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	<title>Comments on: Homeland Security Announces &#8220;Deport the Criminals First&#8221; Policy</title>
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		<title>By: fouse, gary c</title>
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		<dc:creator>fouse, gary c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamiel&#039;s Law- Resolution by LA City Council Member Dennis Zine 

Today, LA City Council Member Dennis Zine has introduced a resolution to amend Special Rule 40 to allow LAPD officers to take action if they encounter a known illegal alien who is also a known gang member. The resolution is being seconded by Greig Smith, who sits with Zine on the Public Safety Committee. It will be submitted to committee chairman Jack Weiss, who is in charge of the paper-shuffling and can schedule it for debate or send it directly to the council. Weiss, who aspires to run for City Attorney, has been quoted in the past that issue should &quot;be handled in the jails&quot;.

In response, committee member Tony Cardenas announced his opposition stating that &quot;LAPD officers should not be Immigration agents&quot;. This character is definitely on the side of the gangs.

As I understand it, the Public Safety Committee has 5 members, Zine, Smith, Parks, Ed Reyes,and Weiss. Three yes votes are needed to forward the resolution on to the full council. Whether the 3 votes are there is not known. The 3 question marks are Weiss, Reyes and Parks. (Actually, Reyes is on the other side.) 

Meanwhile, while this invading army of tens of thousands terrorizes the citizens of Los Angeles, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who gives immigration rally speeches supporting illegals, has taken a break from being Hillary Clinton&#039;s national campaign co-chair to write a letter to Michael Cherthof of Homeland Security complaining about workplace raids. His position is, not surprisingly, seconded by the LA Times.

Another curious factor in this mess is the silence of the black activist community. LA, not surprisingly, has a whole stable of so-called Civil Rights leaders who will come out of the woodwork immediately if a cop or a white person victimizes a black person. Yet, in this matter, they are completely silent. People like Eddie Jones, Tony Mohammed, and Najee Ali are AWOL. Nationally, it is the same thing. Where is Al Sharpton? Where is Jesse Jackson? Where is the NAACP? Where is the Congressional Black Caucus? Where is Maxine Waters, representative from LA?

Where is the outrage?

Why were they not standing with Mr and Mrs Shaw this week when they stood before the City Council crying and pleading while the council members basically sat there impassively &quot;clipping their fingernails&quot; in the words of supporter and talk show host Doug McIntyre.

This shows these people for what they are. According to their agenda, they only take note and get involved when it is a white perpetrator and a black victim-or a white cop and black suspect. Illegal alien gang member kills an innocent black teenager? Not interested. 

This is not just a LA problem. This situation is spreading all over the country while elected officials refuse to take action either out of sympathy for illegal aliens, Latino solidarity or fear of being sued by the ACLU. 

LA talk jocks, John and Ken of KFI have given out the office phone numbers of Weiss, Reyes and Parks asking that they be called and urged to support Jamiel&#039;s Law. I have called the offices of Weiss and Parks. Reyes I consider a lost cause, but I did send him this email last night:

&quot;Mr Reyes, 

I am shocked and disgusted at your blase attitude toward the Shaw family and the murder of their son. It is incredible that you place the city&#039;s economy above the lives of innocent victims of illegal alien gang members.

You, the mayor, the police chief and the other City Council members have blood on your hands because of this insane sanctuary city policy.

You sir, are a disgrace.&quot;

Gary Fouse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamiel&#8217;s Law- Resolution by LA City Council Member Dennis Zine </p>
<p>Today, LA City Council Member Dennis Zine has introduced a resolution to amend Special Rule 40 to allow LAPD officers to take action if they encounter a known illegal alien who is also a known gang member. The resolution is being seconded by Greig Smith, who sits with Zine on the Public Safety Committee. It will be submitted to committee chairman Jack Weiss, who is in charge of the paper-shuffling and can schedule it for debate or send it directly to the council. Weiss, who aspires to run for City Attorney, has been quoted in the past that issue should &#8220;be handled in the jails&#8221;.</p>
<p>In response, committee member Tony Cardenas announced his opposition stating that &#8220;LAPD officers should not be Immigration agents&#8221;. This character is definitely on the side of the gangs.</p>
<p>As I understand it, the Public Safety Committee has 5 members, Zine, Smith, Parks, Ed Reyes,and Weiss. Three yes votes are needed to forward the resolution on to the full council. Whether the 3 votes are there is not known. The 3 question marks are Weiss, Reyes and Parks. (Actually, Reyes is on the other side.) </p>
<p>Meanwhile, while this invading army of tens of thousands terrorizes the citizens of Los Angeles, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who gives immigration rally speeches supporting illegals, has taken a break from being Hillary Clinton&#8217;s national campaign co-chair to write a letter to Michael Cherthof of Homeland Security complaining about workplace raids. His position is, not surprisingly, seconded by the LA Times.</p>
<p>Another curious factor in this mess is the silence of the black activist community. LA, not surprisingly, has a whole stable of so-called Civil Rights leaders who will come out of the woodwork immediately if a cop or a white person victimizes a black person. Yet, in this matter, they are completely silent. People like Eddie Jones, Tony Mohammed, and Najee Ali are AWOL. Nationally, it is the same thing. Where is Al Sharpton? Where is Jesse Jackson? Where is the NAACP? Where is the Congressional Black Caucus? Where is Maxine Waters, representative from LA?</p>
<p>Where is the outrage?</p>
<p>Why were they not standing with Mr and Mrs Shaw this week when they stood before the City Council crying and pleading while the council members basically sat there impassively &#8220;clipping their fingernails&#8221; in the words of supporter and talk show host Doug McIntyre.</p>
<p>This shows these people for what they are. According to their agenda, they only take note and get involved when it is a white perpetrator and a black victim-or a white cop and black suspect. Illegal alien gang member kills an innocent black teenager? Not interested. </p>
<p>This is not just a LA problem. This situation is spreading all over the country while elected officials refuse to take action either out of sympathy for illegal aliens, Latino solidarity or fear of being sued by the ACLU. </p>
<p>LA talk jocks, John and Ken of KFI have given out the office phone numbers of Weiss, Reyes and Parks asking that they be called and urged to support Jamiel&#8217;s Law. I have called the offices of Weiss and Parks. Reyes I consider a lost cause, but I did send him this email last night:</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr Reyes, </p>
<p>I am shocked and disgusted at your blase attitude toward the Shaw family and the murder of their son. It is incredible that you place the city&#8217;s economy above the lives of innocent victims of illegal alien gang members.</p>
<p>You, the mayor, the police chief and the other City Council members have blood on your hands because of this insane sanctuary city policy.</p>
<p>You sir, are a disgrace.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gary Fouse</p>
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		<title>By: Another Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, I don&#039;t disagree.

But, perhaps we should start out small, by just putting a bounty on their heads?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, I don&#8217;t disagree.</p>
<p>But, perhaps we should start out small, by just putting a bounty on their heads?</p>
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		<title>By: j curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>j curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Bush and Chertoff will not be able to make any mischef after 1/20/09!&lt;/i&gt;

They know their replacements will be sympathetic to the mischief. 

I&#039;m saying that Mexican criminals should be classified as enemy combatants and the invasion of our homeland classified as an act of war by Mexico.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bush and Chertoff will not be able to make any mischef after 1/20/09!</i></p>
<p>They know their replacements will be sympathetic to the mischief. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m saying that Mexican criminals should be classified as enemy combatants and the invasion of our homeland classified as an act of war by Mexico.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>j...
Bush and Chertoff will not be able to make any mischef after 1/20/09!
The A-Q types (alleged) at Gitmo are not prisoners, they are detainees.  Since they were not wearing a uni when captured, they have no POW status; until they have been convicted of a crime, they cannot be considered prisoners.
I would think that we could keep deporting Illegal Alien Criminals until we run out of them; then, we could start on the run-of-the-mill aliens who have no other criminal history.  But, got an outstanding warrant (for anything):  Go to the head of the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j&#8230;<br />
Bush and Chertoff will not be able to make any mischef after 1/20/09!<br />
The A-Q types (alleged) at Gitmo are not prisoners, they are detainees.  Since they were not wearing a uni when captured, they have no POW status; until they have been convicted of a crime, they cannot be considered prisoners.<br />
I would think that we could keep deporting Illegal Alien Criminals until we run out of them; then, we could start on the run-of-the-mill aliens who have no other criminal history.  But, got an outstanding warrant (for anything):  Go to the head of the line.</p>
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		<title>By: j curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>j curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Using J. Curtis’ math, this is probably a cost saving measure. $10,000 to identify and deport an illegal alien vs. $30,000 to $40,000 per year to keep them locked up.&lt;/i&gt;

A few things that I need to know about this...

If these prisoners are identified and they were sentenced to prison plus probation, shouldn&#039;t they have to do all that probation time in prison before they are released? 

Shouldn&#039;t all Mexican Nationals who are currently on probation and identified be thrown back into jail to serve that probation time instead of given a one day vacation back in Mexico and no more probation? They&#039;ll be back the next day free and clear and totally off the radar of the justice system.

If they are deporting the criminals &quot;first&quot;, does that mean they don&#039;t have to deport the so-called &quot;non criminal illegals&quot; until after all the criminal illegals are deported? I suspect that is Bush&#039;s scheme.

Shouldn&#039;t this program be only a one year thing or will they be indentifying 300k Mexican prisoners ever year for eternity? Since federal programs never end, won&#039;t they need to keep the conditions in place that will ensure lots and lots of Mexican prisoners continuously being unidentified so that they can be identified later on with the 3 billion a year program? Surely those thousands of new government employees who will be hired for this program will want to keep their jobs for a long time so being effective at their jobs will threaten their job security. 

As I&#039;ve stated before, Bush and Chertoff consider themselves the patron saints of the illegal invaders and particularly the Mexican criminals ( think Davila of Ramos and Compean fame ). You need to consider the mischief they have in mind with this program.

If we find some illegal aliens from Iraq, should we be more inclined to deport the prisoners at Gitmo first? No. The Mexican criminals are analogous to the prisoners at Gitmo. We want to keep them incarcerated for as long as possible because we know that they will be a threat again soon after deported. 

Deport the non criminal illegals first and keep the criminals locked up as invading war criminals until we can safely dispose of them. Yes, it&#039;s a war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Using J. Curtis’ math, this is probably a cost saving measure. $10,000 to identify and deport an illegal alien vs. $30,000 to $40,000 per year to keep them locked up.</i></p>
<p>A few things that I need to know about this&#8230;</p>
<p>If these prisoners are identified and they were sentenced to prison plus probation, shouldn&#8217;t they have to do all that probation time in prison before they are released? </p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t all Mexican Nationals who are currently on probation and identified be thrown back into jail to serve that probation time instead of given a one day vacation back in Mexico and no more probation? They&#8217;ll be back the next day free and clear and totally off the radar of the justice system.</p>
<p>If they are deporting the criminals &#8220;first&#8221;, does that mean they don&#8217;t have to deport the so-called &#8220;non criminal illegals&#8221; until after all the criminal illegals are deported? I suspect that is Bush&#8217;s scheme.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t this program be only a one year thing or will they be indentifying 300k Mexican prisoners ever year for eternity? Since federal programs never end, won&#8217;t they need to keep the conditions in place that will ensure lots and lots of Mexican prisoners continuously being unidentified so that they can be identified later on with the 3 billion a year program? Surely those thousands of new government employees who will be hired for this program will want to keep their jobs for a long time so being effective at their jobs will threaten their job security. </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve stated before, Bush and Chertoff consider themselves the patron saints of the illegal invaders and particularly the Mexican criminals ( think Davila of Ramos and Compean fame ). You need to consider the mischief they have in mind with this program.</p>
<p>If we find some illegal aliens from Iraq, should we be more inclined to deport the prisoners at Gitmo first? No. The Mexican criminals are analogous to the prisoners at Gitmo. We want to keep them incarcerated for as long as possible because we know that they will be a threat again soon after deported. </p>
<p>Deport the non criminal illegals first and keep the criminals locked up as invading war criminals until we can safely dispose of them. Yes, it&#8217;s a war.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Veit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Veit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll let you all know if ICE comes knocking at my door over a parking ticket.  I&#039;m against illegal immigration along with most of you, but in my not infrequent contacts with poor people I&#039;d say that 90% of them have outstanding warrants, all of them for bullshit deals like speeding, no smog-no registration (nobody poor can afford to register or smog their vehicles), being drunk in a parking lot with his friends, and so on.  Outstanding Warrants is just an excuse to harass.  Outstanding Warrants for felonies is something altogether different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll let you all know if ICE comes knocking at my door over a parking ticket.  I&#8217;m against illegal immigration along with most of you, but in my not infrequent contacts with poor people I&#8217;d say that 90% of them have outstanding warrants, all of them for bullshit deals like speeding, no smog-no registration (nobody poor can afford to register or smog their vehicles), being drunk in a parking lot with his friends, and so on.  Outstanding Warrants is just an excuse to harass.  Outstanding Warrants for felonies is something altogether different.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty...
We had a perfect place for that idea on a small island right out near the end of the Aleutians:  Shemya.
Unfortunately, DoD is now in the process of fitting it out with the latest radar as part of the anti-missile shield system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty&#8230;<br />
We had a perfect place for that idea on a small island right out near the end of the Aleutians:  Shemya.<br />
Unfortunately, DoD is now in the process of fitting it out with the latest radar as part of the anti-missile shield system.</p>
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		<title>By: MartyH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MartyH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using J. Curtis&#039; math, this is probably a cost saving measure. $10,000 to identify and deport an illegal alien vs. $30,000 to $40,000 per year to keep them locked up.

The key is keeping them out once they have been deported. I&#039;d build a jail on Adak Island in the Aleutians. If a criminal deportee is caught in the US again after being deported-for any reason at all-it&#039;s straight to Adak for the balance of the maximum unserved term. No time off for good behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using J. Curtis&#8217; math, this is probably a cost saving measure. $10,000 to identify and deport an illegal alien vs. $30,000 to $40,000 per year to keep them locked up.</p>
<p>The key is keeping them out once they have been deported. I&#8217;d build a jail on Adak Island in the Aleutians. If a criminal deportee is caught in the US again after being deported-for any reason at all-it&#8217;s straight to Adak for the balance of the maximum unserved term. No time off for good behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile the City Clowncil and Mayor Villar argue over $19 million in slush fund...I mean, anti-gang funds.  They have &quot;hugged&quot; the bereaved and helped them pay for funerals.  Wow.  Not a word on what they&#039;re going to do to stop the violence. How about hiring more police, and letting them deport the criminals first? 

Hey, maybe they can reinstate Hector Marroquin!

They simply don&#039;t care--they care about the $19 million.     &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_8870622&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;$19 million and counting&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile the City Clowncil and Mayor Villar argue over $19 million in slush fund&#8230;I mean, anti-gang funds.  They have &#8220;hugged&#8221; the bereaved and helped them pay for funerals.  Wow.  Not a word on what they&#8217;re going to do to stop the violence. How about hiring more police, and letting them deport the criminals first? </p>
<p>Hey, maybe they can reinstate Hector Marroquin!</p>
<p>They simply don&#8217;t care&#8211;they care about the $19 million.     <a href="http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_8870622" title="" rel="nofollow">$19 million and counting</a></p>
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		<title>By: LonewackoDotCom</title>
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		<dc:creator>LonewackoDotCom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven Den Beste: Now, see this: tinyurl.com/hoxoy

Depending on how they&#039;re released, coming back or being found here could be a felony. So, it might not be like the normal cases you might have heard about, where people can just keep coming back over and over.

As for &quot;deport the criminals first&quot;, I don&#039;t support this site&#039;s version of it since Patterico has made it clear that once that&#039;s done he wants an amnesty.

Instead, as outlined yesterday and then fisked by a bellicose woman, I support a &quot;discredit the politicians first&quot; process, thereby leading to deportations and no amnesty.

Of course, something like that might require a little &lt;a href=&quot;http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/10/juan-hernandez-alert/&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;work&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven Den Beste: Now, see this: tinyurl.com/hoxoy</p>
<p>Depending on how they&#8217;re released, coming back or being found here could be a felony. So, it might not be like the normal cases you might have heard about, where people can just keep coming back over and over.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;deport the criminals first&#8221;, I don&#8217;t support this site&#8217;s version of it since Patterico has made it clear that once that&#8217;s done he wants an amnesty.</p>
<p>Instead, as outlined yesterday and then fisked by a bellicose woman, I support a &#8220;discredit the politicians first&#8221; process, thereby leading to deportations and no amnesty.</p>
<p>Of course, something like that might require a little <a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/10/juan-hernandez-alert/" title="" rel="nofollow">work</a>.</p>
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