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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 22:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I await a transcript of JPS&#039; latest commentary on the lethal injection decision. 

Seems he&#039;s got a touch of &lt;a href=&quot;http://timesfreepress.com/news/2008/may/10/chattanooga-stevens-addresses-lethal-injections/?local&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;buyer&#039;s remorse:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens drew a round of applause Friday night in Chattanooga when he suggested that the recently-euthanized Kentucky Derby horse Eight Bells had probably experienced a more humane death than those who die on death row.

“I had checked the procedure they used to kill the horse,” Justice Stevens said, expressing surprise to learn it is against the law in Kentucky to kill animals using one of the drugs in a three-drug lethal injection cocktail that many believe is cruel to humans.

Yet just three weeks ago, the Supreme Court ruled that Kentucky’s use of that cocktail on death row did not constitute cruel and unusual punishment. Justice Stevens concurred with the court’s decision, but conceded his opinion would “generate debate not only about the constitutionality of the three-drug protocol, but also about the justification for the death penalty itself.”

Justice Stevens talked about the lethal injection case and other recent Supreme Court decisions as he addressed an audience of legal professionals at the Chattanooga Convention Center during the last evening of the 68th conference of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit. Justice Stevens presides over the 6th Circuit in his position on the Supreme Court.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I await a transcript of JPS&#8217; latest commentary on the lethal injection decision. </p>
<p>Seems he&#8217;s got a touch of <a href="http://timesfreepress.com/news/2008/may/10/chattanooga-stevens-addresses-lethal-injections/?local" title="" rel="nofollow">buyer&#8217;s remorse:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens drew a round of applause Friday night in Chattanooga when he suggested that the recently-euthanized Kentucky Derby horse Eight Bells had probably experienced a more humane death than those who die on death row.</p>
<p>“I had checked the procedure they used to kill the horse,” Justice Stevens said, expressing surprise to learn it is against the law in Kentucky to kill animals using one of the drugs in a three-drug lethal injection cocktail that many believe is cruel to humans.</p>
<p>Yet just three weeks ago, the Supreme Court ruled that Kentucky’s use of that cocktail on death row did not constitute cruel and unusual punishment. Justice Stevens concurred with the court’s decision, but conceded his opinion would “generate debate not only about the constitutionality of the three-drug protocol, but also about the justification for the death penalty itself.”</p>
<p>Justice Stevens talked about the lethal injection case and other recent Supreme Court decisions as he addressed an audience of legal professionals at the Chattanooga Convention Center during the last evening of the 68th conference of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit. Justice Stevens presides over the 6th Circuit in his position on the Supreme Court.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: krazy kagu</title>
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		<dc:creator>krazy kagu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can bet the liberals including AMNESY INTERNATIONAL and the ACLU will be lighting their dumb candles and whinning big time to the left-wing news media</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can bet the liberals including AMNESY INTERNATIONAL and the ACLU will be lighting their dumb candles and whinning big time to the left-wing news media</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5707770.html&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Houston Chronicle&lt;/a&gt; published responses from several Texas death penalty opponents regarding what will happen after &lt;i&gt;Baze&lt;/i&gt;. Like the Supreme Court Justices, they have very different opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5707770.html" title="" rel="nofollow">Houston Chronicle</a> published responses from several Texas death penalty opponents regarding what will happen after <i>Baze</i>. Like the Supreme Court Justices, they have very different opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ras,

Stashiu is right about the way to handle the strike code.  However, at this point, that bug has been around so long I think we&#039;ve grown attached to it.  It&#039;s like an old uncle that everyone just tolerates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ras,</p>
<p>Stashiu is right about the way to handle the strike code.  However, at this point, that bug has been around so long I think we&#8217;ve grown attached to it.  It&#8217;s like an old uncle that everyone just tolerates.</p>
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		<title>By: Stashiu3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stashiu3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... &lt;strike&gt;dammit!&lt;/strike&gt; apparently just having the spaces isn&#039;t enough to throw off the html.  That should read &quot;it will place (s) and (/s)&quot; with brackets instead of parentheses.  Replace the (s) and (/s) with (strike) and (/strike) and it will work fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; <strike>dammit!</strike> apparently just having the spaces isn&#8217;t enough to throw off the html.  That should read &#8220;it will place (s) and (/s)&#8221; with brackets instead of parentheses.  Replace the (s) and (/s) with (strike) and (/strike) and it will work fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Stashiu3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stashiu3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ras,

If you use the strike button, it will place  and  (take out the spaces) before and after the word you&#039;re trying to strike-through, showing a strike-through in the preview.  You have to use the word (strike) instead of just the (s) to get it into the comment. For example, take becomes &lt;strike&gt;take&lt;/strike&gt;.  You just have to remember it for this site because it&#039;s always done that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ras,</p>
<p>If you use the strike button, it will place  and  (take out the spaces) before and after the word you&#8217;re trying to strike-through, showing a strike-through in the preview.  You have to use the word (strike) instead of just the (s) to get it into the comment. For example, take becomes <strike>take</strike>.  You just have to remember it for this site because it&#8217;s always done that.</p>
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		<title>By: ras</title>
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		<dc:creator>ras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kishnevi,

There are other prohibitions against stealing property, but I believe you are correct that the Commandment is especially against  kidnapping as its position implies it is a capital offense, whereas one who steals money need only give it back.

Another Drew,

&lt;i&gt;Having said that, I think that though our government is not perfect, it is much farther along the scale towards “just” than those which you refer to historically.&lt;/i&gt;

Agreed.

&lt;i&gt;What weaknesses in the checks &amp; balances handed down by the founders bother you? Which need to be strengthened?&lt;/i&gt;

1. no practical check on the Supreme Court, which can churn out bad decisions much faster than amendments can be passed to fix them.

2. not the Founders&#039; fault, but the Senate should not be elected directly - that&#039;s redundant to what the House is for - but should represent the states as originally designed to prevent the slow and steady devolution of power to the feds. Centralized power is easier to corrupt, and offers little in the way of counter-examples (a.o.t. 50 petri dishes that can be compared to each other).

3. States should raise their own taxes to pay to the feds (feds can keep the right to tax the people directly &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; when the states welsh on their debts, to avoid a repeat of that same prob as occurred under the Articles of Confederation).

As you can see, I prefer small, decentralized govt. I&#039;m Canadian, btw, so apologies if I got anything wrong.

&lt;i&gt;Which are the governments that you refer to as “…done by pavers of the road to hell govts…” ?
I would like to be able to discuss apples, not oranges. &lt;/i&gt;

Any govt that commits genocide or just general &quot;silencing&quot; thru murder of its internal opponents. This is much less a prob in a democracy, agreed, but neither can we guarantee it won&#039;t happen, either. And when it does happen - even if only once in a lifetime - the total bad could pass the total good real quick.

I suspect it would not happen in the US under its current constitution (provided that the courts don&#039;t reinterpret that to meaninglessness as some of Justices try to do) but as a risk/reward proposition, I lean towards the side of (even possibly unnecessary) caution.

Wish I could be more specific than that. I like to think I can usually defend my args with much greater precision, but in this case I acknowledge that I can&#039;t. Then again, I can&#039;t really shoot it down with any precision either cuz it&#039;s so nebulous.

Patterico,

My &quot;pavers of the road to hell&quot; phrase was meant to have strikeout thru it but didn&#039;t, tho it had showed up that way on the preview. You might wish to note the bug to your hosting/comment service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kishnevi,</p>
<p>There are other prohibitions against stealing property, but I believe you are correct that the Commandment is especially against  kidnapping as its position implies it is a capital offense, whereas one who steals money need only give it back.</p>
<p>Another Drew,</p>
<p><i>Having said that, I think that though our government is not perfect, it is much farther along the scale towards “just” than those which you refer to historically.</i></p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
<p><i>What weaknesses in the checks &amp; balances handed down by the founders bother you? Which need to be strengthened?</i></p>
<p>1. no practical check on the Supreme Court, which can churn out bad decisions much faster than amendments can be passed to fix them.</p>
<p>2. not the Founders&#8217; fault, but the Senate should not be elected directly &#8211; that&#8217;s redundant to what the House is for &#8211; but should represent the states as originally designed to prevent the slow and steady devolution of power to the feds. Centralized power is easier to corrupt, and offers little in the way of counter-examples (a.o.t. 50 petri dishes that can be compared to each other).</p>
<p>3. States should raise their own taxes to pay to the feds (feds can keep the right to tax the people directly <i>only</i> when the states welsh on their debts, to avoid a repeat of that same prob as occurred under the Articles of Confederation).</p>
<p>As you can see, I prefer small, decentralized govt. I&#8217;m Canadian, btw, so apologies if I got anything wrong.</p>
<p><i>Which are the governments that you refer to as “…done by pavers of the road to hell govts…” ?<br />
I would like to be able to discuss apples, not oranges. </i></p>
<p>Any govt that commits genocide or just general &#8220;silencing&#8221; thru murder of its internal opponents. This is much less a prob in a democracy, agreed, but neither can we guarantee it won&#8217;t happen, either. And when it does happen &#8211; even if only once in a lifetime &#8211; the total bad could pass the total good real quick.</p>
<p>I suspect it would not happen in the US under its current constitution (provided that the courts don&#8217;t reinterpret that to meaninglessness as some of Justices try to do) but as a risk/reward proposition, I lean towards the side of (even possibly unnecessary) caution.</p>
<p>Wish I could be more specific than that. I like to think I can usually defend my args with much greater precision, but in this case I acknowledge that I can&#8217;t. Then again, I can&#8217;t really shoot it down with any precision either cuz it&#8217;s so nebulous.</p>
<p>Patterico,</p>
<p>My &#8220;pavers of the road to hell&#8221; phrase was meant to have strikeout thru it but didn&#8217;t, tho it had showed up that way on the preview. You might wish to note the bug to your hosting/comment service.</p>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My extended take is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.beldar.org/beldarblog/2008/04/beldar-on-baze.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My extended take is <a href="http://www.beldar.org/beldarblog/2008/04/beldar-on-baze.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: kishnevi</title>
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		<dc:creator>kishnevi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew and Ras--true, the Bible says what you said it means when it said &quot;Do not kill&quot;. 
Of course, in the system that developed from the Bible, it was harder to convict a person of a capital crime than it is now--and there were more capital crimes on the books, too.  (One of the reasons we know the Gospels don&#039;t present an accurate account of Jesus&#039; trial before the Sanhedrin is because those accounts conflict, on almost every point, with the procedures required in capital crimes by Jewish law.)

BTW, when the Decalogue says &quot;Do not steal&quot;--it wasn&#039;t talking about stealing material property.  It  was talking about kidnapping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew and Ras&#8211;true, the Bible says what you said it means when it said &#8220;Do not kill&#8221;.<br />
Of course, in the system that developed from the Bible, it was harder to convict a person of a capital crime than it is now&#8211;and there were more capital crimes on the books, too.  (One of the reasons we know the Gospels don&#8217;t present an accurate account of Jesus&#8217; trial before the Sanhedrin is because those accounts conflict, on almost every point, with the procedures required in capital crimes by Jewish law.)</p>
<p>BTW, when the Decalogue says &#8220;Do not steal&#8221;&#8211;it wasn&#8217;t talking about stealing material property.  It  was talking about kidnapping.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I understand that governments are not to be trusted easily, and should be watched closely.
Having said that, I think that though our government is not perfect, it is much farther along the scale towards &quot;just&quot; than those which you refer to historically.
What weaknesses in the checks &amp; balances handed down by the founders bother you?
Which need to be strengthened?
Which are the governments that you refer to as &quot;...done by pavers of the road to hell govts...&quot; ?
I would like to be able to discuss apples, not oranges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I understand that governments are not to be trusted easily, and should be watched closely.<br />
Having said that, I think that though our government is not perfect, it is much farther along the scale towards &#8220;just&#8221; than those which you refer to historically.<br />
What weaknesses in the checks &amp; balances handed down by the founders bother you?<br />
Which need to be strengthened?<br />
Which are the governments that you refer to as &#8220;&#8230;done by pavers of the road to hell govts&#8230;&#8221; ?<br />
I would like to be able to discuss apples, not oranges.</p>
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