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4/29/2008

The Obamas From Opposite Sides of the Aisle

Filed under: 2008 Election — DRJ @ 6:57 pm

[Guest post by DRJ]

It’s double Obama with opinions from conservative Mark Steyn writing about Michelle Obama and liberal Todd Beeton of MyDD on Barack Obama.

First, Todd Beeton opines on Barack’s press conference regarding Jeremiah Wright a/k/a Rev. Doom:

“There are a couple problems that this press conference aren’t likely to assuage. First is Obama’s statement that he guesses he didn’t know Wright as well as he thought he did. “The person that I saw yesterday was not the person that I had come to know over 20 years.” That’s a big problem for someone running on judgment. Secondly, yesterday Obama pointed to Wright’s off-message press tour as proof that the his campaign was not managing or coordinating with Wright, I suppose to distance himself from Wright prove to people that he is indeed Obama’s former pastor. What is does for me is call into question his fitness to run a general.”

Then Mark Steyn weighs in on Michelle Obama a/k/a Mrs. Grievance:

“Ah, the benefits of an elite education. The thesis is dopey, illiterate and bizarrely punctuated, but so are the maunderings of many American students. What makes Miss Robinson’s youthful opus relevant is that the contradictions it agonizes over have dominated her life. Indeed, her apparent bitterness at a society that has given her blessings she could not have enjoyed anywhere else on earth seems explicitly to derive from her inability to live either as an “integrationist who is ignorant to the plight” of “the Black lower class” or a “separationist” embracing its hopelessness and “desperation”. Instead, she rode her privileged education to wealth and success and then felt bad about it. That’s why she talks about money – her money – more than any other putative First Lady ever has: it’s like an ongoing internal dialogue about whether she sold out for too cheap a price.”

Rev. Doom, Mrs. Grievance and Obama – it sounds like Halloween characters or a goth group, not something that would appeal to most Americans. This news cycle is not a good one for the Obama campaign.

Steyn wraps up his analysis of the Obamas by comparing Barack to Jesse Jackson and Colin Powell:

“There’s something pitiful about a political culture that has no use for Mitt Romney, a hugely successful businessman, but venerates a woman who gets the best part of 400 grand for running a “neighborhood outreach” and “staff diversity” program. They seem curious career choices for the closest confidante of a man who claims to be running as a “post-racial” candidate. Which Barack Obama certainly could have been. He’s no tired old race-baiter making a lucrative career out of grievance-mongering, like Jesse Jackson, President-for-Life of the Republic of Himself. In many ways, he’s similar to Colin Powell, a bipartisan figure born to British subjects (in Powell’s case, from the Caribbean; in Obama’s, from colonial Kenya) and thus untinged by the bitterness of the African-American experience. And yet the two most important figures in Obama’s adult life exemplify all the tired obsessions he was supposed to transcend. I don’t agree with Powell on anything very much, from abortion to Iraq. But, with hindsight, it’s a tragedy that he didn’t have the fire in his belly to run in 1996. He was truly the post-racial candidate Senator Obama poses as.”

One of the most disturbing things about the Democratic primary is how racially polarizing it has become. Jeremiah Wright might say society has always been polarized but I can’t recall a time since the 1960s that I’ve heard and seen so much focus on race.

— DRJ

71 Responses to “The Obamas From Opposite Sides of the Aisle”

  1. I also regret that Powell didn’t run. He could have had the nomination for the asking and this would all be behind us. It’s working its way to tragedy. When I see those people cheering Wright on in his church or at that fake event at the Press Club, my heart sinks. This is not what racial harmony looks like.

    Mike K (86bddb)

  2. But if Obama, or any other black man American, were elected President, how could race hustlers survive?

    BTW: Do you think that Wright is enjoying his six months of fame? Who had heard of him before this? “The only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about.”

    nk (1f1707)

  3. a woman who gets the best part of 400 grand for running a “neighborhood outreach” and “staff diversity” program.

    Don’t kid yourself. Michelle was promoted from “VP of being-married-to-a-state-senator” to “VP of being-married-to-a-US-Senator”. A smart move by the hospital, for sure. Barack managed to insert a million-dollar earmark for the hospital, I heard.

    MrJimm (e42945)

  4. Whether Wright is seen by BO’s supporters as the spoiler or not has a direct bearing on him ending up famous or infamous.(see Ralph Nader)

    Apogee (366e8b)

  5. It just goes to show how tough it is to succeed in this country when you are oppressed by the CAUCASIARCHY!!!

    daleyrocks (906622)

  6. You reap what you sow, and the Dem’s insistence through the years of identity politics trumping all has finally “come home to roost,” to paraphrase a term that the good Reverend seems to enjoy using often.

    Dmac (9dd3a1)

  7. I bet the O’s truly do not understand the anger at their pastor or at their own bemused cynicism about America. The darlings of the academy, they have been in the cocoon so long, they think it’s the whole world.

    It’s not.

    Patricia (f56a97)

  8. This sleazy democratic primary ought to be titled “Lefties Gone Wild!” or “Identity Politics Gone Wild!”

    I’m actually stunned, staggered, flabbergasted…at how incredibly inept, comically inane, this theater of the absurd called the Democratic Party has become.

    They are facing an opponent who they are desperately trying to tie to a President with an approval rating lower than a Barack Obama bowling score. And they may lose because they keep rolling gutter balls.

    They have spent a half decade pulling America away from support of taking the fight to the terrorists where they live and train. They had America believing their account of the war.

    And then the economy went into a pretty rugged slowdown.

    AND…with a chance at a waltz onto a freshly paved road to the White House based on all that….they fall into a sinkhole of their own making. ONLY THE DEMOCRATS are inept enough to completely blow an election they would have had to otherwise TRY to lose.

    Yet, they have turned over every rock to try to find the MOST offensive leftist to crawl out from under….and parade in front of the voters and turn them off completely with this vermin.

    Gloria Frankensteinem, the hideous and wrinkled shrew of man-hating fame and her equally hideous spawn of decadence Nora Zephron.

    Jerepariah Wright, Rev. Meeks, Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Moss…a veritable Murderers Row of bile and hatred from a uniquely Black Marxism perspective.

    William Ayers and his mentally deranged wife BloodOrange Dorhn.

    The Tigress of Tuzla having 60’s bad acid flashbacks of sniper fire under tangerine skies and Michelle Obama on a complete quaaludes downer suggesting everyone in the whole country is mean, slothful, lazy and moving in very, very slow motion.

    The Democratic Party is a South Park episode, cartoonish and yet fascinating in a high speed, twisted metal and broken glass car wreck sort of way.

    cfbleachers (4040c7)

  9. cf – In other words, the democrats never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

    daleyrocks (906622)

  10. Great post cfbleachers, but the Democratic party is more like a bad reality show (Think the Anna Nicole Show, Celebrity Rehab, or Flavor of Love). They could only hope to approach the greatness that is South Park.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  11. Yet, they have turned over every rock to try to find the MOST offensive leftist to crawl out from under….and parade in front of the voters and turn them off completely with this vermin.

    You know, I think this is really the source of their problem. The democrats thought they had a walk off going into this election and figured they could pick anyone and win easily. If they’d gone the smart route and aimed for a reasonable moderate democrat it’d likely have ended up being a landslide.

    Taltos (4dc0e8)

  12. “her apparent bitterness at a society that has given her blessings she could not have enjoyed anywhere else on earth”

    People who have done well should shut up about how others can’t.

    stef (87fe55)

  13. Leave it to stef/alphie to completely miss the point. Cue obfuscation and pointless ramblings from alphie/stef.

    JD (5f0e11)

  14. With the trhowing of Wright under the bus, you really have to admit that the Rev. Wright seems to have paid for this bus himself .. or did he ?

    Didn’t the Rev. make this oh soooo easy by conviently re-self destructing at the National Press Club ? So easy that one could thing that it was a setup job with Wright taking a dive for Obama’s benefit.

    If not, then the ultimate question is .. does it always take Obama 20 years to really size up the people he deals with ?

    I like my Presidents to do it in less than 8 years .. better yet .. in less than 4 years.

    It gets really scary when Obama says he will sit down and talk with Iran or anybody, but he has this fatal flaw of not being able to size them up quickly.

    Neo (cba5df)

  15. #13 JD:

    Leave it to stef/alphie to completely miss the point.

    And on such a consistent basis, as well.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  16. I was just reminded that PeterObama must deny Wright once more before he can properly crucified.
    Seems the cock is waiting for the third time.

    Neo (cba5df)

  17. From Hyscience, nice corroboration:

    http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/04/obama_runs_gran.php

    Obama Runs Grandmother Under The Bus, Then Runs Rev. Wright Under The Bus, Who In Turn Ran Obama Under The Bus, Who Then Ran The Bus Over The Reverend – Oh My, What A Mess!

    It would be comical if it weren’t so pathetic, and potentially dangerous – should Obama and his “pastor” wind up in the White House!

    When the controversy surrounding the “God Damn America” and other vitriolic, hate-mongering, anti- American, racists comments spewed by Rev. Wright first flared up, and how was it possible that Barack Obama could have sat in the pews for twenty years listening to it all, claiming Rev. Wright was not only his “pastor,” but his “mentor and spiritual advisor,” Obama nonchalantly brushed it off by throwing his white grandmother “under the bus” to trivialize Rev. Wright’s comments, by comparing the Reverend’s “Black Liberation Theology,” Afro-centric, doctrines of anti-white bigotry, resentment, and hate, to his own white, grandmother’s, “innate racism,” supposedly the fear of “black men,” quote:

    “I can no more disown [Rev. Wright] than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”

    In spite of the “cringing” at least he owned to the fact that his ailing, white, maternal grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, is the one who raised him, gave him the privileged opportunities that have brought him to where he now is, and dealt with the regrettable consequences of her rebellious, feminist, atheist, daughter’s irresponsible actions – namely him – and not the mother of the black, Kenyan, Muslim, Marxist father that left Obama, and his unbearable mother when he was a child, that he so “Lionizes” in his book “Dreams From My Father” (perhaps poor, old, grandma was justified in fearing “black men” after all).

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/03/barack-throws-his-ailing-grandmother.html

    Then, amusingly, Obama threw Rev. Wright “under the bus” when, though not quite disowning him or condemning the despicable comments of Rev. Wright, he yet distanced himself from the Reverend as “persona non grata” and suffered a convenient episode of amnesia about what he had heard the “good” Reverend spew in twenty years of sitting in the pews at Trinity.

    Meanwhile, double-faced “Janus” Obama, though distancing himself in public from Rev. Wright, yet he secretly would sneak to “pray” with him in basements and seek his “spiritual guidance” while avoiding him upstairs at the functions and rallies. Now, all politicians have “skeletons in their closets,” but one has to wonder if Obama becomes president, and is faced, for instance, with Iran or Syria attacking Israel, if in spite of all his pro-Israel rhetoric, and empty promises, he will really defend Israel, or most likely pull Rev. Wright out of some “closet” of the White House to “pray” with him (God Damn America!), and get Rev. Wright’s anti-Semitic “spiritual guidance” on how to better “betray” Israel and surrender the Israelis to their rapacious Arab neighbors!

    Of course, it would have taken a bit of humility on the part of caustic, narcissistic, megalomaniac, Rev. Wright, to simply keep a low profile in order not to further “muddy” Obama with his detestable twenty year “association” with him, and the “good” Reverend launched into a whirlwind “Rock-Star” tour of public appearances and engagements, where Obama’s unrepentant pastor, not only reiterated his “God Damn America” but would not budge an inch from his vitriolic black resentment doctrines of anti-Semitism, bigotry, and hate, culminating in throwing Obama “under the bus and stepping on the gas,” when in his interview with Bill Moyers (that other “Hate America” luminary), Rev. Wright commented about Obama’s “two-facedness” with a shrug, quote:

    “He’s a politician, I’m a pastor. We speak to two different audiences. And he says what he has to say as a politician. I say what I have to say as a pastor.”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/wright_throws_obama_under_the.html

    Oh, you mean to tell us, Reverend, that “Empty Suit” Obama is not what he wants the gullible American electorate to believe he is?!?! That there are other hidden “agendas” to the toothy “Black Messiah”?!?! You don’t say!

    And now it is a coy Obama, with his monkey tail between his legs (forgive my “innate” racism about this man, guess I’m like good, old, white “grandma”), who threw Rev. Wright “under the bus and ran him over,” and disingenuously wants to make us “oafs who cling in our bitterness to our guns and to religion” believe that this time around he truly condemns Rev. Wright’s vile utterances, has finally disowned him for good, and voters should give him credit and credence for it – after all, it only took Obama twenty years to realize and do it! Quote:

    “The person that I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago,” he said. “His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church. They certainly don’t portray accurately my values and beliefs… If Reverend Wright thinks that’s political posturing, as he put it, then he doesn’t know me very well and based on his remarks yesterday, I may not know him as well as I thought either.”

    “I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia, explaining that he has done enormous good in the church,” he said. “But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS; when he suggests that Minister Farrakhan somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st century; when he equates the U.S. wartime efforts with terrorism – then there are no excuses. They offend me. They rightly offend all Americans. And they should be denounced, and that’s what I’m doing very clearly and unequivocally here today.”

    “It is antithetical to my campaign. It is antithetical to what I’m about. It is not what I think America stands for,” he said.

    http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/04/29/obama-throws-wright-under-the-bus-runs-him-over-puts-the-vehicle-in-reverse-and-repeats.aspx

    Yeah, right! Sure, we believe you Obama. Heh!

    Of course, that doesn’t even begin to explain his own wife Michelle’s “Wright-like,” “Hugo Chávez-styled,” anti-American comments and attitude, or explain away that privileged resented negress’ huge “racial chip” on her shoulders. But then that is another “can of worms”!

    Wow! If only many of our cities would have as much “bus service”!

    I wonder if Obama and Rev.Wright will still secretly meet in basements, though!

    Althor

    Althor (56a0a8)

  18. Ha, Been saying this all along…it’s not about O’s madrassa ed. or his black power manchurian candidateness, or his elitism (man was that ever a stream of pee that just blew all over everyone huh?), no, in the end it eventually comes down to O’s judgement (bad choice of associates) and the prospective first lady’s ingrate world view. Which are gonna work very well against them(I always thought the Dems should have run against GWs administration in 2004, not against GW himself).

    I just hope President McCain will at least dump some of GW’s stupider initiatives like abstinence programs.

    Couple of nit picks about the linked posts.
    1- Obama not keeping Wright “on message” says nothing about his ability to control his generals in a war. Rev. Wright acts completely independantly of O and can’t be fired. Generals are directly beholden to the commander in chief and can be.

    2- “There’s something pitiful about a political culture that has no use for Mitt Romney, a hugely successful businessman, but venerates a woman…” This part of Steyn’s post was just dumb.
    Was he talking only about the non-righty political culture? The one that 50% plus does NOT venerate Michelle O? Or the political culture that has sent Republicans into the white house etc. 8 years running? Dems don’t have any use for Mitt “closet flip flop liberal” Romney anyway and apparently neither do Republicans. Was Steyn just whining “why can’t we all just be Republicans and get along?” or was he accusing Republicans of secretly going out and voting for Obama coz they liked his wife’s politics ??????!! letting that other crypto-liberal conservative wannabe McCain sneak into the nomination?

    EdWood (06cafa)

  19. McCain is such a prig he won’t use any of the ammo Obama is providing; nor would he hoist Hillary by her petard. He is a looser.

    quasimodo (edc74e)

  20. Taltos #11…
    How does “President Lieberman” sound?

    Another Drew (f9dd2c)

  21. How does “President Lieberman” sound?

    If I absolutely had to pick a democrat to be president I’d pick Lieberman long before either of the two freaks currently fighting for it.

    Taltos (4dc0e8)

  22. Mrs. Grievance is apparently going to be speaking about Obama’s moral compass, mentor, close friend, great American, the man who’s spirituality he endeavors to imitate daily, Rev. Wright, today.

    That should be interesting.

    daleyrocks (906622)

  23. Well, Taltos, that would place you as a minority of one in the activist wing of the modern Democratic/Radical Leftist Party.
    Sad, isn’t it?

    Another Drew (f9dd2c)

  24. ONLY THE DEMOCRATS are inept enough to completely blow an election they would have had to otherwise TRY to lose.

    They did it in ’04, why not again in ’08?

    Pablo (99243e)

  25. Mrs. Grievance is apparently going to be speaking about Obama’s moral compass, mentor, close friend, great American, the man who’s spirituality he endeavors to imitate daily, Rev. Wright, today.

    That should be interesting.

    But, Baracky, he does not know that man. That is not the man that he grew to admire, the head of the Church he gave over $50,000 to, the man that married him, the man that baptized his child, the man that inspired his books, the man that was his spiritual advisor, the man he appointed to advise his campaign.

    JD (75f5c3)

  26. At this point, Obama is revealed either as being a calculating liar or a naive dupe.

    Either he attended Wright’s church for 20 years and only noticed Wright’s despicable beliefs in the last couple of days, or he knew but only dumped Wright when Wright became a political liability.

    Either way, Obama clearly is not qualified to be President.

    Steven Den Beste (99cfa1)

  27. I used to be a great supporter of this Bush, his leadership style, his conservative bend, his presidentiallity etc. After 911 he was the hero of the free world. Stricking back at the heart of of taliban forces in Afghanistan, routing the forces of evil and terror and sending Osama bin Laden into hiding with his ilk and bringing democracy in that region. Those were high moments for George Bush Jnr. Everything was going fine until of course Iraq. With the approval and trust wish he earned he led America and indeed the free world into a preemptive invasion of a nation who posed no threat to America, overthrowing the sittng president and consequently apprehending him. The motive for that war was that Saddam Hussein had and was building weapons of Mass destruction. It turned out they were wrong. There was no evidence of such on ground. Next the allegation was that Saddam was in bed with al quadre(correct my spelling pls). Zing! According to findings from intelligence, Saddam had no ties to al quader(here I go again!) The whole mission was wrong, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have perished, 4000 US soldiers have died, America is bleeding 12 billion dollars every month in Iraq. The shiite and the sunnis and the kurds are fighting for their rights in that mixed up, confused environment. More blood shed, more sucide bombings, more anti american rage and protests around the region. The last straw that broke the carmels back for me was the recent visit of the Iranian president to Iraq and like a slap on the face on all America’s sacrifice, blood, sweat and sorrow in a war that has no meaning, he said “Americans should leave Iraq. Iraqis dont want Americans around. They hate them.” He said that over three or four times and not even one Iraqi minister or anybody stood up and countered it. I can only read their silence to mean support. Removing Saddam Hussein was a huge error. Now the present situation has made it easy for Iran, the true enemy of america and Israel to expand his influence in that region. With saddam out of the way, power has fallen back into Iranian hands. We now have a pro-Iranian regime. They have a secret agenda. They are using american money to rebuild their country and their army. Guess what, once they become strong, they will attack america, using the very training, equipping and money you gave them. You cant trust these people. They hate westerners. They hate democracy, they hate your guts and in time they will respond. Staying in Iraq is a grave error. America is bleeding profusely. Look at the dollar taking a dive. Look at gas prices taking a hike. The economy is heading towards recession. Everyone is “bitter”. Except of course the rich and untouchables. This is the place where we are. al quader is going stronger and stronger. Osama bin laden hs evolved into an icon of anti-americanism and terror. A rallying point for hate. Something is definitely wrong with this course and needs to change before it is too late. Bush has not done america good in this regard. He is not evil, but his presidency has turned into a total fiasco. Now america has lost credibilty in the community of nations. Even when evidence has come out about Syria’s little plot with North korea, they can point to the last intelligence failure that is Iraq and call it “dejavu”. Alot is at stake this year. America’s destiny has never been so tied to who is elected president. Be it democrat or republican, we need a saviour. May God help us all!

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  28. In 20 or so years Obama will finally figure out that the Axis of Evil is actually evil.

    Perfect Sense (b6ec8c)

  29. No disrespect SDB, but this is news?

    The only thing this suit has been filled with is himself, and moth-balls.

    Another Drew (f9dd2c)

  30. love2008…
    If you need/want a saviour, you won’t find Him in politics.
    Try going to Church!

    Another Drew (f9dd2c)

  31. JD: “But, Baracky, he does not know that man.”

    This incident comes to mind–

    Enter KING BARACK HENRY V OBAMA and his train, the Lord Chief- Justice, MSM among them

    REVEREND SIR JOHN JEREMIAH FALSTAFF WRIGHT
    God save thy grace, King Hal! my royal Hal!

    ANDREW PISTOL SULLIVAN
    The heavens thee guard and keep, most royal imp of fame!

    R.S.J.J. FALSTAFF WRIGHT
    God save thee, my sweet boy!

    KING BARACK HENRY V OBAMA
    My lord chief-justice, speak to that vain man.

    LORD-CHIEF JUSTICE, MSM
    Have you your wits? know you what ’tis to speak?

    R.S.J.J FALSTAFF WRIGHT
    My king! my Jove! I speak to thee, my heart!

    KING BARACK HENRY V OBAMA
    I know thee not, old man: fall to thy prayers;
    How ill white hairs become a fool and jester!
    I have long dream’d of such a kind of man,
    So surfeit-swell’d, so old and so profane;
    But, being awaked, I do despise my dream.
    Make less thy body hence, and more thy grace;
    Leave gormandizing; know the grave doth gape
    For thee thrice wider than for other men.
    Reply not to me with a fool-born jest:
    Presume not that I am the thing I was;
    For God doth know, so shall the world perceive,
    That I have turn’d away my former self;
    So will I those that kept me company.
    When thou dost hear I am as I have been,
    Approach me, and thou shalt be as thou wast,
    The tutor and the feeder of my riots:
    Till then, I banish thee, on pain of death,
    As I have done the rest of my misleaders,
    Not to come near our person by ten mile.
    For competence of life I will allow you,
    That lack of means enforce you not to evil:
    And, as we hear you do reform yourselves,
    We will, according to your strengths and qualities,
    Give you advancement. Be it your charge, my lord,
    To see perform’d the tenor of our word. Set on.

    fat tony (601b8d)

  32. #29
    ove2008…
    If you need/want a saviour, you won’t find Him in politics.
    Try going to Church

    Yes Drew I know a little about that too. Going to church is good for the soul and nourishes your spirit. But if you know anything about the bible and church, you would know that God saves His people by sending them saviors. And these saviors are sent in answer to the cry of His people. He wont come down and save you physically, He will send men, women, deliverers. People like Moses who was sent to bring the people of Israel out of Egypt,a land of captivity and hardship. He sent Gideon to rescue His people from the hands of the midianites. He sent samson to do the same. So also was Deborah and David and the Prophets. All in answer to the cry of His people. Even now, if you are a regular church goer, you would know that christians are praying right now for God to give us the next president that will take this nation to her place of destiny. Now prayer is not enough, we have to go out and vote so that His will is done on earth. without man, God wont, without God, man cant. So it is right to ask God to send or give us the person for the highest job on earth. So again I say, may God help us all!

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  33. Saviors do not have a very good record politically.

    As I tell some of my friends at the range:
    I trust my soul to the Lord;
    I trust my life to John Browning.

    I’m not looking for a “Man On A Horse”; such men only cause death and destruction.

    BHO’s problem is that (as I have said earlier) he is an empty suit – like Oakland, there’s no there, there.

    Another Drew (f9dd2c)

  34. Based on #26, it looks like love2008 Jumped the Shark some time ago, well before he/she showed up here.

    Love2008 – May you find heaven soon.

    daleyrocks (906622)

  35. #33
    Daley what do you mean by “jumped the Shark”? Please explain. And while you are at it, explain the part about finding heaven too. Sounds interesting.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  36. Love2008 – Your comment #26 is just a compendium of juvenile, misinformed, debunked, fringe leftist thinking that one normally finds in the swamps on DailyKos or DemocraticUnderground. That is what I meant by jumped the shark.

    I was merely wishing you spiritual blessings at the end.

    daleyrocks (906622)

  37. Ouch! Daleyrocks, OUCH!

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  38. #36:

    Ouch! Daleyrocks, OUCH!

    I should point out that daleyrocks and Another Drew have been, not unkindly in their responses and advice to you.

    Further, the phrase “jumping the shark” refers to an episode of “Happy Days,” a TV sitcom popular at one time (for reasons I still cannot fathom), and it occurs to me that you may not be old enough to have even heard of “Happy Days” which would explain you’re rather juvenile outlook.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  39. It would NOT explain my use of the verbal contraction “you’re” instead of the possessive “your,” however.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  40. EW1(SG) – Thanks

    Jumping the shark can mean a few things, in the context I was using it meant believing in things so utterly preposterous as to defy reality. Rhar is based on the original TV show episode when Fonz jumped over a shark when water skiing.

    Others use the phrase to indicate when somebody or something’s performance has peaked or is going downhill.

    daleyrocks (906622)

  41. EdWood #17:

    Couple of nit picks about the linked posts.

    1- Obama not keeping Wright “on message” says nothing about his ability to control his generals in a war. Rev. Wright acts completely independantly of O and can’t be fired. Generals are directly beholden to the commander in chief and can be.

    I think you are referring to this point from Todd Beeton:

    Secondly, yesterday Obama pointed to Wright’s off-message press tour as proof that the his campaign was not managing or coordinating with Wright, I suppose to distance himself from Wright prove to people that he is indeed Obama’s former pastor. What is does for me is call into question his fitness to run a general.”

    When I first read Beeton’s post I thought the same thing you did but after I thought about it, I decided Beeton was not talking about Obama’s relationship with his generals as Commander-in-Chief. I think he was referring to what will happen when Obama runs in the general election.

    DRJ (a431ca)

  42. EdWood #17,

    As for Steyn’s comparison of Romney and Michelle Obama, I thought his point was that it makes more sense to value what Romney’s businesses have contributed to society and the economy than what Michelle Obama has contributed. In some people’s eyes, they are both workers so they are both equally productive and useful. To other people, Michelle Obama is more valuable because she is in the helping industry. But the reality is that Romney has done far more than Obama to create good jobs for Americans.

    To me, this is also related to stef’s comment #12. Do we want leaders who feel sorry for us and feel our pain, and work to pass laws that make everyone share what they have with others? Or do we want leaders who will encourage and make it easier for us to work to better ourselves? Glass half empty; glass half full. Take your pick.

    DRJ (a431ca)

  43. Who are the two people in Obama’s adult life that exemplify his tired obsessions?

    Levi (76ef55)

  44. Michelle Obama and Jeremiah Wright.

    DRJ (a431ca)

  45. DRJ #40 Yah, I was all hazy there. Sad part was I had actually figured out what you explained above before I wrote the comment and hit the button anyway. It was a long night last night brain isn’t hitting all cylinders today.

    #41 I still think the guys comparison was strained at best…. but see the paragraph above I guess.

    EdWood (06cafa)

  46. Michelle Obama and Jeremiah Wright.

    LOL! That’s what I thought….

    Levi (76ef55)

  47. #39 daleyrocks:

    Others use the phrase to indicate when somebody or something’s performance has peaked or is going downhill.

    That’s the usual use, but your employment was quite clear from the context.

    And I thank you for explaining to love2008 how his outlook is viewed. I would not have been so kind, so perhaps you have in some small way saved my soul from some perdition.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  48. EW1(SG) – Many thanks again. I try to be a giver.

    daleyrocks (906622)

  49. Do we want leaders who feel sorry for us and feel our pain, and work to pass laws that make everyone share what they have with others?

    What in the world are you talking about?

    Or do we want leaders who will encourage and make it easier for us to work to better ourselves? Glass half empty; glass half full. Take your pick.

    And who is this supposed to be referring to, George Bush or John McCain? What kind of policies are you describing?

    Levi (76ef55)

  50. Jumping the shark can mean a few things, in the context I was using it meant believing in things so utterly preposterous as to defy reality. Rhar is based on the original TV show episode when Fonz jumped over a shark when water skiing.

    Taking you by this definition, Rocks, what did you find in my #26 comment that was “utterly preposterous as to defy reality”? Please point it out. Unlike some people I know, I am always open to knowledge. I never assume to know everything. Nobody does. What was it in my comment you found to be incongruous? Is it the fact for example that Iraq was a complete mess? Or the fact that this stupid war has not made anyone safer, instead has created more terrorists and haters of freedom. Or yes, maybe the fact that taking out Saddam hussein, as popular as it was then has turned out to be a mistake? Couldnt there have been a better to handle him? Or is it Iran? Who in your mind do you think is the chief benefactor of this Iraq mess. The USA? I dont think so. Iran! You have done the dirty work for them and now they can laugh at your faces and tell you all to basically go to @!#$$%! So please tell me which part of my comment you found out of touch with reality. Is it the fact that George Bush’s approval rating has hit an all time low of under 30 or there about. With about 80% of Americans thinking the country is not moving the right direction. Who is really out of touch? Before branding me another of those your names, cos thats what you do alot here, and frankly, I dont mind. Help me out and show me where I have lost touch with your reality.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  51. Reading for comprehension is obviously not one of Levi’s talents.

    DRJ wasn’t referring to any particular politician, but more to which philosophy of government we should support.

    Steverino (e00589)

  52. Levi #48:

    Do we want leaders who feel sorry for us and feel our pain, and work to pass laws that make everyone share what they have with others?

    What in the world are you talking about?

    For example, I think Barack and Michelle Obama (and John Edwards and Bill Clinton for that matter) focus on what people don’t have and they sympathize by telling people they understand how frustrating it is to want something they don’t have. They propose answers that take money away from people who have more (tax the rich) and give it to those who have less (larger entitlements, earned income credits, subsidies).

    I want leaders who encourage people to do for themselves and that support less burdensome laws on our economy and society. George Bush and John McCain do that more than the Democrats, but they don’t do it enough.

    DRJ (a431ca)

  53. Correction on #49. By “benefactor” I meant beneficiary. That was an error.

    love2008 (d2a57f)

  54. Love2008 – I don’t think I’m going to be able to help you out, buddy. By your most recent comment you’ve demonstrated that you have learned nothing from the time you have spent on this blog. You claim that you want to see, but your eyes are closed. You have been lying to other people about your views on this blog all along while claiming you are about honesty, impartiality, etc.

    You are not interested in honest discussion as you have demonstrated by your conduct.

    I am happy to let others instruct you further in the errors of your thinking.

    daleyrocks (906622)

  55. #50 Steverino:

    Reading for comprehension is obviously not one of Levi’s talents.

    Nor whassisname at #49.

    #49: If you read daleyrocks’ comment a little more closely, you’ll see he considers you to have jumped the shark, by asserting beliefs that have been debunked here in your presence, that you continue to believe!

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  56. Quote: “If you need/want a saviour, you won’t find Him in politics. Try going to Church!”

    Comment by Another Drew — 4/30/2008 @ 9:18 am

    Won’t help you much if the church you attend is Trinity…

    Althor

    Althor (56a0a8)

  57. Quote: “And who is this supposed to be referring to, George Bush or John McCain? What kind of policies are you describing?”

    Comment by Levi — 4/30/2008 @ 1:10 pm

    Why, it’s Bush’s fault, of course. It’s a Bush “conspiracy” just as Rev. Wright said about AIDS, having being concocted by our government to decimate the black community (not that they are killing and aborting themselves fast enough even with a condom!) Thank God for those inbred white women who, like Obama’s mom, are keeping the black population alive with their mongrels – “It’s their only hope Obi Wan”! Heh! (Not an excuse, but Reverend Wright has said worse, and Barack did not object to it for twenty years – Do I make my “point”?)

    Althor

    Althor (56a0a8)

  58. Michelle Obama — affirmative action baby to the max! $400K for a contentless job, what a classic.
    Can you really imagine her as first lady? What a travesty that would be.

    Jack (aea3ff)

  59. For example, I think Barack and Michelle Obama (and John Edwards and Bill Clinton for that matter) focus on what people don’t have and they sympathize by telling people they understand how frustrating it is to want something they don’t have.

    What is politics if it’s not giving people things they don’t have? You guys want some ridiculous fence along the border, don’t you? You want to ban abortion and fight never-ending wars in the Middle East, don’t you? How is that any different?

    They propose answers that take money away from people who have more (tax the rich) and give it to those who have less (larger entitlements, earned income credits, subsidies).

    I’ve never heard Obama say he wants to raise taxes, and I know you haven’t, because you’ve been breathlessly discussing Rev. Wright for weeks. I’ve never heard Obama say something along the lines of, “Aw, these poor black folks need help, let’s just open up the treasury to them!” And again, I know you haven’t, because you’re too busy pondering the meaning of absent flag pins.

    I’ve heard Obama talk about improving our education system, and incorporating more vocational training in high schools, and providing opportunities to earn money for college in return for service to the community and the country, but hey, what could I know? I’ve only been actually listening to the guy.

    I want leaders who encourage people to do for themselves and that support less burdensome laws on our economy and society. George Bush and John McCain do that more than the Democrats, but they don’t do it enough.

    What’s wrong with a leader that encourages people to do for the country? I mean, when George Bush goes up there after 9-11 and says to Americans that are eager to help out, ‘Keep spending,’ that’s inspirational leadership to you?

    Levi (76ef55)

  60. #59:

    I’ve only been actually listening to the guy.

    Again with the dishonesty. Tut, tut.

    What’s wrong with a leader that encourages people to do for the country?

    Like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ché, Castro, Hitler, Lil’ Kim, and Arafat?

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  61. Again with the dishonesty. Tut, tut.

    How is this supposed to work? I say I’ve been listening to Obama, you call me dishonest, huh? Have you been watching me? How would you know?

    Like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ché, Castro, Hitler, Lil’ Kim, and Arafat?

    No, like Kennedy. And Roosevelt. And Lincoln.

    Look dumbass, I think we’ve got the capitalism thing down, okay? We don’t need to be encouraged to ‘do for ourselves,’ as DRJ put it, do you think we need to be? In our society and culture, with the nature of our economy, with all of our history, you think we need further motivation to ‘do for ourselves?’

    What’s the problem with the President asking for our time? Or to maybe cut back on gas and energy, or to recycle? Or to go into a ‘helper’ profession? Don’t we need cops and teachers and lawyers and nurses and soldiers? Those people aren’t ‘doing for themselves,’ they’re doing for their communities, their students, their patients, etc. Businessmen aren’t the only role models in America, you know.

    You guys pretend like Obama’s all about bread lines and Victory Gin. But that’s because you’ve never given him a chance. He’s about restoring a sense of civic-mindedness, what’s so wrong with that?

    Levi (76ef55)

  62. But that’s because you’ve never given him a chance. He’s about restoring a sense of civic-mindedness, what’s so wrong with that?

    Are you watching us Levi? How do you know we don’t listen to Obama you putz?

    Wright told us what he was all about. He’s a politician who’ll say what it takes to get elected. Who are we supposed to believe, someone who has been essentially a member of Obama’s family for 20 years who suddenly became a political hot potato and had to be thrown overboard for political expediency, or the slick socialist candidate of jello?

    daleyrocks (906622)

  63. Are you watching us Levi? How do you know we don’t listen to Obama you putz?

    Uh, yes. Every thread started about Obama around here and elsewhere in the blogosphere is about his pastor, or his flag pins, or his general craziness. What’s more, I’ve had people admit to me that they don’t listen to him, that they haven’t. You’re about to do it in 3…2….1…

    Wright told us what he was all about. He’s a politician who’ll say what it takes to get elected. Who are we supposed to believe, someone who has been essentially a member of Obama’s family for 20 years who suddenly became a political hot potato and had to be thrown overboard for political expediency, or the slick socialist candidate of jello?

    See? ‘Wright told us what he was all about.’ Absolutely everything you need to know about him, huh? Just like that. 2 minutes on YouTube watching a pastor tells you everything you need to know about an entirely different individual. Wow, you sure are a savvy political entity!

    Levi (76ef55)

  64. #61:

    How would you know?

    It’s pretty simple, shitbird: because you’re misrepresenting his speeches on the campaign trail and his voting record as a politician.

    No, like Kennedy. And Roosevelt. And Lincoln.

    of whom Obama doesn’t in the slightest resemble, and doesn’t even have the potential to.

    Look dumbass, I think we’ve got the capitalism thing down, okay?

    Two things are obvious from that statement, that you don’t think and that you don’t understand capitalism.

    In our society and culture, with the nature of our economy, with all of our history, you think we need further motivation to ‘do for ourselves?’

    As an addict, I sure as hell do. Because the politician you are attempting to defend is an enabler of dysfunctional behavior in order to gain his own selfish ends and not the least bit “civic minded.”

    What’s the problem with the President asking for our time?

    If you had any understanding of “our society and culture, with the nature of our economy, with all of our history” you’d realize that it’s distinctly un-American: the role of government in the United States should be to leave people the hell alone, as much as possible. Including crap like recycling (more environmental damage than its worth, and I say that as a former volunteer who helped establish one of the first successful recycling centers in the country).

    Those people aren’t ‘doing for themselves,’

    Uh, yes they damn well are.

    He’s about restoring a sense of civic-mindedness, what’s so wrong with that?

    What’s wrong with it is that it doesn’t remotely resemble the truth: Obama is a guy who gets his kicks manipulating other people, and one of the tricks in his bag is to promise things to people in return for their support, even when what he’s promising legitimately belongs to someone else!

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  65. EW1(SG)- I didn’t know you were part of the club or maybe I forgot. I knew there was a reason I liked you.

    Another day above ground.

    daleyrocks (906622)

  66. EW – Try yelling at a brick wall and demanding it teach you to speak Portugese. That will be far more productive than attempting to engage Levi.

    The ghost of stef (75f5c3)

  67. #65 daleyrocks:

    … or maybe I forgot.

    Actually, I was “out of town,” (Yeah,that’s it!) for a while dealing with a minor full-blown, kickin’ my ass into the dirt drug addiction problem following seven years of heavy duty opiate use to control pain prior to a major abdominal reconstruction last year, on top of a familial propensity to alcoholism.

    So I was a little more noticeable by my absence, than my presence.

    I knew there was a reason I liked you.

    Thank yew, Thank yew verrry muuuch! Its nice to be back!

    Another day above ground.

    Amen. And thanks to the Holy One, blessed be his name.

    #66 The ghost of stef:

    That will be far more productive than attempting to engage Levi.

    Y’ think!?! LOL! BTW, love the whistle between your ears as the wind rushes through, no matter WHAT Scott sez about yer!

    Secret Squirrel (84e813)

  68. Ratz! Forgot to take off my Secret Squirrel decoder ring that I got in the Cheerios box!

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  69. Boy, did I kill this thread or what?

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  70. We don’t need to be encouraged to ‘do for ourselves,’ as DRJ put it, do you think we need to be? In our society and culture, with the nature of our economy, with all of our history, you think we need further motivation to ‘do for ourselves?’

    Yes. It seems some have forgotten the value of self-reliance and are yearning for a nanny with the power of law.

    Pablo (99243e)

  71. Quote: “Michelle Obama — affirmative action baby to the max! $400K for a contentless job, what a classic. Can you really imagine her as first lady? What a travesty that would be”.

    Comment by Jack — 4/30/2008 @ 9:25 pm

    What is truly sad is that this privileged, resented, Marxist, negress, was given the “Princeton and Harvard” education many less fortunate deserving white kids never had! If “A mind is a terrible thing to waste” it applies to black as well as “white” minds!What a waste and a shame!

    I am sure that Michelle Obama has a Che T-shirt somewhere in her wardrobe she wears in private.

    In her “hate” of America, the huge racial “chip” on her shoulders, her mannerisms, and her rhetoric, she resembles Venezuelan tin-pot dictator Hugo Chavez so much, that if Chavez were to wear a wig, he’d be Michelle’s twin!

    And this is what we are going to elect as America’s First Lady???

    God help us!!!

    Althor (56a0a8)


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