Indiana Election Results
[Guest post by DRJ]
99% reporting:
Clinton - 637,389 - 51% - 32 delegates - CNN calls Indiana for Hillary.
Obama - 615,370 - 49% - 29 delegates
95% reporting:
Clinton - 606,497 - 51% - 32 delegates
Obama - 589,888 - 49% - 29 delegates
86% reporting:
Clinton - 557,166 - 52%
Obama - 516,713 - 48%
79% reporting:
Clinton - 512,331 - 52%
Obama - 476,696 - 48%
65% reporting:
Clinton - 428,568 - 53%
Obama - 377,107 - 47%
50% reporting:
Clinton - 323,690 - 55%
Obama - 264,884 - 45%
44% reporting:
Clinton - 284,097 - 56%
Obama - 223,904 - 44%
37% reporting:
Clinton - 227,839 -56%
Obama - 176,791 - 44%
5% reporting:
Clinton - 46,380 - 59%
Obama - 32,335 - 41%
Results from CNN.
– DRJ
Exit polls are predicting 52/48 in Sen Clinton’s favor. Keep in mind that Obama’s exit numbers have been concistantly higher than the actual outcome, so that does not bode well for Sen Obama…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 4:21 pm
NBC called North Carolina…about 8 seconds after the polls closed.
Not that they are in the bag for Obama or anything…I saw it on MSN’s homepage. Nice to know that the deadwood media hides their intentions and are so discreet.
Comment by cfbleachers — 5/6/2008 @ 5:00 pm
FoxNews was pretty quick to call it, too. Hell, I voted around 7:10 myself, almost a half hour before the polls closed, only to have the poll worker ask “Hey buddy, why ya’ll botherin’ to vote? Dintcha know Obama already had this thing sewn up?”
OK, so maybe I made up that last part, but still…
Comment by Xrlq — 5/6/2008 @ 5:28 pm
There wasn’t much suspense in North Carolina but Karl Rove’s electoral college numbers might make Democrats wish for Hillary.
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 5:55 pm
I voted for Hillary this morning.
The guy in the light blue shirt behind Baracky just had an orgasm.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 6:30 pm
The 91% of blacks going for Obama makes NC a sure thing. He can’t possibly lose NC.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 6:33 pm
I listened to about 5 minutes of Rush Limbaugh on the way to lunch today and the caller was a Democrat from Indiana who was upset that Republicans might vote in the Democratic primary. She had called the Indiana Secretary of State’s office to see if there was some way to stop them and when she was unsuccessful there, I think she was calling Rush to try to shame him for Operation Chaos. What was most interesting to me was that she did not seem to consider the possibility that someone might be an independent.
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 6:37 pm
I continue to be shocked and disgusted with my friends who actually think Obama represents any sort of change in politics…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 6:38 pm
Olberdouche is really in the bag for Baracky.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 6:38 pm
You just noticed? Oby’s got his head so far up Sen Obama’s butt, the haircut probably tickles the back of Obama’s throat…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 6:41 pm
JD,
What’s still out in Indiana - Hillary country or Obama cities?
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 6:41 pm
Anyone have a link to a map of yet-to-report areas in Indiana?
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 6:44 pm
I’m hearing it’s Obama-leaning NE indiana, but I dunno…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 6:45 pm
DRJ - She wasn’t going to find a sympathetic voice at the Second. of State’s office. Sec. Rokita is a good Republican and interestingly enough, one of the main parties in the voter ID case to the Supreme Court. Olberdouche might get up on his desk and demand that Hillary quit immediately, because Indiana was not called immediately.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 6:45 pm
The caller made a point of saying that the person she talked to at the Secretary of State’s office - and I got the impression it was the Secretary of State himself - was very Republican and very nice. It was quite a compliment given how unhappy she was with voting and Republicans.
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 6:47 pm
DRJ - Lake and Porter are Baracky country. Evansville by demographics would be Hillary, but Baracky spent a lot of time there. Several counties along the Ohio border will be big wins, but fewer overall votes, for Hillary. Marion county, Indianapolis, is likely a wildcard.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 6:49 pm
DRJ - His wife and my Better Half are close friends. He could be a rising star in Republican politics. And, a good guy.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 6:51 pm
Why do Brokaw and Russert and Mathews keep saying “we” and “us” when referring to Dems and Baracky?
Russert has not gotten one thing right in his descriptions of Indiana.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 6:54 pm
#16. So Indiana is still a toss-up?
#17. Good - We could use a few more rising stars.
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 6:55 pm
Yes, still a mathematical tossup. Plus, the longer Lake and Porter counties are out, the more HRC should worry, as that gives the Chicago machine a chance to create votes.
Has anyone seen numbers for Marion and Hamilton counties?
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 6:59 pm
Marion is almost entirely reported…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 7:02 pm
Indy 67-33 to Obama…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 7:02 pm
This is all funny because neither candidate has a snowball’s chance in hell of ever winning this state. Baracky gave away free tickets for a Dave Mathews voter registration concert, which helped him.
Lake County is crooked, and they will bring the votes home for Baracky.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 7:04 pm
Scott - What about Hamilton County ?
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 7:07 pm
I think it’s mostly reported… They are really just talking about Lake at this point…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 7:07 pm
Obama’s blue collar white vote is his biggest challenge.
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INDIANA WHITE DEMOCRAT VOTERS
WITHOUT A COLLEGE DEGREE
CLINTON 65%
OBAMA 34%
NORTH CAROLINA WHITE DEMOCRAT VOTERS
WITHOUT A COLLEGE DEGREE
CLINTON 68%
OBAMA 26%
Comment by steve — 5/6/2008 @ 7:10 pm
Do the gasbags on MSNBC have any shame?
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 7:13 pm
Howw Fishy… Gary is refusing to release ANY results until they have counted all their votes…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 7:18 pm
“There wasn’t much suspense in North Carolina but Karl Rove’s electoral college numbers might make Democrats wish for Hillary.”
Odd: TX is +4 for mccain over obama, while FL is +8.
Comment by stef — 5/6/2008 @ 7:18 pm
Fox News says Gary/Lake County is holding all returns until it counts 11,000 absentee ballots by hand. That’s strange.
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 7:21 pm
Yeah… Amazing how those magically showed up, isn’t it?
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 7:22 pm
I’m not surprised there were absentee votes but, as Scott said above, I don’t understand why they won’t release today’s voting results.
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 7:24 pm
The real revelation tonight is Obama’s willingness to talk about a MI/FL deal.
Comment by steve — 5/6/2008 @ 7:36 pm
What did he say?
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 7:38 pm
DRJ - Why is that odd? They just need to make sure how many votes Baracky needs.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 7:39 pm
Why would Hillary accept any deal from Baracky on MI and FL when she won them?
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 7:41 pm
Howard Fineman and David Gergen - on separate networks - reported Obama’s people are willing to talk a deal.
Comment by steve — 5/6/2008 @ 7:42 pm
Hillary is in full-on misery pimping mode tonight.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 7:43 pm
Obama must believe he can convince most of the superdelegates to support him, and at this point he probably can. The question is whether Hillary will bow out when that happens.
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 7:44 pm
Who runs things in Gary IN?
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 7:45 pm
Just as in Texas, if HRC wins, it will have been due to Operation Chaos. The margin will be well within the thousands of GOPers who crossed over.
Is this a Cracker Jack election, or what?
Comment by Ed — 5/6/2008 @ 7:46 pm
If I were Baracky, I would want a deal too. Since he was dumb enough to take his name off the ballot in MI, I would do whatever it takes to get votes there. In Fl, I would not want to piss off such an important electoral delegation.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 7:46 pm
People who are cloned from the Daley machine, DRJ…
The 11,000 Absentee balots shouldn’t have “just arrived”. They should have been recieved earlier today.
As has happened in the past, these balots have appeared out of nowhere…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 7:48 pm
Ed - What is operation Chaos and why do you think that Hillary cannot win without Repubican support? I thought Baracky was the post racial post partisan uniter.
DRJ - I do not know who runs Gary at the local level, but heavy handed tactics and Daley machine politics is par for the course.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 7:52 pm
I wonder if we’ll see a challenge or lawsuit filed in Indiana?
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 7:52 pm
I’m surprised Obama won 2-1 in Marion Co.
Lake Co. reports in an hour.
Comment by steve — 5/6/2008 @ 7:53 pm
COUNT THE VOTES ! COUNT THE VOTES ! COUNT THE VOTES !
Pass the popcorn ….
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 7:55 pm
If even 25% of the “Won’t vote for Obama” folks from the Hillary camp actually mean it, there’s no way Obama can with against McCain…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 8:00 pm
DRJ: from what I read in the local rag, they count absentees first.
This strikes me as being a bizarre process, not what we do in California, but …
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Scott, what’s your evidence that the ballots just “appeared out of nowhere”? Or are you merely asserting it because you’ve prejudged without looking for evidence?
Comment by aphrael — 5/6/2008 @ 8:02 pm
steve - That is no surprise. Marion County fits Baracky’s target demographic.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 8:02 pm
Absentee ballots are supposed to be before the commitee FAR earlier, and it is odd to suggest that 11,000 takes longer to count than the whole city…
As you said. They are supposed to count them first, which means they should be done before the polls close. Odd, isn’t it, that they are just getting to them this late in the day?
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 8:04 pm
How big did Baracky win in Bloomington, Monroe County, or the Soviet Socialist Republic of Monroe?
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 8:07 pm
Hillary senses the door is closing. She didn’t level a shot at either Republicans or Obama tonight.
Doing a MI/FL deal and paying off Hillary’s debt are the hurdles.
Comment by steve — 5/6/2008 @ 8:08 pm
I don’t know what the rules are in Indiana. But in California, absentee ballots can be returned to any polling place, or to the elections office on the day of the election.
I would assume that any system that allowed absentee ballots at all would allow them to be returned on the day of the election; that seems like it’s a fairly consistent rule in every jurisdiction I’ve investigated.
So: people return their ballots late because they are flaky/lazy/whatever, and the election office finds itself inundated on election day.
Seems perfectly plausible to me. Since I’ve worked precincts in which the number of absentee ballots returned to me was *more than the number of votes cast in the precinct*, I can believe it would occur (although I wouldn’t have bet money on it).
Comment by aphrael — 5/6/2008 @ 8:08 pm
Obama took Monroe Co. 65-35% (78% reporting).
Comment by steve — 5/6/2008 @ 8:11 pm
You are aware that those things are for people who aren’t THERE the day of the vote, right? So “turning them in” sounds only slightly odd, yes? If you can turn it in, why are you not voting at the polls?
It then beng understood that such ballots likely don’t arrive through hand=-delivery, where else might they come from?
The USPS. Mailed in. As they are intened. I am unaware of how California works, but I’m not aware of a whole lot of places where the mail is delivered at 8pm…
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 8:11 pm
That that didn’t seem… fishy to you?
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 5/6/2008 @ 8:12 pm
MSNBC is remarkable in their in-the-baggedness for Baracky.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 8:16 pm
Scott: not particularly. California’s voters has been shifting towards absentee ballots instead of precinct balloting for some time, and I know I always return mine on the day of the election, so it doesn’t surprise me that others would as well.
I mean … unless you’re going to say all absentee ballots are per se fraudulent, and absentee balloting ought to be established, why should I distrust absentee ballots returned the day of the election, before the polls are closed, any more than I would distrust ones returned a week beforehand?
Especially since I always return mine on election day?
Comment by aphrael — 5/6/2008 @ 8:21 pm
A bit off topic, but … MI and FL were punished for moving their primaries up on the calendar. As a result of these changes, Iowa and New Hampshire moved their up too. Why weren’t they punished?
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 8:22 pm
It used to be that absentee ballots were only for people who were out of town on election day.
That hasn’t been the case in California for probably 20 years; nor is it the case in Oregon, where all elections are now conducted by mail-in ballot.
Comment by aphrael — 5/6/2008 @ 8:22 pm
JD: they did it with the permission of the parties. The party rules favor IA and NH for reasons that I’ve never really accepted.
Comment by aphrael — 5/6/2008 @ 8:23 pm
“f you can turn it in, why are you not voting at the polls?”
Because you don’t have the time.
Comment by stef — 5/6/2008 @ 8:24 pm
When do parties get to dictate to States when and how they choose to hold their primaries?
aphrael - Essentially, they allowed the beloved IA and NH to break the rules, and punished MI and FL for doing the exact same thing.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 8:28 pm
“When do parties get to dictate to States when and how they choose to hold their primaries?”
I’d guess parties get to dictate who gets seated and who doesn’t, and they use this power to talk to states about primaries and what kind of delegation they’re going to have.
Comment by stef — 5/6/2008 @ 8:33 pm
JD: I’m not disagreeing. That said, I think the parties have to be able to enforce this in order to retain any control over the party primary at all.
If Michigan and Florida are seated, next time there are primaries in the summer of the year before the election.
And I have very little sympathy for the state parties in MI and FL who knew what the rules were and failed to comply with them.
Comment by aphrael — 5/6/2008 @ 8:37 pm
stef - when I want to talk to you, I will address you. Now, resume your normal blathering.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 8:38 pm
So far, Hillary and Barack I-Want-Candy Obama have garnered roughly 32 million votes between the two of them. About 16 million each. Despite all the
excitementhysteria among our lefties.Kerry lost with more than 50 million. This Presidential race is McCain’s to lose.
Comment by nk — 5/6/2008 @ 8:41 pm
aphrael - I do not see why that is such a bad thing. If my State Rep votes to move our primary to September, I can vote the dumbass out of office. Hodean, I cannot.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 8:41 pm
“stef - when I want to talk to you, I will address you. Now, resume your normal blathering.”
For example, deciding whether to seat racist southern delegations or not. Who’s a party to tell a conservative southern state that it has to integrate its primaries?
Comment by stef — 5/6/2008 @ 8:45 pm
Actually, you can vote him out, indirectly: you can vote for your party central committee, which selects the state convention members, etc. It’s just that you have to go head-to-head with the party activists.
At the end of the day, though, I think it’s a struggle between the state parties and the national party over who controls the nominating process. Yeah, on some level it’s a state legislature vs. national party thing … but in most places the legislature is just ratifying the state party’s preference.
I think there’s something to be said for more national control over the presidential nominating process (although certainly the states should maintain control of the nominating process for other races). But mostly I’m just irritated at FL and MI for flaunting the rules rather than trying to get them changed, and at Sen. Clinton for encouraging them.
Comment by aphrael — 5/6/2008 @ 8:46 pm
So, if 90 percent of white people voted for Hillary, would they be racist?
I am not so sure that with the odd cricumstance in Gary, that it would benefit Baracky if they “find” enough votes for him to pull this out. The idea that he is beyond the politics of old, while practicing the politics of old, might not be the best message.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 8:48 pm
Lake County is coming in. With 28% of the votes reported, the total was:
Obama - 27,991 - 75%
Clinton - 9,470 - 25%
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 8:55 pm
DRJ - Mayor Clay of Gary is an ardent Baracky supporter.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 8:55 pm
Gary is also 80% black, according to Wikipedia, so that margin isn’t unexpected *in Gary*.
The rest of the county is more interesting.
Comment by aphrael — 5/6/2008 @ 8:59 pm
DRJ - I said earlier that the longer the votes were out in that area that it would be bad for Hillary.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 8:59 pm
aphrael - Lake County is actually about 65-70 percent white. Gary, not so much. The Daley machine still has plenty of time.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 9:02 pm
So now, when the entire free world rightly calls shenanigans on Lake County for failure to count the valid absentees prior to today, can we fully expect the demonization of the Indiana Sec. of State when he investigates the Lake County election toadies, er officials?
Comment by Ed — 5/6/2008 @ 9:03 pm
JD: yeah. That’s why the rest of Lake County is more interesting. Gary, the city, is overwhelmingly black, so a huge win for Sen. Obama in Gary isn’t surprising.
Lake County, though, is where the real question lies.
Comment by aphrael — 5/6/2008 @ 9:04 pm
Ed: before calling shenanigans on failure to count the valid absentees, could we please establish (a) when the absentees were received, and (b) what the normal operating procedure is for counting them?
No offense, but you and Scott sound a lot like the liberals jumping up and down about Ohio being stolen in 2004: making assumptions without evidence just because they fit your prejudices.
Comment by aphrael — 5/6/2008 @ 9:05 pm
Can some of you Republicans please explain to me why , at this late stage, Huckabee (who has ENDORSED McCain) gets 10% (Indiana) and 12% (N.Carolina) of the vote–and Romney 5% in Indiana?
Going by CNN’s delegate count, Obama will end up gaining 7 delegates from tonight.
Comment by kishnevi — 5/6/2008 @ 9:09 pm
Delegate count changes while I was writing the last comment. CNN now gives figures that result in Obama gaining 5 delegates.
Comment by kishnevi — 5/6/2008 @ 9:11 pm
Counting absentee ballots first is a good fraud preventative. That way the machine won’t know how many votes it needs to manufacture when they are counted.
Comment by kishnevi — 5/6/2008 @ 9:13 pm
Standard practice in the counties where I live has been to count absentees received at the elections office by poll closing before counting incoming ballots, but to count absentees received at polling places *after* counting precinct ballots.
Comment by aphrael — 5/6/2008 @ 9:23 pm
I just heard Rachel Maddow talk about post-rationality. My head, it hurts.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 9:27 pm
aphrael - The demogrphics of Gary favor Baracky, but Lake County as a whole favors Hillary. After tonight, I may never watch MSNBC again. Good Allah, they are reprehensible.
Comment by JD — 5/6/2008 @ 9:34 pm
Kishnevi, I can easily explain why Romney didn’t get 10% here in North Carolina: he wasn’t on the ballot. As to why Huckabee did do as well here as he did, let’s just say that if anyone who wasn’t a retard had been on the Republican ballot, I’d have considered casting a protest vote for him myself. None were, so I voted for McCain. Given how well the Huckster did early in the campaign, it comes as little surprise that 12% of my compatriots mistook him for a non-retard.
Comment by Xrlq — 5/6/2008 @ 9:37 pm
aphrael - the info I had was that all ballots had to be in by Saturday. Not post-marked - but IN HAND. Marion County (Indianapolis) had theirs counted prior to today. Think they had fewer to handle then Lake did?
This may be standard practice in Lake County. But it stinks to high heaven.
Comment by Ed — 5/6/2008 @ 9:43 pm
I’m tired of waiting for Lake County so this may be it for me. It’s like watching grass grow, except watching grass grow is more fun.
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 10:08 pm
Hillary wins a squeaker.
She’s up 22,000 votes with 99% counted.
Comment by steve — 5/6/2008 @ 10:11 pm
As soon as I gave up, more votes came in and now Indiana is showing 99% of the votes have been reported. Nevertheless, CNN still isn’t calling the election. Has anyone called it yet?
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 10:12 pm
They’ve called it for Hillary. Thanks, steve.
Comment by DRJ — 5/6/2008 @ 10:12 pm
Apparently the Mayor of Gary could not created enough new votes to close the gap. I gave up about the same time as DRJ, and was surprised to find that Olberdouchenozzle and Crissy Mathews were not still on MSNBC fellating Baracky when I woke up this morning.
Comment by JD — 5/7/2008 @ 6:56 am