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	<title>Comments on: Linda Greenhouse Busted for Failure to Disclose Conflict</title>
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		<title>By: aunursa</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/12/14/linda-greenhouse-busted-for-failure-to-disclose-conflict/comment-page-1/#comment-307585</link>
		<dc:creator>aunursa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>phil, unless i missed something, you still haven&#039;t addressed the fact that the nytimes should have disclosed that the reporter&#039;s husband was involved in the case.

[aunursa typing with left hand -- right hand is donating apheresis.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phil, unless i missed something, you still haven&#8217;t addressed the fact that the nytimes should have disclosed that the reporter&#8217;s husband was involved in the case.</p>
<p>[aunursa typing with left hand -- right hand is donating apheresis.]</p>
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		<title>By: Another Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethics in Media???
Isn&#039;t this something we complain about re the judicial system?
Seems to be a symbiosis here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethics in Media???<br />
Isn&#8217;t this something we complain about re the judicial system?<br />
Seems to be a symbiosis here.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How about if she was the wife of a chef and she gave a rave review of the restaurant at which he toiled, but did not own? Split that hair, if you please.&lt;/i&gt;

Absolutely -- I can certainly see a legitimate conflict of interest with the restaurant, because I can see what she stands to gain by misrepresenting her feelings about it. 

If she says &quot;the food at this restaurant is wonderful,&quot; I wonder if she&#039;s just saying that because she wants me to eat at this restaurant, so her husband&#039;s job is secure.  

But her rave reviews of this decision -- when she says &quot;this decision is wonderful&quot; what is she trying to persuade me to do?  Take another case to the supreme court, because it&#039;s such a fair, unbiased institution?  No.  Hire her husband?  No, the story doesn&#039;t mention her husband. 

What is she going to gain?  How can she deceive me into doing something that will benefit her? 

That&#039;s what&#039;s missing in this case that&#039;s present in your restarant cook/reviewer analogy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How about if she was the wife of a chef and she gave a rave review of the restaurant at which he toiled, but did not own? Split that hair, if you please.</i></p>
<p>Absolutely &#8212; I can certainly see a legitimate conflict of interest with the restaurant, because I can see what she stands to gain by misrepresenting her feelings about it. </p>
<p>If she says &#8220;the food at this restaurant is wonderful,&#8221; I wonder if she&#8217;s just saying that because she wants me to eat at this restaurant, so her husband&#8217;s job is secure.  </p>
<p>But her rave reviews of this decision &#8212; when she says &#8220;this decision is wonderful&#8221; what is she trying to persuade me to do?  Take another case to the supreme court, because it&#8217;s such a fair, unbiased institution?  No.  Hire her husband?  No, the story doesn&#8217;t mention her husband. </p>
<p>What is she going to gain?  How can she deceive me into doing something that will benefit her? </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what&#8217;s missing in this case that&#8217;s present in your restarant cook/reviewer analogy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil - I grant you that this is a conflict of interest.  Will you grant me that the single most important trait for any teller of any factual story is credibility?

How about if she was the wife of a chef and she gave a rave review of the restaurant at which he toiled, but did not own?  Split that hair, if you please.

Has she not sundered her credibility?  Has the NYT not been similarly degraded?

Isn&#039;t this enough to scorn each of these?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil &#8211; I grant you that this is a conflict of interest.  Will you grant me that the single most important trait for any teller of any factual story is credibility?</p>
<p>How about if she was the wife of a chef and she gave a rave review of the restaurant at which he toiled, but did not own?  Split that hair, if you please.</p>
<p>Has she not sundered her credibility?  Has the NYT not been similarly degraded?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this enough to scorn each of these?</p>
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		<title>By: SPQR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPQR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, your only answer is to deliberately miss the point and shout &quot;Hey, Look over There! Fox News!&quot; ??

I guess you were not kidding ** sigh **</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, your only answer is to deliberately miss the point and shout &#8220;Hey, Look over There! Fox News!&#8221; ??</p>
<p>I guess you were not kidding ** sigh **</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, seriously, do you guys really think that this story was a plot to convince the world that her husband is an awesome lawyer? 

If that&#039;s really what you guys think, then fine, whatever.  I certainly wasn&#039;t persuaded of that by the story, and I don&#039;t know of anyone who would think that.  

If she only thinks it&#039;s a great decision because it&#039;s a great victory for her husband, and she wants to puff up the importance of the decision to increase his notoriety, then that could be a conflict of interest, I guess.  Although not a particularly harmful one at all.  How does her worshipful tone create any harm?  

The slobbering slavishness of Fox News to all things neocon is equally biased -- just because they support these issues from politically-related bias rather family-related bias doesn&#039;t make them any less biased.  

You guys are acting like you&#039;ve discovered a conspiracy.  What&#039;s the harm?  Do you really think she&#039;s going to persuade anyone that this was a great decision, against their will?  

I still think this is all sour grapes, because you guys don&#039;t like the outcome of the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, seriously, do you guys really think that this story was a plot to convince the world that her husband is an awesome lawyer? </p>
<p>If that&#8217;s really what you guys think, then fine, whatever.  I certainly wasn&#8217;t persuaded of that by the story, and I don&#8217;t know of anyone who would think that.  </p>
<p>If she only thinks it&#8217;s a great decision because it&#8217;s a great victory for her husband, and she wants to puff up the importance of the decision to increase his notoriety, then that could be a conflict of interest, I guess.  Although not a particularly harmful one at all.  How does her worshipful tone create any harm?  </p>
<p>The slobbering slavishness of Fox News to all things neocon is equally biased &#8212; just because they support these issues from politically-related bias rather family-related bias doesn&#8217;t make them any less biased.  </p>
<p>You guys are acting like you&#8217;ve discovered a conspiracy.  What&#8217;s the harm?  Do you really think she&#8217;s going to persuade anyone that this was a great decision, against their will?  </p>
<p>I still think this is all sour grapes, because you guys don&#8217;t like the outcome of the case.</p>
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		<title>By: SPQR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPQR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are kidding right Phil?  You &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; kidding, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are kidding right Phil?  You <i>are</i> kidding, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Rosenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be an embarrassment, but they&#039;ll shrug it off, alas. Nothing wrong -- at all -- with Greenhouse discoursing on the subject; it&#039;s her beat, after all.  As Patterico suggests, what&#039;s wrong is her not prominently mentioning that her husband had submitted an amicus brief.

Distressingly common sorts of stuff, and not the worst example I can think of.  Locally, we had what appears to me to be the first defensive shooting by a permit holder since we changed our law.  

Two problems:  the shootee was an offduty cop, who was engaged to a staffer at a local news station.  The reporter for the news station promptly busied himself researching a traffic arrest, several years before . . . 

. . . . of the shooter?  Nope.  

The shootee?  Nope.  

He went on a hunting expedition into the background of prime witness to the offduty cop&#039;s misbehavior.  

(Disclosure:  I&#039;m leaving out a &lt;i&gt;lot &lt;/i&gt;of stuff, some of it relevant.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be an embarrassment, but they&#8217;ll shrug it off, alas. Nothing wrong &#8212; at all &#8212; with Greenhouse discoursing on the subject; it&#8217;s her beat, after all.  As Patterico suggests, what&#8217;s wrong is her not prominently mentioning that her husband had submitted an amicus brief.</p>
<p>Distressingly common sorts of stuff, and not the worst example I can think of.  Locally, we had what appears to me to be the first defensive shooting by a permit holder since we changed our law.  </p>
<p>Two problems:  the shootee was an offduty cop, who was engaged to a staffer at a local news station.  The reporter for the news station promptly busied himself researching a traffic arrest, several years before . . . </p>
<p>. . . . of the shooter?  Nope.  </p>
<p>The shootee?  Nope.  </p>
<p>He went on a hunting expedition into the background of prime witness to the offduty cop&#8217;s misbehavior.  </p>
<p>(Disclosure:  I&#8217;m leaving out a <i>lot </i>of stuff, some of it relevant.)</p>
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		<title>By: aunursa</title>
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		<dc:creator>aunursa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This situation is more like a sports reporter who is married to a football player for, say, the New England Patriots. Say she writes a glowing review of a particularly important win by the Patriots. Might she be a bit more fawning because her husband’s on the team?&lt;/i&gt;

The more popular the Patriots become, the more successful will be team jerseys and other New England merchandising.  And the more lucrative will be the endorsement offers for the New England players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This situation is more like a sports reporter who is married to a football player for, say, the New England Patriots. Say she writes a glowing review of a particularly important win by the Patriots. Might she be a bit more fawning because her husband’s on the team?</i></p>
<p>The more popular the Patriots become, the more successful will be team jerseys and other New England merchandising.  And the more lucrative will be the endorsement offers for the New England players.</p>
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		<title>By: JVW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JVW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t think she benefits if her husband develops a reputation as someone who can contribute to a successful defense against terrorism cases?  Wouldn&#039;t it make him more attractive on the campus lecture circuit (those honoraria can be pretty significant) or as a commentator on a television network or even as lead defense counsel in a future case?  Even if you discount the idea that there would be a direct financial inducement for her to pursue a certain verdict, there is always the intangible benefits of making her husband look good in the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t think she benefits if her husband develops a reputation as someone who can contribute to a successful defense against terrorism cases?  Wouldn&#8217;t it make him more attractive on the campus lecture circuit (those honoraria can be pretty significant) or as a commentator on a television network or even as lead defense counsel in a future case?  Even if you discount the idea that there would be a direct financial inducement for her to pursue a certain verdict, there is always the intangible benefits of making her husband look good in the media.</p>
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