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7/29/2008

UPDATED: Look For Obama’s Poll Numbers To Get Worse The Next 2 or 3 Days

Filed under: General — WLS @ 12:32 am



[Posted by WLS]

UPDATE:   Obama’s lead in Gallup’s 3 Day tracking poll went as high as 9 points on Sunday, but its back to 6 points today, and Rasmussen’s 3 Day tracking poll is down to a lead of 1 after being as high as 6 points earlier.

Rasmussen’s analysis shows strong gains for Obama in its polling on Thur. and Fri. nights, but it completely evaporated on Sat., Sun. and Mon.   Blowback on the non-visit to Landstuhl?  Unease with the spectacle of the press fawning?  Discomfort with historical parallels to other German politicians that drew hundreds of thousands of people to events and chanted his name?

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That’s the only reason I can think of why the Obama campaign would had surrogates out in force today still trying to push back against the non-visit to Landstuhl Hospital — and doing rather poorly in my view.

They have even gone so far as to have the retired Chief of Medical Operations at Landstuhl fire back at “Black Hawk Down” pilot Paul Durant’s written statement today criticizing Obama.

Frankly, I don’t think the response “Well, he visited with troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, and he visited a Med. Evac. hospital in Iraq” are answers to the question about why he didn’t make a quiet trip with his security detachment to Landstuhl.

One of his surrogates was on Countdown earlier and his statement was, for all practical purposes, the following:  “When the campaign was told by the Pentagon that if Gen. Gration accompanied Sen. Obama it would be viewed as a political trip, the decision was made to cancel the trip rather than have the troops used as props in a campaign event.”

So, as they had it planned, the troops were to be props in a campaign event, until the Pentagon told them that was not allowed.

I’ll put up the exact quote tomorrow.

The fact that Obama is continuing to sent out surrogates to try and knock down this story — and given the fact that the “Ad” put out by the McCain campaign has only run a handful of times in 5 media markets — the Obama campaign is clearly worried that the attention being paid to this issue by the media is potential trouble for them in the polls.

Update:  Of all places, the NYT has a piece out on Tues going over this festering sore on Obama’s campaign, and comments on the curious fact that Obama’s surrogates were out on Monday still trying to knock it down.  Here’s the last two paragraphs:

If the story behind the story of the canceled troop visit has run its course, one question remains: Why didn’t Mr. Obama leave his aides behind, even the retired general, and make the visit by himself?

“Even him going alone would likely be characterized by some as a political event,” Mr. Gibbs said in an interview on Monday, adding, “He decided not to put the troops in that position.”

Gibbs was the surrogate on Countdown that I referred to above.  His langauge on Countdown was close to his quote here, but his final sentence was to the effect “He decided to not have the troops used as props in a political campaign.”

If this story persists beyond tomorrow, its beginng to reach Swift Boat territory — the risk is that it will begin to leave a lasting impression that Obama doesn’t rate wounded soldiers high enough on his priority list to make time for them.

51 Responses to “UPDATED: Look For Obama’s Poll Numbers To Get Worse The Next 2 or 3 Days”

  1. So, as they had it planned, the troops were to be props in a campaign event, until the Pentagon told them that was not allowed.

    So presumably this Obama character graduated from law school? Maybe he should hold another press conference to tell us why we don’t understand his baloney.

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  2. Obama should be hammered on this every day until the election. He was wrong and now they are making things even worse.

    Sara (3337ed)

  3. Obama’s people have the audacity to defend themselves by saying he visited with troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. As I recall, we saw plenty of photo-op, three-point shot moments from his media entourage during those “troop visits”. And when he wouldn’t be permitted the photo-ops and three-point shots, he refused to go because THAT would be politicizing the soldiers…This double-speak scumbum is a hypocrite among hypocrites.

    joe (6536ad)

  4. one of the guys over at Blackfive.net used to set up visits for VIP’s in Iraq. He says Obama’s story is “highly, highly, unlikely” and from his own experience spells out why..

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  5. From “Some details about Senior visits” at http://www.blackfive.net (go read the whole thing)

    “In BO’s case, it was HIGHLY, HIGHLY unlikely (to the point of absurdity) that someone ‘discovered it wasn’t good for it to appear campaign-like’ at the last second. He had something more important to do, and Landestuhl visit had to go. Period. No way in hell there was a one-hour ‘hole’ in his itinerary that someone tried to put a hospital visit into, and decided that wasn’t a good idea (one hour being a minimum for travel to, greets, exit, and travel to next stop). Unless he pulls it from his sleep/end-of-day schedule (read: sleeping), every minute is accounted for.

    The PAO, Protocol, DoS/Embassy reps, generals staff, CoS, all get into the coordinating details. INTENTLY. It would be reviewed by, at minimum, a 3-star general long before Obama left the US. So if any ‘problems’ were evident, someone would have found them- either in DoS, who would handle ALL movement, or DoD, who would handle the sites visited. Something smells, and it ain’t the schinkenkraut.”

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  6. I just watched a clip of Andrea Mitchell shilling for Obama’s excuse yesterday morning, and she fell back on the “he visited troops in Iraq, he’s been to Walter Reed, etc.”

    But none of them can address the question — raised by the NYT this morning — of why didn’t he just go without the retired General? The answers being offered are non-sequiturs to that question.

    The worst that would have come from him having made the trip would have been someone claiming he was politicizing the troops by visiting them during a political trip to Germany. His retort could have simply been “You would rather than I not visit them? That’s absurd.”

    I’m struggling with putting any venality in the decision-making — I just see it as a stupid and unnecessary self-inflicted wound.

    WLS (8b22c0)

  7. The bigger issue for him right now is the situation with the Western Wall.

    If that turns out to be the work of people in his campaign there wont be a bus big enough to contain the damage.

    daytrader (ea6549)

  8. I want to hear people claim that the 2-star wasn’t allowed in because he wasn’t a supporter of Bush.

    Come on kids, you know you wanna do it…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  9. When the Fort Hood FRG’s, and other groups associated with the military (like the support groups that all bases have) requested a town hall style meeting with both John McCain and Senator Obama in attendance, McCain quickly agreed to the date the Fort Hood groups suggested. They then contacted Senator Obama’s campaign and were told, right off the bat, that he could not attend due to “scheduling” committements. OK, said the military groups, we will work with you so give us another date and we will contact Senator McCain and try to change it. The Obama campaign told them “we will get back to you”. But of course, the Obama campaign never did get back to them.

    The Fort Hood group’s spokeswoman said that they have tried numerous times to arrange the debate. And have been spurned every time due to “scheduling” conflicts.

    Why this is important is because Fort Hood is the largest military installation in our nation. Combined military, family members and civilian work force borders 1/4 million Americans. Fort Hood is larger than most American towns. The Fort Hood group trying to organize this debate was going to hold it at the Belton, Tx. convention center. It holds 60,000 and I was told that the military support group was worried they would not have enough seats for all the military, family members and veterans that wanted to attend. I was also told that the group was doing everything it could to work with the Obama campaign on a date that would be convenient for the Senator. The spokeswoman of the group told reporters that the Obama campaign indicated that they he would be able to speak with them in November, AFTER the election.

    The Belton convention center is just about a hour from Dallas, 2 hours from Austin and under three hours from San Antonio. Considering the number of retired military that lives near the I-35 corridor, the number of bases located in San Antonio, this was middle ground for military and veterans to attend. This would have been a huge event and given the military, their families and veterans, a chance to ask questions during the Q & A period. The Fort Hood group spokeswoman said the McCain campaign told them “Just tell us when”.

    Due to the Fort Hood dustup, I have a problem buying the Obama campaign’s excused for why it did not visit Ramstein and Lundstuhl. Major Garret, of Fox News, said that the DOD had even waved the restriction on campaign planes landing at the military facilities.

    Senator Obama has a paid campaign staff of over 2,000. Are we to believe that no one on his staff was aware of DOD rules regarding campaigning candidates visiting military installations? Since his visit as Camp Arifjan, Kuwait was provided a military photographer, just as it would have been at Ramstein and Landstuhl, where was the problem in Germany?

    Basically, it seems that Maj. Gen. Gration got his Hanes in a wad over being considered a paid campaigner and raised a stink so Obama cancelled his visit. Which then poses the question; whose running the show for Senator Obama.

    So far I have counted at least five excuses for Obama’s no-show. The campaign should have stuck with the original story except that DOD decided not to take the slam lying down and came back with a different story.

    I am glad the Ramstein/Landstuhl trip is getting media attention because the MSM was not interested in reporting the Fort Hood snub.

    retire05 (67cd06)

  10. The bigger issue for him right now is the situation with the Western Wall.

    So true. And if it weren’t for that ridiculous presidential seal nonsense, I would never think that (even) Obama could stoop that low. But having the note distributed by some lackey? Definite possibility.

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  11. It holds 60,000 and I was told that the military support group was worried they would not have enough seats for all the military, family members and veterans that wanted to attend.

    I believe the Obots are beyond rescue. They’re committed to this turd. At this point, it’s going to be stories like this, illuminating for the independents and still-undecideds.

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  12. What a monumental choice:

    BHO is either a:
    Stupid POS Empty Suit; or,a
    Lying POS Empty Suit?

    We report – You decide!

    Popcorn, Hell – I need more meds!

    Another Drew (8018ee)

  13. I was just at Hot Air. Don’t you want to snap Obama’s neck? Snap it like a little wishbone.

    It’s sort of fascinating in its weakness.

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  14. What will be interesting is if Obama ever again visits any military hospital. Would that mean dissing the troops in Landstuhl was a mistake and from here on out he will visit the injured at every opportunity? I suspect there is a good possibility he will never visit troops again because someone will then ask “What’s the difference with this visit compared to Landstuhl?”

    Rich From Ann Arbor (a42df0)

  15. one of the guys over at Blackfive.net used to set up visits for VIP’s in Iraq. He says Obama’s story is “highly, highly, unlikely” and from his own experience spells out why..

    Blackfive’s “sources” have a track record of being undependable and flawed/partisan.

    Blackfive recklessly disseminated, now discredited and inaccurate email of, CPT Jeffrey S. Porter a soldier at Bagram air force base in Afghanistan, who claimed Sen. Obama “shunned” and “gave troops the blow off” and “disrespected” them.

    I read CPT Jeffrey S. Porter’s email and was shocked at his portrayal of Sen. Obama. It seemed out of character to me, but if true, certainly would make me re-think my opinion of the man.

    CPT Jeffrey S. Porter’s email turned out to be patently false and a hit job, disputed by both the military and his fellow soldiers. So I’m having trouble taking any of Blackfive stories or “sources” seriously at this point. CPT Jeffrey S. Porter’s email was disproved as false as he could not have had the knowledge that he claims says the military and his soldiers. CPT Jeffrey S. Porter has now asked that his email, not be used saying it was meant only for “family members”.

    As it went viral and appeared in hundreds of thousands of inboxes you have to wonder just how many “family members’ CPT Jeffrey S. Porter actually has…

    Peter (e70d1c)

  16. Beauchamp

    JD (5f0e11)

  17. What follows is speculative commentary and opinion:

    You know how a bullet can be traced to a certain gun? Or an explosive can be traced back to a manufacturer and country and factory?

    Well, the Jeffrey S. Porter “family email” that was sent to thousands of “family members” and presented as legitimate by Blackfive and other right-wing bloggers has the fingerprint of a certain bullet and the chemical signature of a certain explosives factory. It reeks of the intellectual gun behind the Swift Boat factory of political sleaze and smear.

    People by the same or similar group of fanatics and liars; it was the intention all along to portray the Senator from Illinois as “insensitive” and “uncaring” towards the troops… The CPT Porter hit job was carried out in unison with the Ramstein and Landstuhl Hospital situation to build up a false precedent for a pattern of disrespect towards the troops.

    It is admittedly disappointing that the Obama campaign after a triumphant ME and European tour and for reasons that aren’t clear yet, gave this opening to these sleazeballs. But it’s a small opening and really not one that holds much water, already abundant proof is forthcoming that he did visit with troops, and many soldiers found him to be gracious and genuinely curious of their jobs/missions and needs and thankful of the sacrifices they and their families are making. Some personal accounts of U.S. troops who encountered Obama can be read here. I’m sure more will be forthcoming.

    In the meanwhile, I hope CPT Jeffrey S. Porter is investigated and if there’s one email, one letter, one phone call that originates from anyone connected to the slimeworks/Swift boaters at the RNC (and there’s got to be something. The communications of American soldiers is the property of the U.S. Gov) the ensuing spectacle should be entertaining to say the least.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  18. Translation of Peter’s #17: Dear Leader Obama can do no wrong, so anyone criticizing his actions must either be 1) racist or 2) part of a vast right wing conspiracy.

    Apogee (186a12)

  19. I love how the term SwiftBoat has morphed into something where telling the truth has become a smear.

    JD (75f5c3)

  20. Translation of Peter’s #17: Dear Leader Obama can do no wrong, so anyone criticizing his actions must either be 1) racist or 2) part of a vast right wing conspiracy

    Translation of Apogee’s #18: 1.) The empty suit, muslim terrorist running for President must be stopped at all costs. 2.) Baracky Hussein Obama, has never done anything right, and will never do anything right. 3.) McCain is charismatic, intellectually compelling and not spending 80% of his time criticizing and smearing BHO, but working hard to define his vision for America and winning the presidency.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  21. It is racist to note that Baracky’s middle name is Hussein, or to insinuate that he is Muslim, NTTAWWT.

    JD (75f5c3)

  22. JD:

    I love how the term SwiftBoat has morphed into something where telling the truth has become a smear.

    CPT Jeffrey S. Porter is not telling the truth. The military has issued a statement confirming that. His fellow soldiers have confirmed that and CPT Jeffrey S. Porter has confirmed that himself.

    Like I said, one email, one phone call, one letter, fax, IM received by either him, or someone connected to him from anyone connected with the RNC or any of the Ratfuckers (you prefer that to Swift Boater) or right wing blog people and that is going to be one hell of an interesting news cycle.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  23. It is racist to note that Baracky’s middle name is Hussein, or to insinuate that he is Muslim,

    Yes, it was wrong of me to limit Apogee’s thought processes or speak for him, wasn’t it?

    Peter (e70d1c)

  24. Correction:

    Yes, it was wrong for me to limit Apogee’s thought processes or speak translate for him, wasn’t it?

    Peter (e70d1c)

  25. I think Cpt Porter has admitted that he sent the orginianl email, and that it was filled with second hand info that he hadn’t confirmed, and later found out was untrue. He asked the Army to delete the email from all Army servers (if possible) because it contained false info that he believed to be true at the time he sent it.

    WLS (8b22c0)

  26. Yes, it was wrong for me to limit Apogee’s thought processes or speak translate for him, wasn’t it?

    Peter (e70d1c)

  27. Translation of Apogee’s #18

    You need to stop putting words into people’s mouths. Not once did he mention “muslim” or “terrorist”.

    It is amazing that the people that most often link Sen Obama with those words are liberals.

    But Obama is indeed an empty suit who, while he may not be unable to do anything right has rarely done anything, period… Half his time in elected office has been trying to get into the next highest one.

    Ratfuckers

    If you enjoy commenting here, you should be pretty thankful I don’t have moderating privelages…

    Because you’d be down the memory hole, bubba…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  28. You need to stop putting words into people’s mouths.

    Do you not see the hypocrisy in that sentence?

    Peter (e70d1c)

  29. Insinuating racism where it does not exist is the living definition of that term, bub.

    That you fail to see the irony I pointed out does not surprise, however.

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  30. The usual vapidity from Peter today.

    JD (75f5c3)

  31. Scott Jacobs:

    Ratfuckers

    If you enjoy commenting here, you should be pretty thankful I don’t have moderating privelages…

    Why?

    This is an old and accepted term for right wing political black ops.

    Ratfucking is an American slang term for political sabotage or dirty tricks. It was first brought to public attention by Boob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in their book All the President’s Men.

    Apologies if I offended anyone, I thought it would be known (especially on a political blog) what the term applied to and where it originated.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  32. Peter,

    Your mistake is the assumption that we all agree the Swift Boat Veterans were dirty tricksters. We don’t.

    DRJ (0af395)

  33. That you fail to see the irony I pointed out does not surprise, however.

    That you fail to see Apogee’s translation of my commentary into right-wing speak, the very apotheosis of that which you complain about, towards me, yet perserverate with this line of reasoning, uncovers a lack of objectivity and makes you ill equipped to talk about insinuation, rascism or irony.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  34. DRJ:

    Your mistake is the assumption that we all agree the Swift Boat Veterans were dirty tricksters. We don’t.

    Point taken.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  35. Peter – The comments by the soldiers at snopes don’t list the bases at which they are stationed. Are any of them in fact at Bagram?

    The photos of Obama shaking hads with troops are also not captioned. Were any of them actually taken at Bagram?

    The debunking which you claim does not seem as complete as you think kiddo.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  36. Racingists.

    love2008 (0c8c2c)

  37. #35 DaleyRocks:

    Peter – The comments by the soldiers at snopes don’t list the bases at which they are stationed. Are any of them in fact at Bagram?

    Army Times:
    “These comments [in Capt. Jeffrey S. Porter’s email] are inappropriate and factually incorrect,” Bagram spokesman Lt. Col. Rumi Nielson-Green told the New York Daily News.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  38. Peter

    You changed the subject on me.
    A guy with personal experience in VIP visits (#1 guy in Iraq at one time) relayed that in his experience (note repeated word “experience”) Obama’s claim was unlikely.
    Things might be different in Afghanistan or Germany.

    You switched to an email that went viral… as if that hasn’t happened to anyone before

    SteveG (71dc6f)

  39. Peter – You seem to make a lot of assumptions.

    Your answer to my #18 was to completely mischaracterize my statement. Nice try.

    Do you dispute that your #17 made implications that the origin of the email was the product of an organized conspiracy by right wing groups?

    (as for the racist thing – you didn’t imply that in your letter – I just threw it in for JD, who has his own sub-narrative regarding that in this campaign)

    The constant drumbeat of conspiratorial talk is laughable. The childish assumption that only those on the right are attempting to control the narrative in a Presidential campaign requires a level of un-sophistication bordering on paranoia. It may make one feel better that ‘they’ (the bad guys) are trying to ‘get’ your favorite candidate (the good guy), but I find it intellectually restrictive to attempt to hold that fantasy in my head. The mental gymnastics are counterproductive, and only lead to a downward spiral of irrationality.

    Apogee (186a12)

  40. Apogee – You do understand the genesis of my “racist” comments, no?

    JD (5f0e11)

  41. Apogee:

    Your answer to my #18 was to completely mischaracterize my statement. Nice try.

    I did that to #18, because it was a complete mischaracterization of my #17. Not so nice.

    Do you dispute that your #17 made implications that the origin of the email was the product of an organized conspiracy by right wing groups

    No. I don’t. But that wasn’t all I said, and your “translation” reduced it down to three aspects: 1. I think Obama is an omnipotent being incapable of being wrong. (dismissive and condescending) 2. There’s a vast right wing conspiracy (dismissive and reductive) and 3. It’s driven by racism (dismissive and insulting to both of us).


    You seem to make a lot of assumptions.

    The assumptions I made in comment #20 were based on the logic driving your comment #18 (what’s good for the goose and all that…). I just returned it in kind. Not, such a hard game to play. And not nice. No one wants to be reduced to a two dimensional stereotype.

    The childish assumption that only those on the right are attempting to control the narrative in a Presidential campaign requires a level of un-sophistication bordering on paranoia.

    I don’t think only the Right is “attempting to control the narrative.” But smears are more than that. They’re political bombs that cheapen the whole process and are, frankly, beneath contempt. The Right has an established pattern of smears and disinformation. Going back decades. And they do contain an identifiable fingerprint. And as I said at the begin of my comment: It was speculation and opinion.

    Some, like DRJ, believe the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth acted honorably and truthfully. As I said point taken, but I disagree. I was trying to say that I see similar tactics attempting to raise their heads in this race:

    A Captain at Bagram pens a bogus email, gets caught and backpedals saying he had “bad sources” (yet he believed in them enough to make incredibly damning assumptions (there’s that word again) and pronouncements on the character of a man he obviously knows very little about, and finally he gives the weakest lie in that it was “for his family”, yet it goes viral in record time. But maybe that’s not his fault. The right wing blogs are basically eating their hearts out with desperation looking for that elusive silver bullet and maybe he was acting alone. But then I would say that even Captain Jeffrey S. Porter, documented liar, is able to reverse engineer the tactics of Swift-boating and use them for selfish (and distorted) gain. So if this wasn’t an organized hit job, than there must be an identifiable finger print of the technique that any slimeball can latch onto.

    But if you don’t think there’s people connected to the RNC, and to McCain’s campaign orchestrating bigger and bigger hit jobs I think you might be a bit naive. All he does, it seems is attack Obama. While Obama meets world leaders, soldiers, talks to generals and economic policy experts (Bernanke and Paulson today). Gains their trust. listens to their thoughts and ideas on how to improve things. Basically he acts like a President in training, while JM acts like a jealous little rich entitled kid who can’t stop whining about the other kid in his class who works twice as hard as him and gets all the gold stars.

    (Alright, I know I’ve committed blasphemy. Let the insults commence in 3…2…1…)

    Peter (e70d1c)

  42. And I don’t even think JM wants to act that way and attack, attack attack… I remember the guy being a fairly interesting, unique and accomplished politician who usually rises above that nonsense. I just think that he’s being told, by his expert handlers that he needs to do if he wants to become President. And so it’s difficult to respect someone going against his better nature. He’s basically selling his soul to try and become President. He won’t be the first I guess.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  43. All he does, it seems is attack Obama.

    Name a single “attack” that wasn’t based in reality. (Y’see, the term “swift-boating” has been the subject of a massive spin attempt by those who supported John Kerry, and is now being used as a synonym for “smearing attacks that have no basis in fact”.

    One small problem you fail to mention in your use of that term.

    Not a single statement made by the Swift-Boat veterans was ever disproven, by either official record or sworn statement. However, several of Kerry’s statements about his extremely abbreviated time in-country have been proven false. He has still not released his military records, and we’re four years in…

    So when you use the word, you intend it to be an attack, yet the facts don’t bear out the use.

    And as far as Obama criticisms, not a single one has been either disproven or based on any kind of distortion of the record.

    The incident in Germany – where his 2-star campaign aide got his Speedos in a Gordian pickle and canceled the visit – could VERY easily have been handled in such a way as to benefit the candidate.

    He should have said, “Guys, this is important, and I’ll be back in a few hours. Hang out, get some deli, and pinch the hausfraus.”

    EVEN IF HE DIDN’T MEAN IT. If any questions were asked, he could have quietly offered a “no comment and a quiet smile, or what WLS said above. Even if he couldn’t remember a single word that was said, or a single face that he saw, he would have scored BIG points by not trying to.

    That is, if he gave a crap about the military. Somebody has doubtless told him that the military breaks about 90-10 Republican, and so he wrote them off, since he – as a politician – doesn’t see them as Americans doing an honorable and nasty and dangerous job, but as a voting bloc he can never win.

    So he went and worked out instead.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  44. So he went and worked out instead.

    I hear he also went out on the town and was feted and had a martini.

    Peter (e70d1c)

  45. That’s as may be, I don’t know. I DO know that he didn’t go out and see the troops.

    Whatever the reason, the fact that he decided to cancel speaks much to his detriment. The fact that he decided to cancel after he was told he couldn’t bring his campaign staff (but had to come as a mere Senator) speaks VOLUMES about his character, and none of it helpful or complimentary.

    The fact that he tried to blame it on the military (whereupon the Pentagon decided to release the true story) means only that you would immediately pop up with a “no story here, look over there, what does it matter anyway” defense you try to be so efficient at.

    However, you are like a kitten trying to cover up on a tile floor. Everyone who walks in can tell what you are doing. Worse, they can tell why.

    The First Rule Of Holes: When you find yourself at the bottom of one, STOP DIGGING!

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  46. Peter @37 – Yeah, I read the same thing you did. It said he didn’t go to the clamshell or play basketball. Was anything else incorrect? It didn’t say? It doesn’t address my questions about Bagram, does it?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  47. like a kitten trying to cover up on a tile floor. Everyone who walks in can tell what you are doing.

    Drum – rugs are worse than tile. No hiding anything there. Just sayin’.

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  48. yeah, but rugs are absorbent and if it’s a dark color anyway, the first time you’ll find the pee spot will be when you step in it. With socks on, of course, since Murphy’s Law rules the multiverses.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  49. Cat mess in a rug is a lot like Obama. It gets in there and smooshes itself in despite your attempts to clean the stink. And the smell lingers. It’s tile hands down, baby. /s

    Love you, love your posts.

    Vermont Neighbor (31ccb6)

  50. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE??

    FIFTEEN military and veteran service organizations came together to invite McCain and Obama to a town hall outside of Fort Hood for our service members and families. They had CBS signed on to produce and broadcast it NATIONALLY and live during primetime. McCain committed. Obama did not.

    Obama’s staff, in fact, completely blew off the organizers. They were NEVER interested in the event, from the very beginning. They had NO DESIRE to meet with these service members and families and wounded warriors.

    Doesn’t anyone want to even know WHAT the reason is that he couldn’t attend??

    Apparently Obama wants to spend that day with his family. Well, tens of thousands of families at Fort Hood would like to spend time with their families but they can’t and they haven’t for YEARS because of repeated 12 to 15 month deployments in COMBAT ZONES. These are the families that he couldn’t be bothered to meet with.

    And you know what? The main person organizing it won’t go public with this little gem of info. Not that the main stream media is covering the fort hood event and the fact that obama blew it off anyway…

    Gabrielle (blue star wife) (1445b2)

  51. Response to DaleyRocks #46:

    You mean as to whether he shook hands with soldiers at Bagram Air Force Base? Did you see the photo on that Army Times piece. Okay so he posed with soldiers from Bagram AF base but didn’t shake their hands. Is that what you’re saying?

    And if you can’t trust Lt. Col. Rumi Nielson-Green, the spokesperson for Bagram, who can you trust?

    Maybe shoot Lt. Col. Rumi Nielson-Green an email? See what the Lt. Col Nielson-Green has to say? Honestly, and no offense, but I’m just not sure what else there is to talk about here.

    Peter (e70d1c)


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