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	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stef</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/04/11/global-warming-and-hurricanes/#comment-333604</link>
		<dc:creator>stef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I thought the debate was over? That people who disagreed with any aspect of AGW were the equivalent of Holocaust deniers?"

Climate scientists are in disagreement as to what the effect of global warming on hurricanes.  This may come as a shock to people who want easy answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I thought the debate was over? That people who disagreed with any aspect of AGW were the equivalent of Holocaust deniers?&#8221;</p>
<p>Climate scientists are in disagreement as to what the effect of global warming on hurricanes.  This may come as a shock to people who want easy answers.</p>
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		<title>By: krazy kagu</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/04/11/global-warming-and-hurricanes/#comment-333497</link>
		<dc:creator>krazy kagu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fewyears ag the wackos from GREENPEACE were wanting that hurricanes be named for varuous industries they calim were cuasing and contributing to global warming proving that only a complete idiot would have anything to do with GREENPEACE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fewyears ag the wackos from GREENPEACE were wanting that hurricanes be named for varuous industries they calim were cuasing and contributing to global warming proving that only a complete idiot would have anything to do with GREENPEACE</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Horton</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/04/11/global-warming-and-hurricanes/#comment-333448</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Horton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 06:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth is Emanuel's original work on the subject was incredibly shoddy.  Chris Landsea has simply destroyed Emanuel's use of the Best Track hurricane data, although Emanuel never seemed to notice.

This "new" finding allows him a more graceful exit from his completely untenable position than coming out and admitting he was dead wrong and Landsea and Co. were completely right.

Gutless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth is Emanuel&#8217;s original work on the subject was incredibly shoddy.  Chris Landsea has simply destroyed Emanuel&#8217;s use of the Best Track hurricane data, although Emanuel never seemed to notice.</p>
<p>This &#8220;new&#8221; finding allows him a more graceful exit from his completely untenable position than coming out and admitting he was dead wrong and Landsea and Co. were completely right.</p>
<p>Gutless.</p>
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		<title>By: EdWood</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/04/11/global-warming-and-hurricanes/#comment-333427</link>
		<dc:creator>EdWood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn't necessarily that a researcher leans too far on one side of debate, it's that they can get ahead of their facts because they want their IDEA to be right.   Not necessarily because they are invested in some idealogy (although that can be the case) but because they just want to have discovered something useful or important.  

It's my experience that even scientists who have political views hold them as (sometimes substantially) less important than getting their research right.  They would rather be correct about their findings than "right" in their idealogy.  

It helps when one of the central tenets of the scientific method is that all hypotheses will inevitably change, even theories that seemed pretty solid like gravity or evolution have been refined substantially as new evidence has come to light.  Researchers who believe in what they do will accept alterations to their ideas, but only if the data is good enough to convince them.  It sounds like someone pulled this guy aside and said "dude... look at these numbers" and he HAD to say "wow.  Yeah, Ok, I guess I'd better re-think this".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t necessarily that a researcher leans too far on one side of debate, it&#8217;s that they can get ahead of their facts because they want their IDEA to be right.   Not necessarily because they are invested in some idealogy (although that can be the case) but because they just want to have discovered something useful or important.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s my experience that even scientists who have political views hold them as (sometimes substantially) less important than getting their research right.  They would rather be correct about their findings than &#8220;right&#8221; in their idealogy.  </p>
<p>It helps when one of the central tenets of the scientific method is that all hypotheses will inevitably change, even theories that seemed pretty solid like gravity or evolution have been refined substantially as new evidence has come to light.  Researchers who believe in what they do will accept alterations to their ideas, but only if the data is good enough to convince them.  It sounds like someone pulled this guy aside and said &#8220;dude&#8230; look at these numbers&#8221; and he HAD to say &#8220;wow.  Yeah, Ok, I guess I&#8217;d better re-think this&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/04/11/global-warming-and-hurricanes/#comment-333345</link>
		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can probably all benefit from self-promotion in our careers, but there are still limits to how far one should go.  I think a researcher who leans too far toward one side of a debate risks being seen as a partisan instead of a scientist.  It looks like Emanuel took that risk and now he's feeling the consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can probably all benefit from self-promotion in our careers, but there are still limits to how far one should go.  I think a researcher who leans too far toward one side of a debate risks being seen as a partisan instead of a scientist.  It looks like Emanuel took that risk and now he&#8217;s feeling the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: EdWood</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/04/11/global-warming-and-hurricanes/#comment-333341</link>
		<dc:creator>EdWood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DRJ, Scientists have to self promote and stay relevant just like any other profession. A pub on a current hot topic in Science or Nature would be a very nice boost for any researcher.

     I didn't know that he had stopped talking with Gray coz Gray seemed like one of the better "lets make sure the numbers are right" people in the hurricane debate. It wouldn't be the first time that two scientists just couldn't see eye to eye on their numbers... and accused each other of political bias (which they have of course like anyone else) to try and further their argument in a less honest way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DRJ, Scientists have to self promote and stay relevant just like any other profession. A pub on a current hot topic in Science or Nature would be a very nice boost for any researcher.</p>
<p>     I didn&#8217;t know that he had stopped talking with Gray coz Gray seemed like one of the better &#8220;lets make sure the numbers are right&#8221; people in the hurricane debate. It wouldn&#8217;t be the first time that two scientists just couldn&#8217;t see eye to eye on their numbers&#8230; and accused each other of political bias (which they have of course like anyone else) to try and further their argument in a less honest way.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/04/11/global-warming-and-hurricanes/#comment-333228</link>
		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EdWood,

Are you saying that Emanuel never wanted his work to be used by global-warming extremists (on either side), and all he wanted was exposure for his work? If so, that's a novel defense.

In any event, &lt;a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v436/n7051/abs/nature03906.html" title="" rel="nofollow"&gt;in 2005&lt;/a&gt;, Emanuel had no doubts about and clearly believed that global warming increases hurricane length and intensity.  &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/23/AR2006052301305_pf.html" title="" rel="nofollow"&gt;In 2006&lt;/a&gt;, he vowed he would not debate again with hurricane expert Bill Gray because Emanuel found Gray's global warming skepticism "sad."  That doesn't sound very open-minded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EdWood,</p>
<p>Are you saying that Emanuel never wanted his work to be used by global-warming extremists (on either side), and all he wanted was exposure for his work? If so, that&#8217;s a novel defense.</p>
<p>In any event, <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v436/n7051/abs/nature03906.html" title="" rel="nofollow">in 2005</a>, Emanuel had no doubts about and clearly believed that global warming increases hurricane length and intensity.  <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/23/AR2006052301305_pf.html" title="" rel="nofollow">In 2006</a>, he vowed he would not debate again with hurricane expert Bill Gray because Emanuel found Gray&#8217;s global warming skepticism &#8220;sad.&#8221;  That doesn&#8217;t sound very open-minded.</p>
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		<title>By: porkopolitan</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/04/11/global-warming-and-hurricanes/#comment-333212</link>
		<dc:creator>porkopolitan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I'm too cynical, but I view this less as "revisiting the issue" than "revising the standards of proof."  Under the old formula, [more &#38; bigger hurricanes (equal) global warming].  After the revision, [slight increases in number &#38; intensity (do NOT equal) less global warming than previously predicted].  Remember, *everything* is cause by global warmening!  Can I get an "amen"!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m too cynical, but I view this less as &#8220;revisiting the issue&#8221; than &#8220;revising the standards of proof.&#8221;  Under the old formula, [more &amp; bigger hurricanes (equal) global warming].  After the revision, [slight increases in number &amp; intensity (do NOT equal) less global warming than previously predicted].  Remember, *everything* is cause by global warmening!  Can I get an &#8220;amen&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: EdWood</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/04/11/global-warming-and-hurricanes/#comment-333176</link>
		<dc:creator>EdWood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It’s good that Emanuel is willing to revisit this issue - a true idealogue wouldn’t - but instances like this reinforce the perception that some scientists let emotion overrule facts when it comes to global warming."

Hmm, to me this re-enforces the idea that Dr. Emanuel is a scientist who is willing to change his theory when new evidence comes to light.

His connection to global warming in the original article was more about his desire to publish in Science (presitgious journal) and the need to put one's work in the context of some body of theory (otherwise you don't get published anywhere). 

A true idealogue probably wouldn't change thier minds-without a lot of persuasion- fortunately Dr. Emanuel is not one of that ilk.  There are plenty of idealogues out there though who will use his desire to re-examine his theory(old news by the way), which is the action of a real scientist, to bolster their own idealogical beliefs that they are right....as always... that all global change science is a hoax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s good that Emanuel is willing to revisit this issue - a true idealogue wouldn’t - but instances like this reinforce the perception that some scientists let emotion overrule facts when it comes to global warming.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm, to me this re-enforces the idea that Dr. Emanuel is a scientist who is willing to change his theory when new evidence comes to light.</p>
<p>His connection to global warming in the original article was more about his desire to publish in Science (presitgious journal) and the need to put one&#8217;s work in the context of some body of theory (otherwise you don&#8217;t get published anywhere). </p>
<p>A true idealogue probably wouldn&#8217;t change thier minds-without a lot of persuasion- fortunately Dr. Emanuel is not one of that ilk.  There are plenty of idealogues out there though who will use his desire to re-examine his theory(old news by the way), which is the action of a real scientist, to bolster their own idealogical beliefs that they are right&#8230;.as always&#8230; that all global change science is a hoax.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/04/11/global-warming-and-hurricanes/#comment-333161</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please.  The only reason he's changing his tune is because after Katrina, all the AGW folks cried out that because of Global Warming (read: because Bush is a meanie and won't bone our economy), hurricanes would get WORSE and WORSE.  They predicted DOOOOOOOOM...

Anyone recall how many hurricanes of any significance hit the US last season?

Yeah, neither can I.  Wasn't many, that for sure.

So we have demonstratedly false predictions made by "people who understood global warming".  Thus, they have to change their tune.

At some point, we really do have to start holding them to their predictions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please.  The only reason he&#8217;s changing his tune is because after Katrina, all the AGW folks cried out that because of Global Warming (read: because Bush is a meanie and won&#8217;t bone our economy), hurricanes would get WORSE and WORSE.  They predicted DOOOOOOOOM&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyone recall how many hurricanes of any significance hit the US last season?</p>
<p>Yeah, neither can I.  Wasn&#8217;t many, that for sure.</p>
<p>So we have demonstratedly false predictions made by &#8220;people who understood global warming&#8221;.  Thus, they have to change their tune.</p>
<p>At some point, we really do have to start holding them to their predictions&#8230;</p>
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