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6/1/2008

What an Obama Administration Will Look Like: Wrap Yourself in Your Most Secure Straitjacket Before You Read Any Further

Filed under: 2008 Election,General — Patterico @ 2:03 pm

A Telegraph story about the possibility of a dignified exit for Hillary, perhaps with an offer of a Cabinet position, has this passage:

Another Democrat who has discussed strategy with friends in the Obama inner circle said that Mr Obama was openly considering asking Mrs Clinton to join his cabinet, alongside two other former presidential rivals: John Edwards, who is seen as a likely attorney general; and Joe Biden, who is a leading contender to become Secretary of State.

Mr Obama hinted at the plan last week. “One of my heroes is Abraham Lincoln,” he said. “Lincoln basically pulled in all the people who had been running against him into his cabinet because whatever personal feelings there were, the issue was ‘how can we get this country through this time of crisis?’ And I think that has to be the approach that one takes.”

(Via Tully at Stubborn Facts.)

Now, it’s not really news that Obama has been considering John Edwards for Attorney General. Nor is it news that Obama has been considering Joe Biden for Secretary of State.

Still, there’s something about seeing those two possibilities together on your computer screen, together, mentioned as a very real possibility . . .

I don’t know. It kind of makes you want to curl up into a fetal position and whimper incoherently.

Or maybe run out of the house into the street, pulling huge tufts of hair from your head as you scream hysterically: “OBAMA IS TALKING ABOUT MAKING JOHN EDWARDS THE [expletive deleted]ING ATTORNEY GENERAL!! OBAMA IS TALKING ABOUT MAKING JOE [expletive deleted]ING BIDEN the GOD[expletive deleted] MOTHER[expletive deleted]ING SECRETARY OF STATE!!!! HOLY MOTHER OF CHRIST, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY!!!! AHHH!!! AHHHH!!!!”

Because that would be the rational response.

Instead, I find myself just sitting here at my computer calmly typing out a post about these possibilities.

Now that’s crazy!

UPDATE: I was screaming so hysterically that I mislabeled Edwards as the putative Secretary of State in my screaming rant. Thanks to a commenter for pointing it out. Man, this is a bad day for brain freezes.

78 Responses to “What an Obama Administration Will Look Like: Wrap Yourself in Your Most Secure Straitjacket Before You Read Any Further”

  1. The scary part is: After the past couple of weeks, I’m not sure Senator Edwards wouldn’t be better than Senator Obama at diplomacy.

    Al (b624ac)

  2. Want your head to really explode, Patterico?:

    David Ehrenstein as head of the National Endowment for the Arts.

    :-)

    qdpsteve (cd214a)

  3. So, he’ll be drafting McCain for … Secretary of Defense?

    Marshall (19f225)

  4. Pete Stark for Homeland Security

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  5. Obama will put Hillary in charge of health care then tank any bill she dreams up. End of challenge.

    Biden for State? Not Oprah?

    Patricia (f56a97)

  6. There has to be a prominent role in an Obama administration for my eteemed Congress critter Bobby Wexler. Bob says its time to move on from the Trinity church brouhaha and stop wasting time when there are really serious topics to consider. Naturally my Jewish neighbors seem to put great stock in the assurances of Wexler than Obama be the man and will look out for Jewish interest and will prevent Iran attacking Israel. Right.
    Stanley Kurtz at NRO seems to be doing a bang up job on investigating Barack’s unsavory connections, but I’ve heard zilch in media about Obama’s affinity for ACORN far leftists.

    madmax333 (c4102c)

  7. Seward and Lincoln were enemies, but Seward had one quality Biden can’t hope to have, competence. Lincoln and Seward worked well together for one good reason, both were professionals.

    As Abe might put it, “I knew William Henry Seward, I worked with William Henry Seward. William Henry Seward was a friend of mine. You, Mr. Biden, are no William Henry Seward.”

    Alan Kellogg (515edc)

  8. I SO look forward the long condescending speeches Joe Biden will be giving in front of the U.N. General Assembly as S.O.S. There won’t be an open eye in the house once he’s finished with them.

    hopperbach (09f474)

  9. I SO look forward the long condescending speeches Joe Biden will be giving in front of the U.N. General Assembly as S.O.S. There won’t be an open eye in the house once he’s finished with them.

    And it will turn out that they were all nicked from Clement Attlee speeches back in the 1940s.

    Seriously, though, if John Edwards is indeed nominated for Attorney General I hereby vow never to support any Republican Senator who votes in favor of his confirmation. Hopefully we will not have to face that possibility.

    JVW (78155f)

  10. On the bright side, that can only happen if he gets elected.

    Tully (e4a26d)

  11. It’s not good news but Biden is about the most competent Democratic candidate this year. Back in English history, there was a “cabinet of no talents” when Canning and Castlereagh fought a duel. Obama is no Canning although Hillary might be a Castlereagh in drag. An Obama presidency would be a disaster but, hopefully, the American public is wiser than the college educated Obama supporters. Buckley had it right when he said he would rather be governed by the first 100 names in the Cambridge phone book than by the Harvard faculty.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  12. [Idiot comment deleted and user banned. -- P]

    Allyson Whitey (caee92)

  13. scream hysterically: “OBAMA IS TALKING ABOUT MAKING JOHN EDWARDS THE [expletive deleted]ING SECRETARY OF STATE!!!

    Granted, you’re screaming hysterically, but I think you mean THE ATTORNEY [expletive deleted]ING GENERAL!!!

    sierra (cb14a5)

  14. #12
    Very serious allegations you make here Whitey. Do you have evidence to back it up? (That is apart from your grandfather’s bible). Who are these mysterious “Five African American Women” you speak of? Do you have proof? Give me something!

    love2008 (5189d2)

  15. Add to the mix: Bill Richardson as the [expletive deleted] Secretary of Defense.

    Lock and load.

    retire05 (5af99b)

  16. Will there be any room for the NBC anchors and staff?

    Rudedaddy (660b98)

  17. What will Rev. Wrights position be? Can’t we just all get along?

    Rudedaddy (660b98)

  18. I wouldn’t count any rumors as more than that: rumors. And they appear to be scurrilous – designed to damage without reference to reality.

    steve miller (7538f1)

  19. #15
    Add to the mix: Bill Richardson as the [expletive deleted] Secretary of Defense
    I think Bill Richardson will do much better with women affairs division. (If they have to create one for him). He knows a thing or two about the ladies I hear. Then he has to keep the beard.

    love2008 (5189d2)

  20. How could it be worse than George Bush? How could John Edwards turn the Department of Justice into even more of a joke? How could Joe Biden be a more ineffectual Secretary of State than Condi? The people that have these jobs now are some of the worst in our country’s history, how could it get worse? How do you possibly top the dumbest war of all time and crafting legal arguments for torture?

    Also, CAPS LOCK IS A GOOD WAY TO MAKE A POST AS SUBSTANCE-FREE AS THIS ONE SEEM EVEN DUMBER!

    Levi (76ef55)

  21. Yeah those Bush cabinet members sure dropped the ball since we’ve been attacked repeated on our home soil since 9/11. Boy they must be the worst ever right Levi? They should have made nice with the rest of the world and weakened our world power position right? The USA is so evil we need to be put in check right Levi? The should have given China more of our national security secrets right Levi?

    Rudedaddy (660b98)

  22. Please defend your dumbest war ever reference. I would love to hear it Levi. Pounding enemies for playing BS games with weapons of mass destruction inspections is what the post 9/11 commander and chief should be doing. Playing nice in the world community will get more Americans at home dead. Taking the offensive position with dictators that are playing BS games is exactly what we need more of . Not appeasement play nice tactics.

    Rudedaddy (660b98)

  23. Please defend your dumbest war ever reference. I would love to hear it Levi. Pounding enemies for playing BS games with weapons of mass destruction inspections is what the post 9/11 commander and chief should be doing. Playing nice in the world community will get more Americans at home dead. Taking the offensive position with dictators that are playing BS games is exactly what we need more of . Not appeasement play nice tactics.

    I think you answered your own question there. Playing ‘BS games’ is precisely what Saddam was doing, and the fact that George Bush fell for them isn’t something to be proud of. It’s like Bush went all in with a two and a five against the short stack of chips. I can list all of the costs of this war, the dead soldiers, the wounded soldiers, the wasted billions, the lost billions, the loss of credibility, the loss of the moral high ground, the general pointlessness of it all and five plus years of unnaccomplishment, and on and on, and all you morons ever have to say is ‘Well at least Saddam is in a hole in the ground! We’ll put a boot in yer ass! Yeehaw TOBY KEITH RULES!’

    You quite obviously have a problem assigning value to things and events. There is absolutely nothing to show for this war, even a dead Saddam is meaningless, because we can’t run things in that country even as well as he did, yet you hold his execution up as worth 500 billion dollars and 4,000 dead Americans. Really? Killing some impotent third-rate dictator of a puny backwater of a country who was about to die of old age anyway is worth all of this blood and money, not to mention that we now have a whole country we know nothing about that we’re entirely responsible for?

    You suck at math.

    Levi (76ef55)

  24. Yeah your right Levi we should of not got involved in WWII either. It was not worth the loss of military soldiers lives. We should just sit back and wait right. Going to Iraq was going on the offensive and showing other dictators that encourage terrorist acts that we don’t stand by and wait till something else bites us in the ass. The only reason why Iraq is considered a “failure” is political posturing. Many had the same thoughts about WWII at the time. The loss of US service men does not even compare. Many like to see what they want from the unbiased media. History will show different even if you want the USA to fail because we are the evil empire that needs to pay for all of our evil doings. Math has nothing to do with it even though some applaud every increase in US loss of US life. You right Bush did not give Saddam enough chances, he did not get UN resolutions, he did not get a senate yes vote. No one else at that time thought going to war was justified. Its funny to see how history is distorted or ignored. Some people like to take one in the ass before they wake up. Then they forget and wait for the other foot.

    Rudedaddy (660b98)

  25. Moral high ground, credibility give me a break. The UN is standing by as we speak ignoring what is happening in “Burma” because they don’t want to hurt anyones feelings. We are the USA we are the dominate force in this world, we are responsible for more acts of charity and worldwide support than any and all others. We don’t need the stand by do nothing world communities approval. What a pathetic wanting attitude. Please like me, I wont do anything because it might hurt your feelings. Give me a break. Blatant enemies only respond to getting crushed. I guess you think we should find a creative way of talking to all of the world enemies. I’m everyone will play nice. How juvenile ,grow up welcome to the real world bud.

    Rudedaddy (660b98)

  26. Granted, you’re screaming hysterically, but I think you mean THE ATTORNEY [expletive deleted]ING GENERAL!!!

    Sierra, you are correct. That’s what happens when you’re screaming hysterically. I fixed it; thanks.

    Patterico (cb443b)

  27. Gee, you’re so right, Patterico. I mean, how John Edwards could ever hope to join the esteemed ranks of John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzalez is beyond me…

    That you haven’t been in a fetal position already over the last 8 years is what surprises me.

    Tom (9e67bd)

  28. John Edwards is an ambulance chasing huckster who made a fortune spouting junk science to gullible juries. He’s without one minute of experience on matters of constitutional law, criminal law, or national security law.

    He managed to get himself elected to one term in the Senate and it was widely believed that had he not been asked by Kerry to be his VP candidate, he would have lost his bid for reelection if he had chosen to run.

    While you might not think much of Ashcroft or Gonzalez, they were both imminently more qualified by their experience for the office than is Edwards.

    In fact, John Ashcroft is probably one of the smartest AG’s we’ve had in the past 100 years.

    wls (ec2de1)

  29. I’m not discounting Ashcroft and Gonzalez on behalf of brains or experience. But after those two, I’d trade some of that experience for an AG with an iota (or more!) of integrity. You know, the type who actually won’t break the law for the sake of partisan politics. Or one who will uphold our Constitutional protections instead of perform acrobatics for the purpose of circumventing them. Maybe even one who holds the crazy belief that torture is morally wrong…

    Tom (9e67bd)

  30. Levi wrote: How could it be worse than George Bush? How could John Edwards turn the Department of Justice into even more of a joke? How could Joe Biden be a more ineffectual Secretary of State than Condi? The people that have these jobs now are some of the worst in our country’s history, how could it get worse? How do you possibly top the dumbest war of all time and crafting legal arguments for torture?

    How can it be worse? Two words: Barack Obama.

    Not enough for you? Let me put it another way: Jimmy Carter with a tan.

    Still don’t get it? Try this: Jimmy Carter with a tan and without a lick of executive or military experience and only two years in Washington.

    When Nixon resigned in disgrace, people were echoing your sentiments: “How could it be worse?” Ford lost by a whisker to Carter, and we found out. As disenchanted as Americans were in the aftermath of Watergate, things got so bad on every front that a minor league hockey player named Mike Eruzione was able to instill pride in the nation that the President couldn’t.

    “Historians” continue to be surveyed who say that Bush is the worst President ever. Bull, chicken, horse — pick your crap. Unless they are measuring solely by the number of war dead (in toto, fewer than than many individual battles in WWII or Vietnam), there is no objective measure by which young Bush will leave the country in worse shape than Carter did. At no point during the W. Bush years has this nation suffered through double-digit interest rates, double-digit unemployment rates, and double-digit inflation. You either weren’t there for that, or are too young to remember. I was, and I ain’t.

    Whichever blunders Bush has made during his turn as POTUS, they will likely continue to be dwarfed by Carter’s biggest one of all: in shunning the Shah of Iran, he cleared the way for Ayatollah Khomeini to gain a foothold for Islamist state terror. We’ve been living with the consequences ever since. Personnel-wise, Carter handed important positions to incompetents like Andrew Young, UN Ambassador (who said that Khomeini “would eventually be hailed as a saint”) and William Sullivan, the ambassador to Iran, who said that Khomeini was “a Gandhi-like figure.” Obama has all but promised to be bring that naivete back to D.C.

    And regarding “torture,” I have already told you that we know for a certainty that waterboarding Khalid Sheik Muhammad has prevented post-9/11 terrorist attacks, and that will remain a fact whether or not you acknowledge it. But if Bush hadn’t been able to prevent them, you would be moaning about that too.

    You don’t have anything even close to historical perspective if you say something as silly as “How could it be worse?” All of us who have been paying attention for more than three or four administrations know: It can ALWAYS be worse.

    L.N. Smithee (5fef25)

  31. How can it be worse? Two words: Barack Obama.

    Not enough for you? Let me put it another way: Jimmy Carter with a tan.

    Still don’t get it? Try this: Jimmy Carter with a tan and without a lick of executive or military experience and only two years in Washington.

    OMG, that is like, soooooooo convincing! What an argument! Barack Obama is going to be worse than George Bush because of Jimmy Carter! That’s airtight man! Airtight! Argument of the year? I do submit that it is!

    And regarding “torture,” I have already told you that we know for a certainty that waterboarding Khalid Sheik Muhammad has prevented post-9/11 terrorist attacks, and that will remain a fact whether or not you acknowledge it.

    Who told you about this ‘fact,’ Mr. Smithee? It really seems like it has never occurred to you that this administration could be lying about things like torture.

    Tell me, if the President actually were torturing people, just pretend like that was the case for the sake of argument, would he have more to gain politically by telling the entire truth about his torture policies, or would he have more to gain by lying about it?

    But if Bush hadn’t been able to prevent them, you would be moaning about that too.

    He didn’t prevent 9-11, did he?

    How can you guys run around for all these years, praising George Bush for all the terror attacks he’s stopped, pretending like he has some impeccable record, when he was presiding over the worst terrorist attack in the history of the world? Can you explain to me why he gets a pass for that? Further, can you say that if such an attack were to happen in the first year of a hypothetical President Obama’s term, you will afford him the same wiggle room?

    Levi (76ef55)

  32. I’m not discounting Ashcroft and Gonzalez on behalf of brains or experience. But after those two, I’d trade some of that experience for an AG with an iota (or more!) of integrity.

    Unless you think “integrity” means “my kind of partisanship rather than yours,” I’m frankly at a loss as to what kind of “integrity” you can possibly think John Edwards has but John Ashcroft lacks.

    You know, the type who actually won’t break the law for the sake of partisan politics.

    You’ve yet to provide a shred of evidence that either Ashcroft or Gonzalez has done any such thing. Edwards came the closest of the three, by encouraging John Kerry to mount frivolous challenges to the Ohio election they had lost fair and square. Fortunately, Kerry didn’t take the bait, but that speaks to Kerry’s integrity, not Edwards’s.

    Or one who will uphold our Constitutional protections instead of perform acrobatics for the purpose of circumventing them.

    Who is the “we” behind “our” constitutional protections? Are you an al Qaeda member yourself? If not, what constitutional protections of yours have been violated, and isn’t it cool having Internet access in your forced labor camp?

    Maybe even one who holds the crazy belief that torture is morally wrong…

    Oh, I get it. What you really want is a moral midget who would rather allow the next 9-11 to occur than risk making anyone feel too uncomfortable. Some of us have different priorities.

    Xrlq (62cad4)

  33. How can you guys run around for all these years, praising George Bush for all the terror attacks he’s stopped, pretending like he has some impeccable record, when he was presiding over the worst terrorist attack in the history of the world? Can you explain to me why he gets a pass for that?

    No one can explain anything to you, Levi, because you are retarded. On the off chance that anyone who isn’t retarded has the same question and is reading this thread, the answer is because there is nothing Bush could have reasonably done to prevent it. Maybe if Gorelick’s wall had been torn down long before, the right people might have been able to put two and two together before it was too late. But all Bush’s CIA (which was also Clinton’s, in case you’ve forgotten) had was an historical memo stating that Bin Laden was determined to do bad stuff against the U.S. at some time, somewhere in the world.

    Further, can you say that if such an attack were to happen in the first year of a hypothetical President Obama’s term, you will afford him the same wiggle room?

    If it happens under similar circumstances, yes. For example, if that attack has already been in the works for a year or two, and remains undetected until it finally happens late next year, I’d consider that to be more of a failure of the current administration than of the next one. OTOH, if we later learn that the new administration caught the next KSM, who could have spilled the beans in time to stop the attack but never did because of the new President’s pusillanimous attitude toward coercive interrogation, then I will indeed blame the next administration (whether McCain, Obama or Clinton) for failing to do everything it could.

    Xrlq (62cad4)

  34. You’ve yet to provide a shred of evidence that either Ashcroft or Gonzalez has done any such thing.

    The Inspector General of the Justice Department just this month released a report of his internal investigation of the DoJ under Bush and the development and implementation of torture policies.

    You want proof? How about 300+ pages worth?

    http://www.aclu.org/safefree/torture/35402lgl20080520.html

    Now that’s a lot of reading, so here’s a better example that simply yet vividly illustrates how deceptive this administration really is. Look at the picture here:

    http://blog.aclu.org/2008/05/28/knee-jerk-redaction/

    I recommend clicking on the PDF file and just skimming through that puppy. What do you think is going on under all that black, hmmm?

    Levi (76ef55)

  35. He didn’t prevent 9-11, did he?

    According to you, Levi, he allowed it to happen. Don’t run away from your prior positions.

    JD (75f5c3)

  36. The understanding of what an Obama cabinet would look like must be first infused with the knowledge of what moves him,

    here

    Stanley Kurtz once again outlines everything I have been saying for weeks now.

    You will get a Carter/Brzezinski deconstruction of our alliance with Israel.

    You will get a VERY hard left social deconstruction of our economy, an “overhaul” against corporate America, the white middle class and EVERYONE above middle class.

    Radical leftism is the engine, white guilt is the gasoline, and black liberation theology is the catalytic converter.

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  37. “the dumbest war of all time”
    The dumbest statement of all time?

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  38. “The people that have these jobs now are some of the worst in our country’s history, how could it get worse?”
    I would like to see a carefully crafted and reasonably argued analysis and critique of the Attorneys General and Secretaries of State of every administration, a comparative study, and in the end, the rationale behind yet another pissing-in-my-training pants, intellectually vapid, cry of hysteria from he who demands detail and fact.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  39. The understanding of what an Obama cabinet would look like must be first infused with the knowledge of what moves him

    Ah yes, and you cfbleachers are more than qualified to impart such wisdom, aren’t you? Because you can list things! And you know how string theory means that two comments uttered 6 years apart provide context to one another!

    Levi (76ef55)

  40. Levi is a sad small pathetic little person.

    JD (5f0e11)

  41. I would like to see a carefully crafted and reasonably argued analysis and critique of the Attorneys General and Secretaries of State of every administration, a comparative study, and in the end, the rationale behind yet another pissing-in-my-training pants, intellectually vapid, cry of hysteria from he who demands detail and fact.

    I don’t need to know anything about any of the Attorney Generals in the history of the United States to know that Alberto Gonzalez and Mike Mukasey are two of the worst. I’ve seen Gonzalez testify in front of Congress, he is a bona fide moron and a proven liar that tried to get a doped up Ashcroft to sign off on some secret plan that was so patently illegal that even John Ashcroft thought it was the wrong thing to do. I’ve seen Mukasey go on TV crying crocodile tears about 9-11 as he breathlessly makes shit up about the attacks, Afghanistan, and the FISA courts.

    The DoJ is a laughing stock, they won’t investigate the rampant fraud in Iraq, the numerous crimes committed by American contractors in Iraq, the war profiteering and negligence by Cheney’s and Bush’s buddies’ companies that has killed Americans in Iraq, and they’ve actually made the case that the President is bound by no laws, international or Constitutional, as long as he feels he is ‘keeping us safe.’

    Allow me to re-link to the Inspector General of the DoJ’s recently released report on how crappy a job his department is doing so you can ignore it again.

    http://www.aclu.org/safefree/torture/35402lgl20080520.html

    Levi (76ef55)

  42. Here’s a link for you, Levi.

    Not. Even. Close.

    Levi (76ef55)

  43. History? I don’t need no steenkin history. I just make it up as I go along.

    Levi's fevered mind (5f0e11)

  44. Given John Edwards’ ability to channel dead people, Baracky should appoint him to be the Head of the Psychic Friends Network.

    JD (5f0e11)

  45. Ah yes, and you cfbleachers are more than qualified to impart such wisdom, aren’t you? Because you can list things! And you know how string theory means that two comments uttered 6 years apart provide context to one another!

    Actually, I’m happy to …you know…actually research a person BEFORE he is granted a halo and declare that he sends “chills and tingles up my leg”.

    And, while it is well beyond any comprehension level you have exhibited to date…the issue of time as a dimension…and how looking at time from a different perspective can alter results and conclusions…is pretty well accepted by all the “leading scientists”.

    What we “know” to be absolutely true about the universe around us…changes…when we are given the ability to view it from a deeper time perspective. If you start at “Point X” in time…you may come to the conclusion of the Big Bang…and view it as a singular event.

    If you are granted a view BEFORE the Big Bang…where it is not the beginning event, but is actually a RESPONSE to an event that had been building for some time…and that there have likely been a number of similar events…it changes your view of time, and all the conclusions that follow.

    For Sen. Obama…you and lovie and all the other Apologist Apostles wish to view Jeremiah Wright’s statements as the isolated seminal event. The Big Bang…and therefore want to come to the conclusion that Sen. Obama’s connectivity to the “event” is tenuous and “manufactured”.

    However, if you look at what really happened, these are simply universes colliding, set in motion long, long, long before the Big Bang.

    Sen. Obama intentionally set his universe in orbit within the Wright, Farrakhan, Pfleger, Meeks, Ayers, Dorhn, Ali Abunimah, Edward Said, Rashid Khalidi, Tony Rezco worldviews.

    He has been expanding upon his hard leftism, anti-Amerikkka, white guilt, Marxism, black nationalism tilt since “Frank” Marshall Davis, then his radical professors, THEN Jeremiah Wright, Pfleger, Farrakhan, Ayers & Dorhn.

    THEN Rashid Khalidi, Edward Said, Ali Abunimah.

    THEN McPeak, Brzezinski, Malley, Power, Lake, etc.

    If one examines the thoughts and expressions of “Frank” Marshall Davis…one would be hard pressed to distinguish them from Jeremiah Wright.

    And there is hardly a dust mite of difference between Wright and Farrakhan on worldview issues.

    Pfleger is a humiliating caricature of the Jefferson’s white sychophantic neighbor…or a more recently lampooned version of the same goof….played by Brad Garrett in Everybody Loves Raymond…where Robert “goes black” and starts trying to talk, walk and dress “black” to hysterically funny and skin-crawling creepy “white guy trying to be black guy” stuff.

    The doe eyed innocence act of the leftists that the connection of Obama to these left wing nutjobs is deep, abiding, close and personal…is laughable.

    In order to sustain the farce that “this is all behind us now” because Sen. Obama wants to run and hide from HIS connection to these nutjobs…one has to ignore that Sen. Obama has embraced EVERYTHING they say and stand for…since his days with “Frank” Marshall Davis and his radical professors.

    You must ignore his Annenberg connection, as well as his Woods connection to Ayers. Impossible to do with a straight face.

    You must ignore his selection of Wright’s church, his enthusiastic embrace of Cone’s Black Liberation marxism, his taking an armload of Wright’s tapes to school, his Nation of Islam staffers, his chief blogger Sam Graham-Felsen, and his WRITTEN REASONS FOR ADOPTING WRIGHT AS A MENTOR, TUCC AS HIS CHURCH AND HIS CONNECTIONS TO PFLEGER.

    You can’t. You won’t try…for that very reason.

    There…I’ve explained to you as best I can at your level…what this all means.

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  46. “I don’t need to know anything about any of the Attorney Generals in the history of the United States to know that Alberto Gonzalez and Mike Mukasey are two of the worst.”
    Well at least the toddler admits his lack of intellectual honesty and substance. Back to pasting links and cursing!

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  47. Here’s a link for you, Levi.

    Not. Even. Close.

    Comment by Levi — 6/2/2008 @ 9:47 am

    I gave you the reverse side of the “seeming” and the “apologia”. Which is what you are always going on about. You are a third-rate intellect.

    nk (6c75e0)

  48. “You want proof? How about 300+ pages worth?
    Now that’s a lot of reading, so here’s a better example that simply yet vividly illustrates how deceptive this administration really is. Look at the picture here:…”

    Hahah – in other words, I’ll throw down this link that contains material that supposedly will vindicate my preconceived opinion, admit that I did not read it despite throwing it down as the proof of my position, and then say “look at the pretty picture!” The petulant toddler has spoken, idiots!

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  49. Actually, I’m happy to …you know…actually research a person BEFORE he is granted a halo and declare that he sends “chills and tingles up my leg”.

    And, while it is well beyond any comprehension level you have exhibited to date…the issue of time as a dimension…and how looking at time from a different perspective can alter results and conclusions…is pretty well accepted by all the “leading scientists”.

    What we “know” to be absolutely true about the universe around us…changes…when we are given the ability to view it from a deeper time perspective. If you start at “Point X” in time…you may come to the conclusion of the Big Bang…and view it as a singular event.

    If you are granted a view BEFORE the Big Bang…where it is not the beginning event, but is actually a RESPONSE to an event that had been building for some time…and that there have likely been a number of similar events…it changes your view of time, and all the conclusions that follow.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHHAHHAHAAHA

    Yes, this is what I’ve been waiting for! So in summary, ‘We’ means ‘White government,’ right?

    HAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHA

    And look at the rest of your post, more lists!

    And before I go, let me just blow your mind a little bit.

    You must ignore his selection of Wright’s church, his enthusiastic embrace of Cone’s Black Liberation marxism, his taking an armload of Wright’s tapes to school, his Nation of Islam staffers, his chief blogger Sam Graham-Felsen, and his WRITTEN REASONS FOR ADOPTING WRIGHT AS A MENTOR, TUCC AS HIS CHURCH AND HIS CONNECTIONS TO PFLEGER.

    I like Rev. Wright. I don’t have to ignore the fact that Obama selected his church, I think it’s cool. Rev. Wright’s brand of Christianity sounds a whole lot better to me as a white atheist than John Hagee’s, or Rod Parsley’s, or Pat Roberton’s, or George Bush’s, and probably yours, too. ‘God Damn America’ doesn’t hurt my feelings, and it never will.

    Let me know when you’ve got another physics lesson, that was some funny shit.

    Levi (76ef55)

  50. So in summary, ‘We’ means ‘White government,’ right?

    Remember when we mocked you for assigning motives not evidenced?

    that’s exactly the kind of thing we were talking about, Tiny Dancer…

    I like Rev. Wright. I don’t have to ignore the fact that Obama selected his church, I think it’s cool. Rev. Wright’s brand of Christianity sounds a whole lot better to me as a white atheist than John Hagee’s, or Rod Parsley’s, or Pat Roberton’s, or George Bush’s, and probably yours, too.

    The fact that it hates you because you’re not black is lost on you, isn’t it…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  51. A vile petulant pathetic sad little person, it is.

    JD (5f0e11)

  52. Even Baracky does not agree with Levi.

    JD (5f0e11)

  53. 50 – “The fact that it hates you because you’re not black is lost on you, isn’t it…”

    He could go in and affect a Father Pfleger style cadence to go along with the sycophantic politics and be under the impression of being “down.”
    I love white suck-ups to black radical poseurs. There’s a group in Philly called the Uhuru Solidarity Movement and they have their own “white peoples movement” who get to work in their used furniture store while showing “solidarity with the African community.”

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  54. Remember when we mocked you for assigning motives not evidenced?

    that’s exactly the kind of thing we were talking about, Tiny Dancer…

    I remember that episode, yes. This is a different conversation I had with another person months ago that you weren’t involved in, however, so don’t presume to know what you’re talking about.

    The fact that it hates you because you’re not black is lost on you, isn’t it…

    Rev. Wright doesn’t hate me and he doesn’t hate white people. What’s he ever done that makes you think such a thing?

    Levi (76ef55)

  55. I love white suck-ups to black radical poseurs. There’s a group in Philly called the Uhuru Solidarity Movement and they have their own “white peoples movement” who get to work in their used furniture store while showing “solidarity with the African community.”

    Am I one of these white suck-ups?

    Levi (76ef55)

  56. Yes and if you go back to my profanity-laced rant at you that you were kind enough to paste in another thread, you can remind yourself of all of the other things that you are as well.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  57. So in summary, ‘We’ means ‘White government,’ right?

    So, in summary, your juvenile intellect is surpassed by your lack of reading comprehension skills? That had to be intentional, because being that stupid, even on accident, has to be painful. From where do you derive the idea that We refers to white people ?

    Are you a white suck-up? Does not really matter, you pathetic sad little person.

    JD (75f5c3)

  58. Yes and if you go back to my profanity-laced rant at you that you were kind enough to paste in another thread, you can remind yourself of all of the other things that you are as well.

    While that sounds like a whole lot of fun, I’d prefer to stick with this ‘white suck-up’ kick you’re on.

    What does one have to do to become a ‘white suck-up?’ Disagree with Republicans about one black pastor being a racist that hates me, personally? Is that all?

    Levi (76ef55)

  59. It almost makes one long for the days of actus.

    JD (75f5c3)

  60. The “yes” was just being dismissive and I gave you an example from personal experience living in a city similar to Chicago with all of the political movements fringe and otherwise that you see in a large urban area. There are lots of ostensibly radical political groups, often racialist, and they often attract white bourgeois hangers-on trying to be seen earning their “cred.” Are you a white suck up? Probably. But in the scheme of things whether that particular description applies is irrelevant. You’re revealed yourself quite often as to the substance of who and what you are.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  61. I like Rev. Wright. I don’t have to ignore the fact that Obama selected his church,

    Well, this puts you at odds with…well, everyone, including Obama.

    Obama doesn’t like what Wright has to say…unless of course, you agree with Jeremiah that Obama is merely posturing and he likes it too. I applaud your candor. You like what everyone else around you is calling a race-baiting, vile, despicable, hatefest. I believe you. It suits you.

    Obama has distanced himself from the very statements you continue to embrace. I think one of you is honest about it. I wouldn’t vote for either of you, but at least you would run with your hatred of this country out in the open.

    I think it’s cool. Rev. Wright’s brand of Christianity sounds a whole lot better to me as a white atheist

    I suspect it would. I suspect it would favor most atheists, but to call it Christianity is a fraud. Cone’s liberation theo-politics suggests that if their INDIVIDUAL deity isn’t also a racist, if he doesn’t want to kill whites…then the deity must be killed.

    That isn’t Christianity. It’s blasphemy. As an atheist I don’t expect you to comprehend any better than you comprehend physics. Patriotism, loyalty, Christianity and physics aren’t your long suits. Rabble rousing and flame throwing are more your style. As with most radical leftists.

    The facts don’t matter, Research doesn’t matter, evidence doesn’t matter. You are all one man jury nullification squads. Individual cells that believe that you are the center of the universe and it all spins around you and your extremist views.

    than John Hagee’s, or Rod Parsley’s, or Pat Roberton’s, or George Bush’s, and probably yours, too.

    My brand of Christianity is based upon being honorable, and surrounding myself with and embracing honorable people in my life. I believe in loyalty, honor, consistent principles and fundamental fairness.

    I don’t know much about TV preachers. Hagee, Parsley, Robertson, Falwell had and have very little impact on me or my worldview or belief system. None, actually.

    ‘God Damn America’ doesn’t hurt my feelings, and it never will.

    I would venture a guess that not only does it not hurt your feelings, it represents them. Most people, including Obama…think this is a travesty. Or so he says. You have an antipathy toward your country which you share with Ayers, Dorhn, Wright, Farrakhan. Hard leftists who want to tear down the system.

    Any attack on Amerikkka would be fine with them…and, as you outline here…would be just fine with you as well. You see that as a badge of honor. I see it as a lack thereof.

    Let me know when you’ve got another physics lesson, that was some funny shit.

    Some people laugh at what they cannot comprehend. Others pretend to laugh, but are humiliated on the inside. I apologize for humiliating you. It’s not necessary, because you do such a fine job alone.

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  62. The “yes” was just being dismissive and I gave you an example from personal experience living in a city similar to Chicago with all of the political movements fringe and otherwise that you see in a large urban area. There are lots of ostensibly radical political groups, often racialist, and they often attract white bourgeois hangers-on trying to be seen earning their “cred.” Are you a white suck up? Probably. But in the scheme of things whether that particular description applies is irrelevant. You’re revealed yourself quite often as to the substance of who and what you are.

    Well, I live in Montana, where there are virtually no black people, though I did see one walking down the street today. I did think about pulling over and sucking up to him, though….

    Levi (76ef55)

  63. “Well, I live in Montana, where there are virtually no black people,”

    Why is it not the least bit surprising that you live in a state with over 90% white people.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  64. Well, this puts you at odds with…well, everyone, including Obama.

    Obama doesn’t like what Wright has to say…unless of course, you agree with Jeremiah that Obama is merely posturing and he likes it too. I applaud your candor. You like what everyone else around you is calling a race-baiting, vile, despicable, hatefest. I believe you. It suits you.

    Obama has distanced himself from the very statements you continue to embrace. I think one of you is honest about it. I wouldn’t vote for either of you, but at least you would run with your hatred of this country out in the open.

    Allow me to blow your mind yet again, I do think Barack is posturing, though I wish I could think of a different word to use, and I entirely forgive him for it. There’s no reason to run from Rev. Wright, Obama should have stood by him, he just can’t, because the Democratic party has no idea how to play politics with the Republican party. When the G.O.P. comes at you with silly, frivolous bullshit like this, the only effective response is to have everyone laugh in their faces (the way I just laughed in yours.) And I mean everyone, the leadership, the other candidates, the people that are going on the talking head shows, they need to all treat it for what it is; a big joke.

    That didn’t happen, and that can be attributed both to the superior political sense of Republicans and the cravenness of Hillary Clinton. Obama can’t be expected to defend himself from stuff like this all by himself, he tried to, but it’s impossible with the onslaught that you guys can manufacture. So he’s diffusing the issue by cutting him off, because he knows that it’s more important that he secures the Presidency. Maybe some day Democrats will learn to play in the big leagues with the Republicans, but until then, this is what’s necessary.

    The rest is boring, until….

    Some people laugh at what they cannot comprehend. Others pretend to laugh, but are humiliated on the inside. I apologize for humiliating you. It’s not necessary, because you do such a fine job alone.

    I can assure you, I was genuinely laughing. I know plenty about string theory and atoms and space-time and all that, thanks, I just find it amusing that someone could get cornered in a debate about pronouns and context and resort to quantum physics as a last resort.

    Levi (76ef55)

  65. Why is it not the least bit surprising that you live in a state with over 90% white people.

    Why isn’t it surprising? Please, don’t be so mysterious.

    Levi (76ef55)

  66. So, according to Levi, Baracky is just lying to the public, and he is cool with that.

    JD (75f5c3)

  67. I denounce my denunciation because I really did not mean it.

    Baracky (75f5c3)

  68. Notice how I did not denounce TUCC when I resigned from there, I just noted that my Presidential campaign was bringing too much scrutiny to the church. Life was much better when nobody paid attention to the full on krazy that goes on at my church, but only when I am not there.

    Baracky (75f5c3)

  69. Allow me to blow your mind yet again, I do think Barack is posturing, though I wish I could think of a different word to use, and I entirely forgive him for it.

    Sure, as long as you can ignore his claims of being a “different” kind of politician…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  70. Allow me to blow your mind yet again, I do think Barack is posturing, though I wish I could think of a different word to use, and I entirely forgive him for it.

    Please forgive me for crushing your fantasy, but you blowing my mind…or anything else you might have an interest in…isn’t going to happen.

    Sorry. You believe that Sen. Obama is lying about his worldview and belief system in order to get elected. We found a basis upon which to agree.

    I believe he is too. Now, if we can only get the easily duped to agree to our groundrules, then we can hold an election that isn’t based upon a masquerade and a fraudulent attempt to create a phony distance from Wright/Farrakhan/Ayers…and you…for Sen. Obama.

    I believe, as you do…that he is EXACTLY as you portray him. He EMBRACES the Wright/Farrakhan/”Frank” Marshall Davis/Ayers/Levi worldview.

    You seem to think he is too much of a coward to admit it.

    The place where we disagree…is that REPUBLICANS and CONSERVATIVES are the only ones who would run, flee…race away from this worldview.

    After all, why would he care? He isn’t going to get their votes anyway. He has to distance himself, because you hard leftists couldn’t get elected dog catcher in this country unless you hid what you believed in and wanted to do to the country.

    As for comprehending the time element at looking at an issue and what it means…you still don’t get it. You chose a moment in time that was not the appropriate one to come to the right conclusion.

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  71. “Why isn’t it surprising? Please, don’t be so mysterious.”

    Because you reveal you complete and utter lack of any direct first-hand knowledge or experience of the life, vibe, and culture of diverse, multicultural communities on a regular basis. But then again this is someone who claims not to have to read documents to know their contents and whose A’s on papers on unread books proves it so.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  72. cfbleachers – Well said, though Levi has shown the inate ability to be impervious to facts.

    JD (75f5c3)

  73. Levi spit: Who told you about this ‘fact,’ Mr. Smithee? It really seems like it has never occurred to you that this administration could be lying about things like torture.

    All Presidents lie, all governments lie, all administrations lie. You know why? Because they’re filled with successful politicians and their hangers-on. You don’t get to be a success in politics without lying. Some politicians, however, do it more than others, and anyone that says those of one party always lies and the other never does is a simpleton.

    Yeah, it’s occurred to me that the Bush Admin could be lying about torture. But regarding KSM and waterboarding, even Bush’s harshest critics acknowledge its success in that case. Some “torture” foes have turned around and said that if waterboarding broke Al Qaeda suspects, they would have broken some other more kumbaya way if it was tried. John Kiriakou, the CIA spook who broke AQ’s Abu Zubaydeh, agrees that it is “torture,” but deemed it “necessary” as well.

    “The next day, he told his interrogator that Allah had visited him in his cell during the night and told him to cooperate,” said Kiriakou in an interview to be broadcast tonight on ABC News’ “World News With Charles Gibson” and “Nightline.”

    “From that day on, he answered every question,” Kiriakou said. “The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks.”

    Kiriakou said the feeling in the months after the 9/11 attacks was that interrogators did not have the time to delve into the agency’s bag of other interrogation tricks. “Those tricks of the trade require a great deal of time — much of the time — and we didn’t have that luxury. We were afraid that there was another major attack coming,” he said.”

    On the other hand, Leev, your animus for all things W has trapped you into thinking that he’s incapable of telling the truth about anything, that anything that has been accomplished was through dumb luck, and that the reason he has failed in other matters is solely because he’s of below average intelligence.

    L.N. Smithee (b048eb)

  74. Levi wrote: There’s no reason to run from Rev. Wright, Obama should have stood by him, he just can’t, because the Democratic party has no idea how to play politics with the Republican party. When the G.O.P. comes at you with silly, frivolous bullshit like this, the only effective response is to have everyone laugh in their faces (the way I just laughed in yours.) And I mean everyone, the leadership, the other candidates, the people that are going on the talking head shows, they need to all treat it for what it is; a big joke.

    Explain to me when that’s been effective.

    L.N. Smithee (b048eb)

  75. 73 – “On the other hand, Leev, your animus for all things W has trapped you into thinking that he’s incapable of telling the truth about anything, that anything that has been accomplished was through dumb luck, and that the reason he has failed in other matters is solely because he’s of below average intelligence.”

    And that’s why in the minds of the automatic Bush haters this type of logic is conjured up:
    “It really seems like it has never occurred to you that this administration could be lying about things like torture.”
    Get it, Smithee? The onus is on you to prove that the administration has not wantonly tortured people. I guess using that kind of logic could be fun: Has it ever occurred to you that Levi could be lying about not being a cross dressing, heroin addicted child molester? You know he COULD be lying about NOT doing those things and the proof is on him to prove to me otherwise you know.

    Jack Klompus (cf3660)

  76. so what? our current secretary of state and attorney general are no great shakes.

    assistant devil's advocate (4f176b)

  77. Reverend Wright as UN Ambassador, caving into the whims of the world’s US haters; now, THAT’s a perfect position.

    dave (f414f8)


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