William F. Buckley Jr., R.I.P.
[Guest post by Jack Dunphy]
William F. Buckley, founder of National Review magazine and godfather of the modern conservative movement, has passed away at his home in Stamford, Conn. He was 82.
It was Buckley’s magazine that helped guide me away from the misguided liberalism of my youth (explained in NRO columns here and here). I never met him, but I’m proud to be associated, however tangentially, with the organization created and nurtured through the years by this remarkable man. Resquiat in pace.
–Jack Dunphy
It is disappointing to see National Review move further away from Conservative principles towards a publication which is ideologically all over the place.
I guess winning elections was more important than advancing ideals.
RIP Mr Buckley.
syn (eb1ff1) — 2/27/2008 @ 9:25 amA great man and a great voice, he put into prose the intellectual basis and development of conservatism. We are all better off from his work.
Dana (3e4784) — 2/27/2008 @ 10:04 amAn end to an era.
We can only hope that someone with the same intellectual honesty and vigor can step forward to carry on his work.
RIP.
Another Drew (f9dd2c) — 2/27/2008 @ 10:21 amI’m a die-hard liberal in a lot of ways, but I always had a great deal of respect for Mr. Buckley. He was a smart man, he conducted himself as a gentleman, and he truly believed in the contest of ideas.
His death is America’s loss.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 2/27/2008 @ 10:33 amHe optimally advocated the furtherance of both the political and linguistic spheres, and it was entirely appropriate that he was (as NRO reports)laboring even up to the last moment.
(To use language in the way he might have used)
He advanced political life and the English language, and fittingly died in harness. Vale!
kishnevi (e4fabe) — 2/27/2008 @ 11:48 am… and just think, English was the third language he learned – after Spanish & French … no wonder he talked funny
quasimodo (edc74e) — 2/27/2008 @ 12:07 pmCivilization has lost a friend.
htom (412a17) — 2/27/2008 @ 12:47 pmPrecisely and for many reasons.
I will miss him tremendously, his warmth, his irreverence, his profound knowledge, his rapier wit. How I loved Firing Line!
His beloved wife, Pat, died just last Spring.
RIP, Mr. Buckley.
EHeavenlyGads (eba7dd) — 2/27/2008 @ 1:20 pmOne of the greats.
Justin Levine (b5c8e2) — 2/27/2008 @ 1:35 pmCome to think of it, Buckley and Evel Knievel within one year? Don’t know how much more battering my childhood hopes for civilization can take…
Justin Levine (b5c8e2) — 2/27/2008 @ 1:38 pmI will never forget his eloquent defense of the Panama Canal treaty, the numerous Firing Line confrontations with Christopher Hitchens and his heartfelt eulogy for Allard Lowenstein. Buckley wrestled with his own mortality and faith in public. Not many people do that.
steve (d8c189) — 2/27/2008 @ 1:49 pmThe National Review’s tribute to Pat Buckley was very moving. Their marriage was what first came to mind when I read this morning’s news. I’m going to pick up his God and Man at Yale, along with Cancel Your Own Goddam Subscription. <– Should be pure Buckley, with a twist of lemon.
Vermont Neighbor (c6313b) — 2/27/2008 @ 2:42 pmI attended a speech he gave at my university in the early 70s. Afterwards he took questions from hostile students and hostile faculty. He easily and politely disarmed them all. He was the smartest and best informed person in the room by a wide, wide margin.
Perfect Sense (b6ec8c) — 2/27/2008 @ 4:47 pmIts a good thing your conversion via the national review didn’t come from its earlier, anti-democracy, white supremacist, days:
http://www.amren.com/ar/2000/09/#cover
stef (d10c75) — 2/27/2008 @ 5:01 pmDarn it, stef, I’m agreeing with you tonight. May William F. Buckley rest in peace but he had no credibility with me. Reagan did.
nk (669aab) — 2/27/2008 @ 5:09 pmI fucking knew that one of the moonbats would take the occasion of his passing to call him a white supremacist racist. I did not figure stef to be the type to piss on a fresh grave.
JD (868cea) — 2/27/2008 @ 5:37 pmI would like to thank mixedfriends.com for bringing a very close friend from 17 years ago. I never had the chance to express how I really felt. I had always watched her from afar, but due to Mutual friends it wouldn’t be right, but now we are planning to meet for new years eve. We have exchanged dozens of e-mails and phone calls. She now knows how I felt for her 17 years ago, And our future is as bright as ever.
Jessie (ec24f7) — 2/27/2008 @ 5:50 pmJD #16,
Buckley’s proposal that people with AIDS should have the fact tattooed on their behinds was not made in his teens. He said it in his sixties.
nk (669aab) — 2/27/2008 @ 6:18 pmFiring Line was irreplaceable. It’s like something from a lost civilization now.
“Equating liberalism with communism is McCarthyism. Equating communism with liberalism is, well, liberalism.” – WFB
Glen Wishard (b1987d) — 2/27/2008 @ 8:58 pmNK and Stef. Wow! I went to Stef’s link and was really shocked by what was there. Had no idea. It does kind of throw ice water on the common claim that the conservatives were morally superior to the Southern Dems of the time in regards to civil rights and were without any bias. (I realize that is a little bombastic but it is what is thrown out in many arguments regarding passage of civil rights and where the GOP or Dems stood. Much more complicated than many want to acknowledge)
voiceofreason2 (b7ee40) — 2/27/2008 @ 9:06 pmBTW – All you eschaton-immanentizing ankle-biters who have been out trawling for dirt, be advised (as if it will do you any good) that Buckley gave an extended and repeated forum to people like Jesse Jackson, and he gave a forum to “progressives” like Mark Green who otherwise couldn’t have gotten on television in those days if they’d had a planeful of hostages.
Glen Wishard (b1987d) — 2/27/2008 @ 9:15 pm#21
voiceofreason2 (b7ee40) — 2/27/2008 @ 9:28 pmBuckley was human. It is obvious that he changed some view over time. Credit to him for being an adult.
But painting a GOP version of Camelot re civil rights in the 50’s and 60’s is just as disingenuous as the Camelot picture of the Kennedy administration. The link Stef pointed out kind of highlights that.
voiceofreason2 –
Perhaps you are right, but both him and yourself should hang your heads in shame.
The man isn’t cold yet– anyone with a hint of decency would have the moral holding to hold his tongue.
Try to be decent humans, for a week at least.
Foxfier (74f1c8) — 2/27/2008 @ 9:35 pmfoxfier,
I have nothing to hang my head in shame about. Did I denigrate or insult the memory of buckley? No, I simply commented on the article Stef pointed out.
Sanctimony doesn’t wear well on you.
voiceofreason2 (b7ee40) — 2/27/2008 @ 9:39 pmYou help drag a good man’s name through the mud on the day of his death, and start calling me names?
You are disgusting.
Foxfier (74f1c8) — 2/27/2008 @ 11:34 pm“Had no idea. It does kind of throw ice water on the common claim that the conservatives were morally superior to the Southern Dems of the time in regards to civil rights and were without any bias.”
On civil rights, there were conservatives and liberals. And there are Democrats and Republicans. There were conservatives in both parties and liberals in both parties.
stef (de7003) — 2/28/2008 @ 5:27 amI can only think what W.F. Buckley would say to the likes of Stef.
Show of hand, who thinks it would be like his response to Vidal’s calling him a Nazi?
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 2/28/2008 @ 6:50 amScott – WFB would have been a gentleman. Since he was a bigger man than I, and in a desire to be nice as directed by Patterico, I will not comment, other than to note that stef, and apparently VOR, are disgusting.
JD (75f5c3) — 2/28/2008 @ 7:15 amJD,
Considering your comments in #16 and your frequent name calling and cursing in other threads I think that you get a free pass from Patterico to be as obnoxious as you like. Patterico may disagree but that is my impression.
Those were Buckley’s words in the link not mine or Stef’s — why they can’t be mentioned is curious.
voiceofreason2 (590c85) — 2/28/2008 @ 7:22 am“Those were Buckley’s words in the link not mine or Stef’s — why they can’t be mentioned is curious.”
The white supremacist editorial entitled “Why the South Must Prevail” was unsigned. Attribute it to the National Review, not WFB specifically.
Buckley did under his name write a 1969 column entitled “On Negro Inferiority.” But it doesn’t appear to be part of the National Review’s online archive.
stef (513533) — 2/28/2008 @ 7:29 amStef,
voiceofreason2 (590c85) — 2/28/2008 @ 7:51 amCopy and thanks.
stef and voiceofreason 2, as typical liberals, you represent your views and the Democratic Party well. Casting smears against a man on the day of his death in a thread mourning his passing will be well-received over at Kos or HP. Maybe you should take your discussion there. Funny how you don’t see that stuff at the major conservative sites when a liberal passes.
The title says it best. William F. Buckley Jr., R.I.P.
Stashiu3 (c8e98a) — 2/28/2008 @ 8:21 amI think when a public figure dies, it’s not cruel or unacceptable to point out troublesome facts from said person’s career.
In short, I don’t expect those I admire to be without flaws. I think WFB would happily defend and articulate any conflicts thrown his way as he loved a good scuffle.
There’s no question a few of his views were less than sympathetic… and not strictly in the conservative sense. I admire his work and legacy, but admit there are areas with which I don’t agree. Stef simply pointed this out with a link. Buckley would be the last to be offended by this. He was made of sterner stuff.
Vermont Neighbor (c6313b) — 2/28/2008 @ 9:12 am“Casting smears against a man on the day of his death in a thread mourning his passing will be well-received over at Kos or HP. Maybe you should take your discussion there. Funny how you don’t see that stuff at the major conservative sites when a liberal passes.”
– Stashiu3
For the record, I’m too young to know anything about William F. Buckley: his life, his work, his beliefs…
… but Holy Cow, guys. Hasn’t anyone here read Speaker for the Dead? (Somebody mentioned Orson Scott Card recently; in the Oscar post, I think)
An ideal eulogy (in my eyes) takes the good with the bad, giving a complete picture of the life of the individual in question. If Buckley made those remarks, well, it’s worth mentioning them as one of his personal aspects (whether or not it sits well with his supporters). Neither stef nor VOR2 went out of their way to “piss on Buckley’s grave” (as a few of you so elegantly put it): they simply mentioned an aspect of his life that hadn’t yet been mentioned (and that is, in all honesty, worth mentioning).
This doesn’t have to be an echo-chamber, where we all bow our heads and utter some platitude of disingenuous regret at the passing of a man we didn’t even know (as would be the case if I were to say anything on that topic). Nor do we have to pretend to agree with everything Buckley said, to advocate all the views he espoused, in order to honor his memory as… whatever he was. A skilled orator, an elaborator of conservative tenets.
None of you subscribe to “the Inferiority of the Negro” (I assume), so why do you take offense when it is mentioned as a dark mark on the man’s record?
Leviticus (ed6d31) — 2/28/2008 @ 9:21 amNo question. Doing it on the day he died in the thread to mourn him… tacky at best. I agree Buckley wouldn’t have been offended, probably amused that they proved some of his points about liberals.
I wasn’t amused.
Stashiu3 (c8e98a) — 2/28/2008 @ 9:26 amNot just stef and VOR2 but me too. I detest detached ideology.
Reagan was a genuine conservative but also a genuine kind, fair and compassionate man. He would give you the shirt off his back but then sit down, naked from the waist up, and order the bombing of Libya and sign a bill cutting off your welfare benefits. Not because of some abstract political philosophy but out of genuine love for his country and her people, doing what he thought was best. (The Shrub is mostly like that, too. I wonder what our next President will be like.)
nk (669aab) — 2/28/2008 @ 9:32 amThis word you use, “eulogy”… I do not think it means what you think it means.
Just sayin’
Stashiu3 (c8e98a) — 2/28/2008 @ 9:39 amNone of you subscribe to “the Inferiority of the Negro” (I assume)
It’s the law of the land, Leviticus. There is no other reason for race-based affirmative action.
nk (669aab) — 2/28/2008 @ 9:40 amAn honest biography is perfectly fine. Just having some basic decency and respect isn’t too much to ask. Having a discussion about his character and ideas is a great idea. Start a thread called, “William F. Buckley – What Was Right and What Was Wrong” or somesuch. If not here, do it on your own blog. Doing it on the “William F. Buckly – R.I.P.” thread…
Stashiu3 (c8e98a) — 2/28/2008 @ 9:47 amWilliam F. Buckley would have said: “The dead don’t care”.
nk (669aab) — 2/28/2008 @ 10:04 amProbably adding, “But funerals and eulogies are for the living.”
The fact that the dead don’t care doesn’t mean that it’s ok to say whatever you like about them. If CNN or Fox News bashes Jimmy Carter at his passing, I’ll be one of the first to say it’s wrong. Same thing if it happens here. Showing respect is the right thing to do, even if it means being silent.
It’s not like anyone is calling for a permanent ban on criticism (religion of peace, anyone?).
Stashiu3 (c8e98a) — 2/28/2008 @ 10:19 amHey, the dead don’t care– so let’s all go help those unspeakables that protest at the funerals of soldiers and rape/murder victims, eh?
Difference in degree, not in kind.
Foxfier (74f1c8) — 2/28/2008 @ 12:21 pm“It’s the law of the land, Leviticus. There is no other reason for race-based affirmative action.”
-nk
Some (not necessarily me – I haven’t thought about it enough) might argue that affirmative action is designed to help groups that have been institutionally handicapped; Buckley seems to be arguing that these same groups are inherently handicapped. I think there’s room for an interpretation of affirmative action that doesn’t assume a closet-racist government.
“(The Shrub is mostly like that, too. I wonder what our next President will be like.)”
-nk
I actually believe that… I just really, really disagree with the way he’s gone about implementing his policies (even if he thinks that they’re for the good of the country).
Stashiu (in re: the meaning of “eulogy”),
It means what it means, and I knew what I meant when I wrote it. That’s why I prefaced it with “ideal (in my eyes)” and made an allusion to Speaker for the Dead (which may be a little obscure, but is nevertheless appropriate to the content of my post).
“Just having some basic decency and respect isn’t too much to ask. Having a discussion about his character and ideas is a great idea”
– Stashiu3
Where do you draw the line between “having basic decency” and “not bringing up touchy topics because someone will decry you as insensitive”? As far as I can tell “Having a discussion about [William F. Buckley’s] character and ideas” is exactly what stef and VOR2 were trying to do.
Leviticus (43095b) — 2/28/2008 @ 12:22 pm“If CNN or Fox News bashes Jimmy Carter at his passing, I’ll be one of the first to say it’s wrong.”
-Stashiu3
“Bashes” him for what? Nobody’s “bashing” WFB with anything but his own words.
I mean, was it wrong of people to mention Watergate as part of Nixon’s legacy when he died? Will it be wrong of people to mention Monica Lewinsky as part of Bill Clinton’s legacy when he dies? It’s not “bashing”: it’s just history.
Leviticus (43095b) — 2/28/2008 @ 12:25 pmFor being an anti-semitic nancy-boy?
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 2/28/2008 @ 12:27 pmThank you for illustrating what real bashing looks like, Scott. Perfect timing. If stef had dropped in and called Buckley a “racist sonofabitch”, then I wouldn’t be arguing with Stashiu right now.
Leviticus (43095b) — 2/28/2008 @ 12:40 pmLeviticus,
As I said, that would be fine on a thread for that purpose. If you choose to ignore that point, so be it. On this thread, it’s disrespectful and unwarranted. I think you know that I’m not one of those “hypersensitive” folks who faints at a cross word. I can give as good as I get. There’s a big difference between being insensitive and being disrespectful and stef’s original quote wasn’t about the GOP in general, it was about Buckley (even though the author is actually anonymous as stef later clarified.) The unnecessary introduction of it into this thread is what led to that oh-so-enlightening exchange with vor2 into the GOP’s racist roots (no pun intended).
Ignore that if you wish, I’ve said my bit. Rehashing it over and over is useless.
William F. Buckley Jr., R.I.P.
Stashiu3 (c8e98a) — 2/28/2008 @ 12:46 pm“If stef had dropped in and called Buckley a “racist sonofabitch”, then I wouldn’t be arguing with Stashiu right now.”
I think he’s a stalwart of the conservative movement.
stef (861715) — 2/28/2008 @ 12:54 pmThat type of remark is perfect… sounds respectful as long as you don’t clarify what you think of the conservative movement. Most people won’t even catch it and those that do will still appreciate the classiness shown.
Stashiu3 (c8e98a) — 2/28/2008 @ 1:01 pmStashiu3 – Beat your head against a wall. It will hurt less, and be more effective. Class and decency cannot be taught.
JD (75f5c3) — 2/28/2008 @ 1:02 pmSure it can, just takes longer online. 🙂
Stashiu3 (c8e98a) — 2/28/2008 @ 1:07 pmYou’re quite right.
I should have merely called him an anti-semite.
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 2/28/2008 @ 1:09 pmStef:
Nor will you find this article anywhere, but you will find several references online (on either far-left or white supremacist websites) claiming that Buckley’s syndicated column on April 8, 1969 was entitled “On Negro Inferiority” – which WFB is assumed to have championed, of course.
This newspaper archive shows Buckley’s column for April 8th, 1969, entitled “If There’s a Draft, There Must Be Draftees.”
Cancel your own goddamn subscription.
Glen Wishard (b1987d) — 2/28/2008 @ 1:22 pmKeith Olbermann’s “Eulogy” of William F Buckley
Last night, I joined the thousands of TV viewers around the country who watch Keith Olbermann’s “Countdown” on MSNBC. Krazy Keith’s show is consistently an hour of angrily bashing President Bush, Republicans and conservatives in general. His guests and correspondents are routinely liberal. There are no debates, no disagreements, just KKO and his pals, people like Richard Wolffe, Rachel Maddow (Air America)and Jonathan Alter. Last night, Keith outdid himself and reached a new low.
While announcing the death of conservative icon William F Buckley, Olbermann took the opportunity to inform his viewers that:
Buckley’s opinions were “indefensibly and gloriously wrong”.
As a student, Buckley had opposed World War Two.
He had defended Sen. Joe McCarthy.
He once suggested that AIDS patients be tattooed.
He once “ruminated” about denying the vote to the uneducated.
Keith, that was completely “klassless”. Why didn’t you raise a glass to cheer the death of Buckley while you were at it? Not that I was surprised. I am used to the far left making those kinds of comments about conservatives who have just died. I remember when Reagan died, and many on the left were celebrating the “fact that Reagan was burning in Hell”. Just recently, it was reported that Nancy Reagan had suffered a fall in her home. Adriana Huffington’s blog, “The Huffington Post”, was filled with entries from her readership insulting the former First Lady and wishing her nothing but the worst.
But that’s not all. Toward the end of the show, KKO presented his “Worst Persons in the World”. (Surprisingly, Bill O’Reilly wasn’t among the finalists last night.) Who got the Gold Medal? John McCain. Why? Because, in the wake of the Bill Cunningham rant in Cincinnati, McCain had stated that he didn’t know Cunningham, nor had he ever met him. Cunningham has stated that he met McCain on a couple of occasions at political events. At that, the McCain campaign backtracked, stating that it was possible that the two had met at some time. So for that, John McCain was the Worst Person in the World? I think it is fair to say that when a major political figure attends political events, he/she shakes hands with a lot of people that they never see again. The person who shakes hands with the pol will remember the meeting. The pol forgets it.
As a conservative, there are a lot of things about McCain that I don’t care for. He is not the person I had hoped would win the nomination. As a presidential candidate, he has to accept the barbs, just as I have pointed out for Sen Clinton. But just to nitpick, I would like to suggest that before Olbermann calls someone like McCain (whose shoes he couldn’t shine) the “Worst Person in the World”, he might want to accumulate a resume similar to McCain’s in the service of his country. I don’t need to repeat the senator’s military record; it is known to all. On the other hand, Mr Olbermann’s military record is not known to all-because he doesn’t have one.
gary fouse
fouse, gary c (5a08be) — 2/28/2008 @ 8:41 pmfousesquawk
I don’t see how what he wrote forty years ago has any relevance. Of course, it doesn’t, but that’s beside the point for people like stef.
chaos (9c54c6) — 2/28/2008 @ 9:01 pmRelevance? Since when does mud need to have relevance?
It’s so much more fun to piss on someone’s grave, then dance on it– you get all the mud you want!
Foxfier (74f1c8) — 2/28/2008 @ 10:20 pmChaos,
At what point in years does a person’s actions stop mattering? Shouldn’t you be applying the same standard to Democrats like Bill Clinton?
Stef,
voiceofreason2 (b1499c) — 2/29/2008 @ 2:37 amConsidering how much you are “in mourning” for Buckley it would seem that you could honor his memory by showing a little more eloquence with the written word than your cursing and ranting to date.
Stef,
Re #57. Sorry I meant Foxfier not you in that comment.
voiceofreason2 (b1499c) — 2/29/2008 @ 2:48 amvoiceofreason2 —
When you are standing at their MEMORIAL, it matters.
Go slime folks on your own time, and leave the mourners in peace.
Also: “cursing and ranting”? Ah, so saying you are scum for insulting the dead at their memorial is both a cruse and a rant? I see…. Is this kind of like where it’s racism to care if folks are Islamic-sounding?
Foxfier (74f1c8) — 2/29/2008 @ 3:09 amFoxfier,
You are just another drama queen in the blogosphere. Grow up and quickly, please.
voiceofreason2 (b1499c) — 2/29/2008 @ 4:18 amI enjoyed yesterday’s WSJ compilation of some of Buckley’s quips and exerpts, and William McGurn’s tribute to his friend in today’s edition was poignant and such a lovely start to the day.
Then I had the pleasure of running across Peggy Noonan’s own tribute here.
There is good and bad in each and every one of us on this planet. Buckley was human also. But as one commenter on PJM’s tribute by Roger Kimball so succintly added, [He was] “A great mind tethered to an even greater soul. May we all in our less significant ways do him honor by keeping the flame of liberty and morality alive for posterity. I will miss him and his relish for life as you said.”
As I crank down the backstay this afternoon, I will hoist a nip to a most remarkable man, and feel grateful to have lived in his time.
EHeavenlyGads (eba7dd) — 2/29/2008 @ 5:56 amYes, Foxifier. VOR gets upset when people curse and rant when they are wrongly accused of being racists, or when they see someone pissing on the grave of the deceased, on the day they died.
JD (75f5c3) — 2/29/2008 @ 7:02 amJD, I’d recommend that you start doing crossword puzzles. It may help extend your vocabulary and help you get over the need to include curse words in even your written thoughts….
voiceofreason2 (10af7e) — 2/29/2008 @ 7:13 amI always appreciated that Buckley had liberal guests on “Firing Line” when I was young, back int he 60s and 70s. His show was the ONLY place to see liberals on TV in America in my lifetime, so I thank him for that.
I do not thank him for working to keep me a third class citizen as a gay American. He regularly used homophobic slurs to dehumanize gay men, and he worked to get an amendment in our U.S. Constitution which would forever enshinre my lower status as a third class citizen.
I do thank him for introducing me to many good polysyllabic words.
Hephaestion (ebefbc) — 2/29/2008 @ 7:15 amWhat? The only place? Drivel… there have been liberals on TV throughout that time and they dominate now, so unless you’re dead, this is still your lifetime.
What legislative office did he hold again? And what homophobic slurs to dehumanize gays? Never mind, it’s crap anyway. Maybe you enjoy being a victim, but you have just as much opportunity to influence legistlation and public opinion as Buckley did, stop whining and do it. “Help! Help! I’m being oppressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!!” You’re just as bad as stef and vor2, only they didn’t try to bulletproof themselves as victims. You’re a gay man… so what? To me, that’s just one more guy I don’t have to worry about hitting on my daughters. Otherwise, you’re no different than any other liberal with no respect.
Stashiu3 (c8e98a) — 2/29/2008 @ 8:11 am“I think he’s a stalwart of the conservative movement.”
-stef
Way to throw fuel on the fire, stef. I’m over here trying to argue that you’re raising a valid point and you go and take an unwarranted jab at an entire group.
Leviticus (b987b0) — 2/29/2008 @ 8:30 amOlbermann notwithstanding, we’re still waiting to be offended over here at cat manor. Although Hephaestion would have every reason to feel offense at anti-gay remarks. No one wants to be attacked for who they are.
Vermont Neighbor (c6313b) — 2/29/2008 @ 9:47 amVermont Neighbor,
I would agree there is cause for being offended if 1) he could show these “dehumanizing” remarks, 2) brought them up in an appropriate thread, and 3) I cared one whit for whining about something that is essentially Free Speech. I am allowed (although not inclined) to make any anti-homosexual remark I choose as long as it doesn’t infringe on someone else’s rights (i.e. slander, incitement of violence, etc…) He is allowed to be offended and fire back. Bringing it up in a memorial thread is offensive to me, so I fire back. He wants to be a victim, his problem.
Stashiu3 (c8e98a) — 2/29/2008 @ 10:03 amVOR – Yup, that is all I do. Fuck. Damn. Shit. Cock. Balls. That does not make it any less repugnant that you chose to piss on Buckley’s grave the very day that he passed away. It is a convenient diversionary tactic for you.
JD (75f5c3) — 2/29/2008 @ 10:09 amHee Hee, JD said “Balls”!
Leviticus (43095b) — 2/29/2008 @ 1:12 pmHeh, Leviticus said “Balls”. 😉
Stashiu3 (c8e98a) — 2/29/2008 @ 2:18 pmJD,
You remind me of Festus from Gunsmoke. He is a little slow and does some dumb things sometimes but Marshall Dillon never holds him accountable except for the occasional “now Festus”.
Nice to see the language you will expose your two children to… public school teachers will thank you profusely.
voiceofreason2 (23a09c) — 2/29/2008 @ 8:52 pmVOR – What in the sam hell gives you the idea that I would speak like that to my daughter, or my soon to be born second daughter? I can assure you this, my daughters will learn to not piss on people’s graves. And, we are more of a private school kind of family. Racist.
JD (e15e05) — 2/29/2008 @ 9:25 pmvoiceofreason2 — you really are the sort of scum who would go to a funeral and speak ill of the dead man, in front of his friends and family.
You are less than slime, less than dirt.
You are a disgusting example of what we must allow, lest free speech be slighted– yet we don’t have to give you any respect.
The words you vomit out mean nothing. We know you are a gross distortion of a good thing, and will think of you as such.
You do nothing but harm to the positions you claim.
Why don’t you go climb back into the boil you were birthed from, and let decent people morn the dead?
Foxfier (74f1c8) — 3/1/2008 @ 1:34 am