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	<title>Comments on: Memo to CNN:  How to Run a Fair Debate</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/11/28/memo-to-cnn-how-to-run-a-fair-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-303766</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Give me a baseball bat and ten minutes. I’ll teach those SOBs that pain is NOT something you take amusement from– and yes, this is coming from someone who is small and female.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
*swoons*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Give me a baseball bat and ten minutes. I’ll teach those SOBs that pain is NOT something you take amusement from– and yes, this is coming from someone who is small and female.</p></blockquote>
<p>*swoons*</p>
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		<title>By: Foxfier</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/11/28/memo-to-cnn-how-to-run-a-fair-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-303763</link>
		<dc:creator>Foxfier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>papertiger -- quite agreed that it has to be learned.  But I had to deal with enough unpatriotic jerks in the service-- we don&#039;t need MORE! (Lots of folks see the military as a form of welfare.)

BTW, it&#039;s Foxfier, and I had this name back in &#039;95. *Grin*  My mom wouldn&#039;t let me log in with my real name.... 

*reads the link*
Give me a baseball bat and ten minutes.  I&#039;ll teach those SOBs that pain is NOT something you take amusement from-- and yes, this is coming from someone who is small and female.

I am not, however, surprised that they try to indirectly blame the shootings on cattlemen.  
Somehow, &quot;shooting someone else&#039;s livestock to watch them die&quot; was never a talking point, and it&#039;s one of those bloody-obvious wrong and illegal things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>papertiger &#8212; quite agreed that it has to be learned.  But I had to deal with enough unpatriotic jerks in the service&#8211; we don&#8217;t need MORE! (Lots of folks see the military as a form of welfare.)</p>
<p>BTW, it&#8217;s Foxfier, and I had this name back in &#8216;95. *Grin*  My mom wouldn&#8217;t let me log in with my real name&#8230;. </p>
<p>*reads the link*<br />
Give me a baseball bat and ten minutes.  I&#8217;ll teach those SOBs that pain is NOT something you take amusement from&#8211; and yes, this is coming from someone who is small and female.</p>
<p>I am not, however, surprised that they try to indirectly blame the shootings on cattlemen.<br />
Somehow, &#8220;shooting someone else&#8217;s livestock to watch them die&#8221; was never a talking point, and it&#8217;s one of those bloody-obvious wrong and illegal things.</p>
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		<title>By: papertiger</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/11/28/memo-to-cnn-how-to-run-a-fair-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-303574</link>
		<dc:creator>papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a point there Firefox, but on the otherhand patriotism isn&#039;t a genetic trait.
It is a learned positive outlet for the expression of masculinity.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/columnone/la-me-cruelty17aug17,1,4159048.story?page=1&amp;coll=la-headlines-columnone&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A beastly kind of cruelty&lt;/a&gt; highlights what happens when a community uses leftist rhetoric to shame their masculine offspring into self neuterment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a point there Firefox, but on the otherhand patriotism isn&#8217;t a genetic trait.<br />
It is a learned positive outlet for the expression of masculinity.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/columnone/la-me-cruelty17aug17,1,4159048.story?page=1&amp;coll=la-headlines-columnone" title="" rel="nofollow">A beastly kind of cruelty</a> highlights what happens when a community uses leftist rhetoric to shame their masculine offspring into self neuterment.</p>
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		<title>By: Leviticus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leviticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No, it’s the right word.

Do you benmifit from the freedoms this country provides?

Then man-up and serve.&quot;

- Scott Jacobs

Eat me.  Let me know when you start cutting terrorist throats, 4-F Boy (or whatever the fuck provision is restraining your over-eager ass from enlisting).

I love my state, and I love this country.  If &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; decided, based on empirical evidence and rational consideration, that it was in danger from an external threat, I would volunteer to fight.  If &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; decided, as an intellectually/morally responsible individual, I would go to war; not just because the Prez sez.

If there was a draft, I would enlist... but not out of any sense of &quot;obligation&quot;.  I wouldn&#039;t hold it against anyone who said &quot;Fuck you, Sam&quot; and moved to Canada... It&#039;s just that I don&#039;t think I could do that.

There&#039;s a chapter in &lt;i&gt;The Things They Carried&lt;/i&gt; that talks about that whole dilemna.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No, it’s the right word.</p>
<p>Do you benmifit from the freedoms this country provides?</p>
<p>Then man-up and serve.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Scott Jacobs</p>
<p>Eat me.  Let me know when you start cutting terrorist throats, 4-F Boy (or whatever the fuck provision is restraining your over-eager ass from enlisting).</p>
<p>I love my state, and I love this country.  If <i>I</i> decided, based on empirical evidence and rational consideration, that it was in danger from an external threat, I would volunteer to fight.  If <i>I</i> decided, as an intellectually/morally responsible individual, I would go to war; not just because the Prez sez.</p>
<p>If there was a draft, I would enlist&#8230; but not out of any sense of &#8220;obligation&#8221;.  I wouldn&#8217;t hold it against anyone who said &#8220;Fuck you, Sam&#8221; and moved to Canada&#8230; It&#8217;s just that I don&#8217;t think I could do that.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a chapter in <i>The Things They Carried</i> that talks about that whole dilemna.</p>
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		<title>By: Foxfier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foxfier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>papertiger -- pet peeve.

Parents do not &quot;send&quot; their children to war, with the possible exception of those in Congress who voted for the war while they had children serving.

I doesn&#039;t matter who the parents are, it&#039;s the one who&#039;s serving who chooses to serve-- as that Sheehan woman amply displayed.  

Frankly, I&#039;m a little disgusted that folks keep on acting like our military is full of stupid puppets who act on their parents&#039; orders and not for their own reasons-- if you&#039;re in the service, you&#039;re AN ADULT.

As someone who *did* choose to do a term and some change, I have news for those who want to use the &quot;Chickenhawk&quot; argument-- The military does not NEED everyone who would support it to serve in the uniformed services.  Barring a world-ending-huge war, we won&#039;t ever need that.
I&#039;m fully able to see that folks can serve and protect the nation without joining the military-- say, by keeping the nation strong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>papertiger &#8212; pet peeve.</p>
<p>Parents do not &#8220;send&#8221; their children to war, with the possible exception of those in Congress who voted for the war while they had children serving.</p>
<p>I doesn&#8217;t matter who the parents are, it&#8217;s the one who&#8217;s serving who chooses to serve&#8211; as that Sheehan woman amply displayed.  </p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m a little disgusted that folks keep on acting like our military is full of stupid puppets who act on their parents&#8217; orders and not for their own reasons&#8211; if you&#8217;re in the service, you&#8217;re AN ADULT.</p>
<p>As someone who *did* choose to do a term and some change, I have news for those who want to use the &#8220;Chickenhawk&#8221; argument&#8211; The military does not NEED everyone who would support it to serve in the uniformed services.  Barring a world-ending-huge war, we won&#8217;t ever need that.<br />
I&#8217;m fully able to see that folks can serve and protect the nation without joining the military&#8211; say, by keeping the nation strong.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/11/28/memo-to-cnn-how-to-run-a-fair-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-303363</link>
		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David #70,

Scott and I were on your side on this.  Don&#039;t be so reflexive.  It&#039;s a hard world and we need friends, not enemies, even if we joke about Zinfandel and frozen margaritas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David #70,</p>
<p>Scott and I were on your side on this.  Don&#8217;t be so reflexive.  It&#8217;s a hard world and we need friends, not enemies, even if we joke about Zinfandel and frozen margaritas.</p>
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		<title>By: papertiger</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/11/28/memo-to-cnn-how-to-run-a-fair-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-303349</link>
		<dc:creator>papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave  the way I figure  Marin County has actually less of their sons and daughters serving their country in the military, then both President Bush and VP Cheney combined.

Cause when you take the plus 60 recruited and subtract the 470 that leaves minus 410. Even if no Bush or Cheney kids serve they can&#039;t get a negative number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave  the way I figure  Marin County has actually less of their sons and daughters serving their country in the military, then both President Bush and VP Cheney combined.</p>
<p>Cause when you take the plus 60 recruited and subtract the 470 that leaves minus 410. Even if no Bush or Cheney kids serve they can&#8217;t get a negative number.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/11/28/memo-to-cnn-how-to-run-a-fair-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-303347</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many high-profile Republicans already have.

Bet our numbers are higher than your&#039;s.  WOnder why that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many high-profile Republicans already have.</p>
<p>Bet our numbers are higher than your&#8217;s.  WOnder why that is.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ehrenstein</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/11/28/memo-to-cnn-how-to-run-a-fair-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-303345</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ehrenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You won&#039;t get very far asking any number of high-profle Republicas to do that,Scott.

They have, in the immortal words of Dick Cheney, &quot;other commitments.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You won&#8217;t get very far asking any number of high-profle Republicas to do that,Scott.</p>
<p>They have, in the immortal words of Dick Cheney, &#8220;other commitments.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/11/28/memo-to-cnn-how-to-run-a-fair-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-303343</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Obligation” is the wrong word, nk. Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, sure… but not all things belong to Caesar, whatever he may think at any given moment. Unquestioning service is one of those things.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, it&#039;s the right word.

Do you benmifit from the freedoms this country provides?

Then man-up and serve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Obligation” is the wrong word, nk. Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, sure… but not all things belong to Caesar, whatever he may think at any given moment. Unquestioning service is one of those things.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, it&#8217;s the right word.</p>
<p>Do you benmifit from the freedoms this country provides?</p>
<p>Then man-up and serve.</p>
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