by a different rule? Maybe a public office holder can be allowed to marry more than one wife or keep some concubines by the side. This will spare us this shame. A President could be allowed to have ten wives and twenty concubines, you know, like an African King or something. A Governor, maybe, say 5 wives and 10 concubines. An on and on down the ladder. (Ducks..)
Because, of course (all due respect to love2008), public office is about being served, not about serving…
Yes, I know love2008 was joking. Still, it’s just so thoroughly…disheartening, how much these people think they’re entitled to at the expense of everyone around them.
no one you know (1ebbb1) — 8/8/2008 @ 6:58 pm#59
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:03 pmNow I get it. Every Democratic candidate is an “empty suit” and the Reps are…..? Remind me but who is presently presiding over the seat of power? Turning out to be the most unpopular President in recent history? Or yes. Another Democrat. Nice reasoning Daley.
Lovey @ 61- List the past several Republican candidates for President with a similar lack of public service for me please. I’m sure there are some, but I need some reminding. Poke some holes in the actual comment with substance not snark Lovey.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:09 pmOh, no. Kerry wasn’t an empty suit. He’s a suit full of haughty dipshit.
Pablo (99243e) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:13 pm#63
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:19 pmI have a better idea Daley. Why don’t you give me a long list of qualified, experienced Republican past
Presidents that did exceptionally well for America. Without scandal or bad decisions that did hurt Americans. Include also those who left America in a sound place, economically and otherwise.
I am not saying there aren’t, just need some reminding.
I wonder who the Enquirer’s insider snitch might be. The advance info has been spot on, and with pictures of proud pappa yet. My guess is little Ms Momma Hunter, or it could be Slick Willy, or even the beard’s wife. It’s someone close, well established in the inner circle.
Ropelight (cb4838) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:20 pmlove2008 is waiting for a passage from the Qur’an, so here goes:
[4:24] Also prohibited are the women who are already married, unless they flee their disbelieving husbands who are at war with you. These are GOD’s commandments to you. All other categories are permitted for you in marriage, so long as you pay them their due dowries. You shall maintain your morality, by not committing adultery. Thus, whoever you like among them, you shall pay them the dowry decreed for them. You commit no error by mutually agreeing to any adjustments to the dowry. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.
— Looks like he covered himself by paying her off, albeit through a third party.
Icy Truth (c1347d) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:22 pm#66
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:26 pmInfidel! š
Lovey – The subject is your dislike of me calling democrat candidates empty suits. You suggested I was doing it merely because of their party. I explained my rationale and challenged you to find some republican empty suits.
Now you run away from the argument you started by changing the subject. No thanks loser.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:26 pmLovey – Why did that preening peacock, empty suit candidate Edwards visit Hunter in the hotel room in LA? That’s why I asked my 53. If he’s denying paternity, why was he there? Was it just a booty call?
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:30 pm#68
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:33 pmLet me get you clearly Daley. Are you really saying there are know:
(1) Republican empty suits. And
(2) Qualified Democrats?
Who is really the “loser” here?
#70
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:36 pm“know” in comment #70 should be “no”
#64 – Why donāt you give me a long list of qualified, experienced Republican past
Presidents that did exceptionally well for America.
Dwight David Eisenhower; Ronald Wilson Reagan
Without scandal or bad decisions that did hurt Americans
— Name one President ever that served at least 4 years and had no problems whatsoever. The Liberal obsession with obtaining a pie-in-the-sky imaginary Utopia continues. We look for people that do more good than harm; that is all that a realistic person can hope for.
Icy Truth (c1347d) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:38 pm#69
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:42 pmI have no respect for any Presidential candidate who cheats on his sick wife. Though I feel pity for them. They are highly delusional and need a shrink. I am no fan of Edwards’ either.
#72
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:46 pmWe look for people that do more good than harm; that is all that a realistic person can hope for.
I rest my case Icy. But you are still an infidel!
I think the bigger issue here is the mendacity of the mainstream media.
Edwards’ career is finished, but the LAT and NYT continue to mislead the public and thus to hurt democracy.
Evil Pundit (646727) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:47 pmI’m pretty sure that quoting the Qur’an word for word, in context, is allowed. Hold on while I fly out to Hawaii and consult with the man who grew up studying it. . . .
Icy Truth (c1347d) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:53 pmLovey you doorknob – You are being deliberately obtuse today. Your #70 is idiotic. Please point out where I said there were no republican empty suits and all democrats were empty suits and reread my #68 and get me a juice box while you’re at it. Your inability to defend your candidates on their merits is not my problem.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:57 pm#75, click over to Top of the Ticket and peruse the comments. Quite a number appear to be far more focused on the failures of the MSM, especially the LAT, as well as a number of swipes at them for being scooped by Nat’l Enq… The emperor has no clothes…
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/john-edwards-af.html
Dana (254946) — 8/8/2008 @ 7:57 pm“I think the bigger issue here is the mendacity of the mainstream media.”
Evil – But there is no liberal media, that is just a myth concocted by warmongering, imperialistic, xtian, neocons who have given us the worst presidency in the history of the country.
How’d I do?
This just gives us an excuse to raise more questions about John McCain’s infidelities to his first wife thirty years ago which he doesn’t lie about. Nothing like 30 tear old current events, eh?
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/8/2008 @ 8:03 pm#76
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/8/2008 @ 8:04 pmHey, Infidel, what does the Koran say about this scandal? What does it say about John Edwards’ actions? A quote to buttress your point will be appropriate. š
#49 love666 your obambi was strongly considering Edwards as AG. Also he’s been in running for vice president slot. Anyway you are liberal apologist and I expect you might bring up McCain or Gingrich to deflect the focus from Edwards.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/8/2008 @ 8:19 pm#78 — Thanks for that link!
Evil Pundit (646727) — 8/8/2008 @ 8:20 pmGee whiz, the New York Times is addressing the lack of interest shown by the MSM.
Oddly, Phil Bronstein, former editor of the SF Chronicle comments,
“On Friday, Phil Bronstein, the former editor of The San Francisco Chronicle, in his blog on that paperās Web site, poked fun at the reticence of the mainstream media, āpicking at it with their noses held, as if looking for something valuable in a moldy dumpster.ā
āOn journalism sites, the finger-pointing, self-loathing, self-righteousness and tut-tutting was massive,ā he wrote. āDoes anyone really think that a story splashed in the tabs and debated on blogs like a powerful fire backdraft is somehow not part of the public discourse?ā
Of course the issue of a pervasive media bias is not addressed but that is to be expected.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/business/media/09media.html
Dana (254946) — 8/8/2008 @ 8:27 pm— Six degrees of separation? or is it universal applicability? From “An Authorized English Version of The Glorious Quran, Translated from the original by Dr. Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D.”:
[58:2] Those among you who estrange their wives (by declaring them as forbidden in sex) as their mothers know full well that they are not their mothers. Their mothers are the women who gave birth to them. Indeed, they are committing a blasphemy and a falsehood. GOD is Pardoner, Forgiver.
Icy Truth (c1347d) — 8/8/2008 @ 8:29 pm[58:3] Those who estrange their wives in this manner, then reconcile thereafter, shall atone by freeing a slave before resuming their sexual relations. This is to enlighten you. GOD is Cognizant of everything you do.
[58:4] If you cannot find a slave to free, you shall fast two consecutive months before resuming sexual relations. If you cannot fast, then you shall feed sixty poor people. [Right up the Silk Pony’s alley!] You shall believe in GOD and His messenger. These are GOD’s laws. The disbelievers have incurred a painful retribution.
[58:5] Surely, those who fight GOD and His messenger are committed to defeat, [Now we know why he got slaughtered in the primaries] like their previous counterparts were committed to defeat. [Gary Hart, anyone?] We have sent down clear proofs, and the rejectors have incurred a shameful retribution.
[58:6] The day will come when GOD will resurrect them all, then inform them of everything they had done. GOD has recorded everything, while they have forgotten it. GOD [and the Enquirer] witnesses all things.
#79
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/8/2008 @ 8:30 pmLike I said, no one is perfect. Neither John Edwards nor John McCain. I liked his (McCain’s) answer when asked about this Edwards’ scandal. “No comment.” Smart man that John McCain fellow.
Two hours until Nightline. Time to prepare the popcorn popper!
Icy Truth (c1347d) — 8/8/2008 @ 8:32 pmHey, Y’all! Guess who this hurts most? Not Obama you Obamaphobes! This hurts John McCain more. The more this issue is talked about, you know, politicians who cheat on their sick wives, the more the spot light will be thrown on that ugly part of McCain’s indiscretion. You know what… This hurts McCain more. John Edwards is not running for office. So the sooner we let this matter go and move on the better for us all. So lets join John McCain to say about this scandal, “No Comment”
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/8/2008 @ 8:45 pm#87 you refuse to address what this story says about obama’s judgment vis a vis the potential for naming Edwards to Attorney General and thus chief law official of the US. McCain was a private citizen those many years ago, young and having only been with the wife a year before his 5.5 years in Hanoi Hilton being brutally tortured.
Meanwhile your nwa boy admitted he was using cocaine in HIS youth. Looks like McCain matured. He was not considered a corrupt pol in the Keating 5 scandal. You have no problem with Obambi taking $$ shortcuts to attain his mansion, associating closely with known unrepentant terrorists and racist preachers for decades.
I could an Obama administration being the most corrupt in history if you consider the scum pulling his strings and whom he is beholding to.
J. Edwards is just another sleazy ambulance chaser who lives high on the hog and judges others as lacking. Looks like he got part of his due, but no doubt some publisher will fork over millions for a tell-all book of lies, similar to Hillary’s or Bill’s.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/8/2008 @ 9:05 pm“In the course of several campaigns, I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic.”
Who does this sound like? Someone who designs their own presidential logo before they are elected? Someone who is the world’s hottest celebrity? Someone who believes a light will shine down and compel people to vote for him?
People are asking how this will affect the Messiah. Read the words of John Edwards and ask yourself if they seem to apply to Barack as well. Shouldn’t the media be asking some tough questions instead of staying in the tank for him?
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/8/2008 @ 9:15 pmdaleyrocks #89 – Good point. The credibility of the media is hurt more than Edwards, who at least in spinning and avoiding was trying to save his own ass. Not admirable, but understandable. What’s the MSM’s excuse?
Apogee (366e8b) — 8/8/2008 @ 9:27 pm#89 Don’t mess with Barack!
http://www.classicalvalues.com has a hilarious video of an obama worshipper. Who knows, it could even be the troll here from planet lovetron.
Amazing how I see people on left blogs deflecting Edwards’ actions by bringing up McCain when he wasn’t even a pol.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/8/2008 @ 9:30 pmAnyone aware of the rumor that Breck Girl was banging a woman in DC for five years while in Congress?
#80 – love2008
Hey, Infidel, what does the Koran say about this scandal? What does it say about John Edwardsā actions? A quote to buttress your point will be appropriate.
— Well? You threw down the gauntlet, I accepted and responded to the challenge (in #84). What is your response?
Did you really think I would wuss out?
Icy Truth (c1347d) — 8/9/2008 @ 2:05 amDana @ 83 is pitch perfect and spot on.
Hairist !
JD (5f0e11) — 8/9/2008 @ 3:47 am#88
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/9/2008 @ 5:59 amIn no way is this story about Obama’s judgment. He is human. How is he supposed to know the private business of everyone around him? Unless of course you Obamaphobes will find a way to tie him to anything. Yes, why don’t you blame him for every Republican sex scandal involving Rep. politicians. It’s not beneath you as you have shown on this blog madmax666 mark of the Beast!
Eisenhower warned us about “the military-industrial complex,” Icy. Obviously he was a communist, as the John Birch Society declared.
David Ehrenstein (21c975) — 8/9/2008 @ 6:12 amI can’t imagine why you’re singing his praises.
haha- you’d think with the law of averages alone, obama would have SOME people around him who were NOT right assholes. One can go down a whole laundry list of shady characters that Obama has in his inner circle. Of course many on the left do applaud asshats such as Rev. Wright, domestic terrorists ayers and dorhn, the whole black supremacy/new black power posse, crooked deal maker and indicted rezko, calypso louie farrakhan and many others. Just how many people has Obama already thrown under the bus’ wheels?
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/9/2008 @ 6:46 amAnd if you want to bring up McCain’s long ago, post-5 1/2 years of torture infidelity, let’s also mention Obama’s admitted cokehead tendencies back then plus he sets a poor example now for kids with that nicotine habit.
How does it feel to actually kiss up to the magic negro who can do no wrong in your eyes?
#95
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:05 amDo you really want to dig dirt on these politicians? Do you really want us to go there? It’s better to let sleeping dogs lie, madmax666 mark of the Beast.
If I were Elizabeth Edwards, suffering from incurable cancer, I’d buy a gun. Or hire a hitman.
Kate Coe (8af7f2) — 8/9/2008 @ 9:59 amNope- the sun should shine equally on all of them with no media reluctance, spin or cover-ups. Most people don’t even know that your boy snorted coke, for example. This Edwards thing would never have come out if ONE “sleazy tabloid” didn’t pursue the story.
Obama pretty much gets a pass on everything he has ever done. And tell me why he wouldn’t be deemed a pussy for refusing to debate McCain sand teleprompters on the “issues” you moonbats keeping yapping about?
BTW RIP Bernie Mac dead at 50 from pneumonia and who was publicly chastised by your saint’s campaign for his humor.
How much did dirty Papa Joe Kennedy do to ensure his son’s election in ’60 or cover up for Teddy’s shenanigans? Yet the Kennedys are seen as American Royalty by some, incapable of doing any wrong and supposedly great leaders. Papa Joe himself was a nazi sympathizer and ran illegal booze in from Canada plus screwed plenty of people with his shorting during Wall St. tailspin.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/9/2008 @ 10:36 amSo the old corrupt Chicago political machine under old now dead Daley managed to create magic votes for JFK to win Illinois and, unlike algore, nixon who was subjected to actual voting irregularities, did not bitch about it.
CNN posts a Wolf Blitzer interview with National Enquirer editor-in-chief David Perel. Perel says the National Enquirer’s source says that Rielle:
(1). “believes that [Edwards] is the father” and
(2). “says she never had a sexual relationship with [Edwards’ aide Andrew Young].”
Perel also added this new information:
Perel also confirmed the National Enquirer pays for stories and photos but only after they are confirmed to be true. While he won’t confirm payments in this case, he said we can assume they were made.
He also said there’s “more to come.”
DRJ (9d1be2) — 8/9/2008 @ 11:48 am#94…
love2008, Obama doesn’t even pay attention to the PUBLIC LIVES of the people he associates with, as shown by his relationships to all of the people he has had to throw under the bus, and to the terrorists he associates with, and the like. Forget the fact that he will raise taxes to the highest level in decades, and won’t be able to stand up to the pressures of meeting and dealing with foreign leaders because he can’t even deal with his own associates.
So, being able to get those he wants to choose to tell him the truth about their private lives, to protect his administration, will be impossible.
reff (b68a4f) — 8/9/2008 @ 12:20 pm#101
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/9/2008 @ 5:38 pmReff, now that you mention it, McCain has had his own share of bad friends. Racists, burglars and lobbyists.
There are other nasties, too. McCain is friends with G Gordon Liddy, one of the Watergate burglars. Liddy, who once plotted to kill a left-wing journalist, has hosted a fundraiser with McCain in his own home. McCain also endorsed and campaigned for Alabama politician George Wallace Jr in 2005, despite Wallace’s links to racist groups. Wallace has praised and spoken at meetings of the Council of Conservative Citizens, a white-power group that opposes inter-racial marriage and promotes white racial purity. If a moderate voter were seeking to judge a politician by the company he keeps, then McCain keeps some very odd company indeed.
What was he thinking?
love, do you really need me to school you on how Ike was a better President than any Dem during the 20th Century?
Icy Truth (a7ead4) — 8/9/2008 @ 5:50 pm#103
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/9/2008 @ 6:04 pmWho the heck is “Ike”?
Proof-positive that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Icy Truth (a7ead4) — 8/9/2008 @ 6:21 pmWow. Is Lovey for real?
Evil Pundit (646727) — 8/9/2008 @ 6:32 pmProbably thinks that John F. Kennedy and Jack Kennedy were brothers.
Icy Truth (a7ead4) — 8/9/2008 @ 6:57 pmLovey – Your 102 is interesting. Could you lay out Wallace’s connections to the CCC for us or did you just lift the talking point verbatim from somewhere? Is it anything more than giving a few speeches? Were the speeches themselves inflammatory? That’s pretty thin gruel you’re serving up kiddo.
Now if you want to compare that to being a member of a racist church for 20 years, then I think we could have a conversation.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:06 pm#104 Ike was the misogynist musician (Ike and Tina Turner) who abused Tina Turner. He was also Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in WWII and served two terms as President. Today he operates a pizza parlor in Abilene, Texas.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:23 pmmax – Didn’t they also name candy after him as well – Mike & Ike’s. I’m not sure who the Mike part is though.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:31 pm102…
Yeah…G. Gordon Liddy and George Wallace, Jr…
Two real dangerous characters….and yes, one a convicted felon, the other the son of an arch segregationist….
One, for the past 15 years or so a conservative talk show host, the other, defeated by the “Republican” state of Alabama for Lt. Governor, ending his career in politics.
I don’t think McCain will be appointing either of them to the VP, AG, or SCOTUS, after he wins in November, will he???
But, if Obama had won, without this scandal, JE would be on the cabinet, or on the court….
And, again, Obama would be a joke….
Nice try….keep trying….
reff (b68a4f) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:34 pmDon’t forget his stint as Kyle Broflovski’s adopted Canadian little brother.
Icy Truth (a7ead4) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:35 pmRevisionist history again. George Wallace had a change of heart about racism and segregation before he died.
Liddy at times comes across as a psycho to me, but he is an interesting man who put his loyalty to the President above all else. ..not like crapweasel John Dean. Seems to me that the Watergate thing was an misguided attempt to counter liberal obstructionism and protests. The burglars did not get a pass, but Liddy was the one who did not cave and was treated harshest.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/9/2008 @ 8:46 pmMax….the Wallace discussed was “Jr.”…who did not have the segregationist history of his father, although he did speak several times to the CCC, which would be construed by any reasonable person as a racist group….of course, up to recent times in Alabama, you all but had to talk to everyone to get votes, including some fringe groups….
But, the defeat of Wallace, Jr., in the Lt. Governor’s race in ’06 pretty much eliminated that too….
But, you can’t tell things like that to lovesick08…
reff (b68a4f) — 8/9/2008 @ 9:56 pm114- Of course he turns a blind eye to Obama associates like the terrorists who were never brought to any justice despite being in Weathermen group that was into bombing and police deaths and even accidentally killing their own criminal membership.
madmax333 (0c6cfc) — 8/9/2008 @ 10:13 pmOf course I know that “Ike”. But what has he got to do with anything here? What are you smoking Icy? Not good for you. Quit while you still have enough lucidity to type on your keyboard.
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/10/2008 @ 12:10 pmAnd madmax666, you are way past redemption. You are now reprobate. Revelation 3:16-18.
And to you all. Ouch! It’s gotta hurt. Seeing John McCain linked to all those horrible people. You cannot discountenance it with any proof except to shoot out you usual whiners’ talk.
Yes Obama has shown poor judgment in his choice of friends. No argument. staying in that racist church for 20 years was inexcusable. Agreed. So also did McCain. He has had his own share of diabolic associations. Deal with it!
Big mistake. Misquoted the Bible verses. It should be Revelation 13:16-18. For you madmax666.
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/10/2008 @ 12:17 pmSeeing John McCain linked to all those horrible people.
Lovey – You haven’t exactly provided the links, have you? I know they exist in you mind, but how about sharing some details along with the summary talking points.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/10/2008 @ 12:24 pmGitmo which is horrendously old news will likely get more news coverage over the next two years than the Edwards story will, because leftists would rather attack their own country over and over and over and over than make a single one of their own accountable for anything.
Liberals will be in downplay mode, eager to get back to trashing their own country – saying:
āPoor Edwardsā family. They must really be hurting right now. Now letās get back to talking about how horrible America is…and how Conservatives are to blame ā never minding the fact that liberals have been in control of congress for how long?.ā
That is the differenceā¦.
When a conservative messes up, other conservatives pressure the idiot out of whatever office they hold or hope to hold. Conservatives donāt start making excuses, yipping again about 6 year old stories designed to announce to the world how much they hate their country.
When a liberal lies, cheats, pays off a mistress and insults others in the process ā well then liberals immediately go into all the reasons why itās no big deal.
Well hereās a news flash for the wild eyed, protest giddy leftist who seems to think this isnāt a big dealā¦.. this story is not going away in a week.. or twoā¦ or threeā¦.Why?
Because Edwards is STILL lying about half the storyā¦ He lies even when he āsupposedlyā is coming clean. Of course Clinton really said it best ā it all depends on what the definition of āisā isā¦ā¦
Danny Vice
Danny Vice (2529cf) — 8/10/2008 @ 12:30 pmhttp://www.theweeklyvice.com
#118
love2008 (1b037c) — 8/10/2008 @ 4:32 pmSo your little brain tells you that I actually made it up? Or are you pretending to be so obtuse and clueless about your candidate? You know more about Obama’s past associations but know nothing about John McCain’s bad company. Very intellectual indeed. You know how to crosscheck anything you read about on the internet. Seek and you shall find. It’s out there. Or must I also teach you how to “Google”?
Lovey – In other words, you lifted the talking point from somebody and you don’t want to say where you got it.
I understand.
daleyrocks (d9ec17) — 8/10/2008 @ 4:38 pm#116 – Of course I know that āIkeā. But what has he got to do with anything here? What are you smoking Icy?
— Well let me see here, George. In #64 you wrote (and I quote): “Why donāt you give me a long list of qualified, experienced Republican past Presidents that did exceptionally well for America.” [I’m not sure how long you expected that list to be, seeing as how there have only been 43 presidents total, some of whom have been Democrats, and 14 of whom became president before there was a Democrat-Republican contest.] So, in #72 I wrote: Dwight David Eisenhower; Ronald Wilson Reagan.
You asked, I answered. And now you’re asking me what am I smoking? Right back at ya.
Icy Truth (d05099) — 8/10/2008 @ 4:53 pmAnd speaking of answering back, love, are you going to respond to my response to your challenge? You asked me to provide a quote from the Koran that applied to Edwards; I did so, and now . . . it couldn’t be that you are afraid of Islamic terrorists coming after you, are you? [Or were you actually hoping that Patterico would kick me off for having done it? Fascinating. What Muslims object to are false depictions of The Prophet, something that I expressly did not do.]
Icy Truth (d05099) — 8/10/2008 @ 5:02 pm#123
love2008 (0c8c2c) — 8/10/2008 @ 5:18 pmIcy. Okay. Here is the challenge. Use those quotes from the Koran and write a parody on Obama as you did with the beatitudes. (Sermon on the mount.) Don’t just quote the Koran. Read your supposedly funny post where you used the Bible as a parody on Obama. Use the Koran and do exactly the same. That is the challenge.
Now there’s homework? It seems that love2008 is not very good at supporting her talking points, even when specifically called on it. She’d rather change the subject or try to make others find the non-existent proof of what she says. She’ll be back to the sweetness-and-light character soon, but this weekend has really been an eye-opener.
Deranged but superficially functional.
Stashiu3 (460dc1) — 8/11/2008 @ 11:47 amShe’s busy digging up old copies of Can This Marriage Be Saved from the Ladies Home Journal. Poor, poor John Edwards. Why… why?
Vermont Neighbor (a066ed) — 8/11/2008 @ 12:01 pmI think she’s going through the motions of defending Edwards just to bash McCain. Emotionally, she’s already thrown “little Johnny” under the bus (pun intended).
Funny thing is, I think I know who love2008 is at another site. If not, the similarities are disturbing. The phoney “Peace, Love, and Unity”, the timely “Why can’t we just get along?”, and then the nastiness and accusations when challenged… annoyed me.
Probably easy enough to find out but I don’t think it matters. I notice she still hasn’t answered you on the other thread. Funny that.
Stashiu3 (460dc1) — 8/11/2008 @ 12:15 pmIt seems that love2008 is not very good at supporting her talking points, even when specifically called on it…this weekend has really been an eye-opener.
Comment by Stashiu3 ā 8/11/2008 @ 11:47 am
Definitely agreed.
no one you know (1f5ddb) — 8/11/2008 @ 12:15 pm#127
Vermont Neighbor (a066ed) — 8/11/2008 @ 12:22 pmOh yeah. I’m about ready to bring that request to her next post.
And water is wet.
JD (75f5c3) — 8/11/2008 @ 12:49 pm