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	<title>Comments on: Ed Whelan: The Only Intemperate Partisan Bully I Know Who Is Unfailingly Calm, Reasoned, and Rational</title>
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	<description>Harangues that just make sense</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/01/23/ed-whelan-the-only-intemperate-partisan-bully-i-know-who-is-unfailingly-calm-reasoned-and-rational/#comment-315928</link>
		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. "Troglodyte," I meant. Now that's an embarrassing typo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. &#8220;Troglodyte,&#8221; I meant. Now that&#8217;s an embarrassing typo.</p>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/01/23/ed-whelan-the-only-intemperate-partisan-bully-i-know-who-is-unfailingly-calm-reasoned-and-rational/#comment-315927</link>
		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a trial or appellate courtroom, where there are clear-cut rules of debate, the methodical, patient, inexorable advocacy (truth-telling) of someone like Mr. Whelan will almost always carry the day against a cute, glib, scatter-shot opponent.

The lack of structure, referee, or binding adjudication in internet debates permits the cute, glib, and scatter-shot to claim victory when an objective observer would conclude they've lost.  They dance back to their echo-chambers, high-fiving righteously and huffing contemptuously at us troglodites.

In their world-view, someone who calmly and relentlessly marshals factual arguments must be a "bully."  In my world-view, he's a champion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a trial or appellate courtroom, where there are clear-cut rules of debate, the methodical, patient, inexorable advocacy (truth-telling) of someone like Mr. Whelan will almost always carry the day against a cute, glib, scatter-shot opponent.</p>
<p>The lack of structure, referee, or binding adjudication in internet debates permits the cute, glib, and scatter-shot to claim victory when an objective observer would conclude they&#8217;ve lost.  They dance back to their echo-chambers, high-fiving righteously and huffing contemptuously at us troglodites.</p>
<p>In their world-view, someone who calmly and relentlessly marshals factual arguments must be a &#8220;bully.&#8221;  In my world-view, he&#8217;s a champion.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/01/23/ed-whelan-the-only-intemperate-partisan-bully-i-know-who-is-unfailingly-calm-reasoned-and-rational/#comment-315851</link>
		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cut right to the heart of this incident.  Posts like this are why I read Patterico.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cut right to the heart of this incident.  Posts like this are why I read Patterico.com.</p>
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		<title>By: SPQR</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2008/01/23/ed-whelan-the-only-intemperate-partisan-bully-i-know-who-is-unfailingly-calm-reasoned-and-rational/#comment-315846</link>
		<dc:creator>SPQR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xanthippas, perhaps you should review the logical fallacy of assuming your conclusion, i.e., begging the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xanthippas, perhaps you should review the logical fallacy of assuming your conclusion, i.e., begging the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it you legal eagles say about "truth is an affirmative defense"?
He should ignore the ad hominen attacks, and just repeat the truth, over and over again.
As long as truth is the weapon he uses, the only reputations that will suffer, will be those of his critics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it you legal eagles say about &#8220;truth is an affirmative defense&#8221;?<br />
He should ignore the ad hominen attacks, and just repeat the truth, over and over again.<br />
As long as truth is the weapon he uses, the only reputations that will suffer, will be those of his critics.</p>
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		<title>By: Xanthippas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xanthippas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patterico, you should be more careful about utilizing the term "ad hominem." The writers at Slate and Hoyt are not attacking Whelan and avoiding the substance of the argument, so much as they are dismissing the arguments of Whelan for a lack of substance and questioning his true motivations for attacking Greenhouse. This is not an "ad hominem" attack, whether you agree with them or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patterico, you should be more careful about utilizing the term &#8220;ad hominem.&#8221; The writers at Slate and Hoyt are not attacking Whelan and avoiding the substance of the argument, so much as they are dismissing the arguments of Whelan for a lack of substance and questioning his true motivations for attacking Greenhouse. This is not an &#8220;ad hominem&#8221; attack, whether you agree with them or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Amphipolis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amphipolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bazelon and Lithwick utilize the logical fallacies that stand for reasonable argument in liberal circles.

The charge that Whelan unfairly singled out Greenhouse is a red herring. It does not address the specific detailed criticisms Whelan has made. It is a distraction, and it has worked - Whelan ends up defending something that is irrelevant. Even if he has singled her out, is what he said true?

Calling Whelan a bully and a hatchet man is an ad hominem attack. I bet he is fat too, and that would be no more relevant to the argument. Name calling is a great distraction. Now you are thinking about fat people, not conflicts of interest.

Finally, they use straw men. They put words in his mouth and attack them - he trashed her professional reputation, he slimed her. Once again, we waste text trying to say that he didn't say what they said he said - an uphill battle. And the emotion-laden statements have already done their distracting work.

The fallacies come thick and fast when the real argument sticks. Unfortunately, the fallacies work. People are not trained to react reasonably, they are trained to react emotionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bazelon and Lithwick utilize the logical fallacies that stand for reasonable argument in liberal circles.</p>
<p>The charge that Whelan unfairly singled out Greenhouse is a red herring. It does not address the specific detailed criticisms Whelan has made. It is a distraction, and it has worked - Whelan ends up defending something that is irrelevant. Even if he has singled her out, is what he said true?</p>
<p>Calling Whelan a bully and a hatchet man is an ad hominem attack. I bet he is fat too, and that would be no more relevant to the argument. Name calling is a great distraction. Now you are thinking about fat people, not conflicts of interest.</p>
<p>Finally, they use straw men. They put words in his mouth and attack them - he trashed her professional reputation, he slimed her. Once again, we waste text trying to say that he didn&#8217;t say what they said he said - an uphill battle. And the emotion-laden statements have already done their distracting work.</p>
<p>The fallacies come thick and fast when the real argument sticks. Unfortunately, the fallacies work. People are not trained to react reasonably, they are trained to react emotionally.</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is simply amazing what tortured logic some people will use to try to defend the indefensible.  As you point out, it is also quite humorous in many cases.    I suspect those people would become quite angry if they knew I was laughing at them, but they need to take some classes in logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is simply amazing what tortured logic some people will use to try to defend the indefensible.  As you point out, it is also quite humorous in many cases.    I suspect those people would become quite angry if they knew I was laughing at them, but they need to take some classes in logic.</p>
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