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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/08/04/robert-evans-announces-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-367883</link>
		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-- &lt;i&gt;the journalist “privilege” is a figment of the industry’s imagination&lt;/i&gt; --
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Not totally.  There is a significant body of case law, as well as DOJ policy that aims to avoid compelled disclosure as a matter of routine.
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I found it interesting that the privilege adheres to the journalist and not the source - I&#039;d thought the privilege one that the source could waive, but case law says otherwise.
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YMMV, or course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211; <i>the journalist “privilege” is a figment of the industry’s imagination</i> &#8211;<br />
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Not totally.  There is a significant body of case law, as well as DOJ policy that aims to avoid compelled disclosure as a matter of routine.<br />
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I found it interesting that the privilege adheres to the journalist and not the source &#8211; I&#8217;d thought the privilege one that the source could waive, but case law says otherwise.<br />
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YMMV, or course.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/08/04/robert-evans-announces-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-367879</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;FWIW, the privilege belongs to the reporter, not to the source.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Real privileges don&#039;t work that way, but then again, the journalist &quot;privilege&quot; is a figment of the industry&#039;s imagination, so if they&#039;re going to persist in flouting the law to invoke a &quot;privilege&quot; that doesn&#039;t exist, I guess there&#039;s no reason they can&#039;t define their fantasy privilege any way they want to.  But make no mistake about it, we &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; talking about a phony privilege, not a real one.  If there were a genuine, recognized privilege at work here, Miller would never have been jailed for invoking it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>FWIW, the privilege belongs to the reporter, not to the source.</p></blockquote>
<p>Real privileges don&#8217;t work that way, but then again, the journalist &#8220;privilege&#8221; is a figment of the industry&#8217;s imagination, so if they&#8217;re going to persist in flouting the law to invoke a &#8220;privilege&#8221; that doesn&#8217;t exist, I guess there&#8217;s no reason they can&#8217;t define their fantasy privilege any way they want to.  But make no mistake about it, we <i>are</i> talking about a phony privilege, not a real one.  If there were a genuine, recognized privilege at work here, Miller would never have been jailed for invoking it.</p>
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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/08/04/robert-evans-announces-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-367508</link>
		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gannett.com/go/newswatch/2006/august/nw0825-6.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Legal Watch: Courts reject protection for phone records&lt;/a&gt; - August 25, 2006
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Separate legal compulsion process used by Fitz, against Miller, to obtain records in the Holy Land leak investigation.
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IIRC, in the case below, the District Judge rejected the prosecution&#039;s argument, and the Second Circuit reversed.  Also IIRC, there was a very tight time-frame (days, maybe one week) between obtaining finality in the order, and a need to indict within the statute of limitations.  No indictment was brought - the telephone logs were turned over.
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My general point being that the Holy Land Leak investigation and Libby cases proceeded very independently, even though they had the players &quot;Fitzgerald&quot; and &quot;Miller&quot; in common.  At the time Fitz was trying to corral Miller in the Libby case, SHE had a court order protecting her from disclosing Holy Land Leak materials (I don&#039;t recall if the appeal had been filed, but it hadn&#039;t been decided).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.gannett.com/go/newswatch/2006/august/nw0825-6.htm" rel="nofollow">Legal Watch: Courts reject protection for phone records</a> &#8211; August 25, 2006<br />
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Separate legal compulsion process used by Fitz, against Miller, to obtain records in the Holy Land leak investigation.<br />
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IIRC, in the case below, the District Judge rejected the prosecution&#8217;s argument, and the Second Circuit reversed.  Also IIRC, there was a very tight time-frame (days, maybe one week) between obtaining finality in the order, and a need to indict within the statute of limitations.  No indictment was brought &#8211; the telephone logs were turned over.<br />
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My general point being that the Holy Land Leak investigation and Libby cases proceeded very independently, even though they had the players &#8220;Fitzgerald&#8221; and &#8220;Miller&#8221; in common.  At the time Fitz was trying to corral Miller in the Libby case, SHE had a court order protecting her from disclosing Holy Land Leak materials (I don&#8217;t recall if the appeal had been filed, but it hadn&#8217;t been decided).</p>
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		<title>By: htom</title>
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		<dc:creator>htom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My prayers and best wishes to Mr. Novak, too.</description>
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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/08/04/robert-evans-announces-retirement/comment-page-1/#comment-367465</link>
		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-- &lt;I&gt;Libby released her from any confidentiality agreement&lt;/i&gt; --
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FWIW, the privilege belongs to the reporter, not to the source.  That struck me as odd when I first learned it (studying the Libby case of all things), but even if a source says &quot;go ahead and talk,&quot; the reporter may still protect the privilege.  That, even if the reporter believes the source voluntarily agreed, although the more intuitive approach is that sources might be compelled to grant a waiver -- in Libby&#039;s case, the granting of a waiver was a condition of ongoing employment.  He didn&#039;t sign it until pressed by the SP.  IOW, there were signs that he, unlike other WH workers, was reluctant to sign a waiver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211; <i>Libby released her from any confidentiality agreement</i> &#8211;<br />
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FWIW, the privilege belongs to the reporter, not to the source.  That struck me as odd when I first learned it (studying the Libby case of all things), but even if a source says &#8220;go ahead and talk,&#8221; the reporter may still protect the privilege.  That, even if the reporter believes the source voluntarily agreed, although the more intuitive approach is that sources might be compelled to grant a waiver &#8212; in Libby&#8217;s case, the granting of a waiver was a condition of ongoing employment.  He didn&#8217;t sign it until pressed by the SP.  IOW, there were signs that he, unlike other WH workers, was reluctant to sign a waiver.</p>
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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
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		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-- &lt;i&gt; Once Fitzgerald had her under oath in front of the GJ, he could have asked her about the other investigation.&gt;/i&gt; --
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I disagree.  His charter as SP was narrow, and his beef with Miller in the Holy Land leak was not any of the SP&#039;s GJury&#039;s business.
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His subpoena to Miller in the Libby case was narrowed sufficiently to satisfy her that what I described above was indeed the case, and she did testify.  Her &quot;jailing&quot; was I think more a matter of fighting for press privilege in general.
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Sad to hear about Robert Novak.  He&#039;s an interesting character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211; <i> Once Fitzgerald had her under oath in front of the GJ, he could have asked her about the other investigation.&gt;/i&gt; &#8211;<br />
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I disagree.  His charter as SP was narrow, and his beef with Miller in the Holy Land leak was not any of the SP&#8217;s GJury&#8217;s business.<br />
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His subpoena to Miller in the Libby case was narrowed sufficiently to satisfy her that what I described above was indeed the case, and she did testify.  Her &#8220;jailing&#8221; was I think more a matter of fighting for press privilege in general.<br />
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Sad to hear about Robert Novak.  He&#8217;s an interesting character.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Dana R Pico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana R Pico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Jacobs wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Friends? You have a strange set of definitions for “friend”, buddy…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have no interest in stooping to the level of some of our .  .  . adversaries .  .  . on the left.  I do have a dripping sarcasm gif that can be seen -- and downloaded -- about half way down &lt;a href=&quot;http://commonsensepoliticalthought.com/?p=3009&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article,&lt;/a&gt; but I can&#039;t insert it in a comment on Patterico.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Jacobs wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Friends? You have a strange set of definitions for “friend”, buddy…</p></blockquote>
<p>I have no interest in stooping to the level of some of our .  .  . adversaries .  .  . on the left.  I do have a dripping sarcasm gif that can be seen &#8212; and downloaded &#8212; about half way down <a href="http://commonsensepoliticalthought.com/?p=3009" rel="nofollow">this article,</a> but I can&#8217;t insert it in a comment on Patterico.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My very best wishes to Mr. Novak...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My very best wishes to Mr. Novak&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Another Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WLS...
Let&#039;s also not gloss over the connection of Libby to the Marc Rich affair.
Libby, as a private atty was handling Rich&#039;s appeal, and Fitz was one of the AUSA&#039;s in NY trying to get Rich.
Too many personal affronts involved to be an above-board investigation/prosecution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WLS&#8230;<br />
Let&#8217;s also not gloss over the connection of Libby to the Marc Rich affair.<br />
Libby, as a private atty was handling Rich&#8217;s appeal, and Fitz was one of the AUSA&#8217;s in NY trying to get Rich.<br />
Too many personal affronts involved to be an above-board investigation/prosecution.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies.  I corrected the post to say Robert Novak instead of Robert Evans.  

And are you sure it&#039;s Monday?   I thought it was Tuesday ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies.  I corrected the post to say Robert Novak instead of Robert Evans.  </p>
<p>And are you sure it&#8217;s Monday?   I thought it was Tuesday &#8230;</p>
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