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		<title>By: krazy kagu</title>
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		<dc:creator>krazy kagu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who will they select DARTH SIDIOUS or DARTH VADER?</description>
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		<title>By: fouse, gary c</title>
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		<dc:creator>fouse, gary c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This past weekend, I had the &quot;opportunity&quot; to watch two rallies on TV. One was a rally in East LA for Hillary Clinton. What was so striking about this one was that on the stage with her was virtually every rotten politician that has run California into the mud in recent years. There was LA Mayor, Tony Villaraigosa (her national campaign co-chair) fresh off his revealed love affair with Telemundo reporter, Mirthala Salinas. There was State Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez, under a very dark cloud for his extravagant travels around the world on various boondoggles. There was Maxine Waters, Congresswoman from the LA area and one of the more obnoxious members of Congress. Left-wing activist Ron Dellums, former congressman and now mayor of Oakland, presiding over one of the nation&#039;s worst murder rates was there as well. State political hack Gloria Molina was there-even drawing some well-deserved boos when her name was mentioned. Worst of all, ex-governor Gray Davis was there. This was the guy who was recalled by voters a few years back after he nearly bankrupted the state with his liberal, out of control spending. (Of course, now Governor Schwarzenegger is carrying on the grand tradition.)

Then there was Hillary, who gave a long &quot;stemwinder&quot; promising everything from free government cheese to a cure for restless leg syndrome. She was at her oratorical worst, loud and shrill-but the crowd loved it.

Meanwhile, back in Boston, Teddy Kennedy, &quot;fresh&quot; from his trip to the West Coast, presided over a campaign rally for Barack Obama. His speech began at 11pm (and you know what that means.) Yes, Teddy was pretty much feeling no pain as he rambled on about his trip out west. What was really cool was how he kept referring to Obama as Deval Patrick (the African-American governor of Massachusetts), who was also on stage. I counted at least 3 times Kennedy used Patrick&#039;s name in referring to Obama. In the crowd behind Kennedy were 3 or 4 black guys who cracked up every time he did that. At least he didn&#039;t call him Osama bin Laden. 

In the case of the LA rally, one would have thought that any sensible voter would have taken one look at the rogue&#039;s gallery on stage with Clinton and gone straight out to vote for Obama. Not a chance. Hillary carried California comfortably, which pretty much shows you in whose hands this state lies. 

In the case of Massachusetts, the endorsements of Kennedy, Patrick and John Kerry were not enough to give the state to Obama. But hey, when you have a drunk leading your pep rally, you can&#039;t expect great results.

posted by Gary Fouse @ 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This past weekend, I had the &#8220;opportunity&#8221; to watch two rallies on TV. One was a rally in East LA for Hillary Clinton. What was so striking about this one was that on the stage with her was virtually every rotten politician that has run California into the mud in recent years. There was LA Mayor, Tony Villaraigosa (her national campaign co-chair) fresh off his revealed love affair with Telemundo reporter, Mirthala Salinas. There was State Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez, under a very dark cloud for his extravagant travels around the world on various boondoggles. There was Maxine Waters, Congresswoman from the LA area and one of the more obnoxious members of Congress. Left-wing activist Ron Dellums, former congressman and now mayor of Oakland, presiding over one of the nation&#8217;s worst murder rates was there as well. State political hack Gloria Molina was there-even drawing some well-deserved boos when her name was mentioned. Worst of all, ex-governor Gray Davis was there. This was the guy who was recalled by voters a few years back after he nearly bankrupted the state with his liberal, out of control spending. (Of course, now Governor Schwarzenegger is carrying on the grand tradition.)</p>
<p>Then there was Hillary, who gave a long &#8220;stemwinder&#8221; promising everything from free government cheese to a cure for restless leg syndrome. She was at her oratorical worst, loud and shrill-but the crowd loved it.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, back in Boston, Teddy Kennedy, &#8220;fresh&#8221; from his trip to the West Coast, presided over a campaign rally for Barack Obama. His speech began at 11pm (and you know what that means.) Yes, Teddy was pretty much feeling no pain as he rambled on about his trip out west. What was really cool was how he kept referring to Obama as Deval Patrick (the African-American governor of Massachusetts), who was also on stage. I counted at least 3 times Kennedy used Patrick&#8217;s name in referring to Obama. In the crowd behind Kennedy were 3 or 4 black guys who cracked up every time he did that. At least he didn&#8217;t call him Osama bin Laden. </p>
<p>In the case of the LA rally, one would have thought that any sensible voter would have taken one look at the rogue&#8217;s gallery on stage with Clinton and gone straight out to vote for Obama. Not a chance. Hillary carried California comfortably, which pretty much shows you in whose hands this state lies. </p>
<p>In the case of Massachusetts, the endorsements of Kennedy, Patrick and John Kerry were not enough to give the state to Obama. But hey, when you have a drunk leading your pep rally, you can&#8217;t expect great results.</p>
<p>posted by Gary Fouse @<br />
fousesquawk</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democratic race is certainly getting interesting.</description>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ras, &lt;blockquote&gt;[Jindal has more exec experience by far than Obama, so how come Jindal needs more and Obama gets a pass? Just askin’]&lt;/blockquote&gt; Jindal has just now taken his seat as LA governor. It would be bad form to leave now, and staying there gives him plenty of opportunity to establish his executive bona fides for future races in his own right. He&#039;s got a long career ahead of him and it wouldn&#039;t do him any good to jump onto McCain&#039;s coattails at this point. It&#039;s in his own interest to stay where he is.

WLS, &lt;blockquote&gt;And, I just don’t see the Clintons offering the slot to Obama given the number of former Clinton supporters that have lined up and endorsed him. In the Clintonian world they are traitors. By bringing Obama into the fold via a VP slot, they would be suggesting to all those former supporters that there is no price to pay.&lt;/blockquote&gt; There&#039;s also the fact that Obama outshines Hillary, and the last thing she wants is to have her cult of personality diluted by another man. And then there&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=10994#comments&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ras,<br />
<blockquote>[Jindal has more exec experience by far than Obama, so how come Jindal needs more and Obama gets a pass? Just askin’]</p></blockquote>
<p> Jindal has just now taken his seat as LA governor. It would be bad form to leave now, and staying there gives him plenty of opportunity to establish his executive bona fides for future races in his own right. He&#8217;s got a long career ahead of him and it wouldn&#8217;t do him any good to jump onto McCain&#8217;s coattails at this point. It&#8217;s in his own interest to stay where he is.</p>
<p>WLS,<br />
<blockquote>And, I just don’t see the Clintons offering the slot to Obama given the number of former Clinton supporters that have lined up and endorsed him. In the Clintonian world they are traitors. By bringing Obama into the fold via a VP slot, they would be suggesting to all those former supporters that there is no price to pay.</p></blockquote>
<p> There&#8217;s also the fact that Obama outshines Hillary, and the last thing she wants is to have her cult of personality diluted by another man. And then there&#8217;s <a href="http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=10994#comments" title="" rel="nofollow">this.</a></p>
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		<title>By: J. Peden</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Peden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;For Democrats, this is a good thing as the super delegates will decide who is the better candidate.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah - hoo-ray, Head Starters, let&#039;s all sing the &lt;i&gt;Idiot Wind&lt;/i&gt; song:

Now everything&#039;s a little upside down
As a matter of fact the wheels have stopped
What&#039;s good is bad, what&#039;s bad is good
You find out when you reach the top
You&#039;re on the bottommmmmm...


Ah, Progressivism at its finest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For Democrats, this is a good thing as the super delegates will decide who is the better candidate.</i></p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; hoo-ray, Head Starters, let&#8217;s all sing the <i>Idiot Wind</i> song:</p>
<p>Now everything&#8217;s a little upside down<br />
As a matter of fact the wheels have stopped<br />
What&#8217;s good is bad, what&#8217;s bad is good<br />
You find out when you reach the top<br />
You&#8217;re on the bottommmmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>Ah, Progressivism at its finest!</p>
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		<title>By: Horatio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horatio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the Michael Steele option, regardless of the Democrat nominee</description>
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		<title>By: WLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the question of whether Obama would accept a VP nod if offered by Clinton, I have a two word response:  Al Gore.

Remember, he&#039;s an Obama supporter.  His political career and path to the Presidence were wrecked by the Clintons.

And, I just don&#039;t see the Clintons offering the slot to Obama given the number of former Clinton supporters that have lined up and endorsed him.  In the Clintonian world they are traitors.  By bringing Obama into the fold via a VP slot, they would be suggesting to all those former supporters that there is no price to pay.

I think the hubris of the Clinton camp will be that if they can beat Obama, beating McCain will be no problem -- i.e., they don&#039;t need Obama on the ticket.  The ticket will be, in effect, Clinton/Clinton, with some other guy&#039;s name appended to it because that&#039;s what the rules require.

Obama should go back to the Senate, finish his term and run again, then prepare himself for his real run for the Presidency in 2016.  

I wonder if I can get a future&#039;s book bet on him to win in 2016?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the question of whether Obama would accept a VP nod if offered by Clinton, I have a two word response:  Al Gore.</p>
<p>Remember, he&#8217;s an Obama supporter.  His political career and path to the Presidence were wrecked by the Clintons.</p>
<p>And, I just don&#8217;t see the Clintons offering the slot to Obama given the number of former Clinton supporters that have lined up and endorsed him.  In the Clintonian world they are traitors.  By bringing Obama into the fold via a VP slot, they would be suggesting to all those former supporters that there is no price to pay.</p>
<p>I think the hubris of the Clinton camp will be that if they can beat Obama, beating McCain will be no problem &#8212; i.e., they don&#8217;t need Obama on the ticket.  The ticket will be, in effect, Clinton/Clinton, with some other guy&#8217;s name appended to it because that&#8217;s what the rules require.</p>
<p>Obama should go back to the Senate, finish his term and run again, then prepare himself for his real run for the Presidency in 2016.  </p>
<p>I wonder if I can get a future&#8217;s book bet on him to win in 2016?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before any super-delegate vote, the behind-the-scene pressure on Obama to drop out as part of a deal with the Clintons will be intense (the Obama people can try to do the same thing, but realistically it only works if they&#039;re willing to play the race car against Bill and Hillary, and they would be a killer  if he hoped to beat McCain in the November election).

The argument will be that Obama is young enough to still try again in 2016, and that he can sit in waiting until then. The dreamers in the party or and the Clinton team would probably want a unity ticket of Hillary and Obama, though if I&#039;m Barak I&#039;m crazy to take that, no matter how many promises are made about a high-profile role in the administration, because any vice-presidential duties not specifically mandated by the constitution will be filled by Bill, not Obama, who would be sent out for public appearances only before the proper (i.e. African-American) audiences. Bill will end up doing all the other heavy lifting that has been part of the job for Cheney, Gore and GHWB over the past generation; a vice-president Obama will get as much love as LBJ got from JFK or what Johnson provided to Humphrey.

It&#039;s a pretty moldy carrot to be put out before Obama, and the Clintons no doubt will also have a stick waiting to coerce him into avoiding an open fight with Hillary for the super delegates. We&#039;ll just have to see if he and his supporters are strong enough not to buckle under the pressure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before any super-delegate vote, the behind-the-scene pressure on Obama to drop out as part of a deal with the Clintons will be intense (the Obama people can try to do the same thing, but realistically it only works if they&#8217;re willing to play the race car against Bill and Hillary, and they would be a killer  if he hoped to beat McCain in the November election).</p>
<p>The argument will be that Obama is young enough to still try again in 2016, and that he can sit in waiting until then. The dreamers in the party or and the Clinton team would probably want a unity ticket of Hillary and Obama, though if I&#8217;m Barak I&#8217;m crazy to take that, no matter how many promises are made about a high-profile role in the administration, because any vice-presidential duties not specifically mandated by the constitution will be filled by Bill, not Obama, who would be sent out for public appearances only before the proper (i.e. African-American) audiences. Bill will end up doing all the other heavy lifting that has been part of the job for Cheney, Gore and GHWB over the past generation; a vice-president Obama will get as much love as LBJ got from JFK or what Johnson provided to Humphrey.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pretty moldy carrot to be put out before Obama, and the Clintons no doubt will also have a stick waiting to coerce him into avoiding an open fight with Hillary for the super delegates. We&#8217;ll just have to see if he and his supporters are strong enough not to buckle under the pressure.</p>
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		<title>By: ras</title>
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		<dc:creator>ras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The troll confirms both the original diagnosis AND the candidates that the Lefties most fear. See guys, it&#039;s all in how you use your trolls; they&#039;re just tools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The troll confirms both the original diagnosis AND the candidates that the Lefties most fear. See guys, it&#8217;s all in how you use your trolls; they&#8217;re just tools.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Peden</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Peden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...I guess Repubs need something to buoy their spirits after last night.&lt;/i&gt;

For me it was quite enough to see Obama stay even with Hillary. The Prog Super Delegates just might have to face the choice of either squashing The Blackman or nominating The Vacuous. 

Not to mention the somewhat similar impending Prog problem of seating delegates from Fla. and Mich., which the MSM has also not caught onto very quickly. On MSNBC, Bob Beckel actually looked and acted rather depressed by the situation - already even blaming himself - especially including the specter of a Hillary/P-Obama/VP ticket. And that was &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; the tuesday vote.

Smiting the Progressive, &lt;i&gt;imminent&lt;/i&gt; threat to America and individual free thought is my priority. If the Progs look like they will assist my vote against them, so much the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;I guess Repubs need something to buoy their spirits after last night.</i></p>
<p>For me it was quite enough to see Obama stay even with Hillary. The Prog Super Delegates just might have to face the choice of either squashing The Blackman or nominating The Vacuous. </p>
<p>Not to mention the somewhat similar impending Prog problem of seating delegates from Fla. and Mich., which the MSM has also not caught onto very quickly. On MSNBC, Bob Beckel actually looked and acted rather depressed by the situation &#8211; already even blaming himself &#8211; especially including the specter of a Hillary/P-Obama/VP ticket. And that was <i>before</i> the tuesday vote.</p>
<p>Smiting the Progressive, <i>imminent</i> threat to America and individual free thought is my priority. If the Progs look like they will assist my vote against them, so much the better.</p>
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