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5/4/2008

Obama and Clinton Disagree on Iran

Filed under: 2008 Election — DRJ @ 12:48 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton disagree on what the U.S. policy should be toward Iran:

“Barack Obama scolded Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Sunday for saying that U.S. would “totally obliterate” Iran if it attacks Israel, and likened her to President Bush. Ms. Clinton stood by her comment.”

I think Hillary Clinton is right and Obama is wrong when it comes to Iran, which means Hillary’s position will hurt her with liberals. Maybe she’s aiming for moderate and crossover voters, or maybe she thinks most Americans have had enough of Iran.

— DRJ

44 Responses to “Obama and Clinton Disagree on Iran”

  1. Not that I’m disagreeing with the sentiment, but does anyone else see a disconnect between our attacking Iran if it attacks Israel and our doing nothing to Iran while it trains and supports the terrorists that are killing Americans? By what calculus is Iran attacking Israel more detrimental to the security and interests of the United States than is Iran (through proxy, if not directly) killing Americans? And with Iran (and the rest of the world) learning that we do nothing to back up our warnings, why should Iran take seriously our threats that we would respond militarily if they attack Israel?

    stevesturm (f8b3ed)

  2. The US is considering an attack on Iran because of its participation in attacking Americans in Iraq.

    DRJ (a431ca)

  3. DRJ: As I posted today, just how dysfunctional is the Bush Administration, that after years of Iranian support (training, logistics, arms, save havens) for those killing Americans, the Bush Administration has only gotten to the point where it is considering an attack? Someone, anyone, please explain to me how Bush, having sent our troops into combat, is standing by and doing nothing except issuing empty threats while American soldiers are being killed by the Iranians? When it turned out that our military didn’t have the equipment it needed to combat the terrorists, they went out and did something about it, yet Bush’s own generals, in whom he places such faith, have declared Iran to be a supporter of the attacks in Iraq, and Bush does nothing. Anyone want to try defending this?

    stevesturm (f8b3ed)

  4. “DRJ: As I posted today, just how dysfunctional is the Bush Administration, that after years of Iranian support (training, logistics, arms, save havens) for those killing Americans, the Bush Administration has only gotten to the point where it is considering an attack? ”

    Dysfunctional could be the word. But the increasing power of Iran, and its present position, both politically and militarily, was an easily predicted result of our invasion of Iraq. You’d think they had a plan for dealing with it.

    stef (eadcd7)

  5. #3 I don’t fathom why Rice fell under the spell of the State Dept. Arabist mindset either. Why hasn’t the administration done squat about CIA and State having their own policies and not Bush’s? Why is nothing done to squelch the release of nationbal security secrets by the NY Times?
    Richard Nixon resigned in disgrace over Watergate. I tend to think Watergate was an attempt to fight back against far left traitors to the war effort. People like Walter Cronkite and Jimmy Carter never paid any price for their duplicity and support of commies and terrorist regimes. How many people are dead because of the pacifist/accomodate our enemies lefties? Jamie Gorelick is another cretin amongst many who should be proud of their work.

    We’ve been sodomized by Iran for over 30 years through proxies. I guess Obama will sit down with Dinnerjacket and appease Iran even more.
    Kumbaya! Peace! Hope! Iceholes of a feather flock together?

    madmax333 (f2a4bf)

  6. ODE TO OBAMA
    by Publius II

    There once was a man named Obama
    His life began with drama
    An African Muslim father
    And a wild white mama

    Obama’s white grandparents
    They gave him a charmed life
    Raised on the beaches of Hawaii
    Far from ghetto strife

    He went to private schools
    Fourteen thousand dollars a year
    Working-class white folks
    They were nowhere near

    He attended Columbia
    Then Harvard Law
    A very soft and liberal upbringing
    Something Americans eventually saw

    He then went to Chicago
    Nation of Islam, Farrakhan, Black Panthers and Jackson
    The only friends he made
    All from the extreme left-wing faction

    He joined a radical church
    His Pastor downright insane
    Blacks and whites, he said
    Think with different parts of their brain

    His church praised a man named Cone
    With hateful opinions he was filled
    He said white people were “the devil”
    And Gods who love whites must be killed

    Obama first ran for State Senate
    With permission from Chicago’s Marxist King
    A domestic terrorist named Ayers
    Obama kissed his ring

    He wrote a book called “Dreams From My Father”
    From start to finish a racist rant
    After people finally read it
    They later said: “Obama, no we can’t”

    He wrote how he rejected his mother’s race
    And that Malcolm X was a hero
    People had a clear warning
    Obama was a dangerous zero

    He was then elected to the U.S. Senate
    Obama’s ego grew very bold
    He barely served a year
    I will run for President was the story he told

    He spent millions to stage rallies
    The crowds would yell and cheer
    But then it all fizzled after he said
    Typical white folks cling to religion, guns and beer

    His wife said America was mean
    She was never really proud
    Her Black Separatist thesis at Princeton
    Became a campaign cloud

    People said he was a Muslim
    His supporters scoffed and jeered
    Then his Black Liberation Church was exposed
    And Obama’s ugly head was reared

    He tried to recover in a speech on race
    The radical left-wing media offered raves
    But he said white folks had an “untrained ear”
    And abolitionists in Pennsylvania turned over in their graves

    He claimed to be a uniter
    He would bring people together all at once
    But after his speech in Philadelphia
    He proved to be a demographic dunce

    He wouldn’t cover his heart
    As the National Anthem played
    It’s a meaningless gesture he said
    But Americans felt betrayed

    He wouldn’t wear a flag pin
    It was against his One World view
    It doesn’t matter he said
    And the American people stewed

    He first called terrorist Ayers his friend
    Then said this man he didn’t really know
    More deceit and cover-ups
    Obama’s lies began to grow

    Farrakhan, Jackson and Sharpton
    Three of Obama’s greatest fans
    He tried hiding them in the closet
    So not to further offend the white man

    Then came his anti-American Pastor
    Obama’s mentor for 20 years
    He preened, shucked and jived
    White people rose up and sneered

    NBC and the New York Times
    They tried each day to save Obama’s campaign
    But real Americans said “FU”
    And Obama spiraled down the drain

    The radical left-wing Democrats
    A Presidential race lost once again
    Is it really a surprise
    They’ve lost 7 of the last 10?

    Publius II (4de1af)

  7. “Richard Nixon resigned in disgrace over Watergate. I tend to think Watergate was an attempt to fight back against far left traitors to the war effort.”

    You mean when Nixon’s criminals were bugging the headquarters of the DNC?

    stef (d78ee9)

  8. Nixon paid a price as did his underlings. What price do Pinch, Soros, the Hollywood elite, Ayers/Dohrn, Carter, Fat Teddy K and a host of other hate america first traitors ever pay?

    I get tired of hearing moonbats plying their same old tired revisionist history about the genesis of the current war in Iraq. There are loads of videos of the Clinton clowns saying what a big danger Saddam was with his WMDs. Libs can’t compromise on anything and blame their oen intransigience on a rigid Dubya. Look how social security reforms were nixed. Look how compassionate conservatism just folded and went for money pit prescription drugs for seniors. Imagine how far along the war on Terror might be if liberals didn’t bash it continously and give aid and comfort to islamofascists. I wonder how many people agree with me that any terrorists should be killed and not housed at Guantanamo where they have endless amenities and even gain weight. Some of those released return to their old ways and proceed to blow up innocents. At least make them gimps so they can’t continue the jihad.

    madmax333 (f2a4bf)

  9. stef,

    If you believe Iran is stronger because the US invaded Iraq, then surely you supported US policies that helped Saddam so Iraq would keep Iran’s influence in check. Right?

    DRJ (a431ca)

  10. Boy, nothing’s changed on this blog . . . everybody’s still salivating for more war. You guys can never get enough, can you?

    Phil (6d9f2f)

  11. Hillary’s the warmonger, Phil, go berate here.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  12. What happened to common sense?

    You do not threaten to obliterate an entire nation (with families and children and fathers and mothers etc) just because you think it will help in your election campaign.

    Mrs Clinton is no diferent from Bush.

    Justice (18a10f)

  13. Justice, so you are wilfully ignorant of the entire history of strategic nuclear warfare? Good show. I’m guessing you are also condemning retroactively all the other Democrats who made nuclear deterrent a part of their election campaigns – e.g., JFK.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  14. Boy, nothing’s changed on this blog . . . everybody’s still salivating for more war. You guys can never get enough, can you?

    And you’re still a troll, Phil.

    Paul (266a05)

  15. “If you believe Iran is stronger because the US invaded Iraq,”

    Is this something that people doubt?

    “then surely you supported US policies that helped Saddam so Iraq would keep Iran’s influence in check.”

    Which policies were those? I certainly don’t think we should have been selling either of them missiles. But I don’t know how much we needed to support saddams terror in order to kill Iranians, or prevent Iran from having influence in Iraq.

    stef (dfd808)

  16. Is this something that people doubt?

    Matter of fact, I think that everyone wo isn’t either brain-damages or REALLY stupid doubts that. But thanks for playing…

    Which policies were those?

    *falls out of his chair laughing*

    Oh god, that was priceless beyond imagining… History really DOES start in 1998 for you people, doesn’t it?

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  17. #17 and the folks who control the media, public broadcasting (everyone’s tax dollars), academia, the Hollywood “elite” and so on have the unmitigated gall to whine about Faux/Fixed News, Rush Limbaugh and conservative bloggers and desire that the so-called Fairness Doctrine be reinstituted because moonbats can’t win in the marketplace of ideas.

    Got a laugh over Sally Quinn’s Charlie Rose interview. Seems whites are the racists for going to “white Christian churches” and Wright is a great man. I thought the skank would have retired by now and not be projecting her own inadequacies on the white race. check out a thread about it on littlegreenfootballs And wasn’t she around for Watergate also? It seems like ’68 redux. Maybe some whack job like luap nor can run as 3rd party to ensure his buddy in isolationism obamaturd wins.

    madmax333 (8f5028)

  18. Stef, that was a hilarious demonstration of your practice of willful ignorance and selective editing of memory.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  19. “Stef, that was a hilarious demonstration of your practice of willful ignorance and selective editing of memory.”

    Whats the matter? The fact that the supreme council for Islamic revolution in Iraq is in thegovernment of iraq increases Iran’s power.

    stef (48e229)

  20. mm-hmm… You keep thinking that’s what we’re laughing about…

    Remember – if you convince yourself we’re laughing with and not at, it’ll all ok…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  21. For my mercedes emblem bearing friends. History’s lessons continuously repeat.

    From the ‘Tree of Battles’ Honore Bonet 1387

    “Whether this world can by nature be without conflict and at peace.”

    “No, it can by no means be so.”

    A Distant Mirror p.414
    Barbara Tuchman

    Sad but true. It is better to be prepared for battle and never engage than to ……………..

    Buckshot (b7af24)

  22. Oh Lord.

    DRJ, you posterized stef in #9, and the responses is a bewidered stef on shaky legs, with the Spalding logo imprinted across her forehead.

    Paul (266a05)

  23. Whoops, that line should read…

    DRJ, you posterized stef in #9, and the bewildered responses illustrate a stef on shaky legs, the Spalding logo clearly imprinted across her forehead.

    Paul (266a05)

  24. The larger issue here, not being discussed quite yet…is the Rashid Khalidi, Edward Said, Ali Abunimah, Nation of Islam, Samantha Power, Robert Malley, McPeak, Brzezinski, Lake connections that Sen. Obama has filled up his political coffers and life with.

    He is not a strong defender of Israel, in fact, his posturing on the issue for the sake of the election belie a rather strong history of blaming Israel.

    He is not likely to be forceful in her defense…because…frankly…he’s been on the other side for so long.

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  25. Whats the Edward Said – Obama connection?

    stef (b48186)

  26. The smartest thing we ever did was to go back to an all-volunteer armed forces.

    nk (1e7806)

  27. Whats the Edward Said – Obama connection?

    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/01/obamas_nation_o.html

    [I found this comment in the filter. — DRJ]

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  28. Stef

    Debbie Schlussel has a full article on it. Simply google obama and edward said and her link will come oup. I have tried to post it here, but I keep getting caught up in the filter.

    It also details the Nation of Islam high ranking staffers. I apologize for my inability to simply post it myself.

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  29. “Debbie Schlussel has a full article on it.”

    The ever reliable Debbie, but this article just has some pictures of them at a community event where Said spoke. I like how her source is titled “How Barack Obama learned to love Israel.”

    stef (8098e7)

  30. “The ever reliable Debbie, but this article just has some pictures of them at a community event where Said spoke. I like how her source is titled “How Barack Obama learned to love Israel.”

    Well, stef…it’s not about how reliable you believe Debbie is…it’s about the picture showing them together, it’s about his Pro-Palestinian connections, it’s about the Nation of Islam staffers…we can keep running away from who Sen. Obama has been for his entire life, but eventually, it makes more sense to simply confront it and discuss it.

    And if the ONLY sources who are willing to discuss this without fawning over him are people who are viewed with a jaundiced eye, that isn’t the fault of those folks doing the vetting. The fault falls firmly in the laps of those whose legs are tingling and quivering so much, they can’t stand up for the truth and objectivity.

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  31. Cfbleachers, you may have a legitimate point buried in there but if so, you’d do well not to rely on a moron like Schlussel to document it.

    Xrlq (b71926)

  32. Xrlq

    My problem is, nobody else is talking about it. It can’t seem to get any traction, even though I consider it all part of a continuing theme.

    Sen. Obama’s chief blogger is Sam Graham-Felsen, a Chomskyite Socialists.

    Sen. Obama’s mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, a CPUSA member.

    Sen. Obama went to college to track down and embrace the most extreme hard leftist professors.

    Sen. Obama came back and hooked up with Saul Alinsky and Jeremiah Wright…two very hard leftists, the latter a former Muslim who ran a Marxist inspired church of black nationalism.

    Sen. Obama took numerous Jeremiah Wright tapes with him to law school and studied them intensely. He goes to Sidley & Austin to intern and meets Michelle, at a time when Berardine Dorhn was working there.

    He befriends Ayers and Dorhn, two unrepentant urban terrorists and extreme hard leftists, and begins a cross-pollination of serving on boards with and FOR Ayers.

    He goes on the Million Man March, and thereafter, several of his highest ranking staffers happen to be Nation of Islam disciples, Cynthia K. Miller, Jennifer Mason, Shakir Muhammed, people who hold extremely strong anti-America, anti-white, anti-Israel sentiments.

    He has a relationship with Ali Abunimah and with Said himself, people who hold very strong anti-Israel, anti-America worldviews.

    The central thread weaving through his lifetime, is that he has actively sought out these hard left, anti-America, anti-Israel worldviews.

    It is not “happenstance” that his contacts include them, these are not remote and isolated relationships. They define his entire existence to this point.

    Why are leftists running away from this? Why is this shrouded in secrecy?

    He is running as a post-racial, centrist. Where is the evidence to back up that image? Virtually every step of his entire lifetime has been in precisely the opposite direction.

    If he has indeed moved away from hard leftism, THAT journey would be the most interesting and informative of the entire campaign.

    If he has not…and he is pretending he is…THAT is the most important fact in the entire campaign. Why would he be faking to be someone he is almost completely polar to in real life?

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  33. “If he has indeed moved away from hard leftism, THAT journey would be the most interesting and informative of the entire campaign.”

    Wasn’t he touring with some anti-gay guy for a while? Thats quite a bit away from ‘hard left.’

    stef (2b5cca)

  34. Obliterate. Kill; wipe out. Mark for total deletion, or erase. Do away with completely without a trace. Blot out. Efface: remove completely from recognition or memory. Reduced to nothingness.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  35. One of the more astonishing behaviors of Obama and his cult is the habit of just pretending that Obama’s past actions and positions no longer exist.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  36. Wasn’t he touring with some anti-gay guy for a while? Thats quite a bit away from ‘hard left.’

    Stef, is it your proposition that Sen. Obama is anti-gay?

    If not, I apologize, I don’t follow the point.

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  37. The problem with losing trust is that even when you say something that well….makes sense its hard not to read it as another lie. Hillary has made it hard for anyone to really believe her words. Thats the price you pay for distortions, lies, politricks and yes, lies. So when I heard those words something jumped inside of me. I was excited! But then, it was Hillary. I am as pro Israel as it gets and I will support any position that will defend and protect her. I dont hate the people of Iran though, just that whacko despot. So for the first time, Hillary made a great point but then it was Hillary.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  38. SPQR – Are you talking about Obama v.2002, v.2006.1, v.2007, v.2008.1, 0r v.2008.2. You need to refer to correct release version for me to respond.

    daleyrocks (906622)

  39. “Stef, is it your proposition that Sen. Obama is anti-gay?”

    My proposition is just what I said: that touring with an anti-gay preacher is quite a move away from the “hard left.”

    stef (5e1d16)

  40. daleyrocks, at least I don’t have to give you a patch number … do I?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  41. SPQR – I don’t think you can patch that sucker!

    daleyrocks (906622)

  42. Well, they may disagree on Iran, but are they both suggested as favorites by FARC?

    I mean, speaking of hard leftists…

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/05/interpol-confirms-authenticity-of-raul.html

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  43. I got caught up in the filter again…drats!

    cfbleachers (4040c7)


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