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4/30/2008

Hometown Paper Takes Obama to Task

Filed under: 2008 Election — DRJ @ 3:15 pm

[Guest post by DRJ]

We let close friends and family say things to us that we would reject from others. Maybe that explains why Chicago Sun Times’ columnist Carol Marin feels free to speak bluntly with Barack Obama about Jeremiah Wright:

“What took Barack Obama so long? Yes, the “old uncle who says things I don’t always agree with” is no longer welcome for dinner. That was the Illinois senator’s urgently delivered message about his fiery former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whom he had previously denounced but not, until Tuesday, disowned.

What the presidential candidate from Chicago had to say was strongly worded, solemn and angry. It was powerful and personal. But it still raises the question of his response time. In political terms, this was a 3 a.m. phone call that went into voice mail.

Marin notes that Obama had nothing new to say on Monday after Wright’s National Press Club speech. It was only on Tuesday, after a day of bad press and polls, that Obama forcefully responded. Marin speculates this reflects as much about Obama’s judgment as his ability to act decisively:

“On Tuesday, after Obama’s stinging denunciation of Wright, a reporter asked why he couldn’t have said all of that on the tarmac? Because, said the candidate, he “hadn’t seen it.” Memo to staff: Please keep presidential hopeful posted.

This isn’t the first time the campaign has waited out a problem, declining to take a controversy by the horns.

It took a relentless chorus of Chicago media almost a year to finally get Obama and his people to deliver long-asked-for documents and answer what were, at best, incompletely answered questions about his former friend and now-indicted fund-raiser, Tony Rezko. He finally did so in March.

There are judgment questions, fair ones, to be asked about Obama’s past dealings with controversial people. On Tuesday, his answers about Wright were filled with a purpose and passion that seemed to have been lacking lately.

But what those answers have yet to resolve is the matter of decisiveness, of acting quickly, speaking forcefully, and perhaps not waiting for overnight polling numbers or a full-blown disaster, to decide the next day’s course.”

We don’t always make good decisions in life but it’s often worse to succumb to indecision. Refusing to make a decision is still a decision.

– DRJ

103 Responses to “Hometown Paper Takes Obama to Task”

  1. Can’t have too many Rev. Wright posts, I say.

    Carol Marin has terrific cred. She quit a high-paying anchor gig when the station decided to give Jerry Springer a commentary slot.

    I doubt Obama breaking with Wright a day earlier would have made much difference, though. The campaign knew a year ago Wright and Rezko were oncoming trains.

    steve (3c128a)

  2. Wright, Rezko, Ahers/Dohrn, etc.
    How many skeletons does this guy have hanging around?

    If I was a leading Dem functionary, I would be really embarassed?
    But then, Libs have no shame, do they?

    Another Drew (f9dd2c)

  3. “The campaign knew a year ago Wright and Rezko were oncoming trains.”

    So did the New York Times, except now it’s convenient for it to pretend that it didn’t know and that it is SHOCKED by the latest developments.

    daleyrocks (906622)

  4. In the interest of being fair and balanced, we should also look in on the Sun-Times’ Mary Mitchell, via Baldilocks.

    This is a sad day for Black America.

    At a time when African Americans are on the cusp of watching a barrier come crashing down, up jumps a divisive issue that is being driven by those outside of the black community.

    Obviously, Wright’s timing for a press conference about his sermons couldn’t have been worse.

    Still, when Obama says he is “offended” by Wright’s latest comments — given in defense against an orchestrated assault on his character and on his ministry — he’s opening up a can of worms.

    There is no institution in the black community more respected than the black church. And the notion that white pundits can dictate what constitutes unacceptable speech in the black church is repulsive to most black people.

    Pablo (99243e)

  5. “…driven by those outside of the black community…” ?

    I’m sorry, did I miss the thugs from the CIA holding a gun to the good Reverend’s head?

    A community of victims, obviously.

    Another Drew (f9dd2c)

  6. So did the New York Times, except now it’s convenient for it to pretend that it didn’t know and that it is SHOCKED by the latest developments.

    So did all Chicago media. Brian Ross had no expectation his March 13th ABC piece would deep-six a front-runner.

    steve (3c128a)

  7. Wanna bet that next week Obama IS having dinner with the Reverend?

    Kevin Murphy (805c5b)

  8. My lips are sealed.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  9. #2 Another Drew – So many skeletons that one watching an Obama press conference might mistake it for an episode of CSI.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  10. In my mind the real question is how the paper will justify supporting his sinking bid for the Presidency after firing this broadside of reality.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  11. One time, The Sun Times had a second page story about a nine-year old girl who had been gunned down in Chicago’s South Side. About page 5, Mary Mitchell had a column titled “What’s Wrong With Us?” It was not about the little girl. It was about a black woman pulling a “queen bitch” act on the black security guard in the lobby of the Sun Times building.

    nk (1f1707)

  12. Color me cynical.

    Obama’s first response to Wrights comments was along the lines that every family has a crazy uncle.

    Well Uncle Wright has shot off his mouth publicly 3 1/2 times (you can’t really count the love fest with mayers) in 10 days, and suddenly Obama discovers his uncle is an intolerable bigot.

    Maybe years of Clintonian “wag the dog” tactics has made me see bad guys hiding in the shadows but I firmly believe that Wright made his public comments after weeks of canceling appearances to give give Obama a reason and a chance to disown him.

    Do you really think that 20 years of Clinton politics and a staff of Clinton castoffs/refugee’s have learned nothing.

    We witnessed a put up job in an effort to seperate his from 20 years of attending this bigot’s church.

    MaaddMaaxx (5d8bb9)

  13. This stupid line quoted above really offended me: “There is no institution in the black community more respected than the black church. And the notion that white pundits can dictate what constitutes unacceptable speech in the black church is repulsive to most black people.

    The “Black Church” can fill itself with all the hatred and conspiracy nutball theorists it wants. That’s the First Amendment. And I can choose to reject presidential candidates who listen to the crap – that’s my right as a voter. Anyone who thinks otherwise can stuff it.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  14. In all fairness, Obama could have done better.

    (1) I dont understand why he retained the name “Hussein” when he had become a practising christian. He should have picked up a xtian name: John, James. George or if he wanted the alphabet “H” in his initials, he could have used names like :Herbert, Hugh, Howard, Henry etc. That was a fundamental error in jugdement.
    (2) He should have left that church on hearing the kind of hate messages that this man Wright was full of. He didnt have to stay there. If he could do it yesterday, he could have done it years ago. The problem he is having now is not that people believe he shares wrights warped views about america, but their real problem is how could he stay that long in that kind of place and not be influenced by it? Why did he stay? This singular error could well be the archilles heel of his candidacy.
    (3) He did not prepare to be president. He seems to have recently decided to run for the office out of second thought. He didnt have long to think about it or he would seen the aspects of his life that could have ruined his chances and taken care of them then. Not to have them come back in your election prime time year and haunt you. He should have known he could be president.
    Whats left now is for history to write. Posterity will look back at today and learn one important wisdom, your associations can make you or mar you. What a hard way to have learnt it. What Obama needs now is a miracle, that is if such things exist in politics. We shall see.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  15. “So did all Chicago media. Brian Ross had no expectation his March 13th ABC piece would deep-six a front-runner.”

    That is not correct, although it is true that after some deft backhanding and demurring, Obama successfully brushed off questions raised about his church back when he was running for the Senate. Yes, the local media here did fall down on their jobs, but they really had little motivation to look for dirt, since the GOP is a complete joke of a party at this point in Illinois. But not to worry – the current Governor looks likely to be up next for the Feds, and Da Mare is also getting ready to end his reign just ahead of the jailers.

    Dmac (9dd3a1)

  16. He did not prepare to be president. He seems to have recently decided to run for the office out of second thought. He didnt have long to think about it or he would seen the aspects of his life that could have ruined his chances and taken care of them then.

    Lovey – You mean he should have made more of an effort to hide who he really is like most successful liberal politicians. They have already learned the lesson that if you tell voters what you really think, nobody will vote for you.

    daleyrocks (906622)

  17. Obama is a phenomenon and did not really plan much beyond the Senate, I suspect. When the Democratic field proved to be as weak as it is, opportunity knocked. I don’t blame him for grabbing it but what excuse do the professional pols have ?

    Something like this happened with Bill Clinton. Bush I looked unbeatable and Cuomo and some others passed on the race. Then, Bush raised taxes and got a recession. Suddenly, the Dem nomination was worth something but nobody else was ready. Only Perot made Clinton president. That and fantastic luck. Obama’s luck seems to be running out. Hillary may yet get the nomination the way things are going. She would be a formidable candidate after all this but I think the party will not get over the split if Obama goes down. McCain is pretty lucky but he always has been, with the exception of that NV missile.

    Mike K (86bddb)

  18. No Daley,
    He didnt have to “hide” anything. He simply should have taken steps not allow certain wrong ties to define him. By cutting them off long before now. I dont think Obama has anything to “hide”, just that he did not start off as smart as he has become.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  19. Yep, Mike, there is a lack of talent at the national level for the GOP lately, but the Democrats really outshine in terms of a lack of talent. Mediocrity would be an improvement over the slate that they started with. Only Bill Richardson having even the minimum of qualifications.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  20. love2008, actually he has a lot to hide, some of which has only begun to be exposed, like his corrupt dealings with Rezko. The association with Ayers is just now getting attention.

    When the details of his work at the Joyce Foundation comes out, Obama will be completely unelectable.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  21. “(1) I dont understand why he retained the name “Hussein” when he had become a practising christian. He should have picked up a xtian name: John, James. George or if he wanted the alphabet “H” in his initials, he could have used names like :Herbert, Hugh, Howard, Henry etc. That was a fundamental error in jugdement.”

    - love2008

    That… is a load of horseshit. He should’ve changed his name because a bunch of fucking retards think “Hussein = Terrorist”? No. A name’s a name; it should mean a great deal to its possessor, and nothing to anyone else. I would be utterly ashamed of this country if Obama had to change his middle name to be president.

    Leviticus (f90f1e)

  22. When the details of his work at the Joyce Foundation comes out, Obama will be completely unelectable.

    Comment by SPQR
    Will you be so kind as to fill us in on the details of this “work” Can it get any worse?

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  23. There’s some discussion of Obama and the Joyce Foundation in this post.

    DRJ (a431ca)

  24. SPQR & DRJ – Do you think that even this might make the Dems think that they should internally vet their candidates, or if maybe they have a little buyers remorse yet?

    JD (5f0e11)

  25. Apart from winning, I think the Democrats’ main goal in 2008 is running candidates that unify the Party on an anti-Bush platform. Of course, Republicans have their moments when they become fixated on a particular cause, like they did with Shiavo and Elian. If this is the equivalent moment for Democrats, I think it will be more destructive.

    DRJ (a431ca)

  26. “If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Wright told the newspaper with a shrug in April 2007. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said, ‘Yeah, that might have to happen.’

    Denouncing Wright, comes now when his campaign is in trouble.
    The above quote shows they had agreed in advance that might happen.
    So, this is just another calculated political move for Obama.

    Jen (90d953)

  27. Jen – Perhaps, but it’s a poor move on his part IMO, as it shows credulousness, a lack of decisiveness and a Clintonian ability to pander politically. All ideas contrary to his stated goal to transcend politics.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  28. JD, the Democrats picked John Kerry, the second most ludicrous choice available in 2004 ( the first being Silky Pony himself ), why they didn’t figure out that their primary process was broken then, I don’t know.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  29. SPQR – are you really asking Democrats to assess their political judgment? Take that one too far and there won’t be anybody nominated.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  30. For 20 years Obama listened to Wright’s rantings and ravings against America and was not offended. The day after Wright’s rantings and ravings began to affect poll numbers in Indiana and North Carolina, it was time to throw him under the bus.

    Zoltan (51113c)

  31. Let’s face it. As long as Wright was preaching his hate mongering, attacking whites, Jews and the government, it meant nothing to Obama and he even went so far as to throw dear old granny under the bus to make excuses for Wright. Now, it has become personal and all of a sudden, Obama is outraged and so he throws “the man he could no more disown that he could disown the black community” under the bus. Wright can say what he wants about other people, but not about Obama. Question; does this mean that Obama has now disowned the black community? Or do the rules change when you are caught with your fly down?

    Obama wants you to believe that Wright recently had a change in beliefs, mentioning that this was not the man he has known for almost 20 years. Nevermind that Wright was so volatile when he first started looking for a church that the Baptists wouldn’t take him although his father was a well respected Baptist minister. So the United Church of Christ picked him up even though they knew he was a radical. Obama wants you to believe that all those recorded sermons of Wright’s that he took with him when he went to Harvard did not contain any “controversial” statements.

    Does Obama believe Wright’s hate speech? Probably not, but that brings up a matter that is almost as bad as if he did. That he joined Trinity for street cred and to further his credentials in a community that is very leary of outsiders. Outsiders like a “community activist” that hailed from Hawaii.

    Obama’s problems are not over. Now the MSM sharks smell blood in the water and they will swim in for the kill. Ayers, Dohrn (and her association with Colombia’s FARC), Rezko and a infamous PLO supporter who entertained Obama at his house numerous times. Americans who are basically centerists are not going to like knowing that Obama is comfortable with left wing lunatics who think they did not do enough bombings in their radical days.

    retire05 (da8923)

  32. I’m sorry, but the timing is just too pat …. the media show too planned … as much as I don’t want to believe this to be a staged event, it does not pass the smell test…

    johnd (734564)

  33. The Rev. Wright is laughing up his sleave at “dumb America” and the gullable press

    johnd (734564)

  34. Does Obama believe Wright’s hate speech? Probably not, but that brings up a matter that is almost as bad as if he did. That he joined Trinity for street cred and to further his credentials in a community that is very leary of outsiders. Outsiders like a “community activist” that hailed from Hawaii

    I am not picking on you retire05, I want to make that clear at the outset. I think your posts are cogent and reasoned.

    But, I’m not so sure about the conclusions above. Yes, Sen. Obama indeed may have had DUAL purposes for joining a church that gave him street cred, but I think folks continue to miss the connectivity of Jerepariah Wright and Frank Marshall Davis.

    Folks are not connecting the dots. We need to peel the onion.

    The connections start with mommy and daddy Obama. Mommy saw religion with a rather jaundiced eye. She was a bit of a “free spirit” who has gone pretty much unexamined by the deadwood media…but, the family from Kansas seemed to have some unique associations and very wide range of ideas.

    Sen. Obama suggests that Granny was afraid of black men, yet Frank Marshall Davis became friends with “a family in Hawaii”. These cloudy references have not been fully explored by the deadwood media either. If it was Granny and Grampa, this kind of puts a different spin on how “afrain” of black men Granny was. Or CPUSA members.

    In any event, the story unfolds a bit differently because if Mommy, Granny and Gramps were all “free spirits” and quite comfortable with very hard leftist worldviews, then the Frank Marshall Davis mentoring of young Barry Obama which continues a narrative and an imprint makes some sense.

    When Sen. Obama is sent off to college…his imprint of radical leftism is taken with him and he seeks out the most radical professors to continue and deepen his embrace of that worldview.

    At no time and in no place…does he denounce or divorce himself from such a worldview. In fact, and this is important to remember…he continues to seek out the most radical voices and embraces them.

    When he graduates from law school, he interns at Sidley & Austin. (this is where he meets Michelle). But he does not stay there, he goes instead to Judson Miner’s firm. A firm well known in Chicago for its liberal political connections and stances.

    He joins up with Rev. Jeremiah Wright …who is no shrinking wallflower. Wright had been a disciple of Louis Farrakhan and to this day has a strong tie to the Nation of Islam’s leader…and that movement. Many of these ties and beliefs seep into the TUCC from the Pastor’s Page, newsletter and in his sermons.

    Wright’s version of Christianity, in fact, is really a cocktail of Black Liberation Marxism and the Nation of Islam’s black separatism. It is all tied together in an anti-American, anti-white, anti-Israel, anti-Jewish umbrella.

    But, for anyone to believe that the embrace of the radical views of Jerepariah Wright are an accident of fate…aren’t connecting the dots.

    Those radical views are the very magnet for Sen. Obama throughout his entire existence. He wouldn’t denounce and divorce himself from that worldview…because at no point and at no time had he ever divorced or denounced that worldview previously…in fact, quite the contrary. He actively sought out that worldview, to be associated with it and to embrace it.

    His actions suggest that he was very comfortable with Rashid Khalidi and Edward Said. This was not a remote, distant or sporadic embrace…again, it was consistent with a lifelong pattern of seeking and pursuing a particular worldview.

    When one views the Ayers and Dorhn association through the wider lens of Sen. Obama’s entire history…instead of the INSISTENT vacuum in which leftists and their deadwood media shills provide him a protective bubble, it crystallizes precisely how, why and who Sen. Obama brought into his inner circle. It was those folks he had been seeking for a lifetime. The family friendship with Frank Marshall Davis gives connectivity to the radical professors and on to Rev. Wright, the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, and it all gives connectivity to Ayers and Dorhn.

    The Che Guevara poster, the flag lapel pin, the hands in the pocket during the Pledge of Allegiance, the Nation of Islam members on his staff, the chief blogger Sam Graham-Felsen (a Chomskyite Socialist), the Joyce Foundation, the furthest left voting record…this is a narrative that is not disjointed or one of accident or happenstance.

    In Dreams of My Father, Sen. Obama does not seek to divorce himself from the socialist ideals, he seeks to embrace them.

    When Michelle Obama goes on the stump and talks about this country being angry, of her lacking pride, and when Sen. Obama goes to SF and says that hicks from the sticks cling to religion…these are not “out of context” snippets…this is a consistent worldview of radical leftism.

    This is Levi in a bottle. This is precisely as if Levi was packaged in a much more articluate, much more polished, much more palateable, more Ivy League, button down, Brooks Brothers shell..and presented to the public as a centrist.

    Levi is the Ayers/Dorhn version, openly hostile, angry, raging, hate-blame-slander America…the Yugo of American dispatriots.

    But the Sen. Obama version is much more lethal. He’s the smooth running, quiet ride of a Lexus. He has a calming effect, soothing and sleek.

    But the engine is the same in the hood. There is politically virtually no difference between Levi and Sen. Obama. Levi couldn’t garner one state in a national election. Nor could Wright, Ayers, Dorhn. Not one. All fifty states would be a complete wipeout…in fact, anyone with that message would be considered a fringe candidate.

    It is in the very suppression of the worldview that Sen Obama embraces, it is in the shrouding of his entire lifetime of pursuit and championing that worldview…that allows him to be seen as somehow different from Levi. But he isn’t. Not fundamentally. He is precisely the same product, just with different marketing.

    And, Levi doesn’t have the deadwood media and all of its branches providing cover for him.

    Nobody…and I mean virtually nobody…anywhere…is connecting the dots. They are falling prey to the “protective bubble” effect of isolating each “incident” and treating it as if it was somehow not a consistent lifelong pattern. This is why when they look at Sen. Obama…they don’t see Levi.

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  35. #34
    Makes a lot of sense. But if indeed there is such a conspiracy, why is Rev Wright coming out now to cast a spanner in the wheels? Shouldnt he be doing everything to support and aid Obama? Thats not what he is doing. If anything his recent appearance is hurting Obama’s chances.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  36. Makes a lot of sense. But if indeed there is such a conspiracy, why is Rev Wright coming out now to cast a spanner in the wheels? Shouldnt he be doing everything to support and aid Obama? Thats not what he is doing. If anything his recent appearance is hurting Obama’s chances.

    Lovie, I believe that Wright is not part of the political spectrum. He is so divorced from America, he is an island…and his message of anger, hostility, divisiveness and blame supercedes Sen. Obama’s campaign.

    He is a cult leader and HIS message of racial/class warfare will not take a backseat to any softer version of the message. He doesn’t believe it needs to be hidden from view.

    There is no conspiracy by Wright to keep the tone down to help Obama. Wright’s hatred is more powerful as a need to be fulfilled for Wright, than Obama’s need to keep it under wraps.

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  37. all of them: Obama, Michelle, Wright are people not to be trusted.

    Obama gives impression of weak person, he is not able to act fast in decision making. He is fast in copying and tv ads…but we do not need and we do not want resident as such.

    Michelle gives impression of selfish, cold, calculating person.

    Wright is simply crazy.

    Anne (42c569)

  38. #37
    And you write like a chinese. Just kidding. My way of saying welcome to the family.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  39. I recently read this in the Congresspedia,
    The Sunlight Foundation and the Center for Media and Democracy (http://www.sourcewatch.org.) This is an interesting web site about how the Democratic primaries and caucus works also the Republican’s as well. How Harry Reid (D) NV, Mitch McConnell R-Ky, Nancy Pelosi (D-Cal and Howard Dean pull all the power over the Democratic Party. Both Democrat Reid and Republican McConnell are running the FEC (Federal Election Board) both stop all investigations into corruption and fraud in the election system.

    North Carolina Super delegate FOR SALE? (this is just one of the articles there are many concerning fraud in our election system)

    Barack Obama has received a bit of a boost lately from super delegates and one has to wonder why? Well it could be that one would only have to look at donations to get an idea of what might be going on behind closed doors. Rep Heath Shuler is a super delegate, however, he has received a donation from Obama in the eye and wallet popping amount of $10,000.00. Will this have any influence on his Super Delegate vote? This donation could have a considerable impact on Shuler’s vote in this primary. Money talks!

    From the point of view of an everyday voter this certainly does look like back room deals are being struck or is there an attempt to “buy” super delegate votes from the voters of North Carolina? Is a North Carolina politician able to be bought? Though North Carolina voters should not feel alone, there is pattern of enormous donations to super delegates and it is repeated across the country. We will be taking a look at each and every one of them. The voters of this nation have a RIGHT to the TRUTH which the mass media is working hard to enable the Obama campaign to hide from voters.

    Mark J. (d671ab)

  40. #34 cfcheckers-
    kudos on an excellent assessment of what’s behind the empty suit. You do know that it may cause Levi’s BP to soar. His ilk reminds me of the toxic people I know who go ballistic with little urging. I was reading an ABC message board on the success of s’laup nor book on Amazon. Many of the paultards could be Levi clones.

    Will enough people awaken to the truth about Barry (middle naem deleted) Hussein’s world views? How don’t people see that he is not weak.At his age he should also be displaying far more energy on the trail than Hillary or McCain. Can imagine what living with that harridan Michelle is like. I see they were on a softball interview with M. Veira of Today Show. barry hussein has the gall to suggest his name is hurting him? Isn’t his exotic racial background helping him with the Bro’s though? …the great black hope. Like scum such as sKerry he doesn’t even belong in US Senate, but I guess few there do. Looks like his fellow girly man admirer Chrissie Matthews wants a senate seat also. Thet could compete to see whose the most to the left. Chrissie did such a fine job for Carter with that whole American malaise thing.

    madmax333 (ad2e53)

  41. I have a question for all the racists in the house (this means you!)

    What about the other tens of thousands of black people that heard Rev. Wright’s ‘hate speech’ over the course of their lives? I mean if Obama is some crazy racist Communist merely for attending the church, doesn’t that make all the other black people that attended crazy racist Communists? Rev. Wright has preached to teachers, and lawyers, and policemen, and doctors, are those peoples’ judgment as irreparably flawed as Obama’s? How can we trust any black doctor that listened to Rev. Wright to operate on a white person? How can we trust any black teacher who heard Wright’s sermons to teach white kids? How can we trust black cops, programmed by Rev. Wright to hate white people, to apply the law fairly to white people? How can we expect black soldiers that have heard Wright to not go to Iraq and frag all the white devils in their unit?

    Come on, you cowards. If Wright’s got Barack and Michelle brainwashed, he’s got all those other black people brainwashed, too, right? And their judgment is equally impaired, and they’re equally untrustworthy, right?

    Levi (76ef55)

  42. #39
    Rep Heath Shuler is a super delegate, however, he has received a donation from Obama in the eye and wallet popping amount of $10,000.00. Will this have any influence on his …vote?
    You mean $io,ooo.oo is enough to buy a superdelegate? Wow! I should get me some!

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  43. #34, cfbleachers;
    while most of your points are note worthy, some are a bit off mark.
    Yes, Obama’s mother was an atheist. He refers to her as “spiritual” but not religious. Nice dodge to not say that she did not believe in God. His grandparents were basically the same. His father, who had virtually no impact on his youth, was a Muslim apostate. So Barry grew up not believing in God, but in “social justice” as his guiding power. i.e. watered down Marxism. And yes, Frank Marshall Davis played a part, but only in the respect that he influence Obama, Sr. before he left for Harvard and subsequently returned to Kenya where he advocated Marxist type socialism for that nation. Frank Marshall Davis would have as much/or as little influence on Obama in his youth as attending a school where the Koran was taught. Minimal.

    On page 46 of Obama’s book, granny is not afraid of “black” men, she was frightened by a panhandler who just happened to be black. As a matter of fact, granny never told Barry the panhandler was black, Gramps did. Obama changed the story to bolster his defence of Jeremiah Wright in his speech given in Philadelphia. Another fact our watch-dog media failed to pick up on.
    Lets’s not forget that there was an infamous employee at Sidley-Austin that Obama surely met in his days there; Bernadette Dohrn. Considering the people he sought to associate with during his college days, he would have felt right at home engaging in conversation with Dohrn. That dot I have already connected.

    The truth of events is that Obama joined Trinity, against the advise of other black Chicago ministers, because it gave him street cred with a community that distrusted outsiders. And since Trinity is Afro-centric, his connection to Africa, though a absentee father, added a little more cred. His Trinity membership preceeds his Harvard days so he took that philosophy with him to Harvard.

    Now to some errors (some moot, some not) on your part.
    Wright was not a student of Farrakhan, but a contemporary. Wright was a student of James Cone and W. J. DuBois. Especially Cone. Cone’s views permeate Wright’s sermons and has from the beginning, hence the Baptist Church’s refusal to grant him a church.

    Obama was a close personal friend of Rashid Khalidi. I believe Edward Said may have already been dead at the time. But Khalidi was pro Palestinian PLO at the time and remains so today. Not exactly a thing that will endear Jewish voters to Obama.

    Obama did not put his hands in his pockets during the National Anthem. He folded them in front of him over his crotch. Not an important error on your part, but an error.

    So make no mistake; I am connecting the dots. I understand that Obama has viturally no record to run on so he has used the “judgement” stchick. When one looks at his formers associates under clear scrutiny, his “judgement” comes into question.

    What no one is asking (as most of the media are in the Obama tank) is what was his record in his Illinois 13th district. A district that was falling farther and farther into poverty while his buddy, Tony Rezko was contributing to that blight and at the same time filling Obama’s campaign coffers. It is fair to ask if Obama would take the nation down the same road he took the 13th Illinois district. With the recent killing spree that is taking place in Chicago, it is obvious that no lasting improvement in the lives of Obama’s constitutants took place there.

    It was recently reported that Obama has donated to charity campaign contributions associated with a friend of Tony Rezko who is wanted by InterPol.

    Yes, I have connected the dots and they all lead to a man who is comfortable with terrorists, crooks, PLO supporters, anti-semites and basically anyone who anti-American. Let’s not forget that FARC documents recently discovered by the Colombian government state that they have a connection to Obama. Considering that Bernadette Dohrn is sympathetic to FARC and has made recent trips to Colombia to talk with FARC, you could question if there is not just one degree of separation there.

    Obama is not what he seems. He is a myth. A PR campaign. A Pied Piper who says not to question his patriotism because he refuses to wear a flag lapel pin yet questions the patriotism of those who do because they do not subscribe to his agenda. He has capitalized on his JFK similarities; his youth, his education, his educated wife and young family, his oratory. But there the similarities end. He is no JFK. He is Stevenson. And he is dangerous.

    retire05 (1d8a2f)

  44. I have a question for all the racists in the house (this means you!)

    There is the Levi we have grown to expect.

    JD (75f5c3)

  45. There is the Levi we have grown to expect.

    And here’s the question-dodging JD I’ve come to expect? Why don’t you want to answer? Scared?

    Levi (76ef55)

  46. There aren’t any racists “in the house”, Levi, so no one would answer your faux question.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  47. There aren’t any racists “in the house”, Levi, so no one would answer your faux question.

    In that case…

    I have a question for all the people throwing a fit about Rev. Wright in the house (this means you!)

    What about the other tens of thousands of black people that heard Rev. Wright’s ‘hate speech’ over the course of their lives? I mean if Obama is some crazy racist Communist merely for attending the church, doesn’t that make all the other black people that attended crazy racist Communists? Rev. Wright has preached to teachers, and lawyers, and policemen, and doctors, are those peoples’ judgment as irreparably flawed as Obama’s? How can we trust any black doctor that listened to Rev. Wright to operate on a white person? How can we trust any black teacher who heard Wright’s sermons to teach white kids? How can we trust black cops, programmed by Rev. Wright to hate white people, to apply the law fairly to white people? How can we expect black soldiers that have heard Wright to not go to Iraq and frag all the white devils in their unit?

    Come on, you cowards. If Wright’s got Barack and Michelle brainwashed, he’s got all those other black people brainwashed, too, right? And their judgment is equally impaired, and they’re equally untrustworthy, right?

    Can you give it a shot now SPQR?

    Levi (76ef55)

  48. Well, I’m sure a good number of them do firmly believe the white man created AIDS to kill them, but none of THEM are trying to get the job of “Leader of the Free World”…

    So I really only care about Senator and Mrs Obama’s views…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  49. BTW, it would seem to me that this white-man creation (AIDS) was VERY poorly done. Not only does it take DECADES to kill, but it also infects white people.

    Very sloppy job. I will have to speak with the leaders of the Cabal about it.

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  50. The whole “you are smearing black churchgoers” meme that Levi attempts, but fails with utter incompetence above, was well answered by Karl at Protein Wisdom where Karl linked to quotes from Black ministers expressing dismay at Wright’s racist, hate and conspiracy filled rants.

    Attempting to insulate people from having their hatred pointed out by claiming racism is a rather dishonest tactic, but nothing that is a surprise from Levi. That he tried to copy it and botched it anyway is amusing side entertainment.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  51. Well, I’m sure a good number of them do firmly believe the white man created AIDS to kill them, but none of THEM are trying to get the job of “Leader of the Free World”…

    So I really only care about Senator and Mrs Obama’s views…

    That’s really convenient. I mean really, really convenient. Only the Presidency is off-limits for the brainwashed masses from Trinity. And wouldn’t ya know it, Obama’s running for President. So of course he’s a crazy liar that hates white people and can’t be trusted, but the thousands of other crazy liars that hate white people can be, because you’re not competing against them in an election.

    I would think, if you were genuinely concerned with what was going on in this church, you would at least advocate barring all of Wright’s congregation from serving with white people in the military? How could our white soldiers trust a Wright-minded black guy? We have to protect ourselves from this cult that Wright is running, don’t we?

    Levi (76ef55)

  52. Levi, making up wild strawmen so that you can then enjoy beating them all as racists is not among the most juvenile of your arguments, but it is in the top 5. Grow up, and wipe the spittle off your chin.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  53. The whole “you are smearing black churchgoers” meme that Levi attempts, but fails with utter incompetence above, was well answered by Karl at Protein Wisdom where Karl linked to quotes from Black ministers expressing dismay at Wright’s racist, hate and conspiracy filled rants.

    At the very least, aren’t you smearing all of the people that have ever attended Wright’s church? I’m not setting the standard here, the whole issue, according to you, is that Barack and Michelle attended this guy’s church for 20 years. Well, so have other people. Some for longer. If Obama’s untrustworthy and without good judgment, aren’t those other people, too?

    I never said anything about ‘other black ministers.’ I’m talking about the thousands of black people that attended Wright’s church, that lined up outside to do so, each and every week, for decades. If Obama is a biased charlatan unfit for public service based on his doing that, aren’t all those other people guilty of the same thing?

    Attempting to insulate people from having their hatred pointed out by claiming racism is a rather dishonest tactic, but nothing that is a surprise from Levi. That he tried to copy it and botched it anyway is amusing side entertainment.

    It’s more a combination of racism, stupidity, and political necessity. Face it pal, if Obama didn’t have Rev. Wright in his past, you’d have no argument against him.

    Levi (76ef55)

  54. SPQR – Take it easy on Levi. He’s just a kid. He’s can’t help if he sucks at what he does. Give him ten years after he gets a job and he figures out how the world works and I’ll bet he’ll be a conservative. He’s just running on emotion not facts, which are completely absent from his comments.

    I wonder if calls his mom or dad dumbass or racist. What a fucking twit.

    daleyrocks (906622)

  55. Levi, making up wild strawmen so that you can then enjoy beating them all as racists is not among the most juvenile of your arguments, but it is in the top 5. Grow up, and wipe the spittle off your chin.

    I don’t think you get what a strawman is. I’m just trying to flesh this out logically. And you’re too scared to take that journey with me, again, as usual.

    Levi (76ef55)

  56. It’s more a combination of racism, stupidity, and political necessity. Face it pal, if Obama didn’t have Rev. Wright in his past, you’d have no argument against him.

    ROLTFLMAO

    daleyrocks (906622)

  57. If you don’t know what a strawman argument is, then get an education. Because its getting tiresome to see you fill comment threads with them.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  58. Only the Presidency is off-limits for the brainwashed masses from Trinity

    So two people make up a “mass” now, eh?

    Look, people can think and believe whatever they want. So long as they don’t affect/control my life, I honestly couldn’t care less.

    But that isn’t the case with Senator Obama, is it? Not only is he one of my Senators, he wants to be my President.

    That isn’t a job I would like to have held by a guy who buys into what Rev. Wright is selling, or who is buddies with folks like Ayers or his wife, or is crooked (as is highly suggested from his association to Rezko, let alone being a part of the Daley/Chicago Political Machine).

    If McCain were an regular attendee at a church that taught that Blacks were sub-human, would that be something not valid for discussion?

    If you were to answer that honestly, I think we know what the answer would be. Sadly, I don’t think you’ll be honest.

    Nothing personal, you just have shown an utter ability to be honest in the past.

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  59. Not merely dishonest, Scott, but clueless about the implications of his own arguments.

    I suspect because they are all plagiarized and beyond his ken.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  60. Levi – Do you subscribe to Rev. Wright’s views?

    daleyrocks (906622)

  61. dalyrocks, Levi hasn’t even figured out that even Obama is denouncing Wright’s views as unacceptable.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  62. So Levi, if you don’t subscibe to Rev. Wright’s views, are you smearing the parishoners of TUCC along with Obama and all those you call “racist” on this blog?

    daleyrocks (906622)

  63. I think Levi’s really been losing it with Obama’s continued collapse in the polls. I’ll bet he forced himself to go quiet there for a while because he couldn’t trust himself to control his rage. Immature fuckstick.

    Did you know that 90% of Obama’s lead over Hillary in the popular vote comes from the state of Illinois and that 90% of that is from Cook County (Chicago and suburbs). That’s some good stuff for superdels to consider, especially with Obama’s inability to win big states. McGovernizing the party again.

    daleyrocks (906622)

  64. Levi: At the very least, aren’t you smearing all of the people that have ever attended Wright’s church? I’m not setting the standard here, the whole issue, according to you, is that Barack and Michelle attended this guy’s church for 20 years. Well, so have other people. Some for longer. If Obama’s untrustworthy and without good judgment, aren’t those other people, too?

    Yes, they are….if they too believe, as Obama does, in these theories that Wright expouses….

    Now, make your points that they shouldn’t be smeared, as Obama has been, by following/espousing/supporting those beliefs…

    reff (bff229)

  65. Levi is a raving racist bigot.

    PCD (5c49b0)

  66. So am I…I just want to see Levi have to admit it…

    reff (bff229)

  67. Leviticus: “A name’s a name; it should mean a great deal to its possessor, and nothing to anyone else.”

    Why should a name “mean a great deal” to a person but “nothing to anyone else”?

    Person No. 85 (7b1a1b)

  68. Obviously, after 20 years of being tied at the hip with Wright, and distancing himself only after it became a political necessity, it appears to be extremely disingenuous. While I admire Obama’s ‘controlled’ manner, and everybody claims that Obama finally got ‘stern’ with Wright … Obama doesn’t really seem to express much passion, or emotion in his rebuke. If someone threw me to the wolves, like Wright did to Obama, old friend or not, I’d be so pissed off, would be ANGRY … and everyone would know it. Quite frankly, I still am not sure what Obama really thinks, or believes in. I think he will simply do, or say whatever it takes to get himself elected.

    Howard (0c14d8)

  69. Well, first to Levi’s rant…because it is easiest to discard since it makes little sense, the “everyone who went there is also nyah, nyah, nyah” is a typically puerile repsonse to a historical review of Obama’s embrace of Wright.

    We have no knowledge of the other congregationist members…but those who patted him on the back, smiling… when he launched into one of his lunatic tirades, are equally unfit to lead a nation filled with many races, religions, colors and creeds of people.

    The cesspool of bile and hatred is something you can dip your feet in, swim in or drink from.

    If you agree with the hatred and bile, you are unfit to lead and you are probably unfit to represent an array of people at any level. Whether that hatred and bile comes from David Duke or it comes from Jeremiah Wright, doesn’t make you “more fit” nor is it more excusable.

    How deeply any one person embraced that hatred and bile…is the question. We don’t know about the other people…they didn’t write books about it.

    We don’t know about the other people, they didn’t try to provide cover for him…calling him a charming “Uncle”.

    We don’t know about other people, they didn’t attempt at first to contextualize or give moral equivocations for the words, deeds, behaviors and slanders.

    For those in that congregation who bathe themselves in the divisiveness, class warfare and racial warfare of Jeremiah Wright, they are indeed unfit to lead as well.

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  70. Levi: “Face it pal, if Obama didn’t have Rev. Wright in his past, you’d have no argument against him.”

    Aside from the fact that Wright is kinda a big deal, what’s your argument for Obama? A racial uniter? What?

    Person No. 85 (7b1a1b)

  71. Levi – How many of those doctors, lawyers, military members, and police officers used Rev. Wright’s sermons as inspiration for writing a book? How many of them call him their spiritual advisor and mentor? How many of them appointed Rev. Wright to positions within their companies?

    JD (75f5c3)

  72. “Face it pal, if Obama didn’t have Rev. Wright in his past, you’d have no argument against him.”

    Sure I do. He is horrific on taxes, will surrender in Iraq, and wants to social healthcare. Just for starters.

    JD (75f5c3)

  73. Never have I seen so many people proud to call themselves racist. Its becoming fashionable dont you think? Rev Wright is really making impact. So sad.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  74. Who, exactly, has proudly proclaimed to be a racist?

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  75. #73:

    Never have I seen so many people proud to call themselves racist.

    Then you haven’t been around terribly long.

    When that’s what irresponsible ideologues are reduced to calling you because they cannot refute your arguments, and its obvious that such charges are patently absurd, then intelligent people can take a modicum of pride in their elocution.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  76. Yes, Obama’s mother was an atheist. He refers to her as “spiritual” but not religious. Nice dodge to not say that she did not believe in God.

    Obama does quite a bit of dodging hin his book, with “Frank” and with his father’s beliefs as well.

    His grandparents were basically the same. His father, who had virtually no impact on his youth, was a Muslim apostate. So Barry grew up not believing in God, but in “social justice” as his guiding power. i.e. watered down Marxism.

    Not so sure how watered down the Marxism was, it’s tough to get a grasp on how the household discussed these issues, but it’s pretty clear that it was not a faith based household.

    And yes, Frank Marshall Davis played a part, but only in the respect that he influence Obama, Sr. before he left for Harvard and subsequently returned to Kenya where he advocated Marxist type socialism for that nation. Frank Marshall Davis would have as much/or as little influence on Obama in his youth as attending a school where the Koran was taught. Minimal.

    From the things that I have read, his influence on Sen. Obama was profound, he spent quite a bit of time with him and while some of that time was discussing poetry, much of it involved the discussion of class warfare issues.

    On page 46 of Obama’s book, granny is not afraid of “black” men, she was frightened by a panhandler who just happened to be black. As a matter of fact, granny never told Barry the panhandler was black, Gramps did. Obama changed the story to bolster his defence of Jeremiah Wright in his speech given in Philadelphia. Another fact our watch-dog media failed to pick up on.

    I’m aware of the description from the book, I was relating the speech in which Sen. Obama attempts a moral equivalence argument, which is destroyed in part if Granny was extremely friendly with Frank.

    Lets’s not forget that there was an infamous employee at Sidley-Austin that Obama surely met in his days there; Bernadette Dohrn. Considering the people he sought to associate with during his college days, he would have felt right at home engaging in conversation with Dohrn. That dot I have already connected.

    I have an old Sullivan’s (directory of Chicago lawyers) from that period. I will have to go back to see the list of attorneys, clearly Michelle was there. Sen. Obama was only an intern as I remember, never an attorney. It would have been through Michelle that Dorhn would have more likely become involved with the couple, I suspect.

    Sidley is an enormous firm, especially in Chicago. I have a few friends there and would on occasion have a case with them. It’s possible they didn’t interact, due to the sheer size of the firm, we simply can’t know unless I get info from someone who was there at the time.

    The truth of events is that Obama joined Trinity, against the advise of other black Chicago ministers, because it gave him street cred with a community that distrusted outsiders. And since Trinity is Afro-centric, his connection to Africa, though a absentee father, added a little more cred. His Trinity membership preceeds his Harvard days so he took that philosophy with him to Harvard.

    According to Obama, he joined TUCC in 1992. I’m not sure how that squares with the timeline.
    “I have been a member of Trinity United Church of Christ since 1992, and have known Reverend Wright for 20 years,” Obama said. “The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago.”

    Now to some errors (some moot, some not) on your part.
    Wright was not a student of Farrakhan, but a contemporary. Wright was a student of James Cone and W. J. DuBois. Especially Cone. Cone’s views permeate Wright’s sermons and has from the beginning, hence the Baptist Church’s refusal to grant him a church.

    He was not a student of Farrakhan, but he is and was a disciple.

    Older pastors warned him that Trinity was for “Buppies”–black urban professionals–and didn’t have enough street cred. But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”–included a “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.’”

    The crosscurrents appealed to Obama. He came to believe that the church could not only compensate for the limitations of Alinsky-style organizing but could help answer the nagging identity problem he had come to Chicago to solve. “It was a powerful program, this cultural community,” he wrote, “one more pliant than simple nationalism, more sustaining than my own brand of organizing.”

    Obama was a close personal friend of Rashid Khalidi. I believe Edward Said may have already been dead at the time. But Khalidi was pro Palestinian PLO at the time and remains so today. Not exactly a thing that will endear Jewish voters to Obama.

    If you look at the link below, and read the article, there are significant issues related to this area as well.

    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/01/obamas_nation_o.html

    Obama did not put his hands in his pockets during the National Anthem. He folded them in front of him over his crotch. Not an important error on your part, but an error.

    It was reported that he put his hands in his pockets and he was asked that question by some girl, I believe. Not sure where it came from, or if there were more than one incident. Whether he puts his hands figuratively or literally in his pockets, the intent would be the same. He has a bit of cognitive dissonance in showing outward patriotism, including the flag lapel pin.

    So make no mistake; I am connecting the dots. I understand that Obama has viturally no record to run on so he has used the “judgement” stchick. When one looks at his formers associates under clear scrutiny, his “judgement” comes into question.

    I believe you are connecting them better than most, retire05…but the media is doing a pretty weak job of tying this together.

    What no one is asking (as most of the media are in the Obama tank) is what was his record in his Illinois 13th district. A district that was falling farther and farther into poverty while his buddy, Tony Rezko was contributing to that blight and at the same time filling Obama’s campaign coffers. It is fair to ask if Obama would take the nation down the same road he took the 13th Illinois district. With the recent killing spree that is taking place in Chicago, it is obvious that no lasting improvement in the lives of Obama’s constitutants took place there.

    Hyde Park is in the heart…and a million miles away at the same time. The Rezco connection is not getting any national play, although it is a story in the city itself.

    It was recently reported that Obama has donated to charity campaign contributions associated with a friend of Tony Rezko who is wanted by InterPol.

    Yes, I have connected the dots and they all lead to a man who is comfortable with terrorists, crooks, PLO supporters, anti-semites and basically anyone who anti-American. Let’s not forget that FARC documents recently discovered by the Colombian government state that they have a connection to Obama. Considering that Bernadette Dohrn is sympathetic to FARC and has made recent trips to Colombia to talk with FARC, you could question if there is not just one degree of separation there.

    And, unfortunately…the dots don’t stop connecting there. The Nation of Islam connections as Debbie points out are much deeper and broader than appear at the surface. This is not getting any national play either.

    Obama is not what he seems. He is a myth. A PR campaign. A Pied Piper who says not to question his patriotism because he refuses to wear a flag lapel pin yet questions the patriotism of those who do because they do not subscribe to his agenda. He has capitalized on his JFK similarities; his youth, his education, his educated wife and young family, his oratory. But there the similarities end. He is no JFK. He is Stevenson. And he is dangerous.

    Stevenson is a good comparison, but Stevenson had no element of extremism attached to him as does Sen. Obama. The elitism and drift to the far left are similar though.

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  77. Yes indeed. Certain illogical mutants on this board sure do have a firm grasp on ad hominem attacks. Most of us here are apparently typical white people who are keeping the brothers down. There is so much BS out there. The “Man” keeps more black men in prison than are allowed to attend college. Fact is five times as many go to college than are incarcerated.

    Despite all the dirt evolving on obama because the media refuses to vet him and would rather mentally masturbate than be objective reporters, Barry Hussein will most likely be the dem nominee.
    He may be the great black hope affirmative action candidate, but all the green he’s accumulating seems to help super delegates either sitting on the fence or previously in Hillary’s camp to switch to BHO. Read somewhere about investigations following the money. Obama camp gave a $10k donation to a candidate running for rep. and that dude is now endorsing BHO. Money talks. Wonder what the Indiana guy got to switch and also claim the Clinton hounds will attack him because of it?
    Guess the far left doesn’t care a whit that Barry’s voter margin is overwhelming from crooked ass Cook county. And Hillary may yet end up with more votes. I don’t know about Kerry supporting Obama..that seems like the kiss of death to me. Maybe he thinks he has a shot as VEEP? Maybe Richardson has eyes on that also? I think Barry should pick a statesmen like Teddy K. or Jimmy Carter.

    madmax333 (4368af)

  78. #74
    Who, exactly, has proudly proclaimed to be a racist?
    From general comments not only from this thread. The tone is not healthy. Madmax333 described himself as “a typical white racist..” while responding to a comment made by “Fluffycares”, under the subject “Jeremiah wright speaks at the national press club.” Check comment number 70. On this thread, in responding to the comment “Levi is a raving racist bigot,” by PCD, comment number 65, reff said ” So am I…I just want to see Levi have to admit it…”
    This kind of talk is not helping the conversation. It is achieving what Wright hopes to achieve by his recent outrage. Racism is evil Nothing to be proud about.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  79. So, two people, one of which was using Obama’s comment as a sarcastic snipe…

    Gotcha…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  80. Y’all are racists. Racists.

    JD (75f5c3)

  81. love2008: “Check comment number 70.”

    I just checked it and, wait, I wrote comment number 70! Funny, ’cause I don’t recall proudly proclaiming to be a racist. My memory must be going. All joking aside, love2008, if you wish to be taken at all seriously, I would suggest that you not cavalierly call people racists, especially those who aren’t.

    Person No. 85 (7b1a1b)

  82. Super Racists…

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  83. Yeah, Scott. You got really got me there. But what have you to say to these “two”?
    . BTW how many does it take? In a voltile environment such as this, one cant really afford to be “sarcastic” about certain things.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  84. Super duper racists with sugar on top.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  85. love2008: “In a voltile environment such as this, one cant really afford to be ‘sarcastic’ about certain things.”

    So we can “afford” to call people racist without any justification?

    Person No. 85 (7b1a1b)

  86. BTW how many does it take?

    I dunno… We’ve let (read: been forced to allow) Sharpton, Wright, and countless other slide…

    How many DOES it take?

    Scott Jacobs (fa5e57)

  87. to be a racist. My memory must be going. All joking aside, love2008, if you wish to be taken at just checked it and, wait, I wrote comment number 70! Funny, ’cause I don’t recall proudly proclaimingall seriously, I would suggest that you not cavalierly call people racists, especially those who arent
    Please Person No. 85, I never called you a racist. When I refered to comment number 70 I was not talking about this particular page. Go to the 70th comment under the topic “JEREMIAH WRIGHTS SPEAKS AT THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB.” Check it out. The comment is actually attributed to madmax333. I have not called anyone a racist, I simply said it is sad for people to proudly call themselves that.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  88. You’re right, you didn’t call me a racist. My bad.

    Person No. 85 (7b1a1b)

  89. love2008 – It is my personal goal to make that term mean what it traditionally has meant, somebody that is demonstrably racist. The Left so cavalierly throws that term around so as to make it utterly meaningless. Disagreements on policy issues does not make someone a racist. Not voting for Baracky does not make someone a racist. Pointing out that Jeremiah Wright is a racist nutjob does not make one a racist. A desire to secure our nation’s borders does not make one a racist.

    JD (75f5c3)

  90. Racists, the whole bunch of you.

    JD (75f5c3)

  91. #85 SPQR:

    Super duper racists with sugar on top.

    I got called a “Little Eichmann.” Top that!

    Oh wait, I think most of us here did.

    Never mind.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  92. #90
    Couldnt agree more JD. As long people agree to disagree, that term means nothing more than what it is. I dont consider anyone on this blog a racist. Some might want call to themselves that but I know that deep inside, no trully educated person exposed to the entire spectrum of the diverseness of the earth’s peoples and cultures and behavior can trully be racist in the truest sense of the word. Racism and education cannot co-exist. I think I am privileged to share this space with the best of minds with the truest of intentions. I have learnt alot. Dont mind me, say it the way you really feel it. We understand you.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  93. Some might want call to themselves that

    It is not that people “want” to call themselves that offensive term, it is done to mock the likes of Levi and Phil that exhibit the inability to differentiate between policy differences and actual racists. A pre-emptive strike that takes the meaning out of the word, if you will.

    JD (75f5c3)

  94. Well understood, JD. No true racist will ever call himself that. It actually takes being free to call yourself that. I get it. No need to explain.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  95. #76, cfbleachers,
    you will not find Dohrn’s name listed as an attorney with Sidley-Austin. She is a convicted felon and therefore could not practice law. But it is assumed that her father-in-law had enough influence to land her a job there in some other position, perhaps as a legal assistant.

    Yes, I do connect the dots. And have for some time now. Perhaps it is my inherent nature to question someone who says “Look what I can do” when they do not provide examples of what they have done. I also believe that most, if not all, friendships are based on commonality, be it coaching Little League, church membership, or radical friends. No commonality, no reason for a close relationship other than a simple “Hi, how are you” greeting at the grocery store or gas station.

    From the git-go, this Texan viewed the Obama campaign not as a campaign, but rather as a PR sales blitz. When you are selling Coke, you don’t advise the consumer that it contains things that can harm you. This is the basis of the Obama campaign. I also thought that the bar had been set when I saw the first national interview with Barack and Michelle Obama where she was asked if she was worried about his security as a candidate and responsded that she worried about Obama, AS A BLACK MAN, when he went to the gas station. But back then the media was singing the praises of this unknown new comer to Capitol Hill.
    I said a year ago that any criticism of Barack Obama would be labeled “racist”. No matter what the criticism would be. I also felt that Obama would pull the race card as he did so clearly today with the Today Show host:

    Barack Obama: I think it is fair to say that both Michelle and I grew up in much less privelege than either of our, my, potential oppoents. (A play to appear to be the “common” man although he attended private schools his entire life)

    Viera: But they’re not the ones being called elitist. Why do you think that?

    B. Obama: Well, I think…let’s be honest. Here I am an African American named Barack Obama, right? who’s running for president.

    Not “here I am, with different poliicies and platforms”, but he makes an issue of his race and Arabic name. Obama may consider that his trump card, but I think he will find it is more like aces and eights. His message of hopey change is rapidly turning into one of desperation to stop the bleeding and if it takes reminding American that he is an “African American” don’t think that he will stop using what he considers his trump card.

    I think he will garner the nomination because the Democrats have designed a party around “identity” politics and now they have to live with it. But if Obama thinks that a scrappy McCain is going to give him a free ride on William Ayers and his connection to Rashid Khalidi, he is selling McCain short. McCain may indicate that he is goint to run a “positive” campaign, but when it comes down to the nut cutting, McCain will grab the knife.

    retire05 (1e67f9)

  96. retire05, the last Sullivan’s I have been able to find is from 2001-2002. Barack Obama is listed as Of Counsel to Miner’s firm, Michelle is not in the book, and, as you predicted…neither is Dohrn.

    I will keep searching to see if I can find older editions.

    As for growing up with privilege, I don’t know anything about Sen. McCain’s childhood…but Hillary went to public school in Maine Township.

    From what I know of the neighborhood, it’s a nice bedroom community…but, most of the streets were filled with nice, comfortable middle class houses.

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  97. McCain, born in the Panama Canal Zone, grew up on a series of Navy Bases, as his father progressed up the ranks, and then went to Annapolis, following his father, and grand-father (both Admirals). In that time period, though it was a secure up-bringing, I don’t think any Mil-Brat would consider that they grew up “in privilage”.

    Another Drew (f9dd2c)

  98. Yes Love, I did call myself a racist. I must be because I am a typical honky born in a small Pa. town and Obama has stereotyped me as bitter, turning to guns and god instead of a$$hole charlatans such as Obama. A priori, if I don’t vote what he considers my best interests (victimhood, socialism cradle to grave, confiscatory taxes, class warfare etc ad nauseum, then indeed I MUST be a racist because the savior is clearly the best choice for america, based on his ability to reach across the aisle and his great judgement concerning what America needs and wants. Guess what? I don’t get a tingle listening to him…all I see is a duplicitous condescending, patronizing, self-aggrandizing horse’s ass. Feck him and his posse. Leftwing apologist Bob Beckel says Ayers is ready for a nursing home and has no influence on Barry Hussein? Yeah, right. I really don’t care at this point if Hillary wins it all. Guess that makes me more a racist than a misogynist. However if for some reason barry hussein is on the Nov. 7th ballot even as VEEP, I will work assiduously locally against him. And even though I was born and spent much of my life in Pa., I am now in moonbat south central Palm Beach county, Fla.. If you or your fellow Obamatards are in my neighborhood, stop on by. We hopefully could meet up with my rep Bobby wexler, sing Kumbaya and work on articles of impeachment against Bush/Cheney. Yes, that asshat is still talking that BS. Heil Obama! Hope! Change! …Michelle is another Jackie, a new Chi-town version of Camelot, the Europu**ies will respect America again at last! Tax the rich! Give the 40% who pay no taxes some good income redistribution alms! Make peace with al qaeda since all it takes is love. Evict those nasty neocons (Jooos) from our gummint. Let Israel stand on its own and defend itself for persecuting and genocide of poor widdle endlessly victimized Palis. Prosecute the war on global warming. Yeah, I know California is supposed to be colder for the next ten years, but the Goracle must be right, what with a Nobel Prize, emmy and oscar. Yadda yadda

    madmax333 (bd0876)

  99. The hesitation on the part of Democrat and Presidential candidate Barack Obama regarding his spiritual leader goes to demonstrate why he must not become the President of the United States of America.

    Thank you for your time.

    The Outlander (3837fc)

  100. cfbleachers, thanks for the info. I don’t think Dohrn ever practiced law as being a convicted felon would prohibit it.
    McCain was born five years after his father graduated from the Naval Academy. His father spent a lot of time at sea, and having a retired Naval officer as a brother, I can tell you that while they are not starving, life is pretty much middle class even for officers save Admirals. John McCain was grown when his father made rank of Admiral.

    Hillary came from middle/upper middle class (depending on your defination of middle class) and never attended private elementary or secondary schools as Barack Obama did.

    For BO to try to protray himself as “under privileged” is a stretch, to say the least.

    retire05 (1e67f9)

  101. madmax…
    Hah, Bobby Wexler. You must be soooooo proud.
    In the land of the butterfly ballot, who else could be your Congresskritter?
    Something about one-eyed men in the land of the blind.
    My condolences.

    Another Drew (a28ef4)

  102. #10- the liberals adore bobby. He sends out questionnaires asking what his constituents think. I use it to bash him. Said he would use some of our queries when grilling Patraeus at Congressional hearings. And of course stolen election 2000 remains on his mind as are impeachment articles. He and Michigans Dingleberry make a good team.

    Saw Hillary deceiving, inveigling and obfuscating last night. Thinks immigration laws concerning safe haven cities should not be enforced. I guess she was down with Gorelick’s intelligence wall also. And return to rates where hubby had them would be good since way below the 90% tax brackets of yesteryear. We need socialism to make things fair. Of course capitalism gave the Clinton that $100+ mil income since out of WH. I suppose actual socialism and control by Hill or Hussein could even be better for the ones in charge.

    madmax333 (510240)


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