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7/29/2008

Nancy Pelosi’s Planet

Filed under: Environment,Politics — DRJ @ 3:11 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

House Republican Leader John Boehner thinks he has the votes to pass legislation that will increase domestic oil exploration and production, but earlier this month Speaker Pelosi refused to allow the legislation to move forward to a vote before Congress takes its August recess:

“Just as some Democrats in both the House and the Senate are beginning to heed the American people’s calls for more American energy production, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has threatened to do something quite different. She’d rather “pack it up and go home.”

Two weeks later, Speaker Pelosi is still blocking the energy legislation but instead of sounding like a grade-schooler who threatens to take her ball and go home, her current rhetoric sounds more like Captain Queeg:

“I’m trying to save the planet; I’m trying to save the planet,” she says impatiently when questioned. “I will not have this debate trivialized by their excuse for their failed policy.”

“I respect the office that I hold,” she says. “And when you win the election, you win the majority, and what is the power of the speaker? To set the agenda, the power of recognition, and I am not giving the gavel away to anyone.”

When she became Speaker of the House, Pelosi published a Handbook entitled “A New Direction for America.” Page 29 of the online version of the Handbook states that, in the Pelosi House, “Bills should generally come to the floor under a procedure that allows open, full, and fair debate.” Speaker Pelosi has consistently emphasized her devotion to honesty, integrity and openness.

It’s fine with me if Speaker Pelosi wants to use partisan and Parliamentary tactics to promote the interests she supports but I’m tired of her false insistence that she’s devoted to openness. If she really wants to be the House equivalent of LBJ, the Master [manipulator] of the Senate, then she should go for it. But the truth is she’s not the least bit open when it comes to legislation she dislikes and it doesn’t matter to her how many citizens or Congressional representatives support it.

— DRJ

107 Responses to “Nancy Pelosi’s Planet”

  1. Oh, a lot of us were well aware of Nancy Pelosi’s awesome hypocrisy. Look up the situation with organized labor versus the winery she and her husband own.

    One rule for me, and another for thee...appears to be the mantra.

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  2. Nancy Pelosi’s Planet:

    — Botoxia? Pastyfaceum? Stickuptheassiter? Ninepercenta?

    Icy Truth (f54eb3)

  3. “A New Direction for America.”

    — Said direction being a perpetual left turn that, just like in NASCAR, expends a lot of noxious fumes and leaves many broken & damaged bodies by the wayside while ending up right back where we started.

    Icy Truth (f54eb3)

  4. She needs to be removed from office. I do not know the procedure for removing the Speaker of the House, but there must be some way, or must we wait until November when she loses the majority role?

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (e18128)

  5. “Save the planet”?

    All by her little old lonesome? Wow.

    For God so loved the world, that He sent Tommy d’Alesandro’s only begotten daughter. . .

    DWF (d26f60)

  6. You quipsters are really on a roll here. Nancy Pelosi must bring out the best in you.

    DRJ (0af395)

  7. Oil junkies like you need rehab, DRJ.

    ASAP!

    David Ehrenstein (21c975)

  8. I dunno. I’ll admit to being softheaded enough to have wildly mixed feelings about Ms. Pelosi.

    On the one hand, she’s certainly done and said some stuuupid things. Her recent comments re GWB being ‘an absolute failure’ were quite over-the-top IMHO, and as far as I could tell, far worse than anything else she’d ever said in my memory ’bout the Prez. For a long time, I at least gave Pelosi credit for that relatively small semi-achievement.

    On the other hand… I happen to know that she gets tons of hate mail from a lot of her SF constituents every month… for not being liberal-leftist enough.

    So I just sort of give her a pass and am waiting ’til she ends up in a comfy Bay Area permanent-residency psych ward. I figure that between the current election and her botox, it won’t be long now. :-)

    qdpsteve (bfa2ca)

  9. Nothing short of a discharge petition will lead to a vote. It’s largely irrelevant anyway as Reid has the votes to prevent movement in the Senate.

    I am pleased to note, however, that Reid got his butt handed to him on his version of discharge – the Coburn holds have held.

    Ed (59b337)

  10. Honest and Ethical Democrats My Backside!

    Wexler isn’t even living in FL. He’s using the relatives’ address. Not only is he committing tax fraud, but isn’t qualified to hold a seat for Florida.

    PCD (8573a3)

  11. Hiya, Q. The point with Pelosi, again, is the open nature of her hypocrisy. The most open and honest Congress in history?

    Now we can add delusions of grandeur. Maybe she got it from BO, our modern King Canute—you know, the “…now is the time when the rising of the oceans will halt…” sort of quote.

    She hates being left out.

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  12. #6 – DRJ

    You quipsters are really on a roll here. Nancy Pelosi must bring out the best in you.

    — That’s “beast”, not “best”.

    Icy Truth (f54eb3)

  13. Here is a further thought. Isn’t her Pelosiness third in line for the Presidency?

    Gulp.

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  14. I say join my esteemed carpetbagger congresscritter bobby wexler and space cadet Denny Kucinich in impeaching both Bush and Cheney pronto for high crimes and misdemeanors. Botox Nancy could the be POTUS and solve all our national woes. The glass ceiling would be shattered. Justice would reign. You evil and most greedy neocons would be vilified and the world would rejoice. Like Levi, some of us rue the day Bush was allowed to treat the constitution like his own personal roll of Charmin’. But who then would be veep? I suggest dirty harry reid. Sans the obstructionism of Dubya, the peoples’ business would be pursued. Tax rates would reflect the largesse of some whom the Bush regime unfairly rewarded with great wealth. Fresh fruit and collagen injections/cosmetic surgery would be an inalienable right of all poor citizens.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  15. The Peter Principle comes to mind.

    daytrader (ea6549)

  16. I do not know the procedure for removing the Speaker of the House, but there must be some way, or must we wait until November when she loses the majority role?

    She would have to either lose election for her home district, or the Democrats would have to lose the Majority in the House.

    Both have happened in recent times. For example, not only did the Dems lose the majority in ’94, but then-Speaker Tom Foley (D-WA) also lost his home district. (The last time a sitting Speaker of the House had lost a contested election was 1860.)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  17. Isn’t her Pelosiness third in line for the Presidency?

    I think President Cheney would take her out first…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  18. Article I, Section 5, Clause 2: Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member.

    — No vote in the Senate is necessary, unless she were to be impeached. But then the sentiment among the public is not the same as the sentiment within the House itself; she is safe at least until the next Congress convenes, and probably thereafter as well. With her ‘historic’ status it’s going to take something really bad to get the Dems to throw her overboard.

    Icy Truth (f54eb3)

  19. “I will not have this debate trivialized by their excuse for their failed policy.”

    Really?

    Is that why that plan you promised 2 years ago is still vaporware?

    And no Drum, I don’t think heney would…

    He’s got this thing about the rules, unlike many Dems…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  20. “must we wait until November when she loses the majority role?”

    lolz

    afall (8a983a)

  21. Nancy Pelosi and Reid will hand this election to the Republicans. She is truly a scary woman who probably has mental problems. By the time the election comes around congress will have a 0% approval rating. The congress can’t continue to ignore what Americans want. That would be drilling for our own oil.

    Peter lemonjello (ce77b5)

  22. I really think they may be hoist on the oil petard. It would be an amazing turnaround. They cannot resolve the dilemma or gas prices vs global warming.

    Mike K (f89cb3)

  23. Drilling for oil offshore and in Alaska won’t lower the price of gas. But it will destroy the environment. (Not that many on this board care.)

    I’m surprised she made such a token effort for in every other way she’s the white Condi Rice. She’s entirely complicit in BushCo. torture policies and even asked for more.

    David Ehrenstein (21c975)

  24. PALOMINO!!!!!

    Saving the world from what? Underwear gnomes?

    Granny McRictusface needs a prune juice enema stat. The most ethical Congess ever is clocking in at half of Bush’s approval ratings and the Iraqi goverment has achieved more than she and the Simpleton from Searchlight have since taking over. I think the only thing that can save her butt is more hearings on the abuse of power by the Bush Administration between now and the election. Forget about energy prices, housing, healthcare and all the rest. What we need is MORE HEARINGS!!!!!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  25. I hope Pelosi (D-Beijing), and Reid (D-Havana) continue their behavior.

    According to Politico, “[The GOP will begin] to use “Pelosi-Reid-Obama” in the all-in-the-same-breath way that Democrats now use “Bush-McCain” — to make the parties’ popular candidates indistinguishable from their less beloved incumbents.”

    This is getting fun.

    Horatio (a549f7)

  26. I daresay that Pelosi, Reid, obama, Gore and the left in general are envious of euroweenie energy prices. All those potential extortionate taxes that ordinary people cope with for the nany state and univeral health insurance that rations care.
    What is it, ten dollars a gallon outside of gay Paree now? Of course the French have no problem with ubiquitous nuclear power plants generating electricity.

    Of course the media loves to obfuscate, but what is it about sheer Goebbels-like propaganda that has so many sheeple believing all the green BS?
    Depending on what stats you buy,w e have between 1.3 to 2 TRILLION barrels of oil locked up in oil shale deposits out in the west of USA. But we still hear the mantra of alternative energy saving the planet and need to stifle our national growth in order that third world shitholes advance. Is it really an either/or proposition? We pump our own oil, pay less to regimes supporting terrorism, give americans jobs, eliminate or make less ethanol, thus lowering price of foodstuffs for the starving masses of the world. But our sensitive cretinous america hating left will have none of it. When will Urkel flip flop on oil exploration???

    Read somewheree today that 30% of our electric goes for lighting and we could save 30% of that by switching to LED solid state lighting, thus saving 10% of what we use total for electric.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  27. Nancy Pelosi…
    Would Hack be too harsh?

    Another Drew (8018ee)

  28. Ed #9,

    It sounds like Reid is the weak link but Pelosi is doing her utmost to hold firm.

    DRJ (0af395)

  29. Does Botox poison the brain?

    N. O'Brain (9056e2)

  30. That should be of gas prices and global warming.

    Mike K (f89cb3)

  31. I’m trying to save the planet…for those with private jets.

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  32. Interesting, indeed, DRJ.

    Yet, the bottom line is that the Senate rules lend themselves to a motivated minority of 41. Whether Reid or Lautenberg leads the obfuscatory movement, nothing will happen.

    How cool it would be if I were wrong, though!

    Ed (59b337)

  33. Harry Reid is the Skelator of modern politics today, and Pelosi is his Saran – Wrapped Goblin.

    Dmac (416471)

  34. Zelsdorf, Icy Truth, Drumwaster —

    Actually the House can remove a speaker anytime the majority wants to. No need to muster a 2/3 vote to expel her from the House itself. A majority *could* simply pass a resolutioin on the floor declring the speakership vacant.

    No chance of this actually happening, of course. But *if* a majority of the house wanted her out, they have that power.

    DWF (62726b)

  35. This procedure, of course, applies only to earthly speakers. I don’t know if it could properly be used against a Being whose mission it is to
    Save the Planet.

    DWF (62726b)

  36. Captain Queegosi: I like it. I can already see her in the Speaker’s chair, mumbling in a “Bogie” lisp as she’s clicking little steel balls in her hand….

    “Ahh, but the drilling legislation that’s… that’s where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with… geometric logic… that a duplicate key to my secret files DID exist, and I’d have produced that key if they hadn’t of pulled my bill off the floor. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow congressmen….”

    MarkJ (7fa185)

  37. I have this disturbing image of Pelosi, Reid, etc. with large colored rings… “Let our powers combine!”

    Taltos (4dc0e8)

  38. There have been warnings that BOTOX goes to the brain. Peeeloshi’s brain is either floating in BOTOX or gas pressure built up (from holding her farts in) in her butt, traveled up the spine to the brain and is giving her a load of s****y idea’s. Then BDS has been declared a non curable mental illness. Lot of choices, none good.

    Scrapiron (c36902)

  39. “Then BDS has been declared a non curable mental illness. ”

    Oh, it’s worse than that, Scrapiron. I hear BDS will be classified as a disability under the next ADA expansion bill. Then everyone who has it will be guaranteed employment for life. Plus they ‘ll get to make their own rules for golf.

    DWF (62726b)

  40. I don’t know who is more screwed up Nancy Pelosi or that weasel Harry Reid. There is no way they be in their right mind and believe they are doing the right thing.

    Peter Lemonjello (ce77b5)

  41. That would be Harry “Taxes are voluntary” Reid, am I right?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  42. That’s the one!

    Icy Truth (f54eb3)

  43. #25 – Another Drew

    Would Hack be too harsh?

    — Are you referring to her plastic surgeon (both figuratively and literally)?

    Icy Truth (f54eb3)

  44. “Does Botox poison the brain?”
    Comment by N. O’Brain

    Actually, I think it’s it’s something in the water there in San Fran.
    Forty years of absolute nut job wackiness has to indicate an area effect.
    Maybe the Kennedy-Johnson era CIA tested LSD in the water supply and it is still leaching out of the pipes…..would explain a lot.

    MM

    MaaddMaaxx (9822e4)

  45. These two (Harry and Nancy) are in for a rude awakening once Bush is gone. I’m assuming they’ll hold their majorities, although not sweeping to greater victory this fall.

    The Dem’s will still be blaming Bush for everything perceived as wrong well into the next decade but the public won’t be buying. BDS has a sell-by date but that will not stop them from rambling and ranting about the man indefinitely.

    This congress has accomplished nothing beyond minimum wage and a GSE bailout that a large plurality, if not a small majority, of Americans has little use for.

    Worst congress ever? They are certainly in the running. McCain should be hammering that point and the need for domestic energy supplies every day from now until the election.

    Someone upthread made the point that Pelosi receives hate mail from her district. I have no trouble believing that as she’s considered a right winger by many of her constituents.

    Time for a new Contract with America for conservatives. Preface it with the obvious; we have let you down in the past but the stakes are too high to return these clowns back to the leadership. Drill here. Now. etc. Win the war, bring the troops home, victorious. Stop wasting taxpayer money on stupidity and get rid of the porkers (starting w/Stevens) on both sides of the aisle.

    It wouldn’t be that hard, really.

    Chris (da1e70)

  46. If she were effective, she would be profoundly dangerous.

    She’s not. She’s Joan Rivers with a briefcase.

    Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. Together, their breathtaking incompetence have almost made meaningless the 2006 election results. What a lucky thing for the U.S.A.!

    Beldar (0bd1bc)

  47. have made –> has made.

    I should stick to my own blog, where I can correct my typos.

    Beldar (0bd1bc)

  48. Don’t do that, Beldar!

    David #7: I’m an unrepentant, addicted oil junkie just like everyone who drives, uses the internet, and lives in an average American home. I bet that makes me just like you, except you feel guilty about it.

    DRJ (e4b6ac)

  49. She’s saving the world FOR THE CHILDREN !!!!!

    JD (5f0e11)

  50. MarkJ #36,

    Well done. That’s a masterful Queeg impersonation.

    DRJ (e4b6ac)

  51. DRJ: the person to whom you replied doesn’t “do” guilt, apparently.

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  52. I always appreciate praise from you, Bradley. It must be my Libertarian side craving approval from a principled believer.

    DRJ (e4b6ac)

  53. DRJ,
    My approval? You got it!

    I admire principled people of any political persuasion, those who don’t let their opinions get in the way of facts or feel compelled to toe the party line. That is what impressed me about our esteemed proprietor, and before that, Cathy Seipp.

    Bradley J Fikes (0ea407)

  54. Eric Blair (and David E.):

    I don’t know David E. well enough to speak for him or about him and I was kidding about his guilt. However, I think it’s true that many people who oppose oil do so because they think oil exploration and production causes great harm to the environment, and they feel guilty about contributing to that.

    Bradley:

    I feel the same way and still, to this day, reading her name makes my eyes mist.

    DRJ (e4b6ac)

  55. There is a whole other backstory to my comment, DRJ, and I am still angry about that other person’s antics elsewhere. The best thing to do is ignore it and move on.

    Your own approach, to rise above that kind of rancor, is to be applauded. I mean that sincerely. I get irritated too easily.

    But never by you! And I am hardly the only person here who thinks so…

    As for oil drilling, I find that many people who oppose development seem to have no trouble personally doing many, many things that waste energy–while saying that we (other people?) should all conserve. In addition, I find that many (not all) of such people have very little idea of the facts involved in the development. Nor of the economics of energy production/consumption. Nor economics at all, come to think of it.

    It’s not Evil Corporations pillaging the defenseless planet every time, after all. Most of the people opposing more oil development don’t know a thing about ANWR, for example. Not even at this level:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Refuge_drilling_controversy

    But some of them sure sound off about the caribou.

    Oh well. Again, I get irritated too easily. Everybody gets a vote, and that is how it should be!

    Eric Blair (2708f4)

  56. Icy Truth…
    No, I was talking about her politics.
    I thought her plastic surgeon operated using a cattle-prod up her back-side.

    Actually, I would like to re-phrase the question:
    Would Hack be too generous?

    As for the water in SanFran…
    It must be something at Hetch Hetchy; they’ve been drinking that water for a hundred years in the City.
    Perhaps it is time to restore that valley!

    Another Drew (8018ee)

  57. Well said.

    But the truth is she’s not the least bit open when it comes to legislation she dislikes and it doesn’t matter to her how many citizens or Congressional representatives support it.

    And Pelosi even says so herself:

    and what is the power of the speaker? To set the agenda, the power of recognition, and I am not giving the gavel away to anyone.”

    Typical far left. Power hungry, all under the guise of for the people.

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  58. I don’t “do” guilt, DRJ.

    And I don’t drive either.

    (Memo to Filkes and “George Orwell”: Under no circumstances am I returning to “The Festering Swamp” or apologizing for anything I’ve said there, as I have nothing to apologize for.)

    David Ehrenstein (21c975)

  59. Here is Pilosi at her finest:

    Windfall Tax on Retirement Income

    Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of saying to the American people, you’re so darn stupid that we’re going to keep doing this until we drain every cent from you. That’s what the Speaker of the House is saying. Read below…………..

    Nancy Pelosi wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income.. In other words tax what you have made by investing toward your retirement. This woman is a nut case! You aren’t going to believe this.

    Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K and Mutual Funds! Alas, it is true – all to help the 12 Millio n Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities!

    This woman is frightening.
    She quotes…’ We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income, (didn’t Marx say something like this), in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest.’ ( I am not rich, are you)

    When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied:
    ‘We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as ‘Americans’.’ ( Read that quote again and again and let it sink in. Lower your retirement, give it to others who have not worked as you have for it.

    Stan (7cfd24)

  60. Get the guns ready, kids… The revolution isn’t far off now…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  61. Stan,
    Got a link for that Pelosi stuff?

    Chris (da1e70)

  62. According to Snopes, Stan’s claims are part of an internet hoax.

    bonhomme (d737be)

  63. If thats the case, my bad. I trusted my accountant who sent it to me. However, Nancy is big on the redistribution of wealth. So is Obama. No secret there.

    Stan (7cfd24)

  64. What Snopes says is that claims Pilosy wants a 100% tax on windfall profits is false. She still wants to tax us to death. Here is the link.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pelosi.asp

    Stan (7cfd24)

  65. Unfortunately, Snopes is saying it’s a hoax.

    Joral (5ec61e)

  66. Just goes to prove that the best rumors are the ones that SOUND true…

    Because I can defininately see Speaker Pelosi saying that…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  67. A little history lesson for you all from a native San Franciscan:

    Nancy Pelosi is the most powerful politician that has ever emerged from the California Democratic Party machine built over four decades ago by Jesse “Big Daddy” Unruh and Philip Burton (both deceased) which gave California and America the following luminaries (partial list): Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown, Dianne Feinstein, that handsome devil Henry Waxman, Harvey Milk, Barbara Boxer (and her former assistant Bernie Ward), Gray Davis, Willie Brown, Leon Panetta, Loretta Sanchez, Jane Harman, Tom Lantos, Maxine Waters, Diane Watson, Antonio Villaraigosa, Lynn Woolsey, Gavin Newsom (who got another hot wife just in time for his next campaign) and (grumble) Pete Stark. Pelosi may also be — with the possible exception of Marin County airhead Woolsey — the dumbest on this list.

    Pelosi made her name as a fundraiser for Cal Dems, not a political strategist. She has NEVER had to actually campaign for her seat in Congress; after the death of Philip Burton, his widow Sala was dropped in the seat, and she was re-elected once before her death. Pelosi was handed the job, and has won in a landslide in a hardcore Dem district ever since, never facing significant opposition. That won’t change this year, with her biggest competition thusfar being Cindy Sheehan (remember her?).

    Pelosi’s greatest achievement before emerging from obscurity to the Speaker chair? Bringin’ home the pork. She was able to finagle over half a billion dollars (before cost overruns) for expansion of light rail transit from downtown to the violent Bayview/Hunters Point district. One of the selling points of expanding the system was that the neighborhood is nearby Candlestick Park — completed in 1960 for the S.F. Giants and current home of the 49ers — which was at the time supposed to be demolished and replaced with a state-of-the-art football stadium. Juuuust one problem: The new ownership of the Niners wants out of S.F. Ooops.

    Pelosi is not just an empty dress, she’s a see-through empty dress. She’s a sock puppet of power brokers. She’s a cipher. I would say she’s the female Obama, but that wouldn’t be fair to Barack because she’s just as green after over twenty years in Congress as he is after only two in the Senate.

    She’s always been an embarrassment to San Francisco whenever she has been put on the national stage, but that wasn’t a big deal because she mostly did nothing. But now, she’s second in line for the Presidency. Years ago, some people joked that Dan Quayle was George H.W. Bush’s life insurance. Ha, ha. Well, consider this: On 9/11, the fourth of the hijacked planes — United 93, headed for San Francisco — was intended for collision into the White House.

    I don’t think I need to say any more about that.

    L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf)

  68. On 9/11, the fourth of the hijacked planes — United 93, headed for San Francisco — was intended for collision into the White House.

    On that fine September morning, Bush was in Florida and Cheney was not in the White House. After the first collisions, he was moved to a “secure and undisclosed location”.

    So ramming a plane into the White House would have killed a bunch of civilian workers and a handful of Marines and Secret Service agents.

    The Capitol is just seconds away by air, is much more identifiable from an airplane (the dome and the Washington Monument give it away), and is guaranteed to have at least a few highly placed government officials somewhere inside.

    And San Fran Nan was still just Minority Leader at that point.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  69. I agree with Nancy Pelosi on the need to save the planet by not drilling. (everyone spare me reasons to drill)(I’ve heard them all) That’s not what my comment is about.

    I’m not sure how to feel about what Pelosi is doing because I am hearing that more and more Americans are coming around to the need to drill.
    Should she abandon her feelings along with mine and the minority of Americans on this issue?

    Oiram (983921)

  70. “Drilling for oil offshore and in Alaska won’t lower the price of gas.”

    However, drilling into your tiny brain and releasing the immense store of toxic membranes will surely raise the smog alert factor of the LA air mass to a level of immediate death by inhaling.

    Dmac (416471)

  71. “Under no circumstances am I returning to “The Festering Swamp” or apologizing for anything I’ve said there…”

    Awww, Queenie – why so angry? Marriage not agreeing with you these days?

    Dmac (416471)

  72. I don’t “do” guilt, DRJ.

    Of course not. Psychopaths never do.

    qdpsteve (bfa2ca)

  73. Should she abandon her feelings along with mine and the minority of Americans on this issue?

    No, no, no, not at all. She should become ever more shrill on this issue, blaming Bush for Congress’ utter inability to resolve the issue rather than actually listening to the citizens of the nation she works for. She is the Wisdom of the American People, and we need to be told every day what we are supposed to think by our betters isolated in their DC ivory towers.

    Put her out there leading the way over the cliff for the Democrats. It’s the only way.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  74. I’m even more confused Drum, I’m trying to see your point. Was comment #74 sarcastic, or do you really fell that way?

    Oiram (983921)

  75. feel (my spelling sucks as usual) on #75

    Oiram (983921)

  76. What do you think?

    I want Nancy out there blaming everyone but herself for Congress’ failure to pass legislation, on national TV three times a day.

    Make sure everyone knows what she thinks our government should be doing.

    I’m not for censoring Democrats, I’m for getting every little bit of their message and methods and goals as much publicity as possible.

    I think Obama should run ever leftward, instead of towards the center. Demand that we pull all of our troops out by Friday, every last sniper and supply clerk. Repeat his insistence that he would be willing to meet with leaders of terrorist-supporting nations more readily than he would meet with our soldiers and generals.

    What do you think would happen if Democrats started actually telling people what they wanted to do?

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  77. What do I think?

    Based on the crap you just spewed at me?

    What do I think? I think I see a group of people who use polls to make their point only when they agree with them, and then disregard the rest.

    A slight margin of the country appears to favor offshore drilling……. so Pelosi is talking out of her ass…… is what I know your thinking.

    A large margin of our country has been and is still against our war in Iraq……… yet that somehow doesn’t seem to matter to you and your comrades.

    Sorry if the last sentence there was off topic, but sometimes I feel the need to point out absurdity.

    Oiram (983921)

  78. A slight margin of the country appears to favor offshore drilling

    Since when is a 69-30 margin considered a “slight margin”?

    so Pelosi is talking out of her ass

    Doesn’t change what I wrote. I want her message chiseled in stone and tied around Obama’s neck.

    sometimes I feel the need to point out absurdity.

    Balances nicely with your need to utter absurdity the rest of the time…

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  79. Drumwaster wrote: On that fine September morning, Bush was in Florida and Cheney was not in the White House. After the first collisions, he was moved to a “secure and undisclosed location”.

    So ramming a plane into the White House would have killed a bunch of civilian workers and a handful of Marines and Secret Service agents.

    That’s true, but no evidence exists suggesting Al Qaeda’s plan was contingent on the schedule of the POTUS and VP. They didn’t hatch the plot on the fly, and I don’t believe there is anyone who isn’t drinking the Alex Jones-town Kool-Aid who suggests AQ intended to spare Bush & Cheney the fiery death they rained upon thousands.

    L.N. Smithee (0931d2)

  80. 69-30 Drum, fine I made a mistake on the drilling polls. (I guess those figures are correct, you are the master of facts)

    I didn’t however make a mistake on my other point.

    re-read #78 if you dare.

    Again I don’t see the balance.

    Oiram (983921)

  81. Actually, though the American People, as expressed in the many polls, have said that going to Iraq was a mistake, they are not in favor of getting out without winning!
    We did a tie in Korea, and slinked away with a loss in Vietnam:
    Enough, is enough!
    That’s why the surge was instituted, and that is why it is working – both on-the-ground in Iraq, in the Halls of Capitol Hill, and on Main Street in Small-Town America (your experience in NYC/LA/SF and the Halls-of-Ivy may be different).

    Another Drew (8018ee)

  82. “A large margin of our country has been and is still against our war in Iraq……… yet that somehow doesn’t seem to matter to you and your comrades.”

    Oiram – The solution to that is not to elect representation in Washington that continues to support the war. Isn’t that how our political system works and what your ilk thought you had done in 2006? What happened and why are you still whining?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  83. Well daley, I hated to be off topic on my original comment here (#78) and continue to do so. But I guess since we were told that the oil in Iraq was going to pay for the war…… (BTW first war in history that the government felt no need to raise taxes)(480 billion in debt now) and since gas prices in my opinion are a result of a weakened dollar due to that debt, I guess we’re not off topic by that much.

    …..so………Yes, I’m still whining, because the Democrats only have a slight margin in the house and senate. This obviously was not enough to overcome King George W. Now am I p.oed about our representation not being able to convince enough Republican representatives concerning the war? Yes I am.

    Oiram (983921)

  84. Oiram – It is the Republicans fault that the Dems have not surrendered yet?

    69-30 is the thinnest of margins according to the LA Times.

    JD (5f0e11)

  85. Pelosi requires a simple majority to pass anything she wants. Why hasn’t she surrendered? Why not defund the war? Face it, bucko. Even the Dems do not agree with you.

    JD (5f0e11)

  86. “Surrender” that’s funny.

    Actually since that’s all the Republicans can “cling” to, it makes me realize there’s still hope for this country.

    Oiram (983921)

  87. “Democrats wanna surrender” crowd = The old “Freedom fries” crowd.
    Americans are smart enough to see through that malarkey.

    I hope for our sakes anyways.

    Oiram (983921)

  88. “But I guess since we were told that the oil in Iraq was going to pay for the war”

    Oiram – That’s pretty funny. What was there, like one reference to that in passing by an admin. official on a Sunday morning show or something? Do you recall ever hearing Bush or Cheney talk about that? If so, I’d love to see the citation. Mythical is what that talking point is, buddy.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  89. Actually, as I recall it, the “oil would pay for it” comment was not for the cost of the war (liberation), but for what it would take to rebuild the country; not only the damage inflicted during the assault, but from the neglect of the SH gov’t as he diverted funds to his palaces and favored Army units.

    Another Drew (8018ee)

  90. Meanwhile, Obama thinks that airing up tires and “regular tuneups” (*) will save as much gas as drilling offshore and ANWR would produce.

    This is why our energy policy is so screwed up, because Democrats think that the stupid twaddle like that from loony environmentalists is true.

    (*) – evidently not realizing that modern automobiles are largely all using electronic ignitions and computer controlled timing for which a “tuneup” is pretty silly.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  91. But I guess since we were told that the oil in Iraq was going to pay for the war…… (BTW first war in history that the government felt no need to raise taxes)

    When have we EVER charged the opposing country for the cost of the war?

    In fact, the last time we were involved in a world-wide war against a murderous ideology, we ended up sending the conquered countries the equivalent of a full year’s GDP to help rebuild them.

    This war has just 1/7 the equivalent cost and only 1/70th of the number of casualties.

    I’d say that was a success by any rational standards, but you would obviously disagree. For exactly the same reason.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  92. Oiram,

    I’ll say this nicely: It’s time for you to put up or shut up about Nancy Pelosi. Her party controls the House, and all she needs to do to pass a law is to have 218 members vote in her favor. Since the Democrat Party has more than 218 members, voting to get us out of Iraq should take about 15 minutes.

    She hasn’t done so, not in 2 years. The reality is, the country is NOT in favor of abandoning Iraq, and the Democrats in the House realize this, even as they cry their crocodile tears about how Bush is making them do things against their pure & refined sense of moral outrage.

    steve miller (eba841)

  93. Steve, with Oiram calling the Democrats’ 2006 congressional races campaign platform “malarky”, you’ve got no chance of seeing him “put up or shut up”.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  94. Reply to daleyrocks #89:

    March 23, 2003. Direct quote from Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Defense Secretary (at the time) and principle architect of Iraq War…..

    “The oiL revenues of that country could be between 50 and 100 billion dollars over the course of the next 2 or 3 years. We’re dealing with a country that can really finance it’s own reconstruction, and relatively soon.”

    Oiram (983921)

  95. Thanks for putting it nicely Steve.
    Why do you think congress’s approval rating is so low? You just pinpointed it with severe accuracy.
    The country is not in favor of abandoning Iraq and that’s not what Democrats want, including Obama.
    But they don’t favor our current war and we do want a troop withdrawal (interpret that to mean with conditions and call it “time Horizons” I don’t care).

    Oiram (983921)

  96. Drum on line #92 asks:
    “When have we EVER charged the opposing country for the cost of the war?”

    Thanks Drum, now you know how I feel and felt.
    Obama too for that matter.

    Welcome to our side.

    Oiram (983921)

  97. Thanks Drum, now you know how I feel and felt.

    That was in refutation to some moron that was asserting that we should be using the Iraqi oil to pay us back for the war (which is not even close to being accurate.

    I wonder which moron could have advanced that idea?

    You are missing the point entirely. As usual.

    The country is not in favor of abandoning Iraq and that’s not what Democrats want

    You have to be either deliberately lying or completely unaware of the facts of the case. The Democrats have been entirely about getting out of Iraq, consequences be damned. In fact, that was their alleged “mandate” when they took over Congress two years ago.

    Their failure to accomplish anything doesn’t mean that those facts have changed in the slightest, so you don’t get to rewrite history just because history proves you wrong on so many issues.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  98. Idiot is an understatement Drum.

    Reply to Drum #98:

    March 23, 2003. Direct quote from Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Defense Secretary (at the time) and principle architect of Iraq War…..

    “The oiL revenues of that country could be between 50 and 100 billion dollars over the course of the next 2 or 3 years. We’re dealing with a country that can really finance it’s own reconstruction, and relatively soon.”

    Oiram (983921)

  99. We’re dealing with a country that can really finance it’s own reconstruction, and relatively soon.

    Finance its OWN reconstruction, and it is doing exactly that.

    But what you claimed was “But I guess since we were told that the oil in Iraq was going to pay for the war…

    There is a difference between the war and reconstruction.

    Nice try, though.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  100. Reconstruction of Iraq would of meant cheap oil being produced in Iraq.
    Are the million or so refugees fleeing back into Iraq?
    Do we have Christian and Jewish people living in Iraq once again the way they did under Sadam Hussein? (evil person, glad he’s gone) but reconstructed?

    Nice try on the “nice try” Drum.

    Oiram (983921)

  101. Reconstruction of Iraq would of meant cheap oil being produced in Iraq.

    First, “would have”. Or even “would’ve”.

    Second, I’m sure that Bush is deeply regretful that his magic wand was broken that week, and he couldn’t just wave his wand and make it all puppies and kittens and chocolate milk rivers that the Iraqis had under Saddam, but reconstruction is something that takes a while, and is dependent upon security on the ground. That is improving, but there are still people trying to kill innocent women and children in the name of their Moon God and his Pedophile Prophet.

    Third, in case you missed the link the other day (I’m pretending you are actually interested in facts, even though nothing you have done or said has indicated such an interest on your part in the past), Iraq is selling us 583,000 barrels of crude EVERY DAY.

    Lemme guess, you want them to just be giving us the oil, free of charge?

    Do we have Christian and Jewish people living in Iraq once again the way they did under Sadam Hussein?

    Sorry, what was that? I couldn’t hear you over the rustling of all that straw you’re packing…

    Are the million or so refugees fleeing back into Iraq?

    By the tens of thousands.

    (I know, more facts. I keep forgetting about your allergy…)

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  102. Oiram – Anybody say that apart from Wolfowitz?

    Your quote doesn’t say thew are going to pay for the war as you claimed now does it?

    How much oil have we taken out of Iraq so far?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  103. Until the people of this country vote out the Republicans & Democrates & elect a different party you will get the same crap in a different box

    rikicad (9a273c)

  104. Wolfowitz is part of the jewish criminal cartel that has infiltrated our Government. They got bush and his idiot group to do israel’s dirty work. After seeing what Israel did to the USS Liberty I laugh every time I hear of a rocket hitting them

    rikicad (9a273c)

  105. Same anti-Semitic crap under a different screen name.

    Icy Truth (242ec7)

  106. 104/105 we needs us a revolution to install the only man who can save america into white house. luap nor rules and the paulbots/paultards should disrupt the GOP convention. I fear the evil/stupid/genius BusHitler may try some kind of last minute marshal law/executive order crime to stay in power. I fear for many good people like Pinch at NY Times, Dan Rather, Olberdouche, Reid/Pelosi and even the esteemed Lightworker.
    If the Jooooooooooooos were able to blame Islam for their own zionist 911 conspiracy, there is little doubt they can and will do anything to retain power over the rest of us.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)


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