Comments on: Has Congress Gutted the Border Fence? http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/ Harangues that just make sense Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:38:29 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jay Curtis http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/comment-page-1/#comment-308615 Jay Curtis Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:08:16 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/#comment-308615 #31 Yes, it would split the Republican vote. I, for one, would vote for them as they are the only people running from either party that I even begin to trust. I voted for Bush because he hid his real agenda during the campaign. "We've got to enforce our border!" So much for that. Duncan Hunter has represented my district for quite a few years. I agree with most aspects of his voting record. However, we all know that the only way his name will ever grace the main stream media is if he buys an ad. And without the MSM talking about you, you have NO chance of getting elected. This year, we really have no good candidates on either side of the isle. #31 Yes, it would split the Republican vote. I, for one, would vote for them as they are the only people running from either party that I even begin to trust.

I voted for Bush because he hid his real agenda during the campaign. “We’ve got to enforce our border!” So much for that.

Duncan Hunter has represented my district for quite a few years. I agree with most aspects of his voting record. However, we all know that the only way his name will ever grace the main stream media is if he buys an ad. And without the MSM talking about you, you have NO chance of getting elected.

This year, we really have no good candidates on either side of the isle.

]]> By: Leviticus http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/comment-page-1/#comment-308606 Leviticus Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:16:22 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/#comment-308606 "If the Republicans ( Bush ) lets this betrayal go through, will Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo join up for an independent run for the presidency?" -j curtis Maybe... if they think the Belly-Laugh Vote is strong enough to propel them to the White House. For what it's worth, I would love a Tancredo/Hunter ticket. It would break the back of any <i>real</i> candidate the Republicans put forward. “If the Republicans ( Bush ) lets this betrayal go through, will Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo join up for an independent run for the presidency?”

-j curtis

Maybe… if they think the Belly-Laugh Vote is strong enough to propel them to the White House.

For what it’s worth, I would love a Tancredo/Hunter ticket. It would break the back of any real candidate the Republicans put forward.

]]> By: Another Drew http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/comment-page-1/#comment-308603 Another Drew Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:54:35 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/#comment-308603 We don't need no stinking fence; not if the President would do this: <b>http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2004_11_14_archive.html#110070926255531129</b> We don’t need no stinking fence; not if the President would do this:
http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2004_11_14_archive.html#110070926255531129

]]> By: JayHub http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/comment-page-1/#comment-308595 JayHub Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:23:00 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/#comment-308595 Daytrader - I agree that there are legitimate uses of eminent domain, just disagree that ipso facto the fence is legitimate in all individual cases. Daytrader – I agree that there are legitimate uses of eminent domain, just disagree that ipso facto the fence is legitimate in all individual cases.

]]> By: JayHub http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/comment-page-1/#comment-308594 JayHub Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:20:56 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/#comment-308594 Daytrader: "This is a national security matter and as much as all dislike the impact on locals the national need overrides that most would say." As I said above, I don't think we would build the fence to keep out terrorists, the risk would not justify the expense. If it did, we'd need to build a fence on the Canadian border too. It's as easy to slip a small group of men across there. So, I don't consider the fence a national security matter in that sense. It's a fence to keep out illegal immigrants, which is very serious but I don't see overriding local interests in all cases. If we cut illegal immigration by 90% instead of 100% by being reasonable on the local level, I could live with that huge improvement. Daytrader: “This is a national security matter and as much as all dislike the impact on locals the national need overrides that most would say.”

As I said above, I don’t think we would build the fence to keep out terrorists, the risk would not justify the expense. If it did, we’d need to build a fence on the Canadian border too. It’s as easy to slip a small group of men across there. So, I don’t consider the fence a national security matter in that sense. It’s a fence to keep out illegal immigrants, which is very serious but I don’t see overriding local interests in all cases. If we cut illegal immigration by 90% instead of 100% by being reasonable on the local level, I could live with that huge improvement.

]]> By: voiceofreason http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/comment-page-1/#comment-308592 voiceofreason Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:39:11 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/#comment-308592 <i>And the next damned illegal that sees my beautiful daughter and graps his crotch and cat calles to her is going to require me to need a very good lawyer. I’ve absolutely had it with that crap. Comment by retire05 — 12/18/2007 @ 9:12 pm </i> How do you know if they are an illegal? And what if they are a "legal"? Inquiring minds..... And the next damned illegal that sees my beautiful daughter and graps his crotch and cat calles to her is going to require me to need a very good lawyer. I’ve absolutely had it with that crap.

Comment by retire05 — 12/18/2007 @ 9:12 pm

How do you know if they are an illegal? And what if they are a “legal”?
Inquiring minds…..

]]> By: daytrader http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/comment-page-1/#comment-308581 daytrader Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:25:59 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/#comment-308581 JayHub This is a national security matter and as much as all dislike the impact on locals the national need over rides that most would say. I have seen whole valleys displaced when hydro electric dams were built but those were for at least public usage. The Kelo decision was transferring private property for commercial use that only was attempted to be justified as better usage resulting in a higher tax base not public usage. Also if you follow up that story, the property still has not been used and the commercial developers are near to losing their permits since partially they can't get funding for the project. Next I expect to see a municipal bail out of that situation. JayHub

This is a national security matter and as much as all dislike the impact on locals the national need over rides that most would say.

I have seen whole valleys displaced when hydro electric dams were built but those were for at least public usage.

The Kelo decision was transferring private property for commercial use that only was attempted to be justified as better usage resulting in a higher tax base not public usage.

Also if you follow up that story, the property still has not been used and the commercial developers are near to losing their permits since partially they can’t get funding for the project.

Next I expect to see a municipal bail out of that situation.

]]> By: JayHub http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/comment-page-1/#comment-308548 JayHub Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:15:51 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/#comment-308548 Also, remember, I'm not arguing against building the fence, or against using eminent domain as a last resort. I'm arguing for a rational approach at the local level when it comes to dealing with the property rights of local citizens. Also, remember, I’m not arguing against building the fence, or against using eminent domain as a last resort. I’m arguing for a rational approach at the local level when it comes to dealing with the property rights of local citizens.

]]> By: JayHub http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/comment-page-1/#comment-308546 JayHub Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:07:30 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/#comment-308546 I'm puzzled by a couple of comments here in favor of eminent domain. Sure, Chicago neighborhoods were bulldozed to create highways, but I thought most agreed that this is a bad thing. Out my way they bulldozed a lot of houses to build Dodger Stadium. What about the recent case in New London that incensed us all. What about property rights. I thought this was a conservative blog. I’m puzzled by a couple of comments here in favor of eminent domain. Sure, Chicago neighborhoods were bulldozed to create highways, but I thought most agreed that this is a bad thing. Out my way they bulldozed a lot of houses to build Dodger Stadium.
What about the recent case in New London that incensed us all. What about property rights. I thought this was a conservative blog.

]]> By: daytrader http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/comment-page-1/#comment-308540 daytrader Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:07:41 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/12/18/has-congress-gutted-the-border-fence/#comment-308540 The way support for a border fence was tangled up in multiple requirements for any funding shows that those who said they could not trust the border fence aspects of the comprehensive immigration bill were correct in their analysis. That bill offered little to draw border control leaning people except the fence and congress has shown their true colors of gutting the fence in this new bill. It is proof positive that if the comprehensive bill had gone forward the same result would have occurred as well as any similar features. In effect the bill would have been finalized by revision to be mainly an amnesty bill with no counter features. The way support for a border fence was tangled up in multiple requirements for any funding shows that those who said they could not trust the border fence aspects of the comprehensive immigration bill were correct in their analysis.

That bill offered little to draw border control leaning people except the fence and congress has shown their true colors of gutting the fence in this new bill.

It is proof positive that if the comprehensive bill had gone forward the same result would have occurred as well as any similar features. In effect the bill would have been finalized by revision to be mainly an amnesty bill with no counter features.

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