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	<title>Comments on: L.A. Times Article on Obama-Wright Controversy Downplays the Most Damning Details</title>
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		<title>By: alex hagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex hagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>go to youtube and watch Wrights Sermon yourself and decide. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

And I also recommend anyone who softens a bit look at this one. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT7LxAKgYeI&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>go to youtube and watch Wrights Sermon yourself and decide. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ</a></p>
<p>And I also recommend anyone who softens a bit look at this one. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT7LxAKgYeI&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT7LxAKgYeI&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Siree. No matter what my lying eyes have told me has happened over the past 20 years I totally believe without question that Obama and Michele sat through all those sermons and never, never, ever agreed with anything that Wright said, nor did they approve of the rest of the congregation&#039;s wild-ass, er, energetic, approval of everything that Wright said that might be considered by you and me to be you know, &quot;controversial&quot;. 

I also believe, I mean know, that they bring their kids because baby sitting is just too darn expensive (give em a break they only make a bit over a million a year) and being the wonderful parents they are, they just put their hands over the kids ears when Wright says one of his &#039;no-no&#039; things - it&#039;s so cute... 

I also believe without question that kindly old reverend Wright really does mean well, he&#039;s just a bit old you see and forgets that its not 1908 anymore. Yes, Obama was heaping praise after praise on kindly old uncle Wright for years up to a few months ago when he stopped heaping praise on him for reasons that shall go unnoticed. But, there&#039;s no need to worry about Reverend Wright. He won&#039;t actually live in the Whitehouse or anything. And Obama will only consult him on non-nuclear matters. Mostly. 

And if you think that &quot;Black Liberation Theology&quot; thing that forms the theological basis for Obama&#039;s church is hateful to white people, I have one word for you: Slavery. So shutup about that because the MSM is ignoring it and if you needed to know about it they would tell you. Or Obama would. Or both.

Why am I so confident in my belief of Obama? Because Obama said so in a speech. A speech where the words came right out of his mouth. I saw his mouth move and heard the words. That&#039;s all it takes. So it must be true. GOBAMA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Siree. No matter what my lying eyes have told me has happened over the past 20 years I totally believe without question that Obama and Michele sat through all those sermons and never, never, ever agreed with anything that Wright said, nor did they approve of the rest of the congregation&#8217;s wild-ass, er, energetic, approval of everything that Wright said that might be considered by you and me to be you know, &#8220;controversial&#8221;. </p>
<p>I also believe, I mean know, that they bring their kids because baby sitting is just too darn expensive (give em a break they only make a bit over a million a year) and being the wonderful parents they are, they just put their hands over the kids ears when Wright says one of his &#8216;no-no&#8217; things &#8211; it&#8217;s so cute&#8230; </p>
<p>I also believe without question that kindly old reverend Wright really does mean well, he&#8217;s just a bit old you see and forgets that its not 1908 anymore. Yes, Obama was heaping praise after praise on kindly old uncle Wright for years up to a few months ago when he stopped heaping praise on him for reasons that shall go unnoticed. But, there&#8217;s no need to worry about Reverend Wright. He won&#8217;t actually live in the Whitehouse or anything. And Obama will only consult him on non-nuclear matters. Mostly. </p>
<p>And if you think that &#8220;Black Liberation Theology&#8221; thing that forms the theological basis for Obama&#8217;s church is hateful to white people, I have one word for you: Slavery. So shutup about that because the MSM is ignoring it and if you needed to know about it they would tell you. Or Obama would. Or both.</p>
<p>Why am I so confident in my belief of Obama? Because Obama said so in a speech. A speech where the words came right out of his mouth. I saw his mouth move and heard the words. That&#8217;s all it takes. So it must be true. GOBAMA</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, this had nothing to do with race and everything with worldview and ideology! Condi Rice and Colin Powell are black, but strong, trustworthy, patriotic characters. Pity they are not electable! But Obama, for goodness sake, this guy is just to much. He is on the left fringe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, this had nothing to do with race and everything with worldview and ideology! Condi Rice and Colin Powell are black, but strong, trustworthy, patriotic characters. Pity they are not electable! But Obama, for goodness sake, this guy is just to much. He is on the left fringe.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evidence shows Obama has lied to the American people...

Senator Obama threw down the gauntlet recently regarding his former controversial Pastor Wright, insisting that he knew nothing of his incendiary sermons, quotes of which are now being repeated ad nausem in media outlets. 

He denounced these views, and said he would have left the preacher and maybe even the church, if he had only known about the rhetoric, but all he observed during the 20 years of close association was finding Jesus.

Obviously, this defies all credulity to a reasonable person, since attending so long with such a close association is unlikely to hide such an obvious bigoted bias, but NOW there appears to be *clear evidence* surfacing to show what Barack knew and when he knew it, and the picture is clear that Obama knew all about Wright&#039;s views, despite his recent claim to the contrary. 

1) Last year, the New York Times reported that Obama was worried over Wright&#039;s views, suggesting he was well familiar with their incendiary nature. This was reported 3/17/08 By John Fund on Fox News. 

2) In Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance by Barack Obama, he quote&#039;s his former pastor where inflammatory rhetoric was openly used, so it is impossible for Barack to suggest NOW that he just found out about such views. This was exposed by Rich Lowry March 14 2008 on National Review online, and is obviously easy to fact check. Naturally, considering that Barack was so deeply influenced in development that his other book &quot;The Audacity of Hope&quot; has its title inspired by Wright, it is hardly surprising.

3) A reporter (Kessler) from Newsmax has stated that Obama was in attendence last July 22 in the pulpit where Wright sermoned, nodding in agreement when the Pastor used inflammatory rhetoric. He may have been wrong about the exact date, but this reporter is sticking to his story and new details have emerged, see this link:  http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/03/newsmaxs-kessle.html 

Reporters are not given to openly lying to ruin their careers, but politicans are.

As so often is the case, the cover up is worse than the original offence, something we have all learned from Watergate. Politicians attempt to lie instead of coming clean, and their credibility is lost. 

Obama has lost his. 

A campaign presumptively built on character shows now that Obama was not a good judge of personal character, considering his association with Wright. An election about judgement shows Barack did not have that with regard to a person he had on his staff up until recently, when for poltical expediancy the preacher was thrown under the bus. Obama had clearly known about his racial views, as demonstrated above. Finally, race built on transcending race relations has been shown to be connected intimately with divisive left wing radical racial politics, not bringing people together. 

A liberal voting record more extreme than just about any other senator also belies his claim of working with the other side. Obama supported filibuster of Alito, and voted against the partial birth abortion bill most Americans, even prochoicers, supported. He also denounced the Supreme Court ruling upholding the legality of the late term abortion ban. A divider, not a uniter. 


His wife&#039;s comment about her being proud of her country for the first time in her adult life, which many took offense to, may be explained by so many hours spent in front of Wright, whose views must have been known clearly to the prospective first couple, and this also speaks volumes. 

The defense that these charges are merely political sophistry, &quot;guilt by association&quot; as it were, are clearly incorrect in light of the above facts to the contrary, and the predonderance of the evidence.

As a liberal African American Juan Williams put it on Fox News recently, the more we learn about Barack Obama, the more we learn he is an inauthentic, disingenuous politician who does not offer hope and change, but more of the same.

This story may doom Obama&#039;s nomination candidacy, general election prospects, and may even prompt calls for resignation of his senate seat, since the cover up calls into question his honesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidence shows Obama has lied to the American people&#8230;</p>
<p>Senator Obama threw down the gauntlet recently regarding his former controversial Pastor Wright, insisting that he knew nothing of his incendiary sermons, quotes of which are now being repeated ad nausem in media outlets. </p>
<p>He denounced these views, and said he would have left the preacher and maybe even the church, if he had only known about the rhetoric, but all he observed during the 20 years of close association was finding Jesus.</p>
<p>Obviously, this defies all credulity to a reasonable person, since attending so long with such a close association is unlikely to hide such an obvious bigoted bias, but NOW there appears to be *clear evidence* surfacing to show what Barack knew and when he knew it, and the picture is clear that Obama knew all about Wright&#8217;s views, despite his recent claim to the contrary. </p>
<p>1) Last year, the New York Times reported that Obama was worried over Wright&#8217;s views, suggesting he was well familiar with their incendiary nature. This was reported 3/17/08 By John Fund on Fox News. </p>
<p>2) In Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance by Barack Obama, he quote&#8217;s his former pastor where inflammatory rhetoric was openly used, so it is impossible for Barack to suggest NOW that he just found out about such views. This was exposed by Rich Lowry March 14 2008 on National Review online, and is obviously easy to fact check. Naturally, considering that Barack was so deeply influenced in development that his other book &#8220;The Audacity of Hope&#8221; has its title inspired by Wright, it is hardly surprising.</p>
<p>3) A reporter (Kessler) from Newsmax has stated that Obama was in attendence last July 22 in the pulpit where Wright sermoned, nodding in agreement when the Pastor used inflammatory rhetoric. He may have been wrong about the exact date, but this reporter is sticking to his story and new details have emerged, see this link:  <a href="http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/03/newsmaxs-kessle.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/03/newsmaxs-kessle.html</a> </p>
<p>Reporters are not given to openly lying to ruin their careers, but politicans are.</p>
<p>As so often is the case, the cover up is worse than the original offence, something we have all learned from Watergate. Politicians attempt to lie instead of coming clean, and their credibility is lost. </p>
<p>Obama has lost his. </p>
<p>A campaign presumptively built on character shows now that Obama was not a good judge of personal character, considering his association with Wright. An election about judgement shows Barack did not have that with regard to a person he had on his staff up until recently, when for poltical expediancy the preacher was thrown under the bus. Obama had clearly known about his racial views, as demonstrated above. Finally, race built on transcending race relations has been shown to be connected intimately with divisive left wing radical racial politics, not bringing people together. </p>
<p>A liberal voting record more extreme than just about any other senator also belies his claim of working with the other side. Obama supported filibuster of Alito, and voted against the partial birth abortion bill most Americans, even prochoicers, supported. He also denounced the Supreme Court ruling upholding the legality of the late term abortion ban. A divider, not a uniter. </p>
<p>His wife&#8217;s comment about her being proud of her country for the first time in her adult life, which many took offense to, may be explained by so many hours spent in front of Wright, whose views must have been known clearly to the prospective first couple, and this also speaks volumes. </p>
<p>The defense that these charges are merely political sophistry, &#8220;guilt by association&#8221; as it were, are clearly incorrect in light of the above facts to the contrary, and the predonderance of the evidence.</p>
<p>As a liberal African American Juan Williams put it on Fox News recently, the more we learn about Barack Obama, the more we learn he is an inauthentic, disingenuous politician who does not offer hope and change, but more of the same.</p>
<p>This story may doom Obama&#8217;s nomination candidacy, general election prospects, and may even prompt calls for resignation of his senate seat, since the cover up calls into question his honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama Knew of Pastor’s Sermons
By Don &#124; March 15, 2008 
Sen. Barack Obama apparently was well aware of Rev. Jeremiah Wright&#039;s statements long before they became publc.
Obama told CNN that he &quot;didn&#039;t know about all these statements. I knew about one or two of these statements that had been made. One or two statements would not lead me to distance myself from either my church or my pastor. ... If I had thought that was the tenor or tone on an ongoing basis, then yes, I don&#039;t think it would have been reflective of my values.&quot;
But according to a New York Times story from a year ago, the Obama campaign dis-invited Wright from delivering a public invocation at Obama&#039;s candidacy announcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama Knew of Pastor’s Sermons<br />
By Don | March 15, 2008<br />
Sen. Barack Obama apparently was well aware of Rev. Jeremiah Wright&#8217;s statements long before they became publc.<br />
Obama told CNN that he &#8220;didn&#8217;t know about all these statements. I knew about one or two of these statements that had been made. One or two statements would not lead me to distance myself from either my church or my pastor. &#8230; If I had thought that was the tenor or tone on an ongoing basis, then yes, I don&#8217;t think it would have been reflective of my values.&#8221;<br />
But according to a New York Times story from a year ago, the Obama campaign dis-invited Wright from delivering a public invocation at Obama&#8217;s candidacy announcement.</p>
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		<title>By: TomB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Media, be fair. We could also scrutinize McCain’s association with other so-called “radical” pastors on the right such as Hagee and Rod Parsley.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Yea Pearl. And when McCain says that he never heard those men say those things because he was &lt;b&gt;never a member of the congregation&lt;/b&gt;, and, if he had heard them, he would have immediately dissociated himself with them, as he did with Hagee, the media can then be fair and ask Obama, &quot;what the hell was your excuse putting up with this guy for TWENTY YEARS!?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Media, be fair. We could also scrutinize McCain’s association with other so-called “radical” pastors on the right such as Hagee and Rod Parsley.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yea Pearl. And when McCain says that he never heard those men say those things because he was <b>never a member of the congregation</b>, and, if he had heard them, he would have immediately dissociated himself with them, as he did with Hagee, the media can then be fair and ask Obama, &#8220;what the hell was your excuse putting up with this guy for TWENTY YEARS!?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Young Politician</title>
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		<dc:creator>Young Politician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all know that the media is biased in favor of the democrats, especially Barack Obama. 
http://young-politician.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know that the media is biased in favor of the democrats, especially Barack Obama.<br />
<a href="http://young-politician.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://young-politician.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: SPQR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPQR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deb, you seem to not want to talk about the real issue here - and instead want to substitute one that is more convenient for you.

Its not a very convincing rhetorical exercise in this crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb, you seem to not want to talk about the real issue here &#8211; and instead want to substitute one that is more convenient for you.</p>
<p>Its not a very convincing rhetorical exercise in this crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Show me &lt;b&gt;any&lt;/b&gt; instance in this thread and others, Deb, where the demand was made that this preacher, or any other preacher, be shut down and prohibited from speaking his mind.

Your point is ludicrous and irrelevant to this very important situation.

It is all about the judgment of a potential president.  We have scarcely a record upon which to assess this man.  He, himself, insists that we can trust his judgment.  I&#039;ll go one better.

If he can attend a church for 20 years and be ignorant of the core radicalism found therein, how in hell can we trust that he&#039;ll grasp the nuances of congressional and foreign relations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Show me <b>any</b> instance in this thread and others, Deb, where the demand was made that this preacher, or any other preacher, be shut down and prohibited from speaking his mind.</p>
<p>Your point is ludicrous and irrelevant to this very important situation.</p>
<p>It is all about the judgment of a potential president.  We have scarcely a record upon which to assess this man.  He, himself, insists that we can trust his judgment.  I&#8217;ll go one better.</p>
<p>If he can attend a church for 20 years and be ignorant of the core radicalism found therein, how in hell can we trust that he&#8217;ll grasp the nuances of congressional and foreign relations?</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to know if this is still America? A man that actually served in a war and has served Americans that are largely marginalized or forgotten spoke in a sermon about the fact that our ham handed diplomacy as well as our failure to see the world&#039;s struggling people and their issues as possibly affecting us somehow is not a case of what we have wrought clobbering us. 

To act as if this country cares for its poor and even now its middle class is to be disingenuous. You only have to recall the images of American citizens trapped in the Superdome in New Orleans to realize that some black people have a right o be angry with and suspicious of the government.

I have a beloved and well learned Sunday School teacher that served in Korea, was wounded, and loathes the President. He speaks about his views openly and firmly. Those people who support Senator Clinton or President Bush wait for the lesson to begin because they feel that as an American who spilled his blood for this country my teacher has the right to complain about what he sees as Senator Clinton&#039;s and President Bush&#039;s failures are toward black people here. 


I think that they have the right to say whatever they want. Now, deciding if they are wrong is a whole other concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to know if this is still America? A man that actually served in a war and has served Americans that are largely marginalized or forgotten spoke in a sermon about the fact that our ham handed diplomacy as well as our failure to see the world&#8217;s struggling people and their issues as possibly affecting us somehow is not a case of what we have wrought clobbering us. </p>
<p>To act as if this country cares for its poor and even now its middle class is to be disingenuous. You only have to recall the images of American citizens trapped in the Superdome in New Orleans to realize that some black people have a right o be angry with and suspicious of the government.</p>
<p>I have a beloved and well learned Sunday School teacher that served in Korea, was wounded, and loathes the President. He speaks about his views openly and firmly. Those people who support Senator Clinton or President Bush wait for the lesson to begin because they feel that as an American who spilled his blood for this country my teacher has the right to complain about what he sees as Senator Clinton&#8217;s and President Bush&#8217;s failures are toward black people here. </p>
<p>I think that they have the right to say whatever they want. Now, deciding if they are wrong is a whole other concern.</p>
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