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	<title>Comments on: Aldrete-Davila arrested in El Paso for 2005 Drug Offenses</title>
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		<title>By: Christoph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 03:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have reluctantly come to much the same conclusion myself, WLS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have reluctantly come to much the same conclusion myself, WLS.</p>
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		<title>By: WLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen Beck ran a completely tasteless piece this morning on his radio show.

They started with a &quot;Breaking News&quot; announcement, teasing the Compean and Ramos story, with his basic &quot;first two political prisoners&quot; crap.  

Then he had some communication &quot;difficulties&quot; with one of his sidekicks who was trying to &quot;confirm&quot; a Thanksgiving WH annoucement of long-awaited pardons.  

Then, after about5 minutes of trying to stifle laughter themselves, the &quot;confusion&quot; was cleared up with the explanation that the &quot;pardons&quot; by Pres. Bush in question were of two turkeys brought to the WH for Thanksgiving -- and that Compean and Ramos would remain in prison, but with Administration assurances that they wouldn&#039;t be killed or eaten for one day -- maybe only brutalized in their cells.

A new low.  

This guy&#039;s schtick has really run its course.  He&#039;s the Olbermann of the right wing -- not even worthy of being considered any further</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen Beck ran a completely tasteless piece this morning on his radio show.</p>
<p>They started with a &#8220;Breaking News&#8221; announcement, teasing the Compean and Ramos story, with his basic &#8220;first two political prisoners&#8221; crap.  </p>
<p>Then he had some communication &#8220;difficulties&#8221; with one of his sidekicks who was trying to &#8220;confirm&#8221; a Thanksgiving WH annoucement of long-awaited pardons.  </p>
<p>Then, after about5 minutes of trying to stifle laughter themselves, the &#8220;confusion&#8221; was cleared up with the explanation that the &#8220;pardons&#8221; by Pres. Bush in question were of two turkeys brought to the WH for Thanksgiving &#8212; and that Compean and Ramos would remain in prison, but with Administration assurances that they wouldn&#8217;t be killed or eaten for one day &#8212; maybe only brutalized in their cells.</p>
<p>A new low.  </p>
<p>This guy&#8217;s schtick has really run its course.  He&#8217;s the Olbermann of the right wing &#8212; not even worthy of being considered any further</p>
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		<title>By: Blenda Rappaport</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blenda Rappaport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why has no one mentioned the rules of engagement between the Border Patrol and the illegals?  The &quot;good&quot; illegals who are just here for jobs, will shrug their shoulders, stay where they are, and comply with the Border Patrols directions. The ones who run have warrants out on them, drugs or guns in their possession,or have been deported before, and the runners are the ones the BP know they need to stop.

Davila raised his hands momentarily and then kept advancing in a menacing manner, he did not stop when ordered to, and took off running as soon as he was out of the ditch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why has no one mentioned the rules of engagement between the Border Patrol and the illegals?  The &#8220;good&#8221; illegals who are just here for jobs, will shrug their shoulders, stay where they are, and comply with the Border Patrols directions. The ones who run have warrants out on them, drugs or guns in their possession,or have been deported before, and the runners are the ones the BP know they need to stop.</p>
<p>Davila raised his hands momentarily and then kept advancing in a menacing manner, he did not stop when ordered to, and took off running as soon as he was out of the ditch.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, lc, they did and that issue was addressed in the sealed transcript.  However, they also wanted to ask more questions about the drug load OAD carried that day.  I was thinking about the latter and you were thinking about the former.  Thanks for pointing that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, lc, they did and that issue was addressed in the sealed transcript.  However, they also wanted to ask more questions about the drug load OAD carried that day.  I was thinking about the latter and you were thinking about the former.  Thanks for pointing that out.</p>
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		<title>By: lc</title>
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		<dc:creator>lc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I wasn&#039;t talking about that day.  He admitted he was carrying drugs that day.  I thought the defense wanted to ask questions about other loads on other days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I wasn&#8217;t talking about that day.  He admitted he was carrying drugs that day.  I thought the defense wanted to ask questions about other loads on other days.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lc,

I don&#039;t see how it would incriminate OAD to testify about the details of the load he carried on the day he was shot because he was given immunity for anything he admitted he did that day.  He admitted he was smuggling drugs and he should have to answer questions about those details.  I think the trial court&#039;s limitations on what defense counsel could ask are a valid issue on appeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lc,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how it would incriminate OAD to testify about the details of the load he carried on the day he was shot because he was given immunity for anything he admitted he did that day.  He admitted he was smuggling drugs and he should have to answer questions about those details.  I think the trial court&#8217;s limitations on what defense counsel could ask are a valid issue on appeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7 
&lt;i&gt;How is their shooting of a Hispanic male running south towards the border any more justified whether he was driving his first load — as he claimed — or his 100th load, as might have been the case?&lt;/i&gt;

We have only Davila&#039;s word for it that he was unarmed. If he did, in fact, have a gun, then the shooting would have been called a good shoot and not the crime it has been labeled. By keeping his other misdeads from the jury, you give added value to his testimony. 

Also the questions that I did not articulate very well have to do with Sutton, the prosecution team and what they knew about Davila that they learned before the R &amp; C trial. Since they knew before the trial that he was implicated in further drug smuggling, did they learn anything that would have indicated to them that his testimony was likely to be false? If yes, why would they have continued with the trial? Isn&#039;t there an ethical problem with prosecuting someone using testimony that is likely not true?

And the fact that he was Hispanic and running south has no more bearing than if he had been Blue and running north in my mind. I don&#039;t see where ethnicity even came into play with this case.</description>
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<i>How is their shooting of a Hispanic male running south towards the border any more justified whether he was driving his first load — as he claimed — or his 100th load, as might have been the case?</i></p>
<p>We have only Davila&#8217;s word for it that he was unarmed. If he did, in fact, have a gun, then the shooting would have been called a good shoot and not the crime it has been labeled. By keeping his other misdeads from the jury, you give added value to his testimony. </p>
<p>Also the questions that I did not articulate very well have to do with Sutton, the prosecution team and what they knew about Davila that they learned before the R &amp; C trial. Since they knew before the trial that he was implicated in further drug smuggling, did they learn anything that would have indicated to them that his testimony was likely to be false? If yes, why would they have continued with the trial? Isn&#8217;t there an ethical problem with prosecuting someone using testimony that is likely not true?</p>
<p>And the fact that he was Hispanic and running south has no more bearing than if he had been Blue and running north in my mind. I don&#8217;t see where ethnicity even came into play with this case.</p>
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		<title>By: lc</title>
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		<dc:creator>lc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if there is a Ramos-Compean retrial, the judge would still have to limit that type of testimony.  You can&#039;t force OAD to incriminate himself and most judges won&#039;t let a witness take the Fifth in front of a jury.

I suppose there&#039;s emotional satisfaction in watching OAD get his just desserts, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s going to help Ramos-Compean that much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if there is a Ramos-Compean retrial, the judge would still have to limit that type of testimony.  You can&#8217;t force OAD to incriminate himself and most judges won&#8217;t let a witness take the Fifth in front of a jury.</p>
<p>I suppose there&#8217;s emotional satisfaction in watching OAD get his just desserts, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s going to help Ramos-Compean that much.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know very little about Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila&#039;s drug experience because the trial court limited the questions he could be asked on that subject. Maybe the jury wouldn&#039;t have believed OAD if his testimony on that issue had been challenged.  

In any event, OAD was apparently &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_7482706&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;arraigned&lt;/a&gt; this morning in El Paso.  Today&#039;s article also reports that Cipriano Ortiz &quot;pleaded guilty to conspiracy to possess a controlled substance with intent to distribute in August and is scheduled to be sentenced in February.&quot;  Thus, it seems the evidence against OAD will include the testimony of an admitted drug smuggler.  Ironic, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know very little about Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila&#8217;s drug experience because the trial court limited the questions he could be asked on that subject. Maybe the jury wouldn&#8217;t have believed OAD if his testimony on that issue had been challenged.  </p>
<p>In any event, OAD was apparently <a href="http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_7482706" title="" rel="nofollow">arraigned</a> this morning in El Paso.  Today&#8217;s article also reports that Cipriano Ortiz &#8220;pleaded guilty to conspiracy to possess a controlled substance with intent to distribute in August and is scheduled to be sentenced in February.&#8221;  Thus, it seems the evidence against OAD will include the testimony of an admitted drug smuggler.  Ironic, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: WLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Curtis -- there is no evidence that Feb. 2005 WASN&#039;T Davila&#039;s first time.

And, whether he had a gun or not wasn&#039;t the question -- the question was whether Compean and Ramos saw something they perceived as a threat.

Their stories were contradictory, and they told many outright fabrications -- not to mention failing to even report having discharged their weapons and then trying to hide the fact that they had -- so their claim that they thought Davila had a gun was unbelievable.

The question is &quot;what was in their minds&quot; when they pulled their triggers.  Their shooting is only justified, and thus not criminal, if they perceived a threat.  They said they did, but they said so many other things that weren&#039;t true -- and they couldn&#039;t even keep their story straight -- that the jury disbelieved them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Curtis &#8212; there is no evidence that Feb. 2005 WASN&#8217;T Davila&#8217;s first time.</p>
<p>And, whether he had a gun or not wasn&#8217;t the question &#8212; the question was whether Compean and Ramos saw something they perceived as a threat.</p>
<p>Their stories were contradictory, and they told many outright fabrications &#8212; not to mention failing to even report having discharged their weapons and then trying to hide the fact that they had &#8212; so their claim that they thought Davila had a gun was unbelievable.</p>
<p>The question is &#8220;what was in their minds&#8221; when they pulled their triggers.  Their shooting is only justified, and thus not criminal, if they perceived a threat.  They said they did, but they said so many other things that weren&#8217;t true &#8212; and they couldn&#8217;t even keep their story straight &#8212; that the jury disbelieved them.</p>
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