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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/10/29/firearms-disappearing-from-airport-luggage/comment-page-2/#comment-295599</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet, DRJ. Yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet, DRJ. Yet.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/10/29/firearms-disappearing-from-airport-luggage/comment-page-2/#comment-295597</link>
		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pablo #57:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Leviticus, this may come as a surprise to you, but legislation is generally not based on the last paragraph of a post at Patterico’s Pontifications.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; It may not be a surprise but it&#039;s a disappointment, at least to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pablo #57:<br />
<blockquote><i>Leviticus, this may come as a surprise to you, but legislation is generally not based on the last paragraph of a post at Patterico’s Pontifications.</i></p></blockquote>
<p> It may not be a surprise but it&#8217;s a disappointment, at least to me.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/10/29/firearms-disappearing-from-airport-luggage/comment-page-2/#comment-295596</link>
		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SiliconDoc #42,

I&#039;m sorry I misunderstood your comment.  I thought you were saying the Administration encouraged Philbin to conduct a fake news conference as a test, to see if he would willingly participate in misleading the media and the public.  I&#039;m glad I was way off base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SiliconDoc #42,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry I misunderstood your comment.  I thought you were saying the Administration encouraged Philbin to conduct a fake news conference as a test, to see if he would willingly participate in misleading the media and the public.  I&#8217;m glad I was way off base.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/10/29/firearms-disappearing-from-airport-luggage/comment-page-2/#comment-295591</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The one remaining Unconstitutional Act on the part of the government still sets precedent for a suspension of 2nd Amendment in US airspace.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s already been done, Leviticus, in case you had not noticed. And it isn&#039;t unconstitutional, because you&#039;re not forced to fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The one remaining Unconstitutional Act on the part of the government still sets precedent for a suspension of 2nd Amendment in US airspace.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s already been done, Leviticus, in case you had not noticed. And it isn&#8217;t unconstitutional, because you&#8217;re not forced to fly.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/10/29/firearms-disappearing-from-airport-luggage/comment-page-2/#comment-295590</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If the last paragraph is any indicator, this post is about TERRORISM - specifically, Terrorists (they’re patient) getting their hands on handguns stolen by TSA personnel/whoever else rummages through our luggage, then using them to commit more Heinous Acts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Leviticus, this may come as a surprise to you, but legislation is generally not based on the last paragraph of a post at Patterico&#039;s Pontifications.
&lt;blockquote&gt;If this is indeed a Terrorist Problem (not a “criminal” one, as you say)… well, then, that’s just hilarious.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah, I&#039;m busting a gut over here. Look out Dane Cook, we&#039;ve got people stealing guns out of luggage!
&lt;blockquote&gt;What with illegal wiretaps, illegal search and seizure, and the suspension of habeas corpus, it seems that the suggested restriction of rights as a solution to a Terrorist Problem is what people on your side of the aisle (though not necessarily you) do best.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Are you seeking treatment for your BDS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the last paragraph is any indicator, this post is about TERRORISM &#8211; specifically, Terrorists (they’re patient) getting their hands on handguns stolen by TSA personnel/whoever else rummages through our luggage, then using them to commit more Heinous Acts.</p></blockquote>
<p>Leviticus, this may come as a surprise to you, but legislation is generally not based on the last paragraph of a post at Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications.</p>
<blockquote><p>If this is indeed a Terrorist Problem (not a “criminal” one, as you say)… well, then, that’s just hilarious.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m busting a gut over here. Look out Dane Cook, we&#8217;ve got people stealing guns out of luggage!</p>
<blockquote><p>What with illegal wiretaps, illegal search and seizure, and the suspension of habeas corpus, it seems that the suggested restriction of rights as a solution to a Terrorist Problem is what people on your side of the aisle (though not necessarily you) do best.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you seeking treatment for your BDS?</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, SPQR.

There&#039;s a story on the internets about a guy who tied a shoelace to his semi-auto&#039;s bolt and then to the trigger and adjusted the length so that the gun would fire just as the bolt went into battery making it full auto.  BATF allowed him to register the shoelace as an autosear.  Hope we won&#039;t have to be shipping our shoelaces in a gun case any time soon. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, SPQR.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a story on the internets about a guy who tied a shoelace to his semi-auto&#8217;s bolt and then to the trigger and adjusted the length so that the gun would fire just as the bolt went into battery making it full auto.  BATF allowed him to register the shoelace as an autosear.  Hope we won&#8217;t have to be shipping our shoelaces in a gun case any time soon. <img src='http://patterico.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joel Rosenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nk:  you can do that with your guns right now, if you&#039;d like.  Just means that you have to have two gun cases.

Me, since I&#039;m sure that a thief is going to be able to get a gun if he tries medium hard, I&#039;m going to halve my chances of effectively losing my gun (half a gun isn&#039;t half as good as a gun) and keep the egg in a single basket. 

Leviticus:  if we&#039;re going to hack off pieces of fundamental individual rights over the War on Terrorism, eagerness is, at best, unseemly and foolish.  What benefit that&#039;s more than a sound bite do you expect to gain by forbidding airline transportation of firearms?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nk:  you can do that with your guns right now, if you&#8217;d like.  Just means that you have to have two gun cases.</p>
<p>Me, since I&#8217;m sure that a thief is going to be able to get a gun if he tries medium hard, I&#8217;m going to halve my chances of effectively losing my gun (half a gun isn&#8217;t half as good as a gun) and keep the egg in a single basket. </p>
<p>Leviticus:  if we&#8217;re going to hack off pieces of fundamental individual rights over the War on Terrorism, eagerness is, at best, unseemly and foolish.  What benefit that&#8217;s more than a sound bite do you expect to gain by forbidding airline transportation of firearms?</p>
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		<title>By: SPQR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPQR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NK, yes the TSA/airline policies include all parts and ammunition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NK, yes the TSA/airline policies include all parts and ammunition.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
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		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RC #52,

BATFE defines firearms as the frame (and autosear for NFA weapons) AFAIK.  The airline or TSA might have different rules for other parts but it never hurts to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RC #52,</p>
<p>BATFE defines firearms as the frame (and autosear for NFA weapons) AFAIK.  The airline or TSA might have different rules for other parts but it never hurts to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Retired Cop</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/10/29/firearms-disappearing-from-airport-luggage/comment-page-2/#comment-295536</link>
		<dc:creator>Retired Cop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#41, By policy, there are no external markings on a bag indicating a firearm is enclosed. That does not rule out a criminal conspiracy between a TSA employee &amp; baggage handler to discreetly make bags contain guns. 

#50, The gun has to be in a locked hard sided case. You would have to open 2 bags &amp; cases at check in for inspection. 

What I don&#039;t recall is the article stating if the bags were locked or not. I always lock my bags using TSA locks, for what little good they do. I&#039;m traveling to NYC in a few weeks. We will see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#41, By policy, there are no external markings on a bag indicating a firearm is enclosed. That does not rule out a criminal conspiracy between a TSA employee &amp; baggage handler to discreetly make bags contain guns. </p>
<p>#50, The gun has to be in a locked hard sided case. You would have to open 2 bags &amp; cases at check in for inspection. </p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t recall is the article stating if the bags were locked or not. I always lock my bags using TSA locks, for what little good they do. I&#8217;m traveling to NYC in a few weeks. We will see what happens.</p>
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