Comments on: Ron Paul Takes It to the Next Level http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/ Harangues that just make sense Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:25:10 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: J. Eugene Norton http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/comment-page-4/#comment-297441 J. Eugene Norton Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:56:40 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/#comment-297441 FEAR AND LOATHING OF THE RON PAUL REBELLION Ron Paul's success, sweeping across America like wildfire, is bringing the anti-semite baiters, racist-baiters, homophobe-baiters, xenophobe-baiters, theocracy-baiters, out of their closets. To see why he such an object of fear and loathing, Google: Human Events Ron Paul Interview; and, PBS Ron Paul Interview. FEAR AND LOATHING OF THE RON PAUL REBELLION

Ron Paul’s success, sweeping across America like wildfire, is bringing the anti-semite baiters, racist-baiters, homophobe-baiters, xenophobe-baiters, theocracy-baiters, out of their closets.

To see why he such an object of fear and loathing, Google: Human Events Ron Paul Interview; and, PBS Ron Paul Interview.

]]> By: TCO http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/comment-page-4/#comment-295380 TCO Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:59:25 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/#comment-295380 Pat (61): I'll see what I can do. If you have to lower the hammer, I won't protest it. (Please don't take my behavior too hard either.) Dude: Thanks for the kind thoughts. But I can't defend cursing. (Not saying it's wrong either. I'm sort of in a silicondoc state of agnostic quantum uncertainty on it. And actually Pat is pretty urbane about allowing me to get away with a small amount of it, he just doesn't want me completely lowering the discussion or offending too many people who don't care for those words.) And btw, I AM ON PAT's side. I'm just way to the right of him and the squishy W lovers. And the only time I've seen Pat start to contest my content rather than intranet silliness was when I speculated on his being obsequious with a book review. (And it was an honest speculation...not purely a troll...but at least an idea I was exploring and possibly to some extent true.) dude and Pat: The whole bet thing is silly. Stop girl-fighting, you all. Chaos: You are a moron. You really need to bang your head against the bulkhead until great pain makes you start thinking critically. I mean THINK. Examine sides of issues. Come up with more than Rush/Hannity snippets. Disaggregate issues. Benchmark. Be analytical. (See no cursing, Pat. I gotta punish the stupid though. It's for everyone's good.) 155. Perhaps so. But at least you know the limitation, so you can weigh my statements with the lack of attention to detail in mind. Cheers--made me smile with your caricature of me. Pat (61): I’ll see what I can do. If you have to lower the hammer, I won’t protest it. (Please don’t take my behavior too hard either.)

Dude: Thanks for the kind thoughts. But I can’t defend cursing. (Not saying it’s wrong either. I’m sort of in a silicondoc state of agnostic quantum uncertainty on it. And actually Pat is pretty urbane about allowing me to get away with a small amount of it, he just doesn’t want me completely lowering the discussion or offending too many people who don’t care for those words.) And btw, I AM ON PAT’s side. I’m just way to the right of him and the squishy W lovers. And the only time I’ve seen Pat start to contest my content rather than intranet silliness was when I speculated on his being obsequious with a book review. (And it was an honest speculation…not purely a troll…but at least an idea I was exploring and possibly to some extent true.)

dude and Pat: The whole bet thing is silly. Stop girl-fighting, you all.

Chaos: You are a moron. You really need to bang your head against the bulkhead until great pain makes you start thinking critically. I mean THINK. Examine sides of issues. Come up with more than Rush/Hannity snippets. Disaggregate issues. Benchmark. Be analytical. (See no cursing, Pat. I gotta punish the stupid though. It’s for everyone’s good.)

155. Perhaps so. But at least you know the limitation, so you can weigh my statements with the lack of attention to detail in mind. Cheers–made me smile with your caricature of me.

]]> By: SiliconDoc http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/comment-page-4/#comment-295325 SiliconDoc Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:59:49 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/#comment-295325 Well what a great thread this has turned out to be. I support Patterico's challenges in the responses, he actually did a fine job defending his position, and I duly note he gave RP a fair shake in his lead. I appreciated some of what TCO said (my 1st post #67), but realize that too much harsh language is nearly always discouraged and often forbidden. I kind of lament that, as it makes sense that a person who is in real disagreement with the "groupthink" and has real points and makes them, may be frustrated and angry at what they encounter. I realize though, it can get out of control rather quickly. So what we have is a propensity for people with other opinions to be a bit harsher than regulars, and that is a natural condition. As far as the good point made about RP either being secretly wacky, or using the truthers support in a dishonest fashion, in the former one can speculate, and in the latter I don't really find it a problem. Nowadays we want our politicians to do our will, even if they are our "enemies". Maybe they are smarter than that. Maybe they don't think they should attack those that support them for whatever reason, and certainly in this case with RP, his fear of the nutters might be one of the larger factors in the way he handles things. He's kind of short, he has a girlish voice, he's rather up in age... he's clearly in danger. lol I have seen RP act in a fashion once or twice that made me think or exclaim, "What a nutjob", but upon further viewing him, I realized it might be my own interpretation of his sound bite, that could be taken several ways. Sometimes, I would say more often actually, Pelosi and Hillary appear to be nutjobs to me, as well as Kerry, only in a different fashion and form. If I addressed reporters' in a sting "are they sane", that would go agains their favor quite often of late. I think RP has some strong beliefs and is kind to following kooks. On Lew Rockwell there are some doozies on occassion. I suppose if RP totally nutters out one day on camera, many can say "I told you so", but that day hasn't come. Here's my proof: " YEAAAAAAAARRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH" HD Well what a great thread this has turned out to be. I support Patterico’s challenges in the responses, he actually did a fine job defending his position, and I duly note he gave RP a fair shake in his lead.
I appreciated some of what TCO said (my 1st post #67), but realize that too much harsh language is nearly always discouraged and often forbidden. I kind of lament that, as it makes sense that a person who is in real disagreement with the “groupthink” and has real points and makes them, may be frustrated and angry at what they encounter.
I realize though, it can get out of control rather quickly. So what we have is a propensity for people with other opinions to be a bit harsher than regulars, and that is a natural condition.
As far as the good point made about RP either being secretly wacky, or using the truthers support in a dishonest fashion, in the former one can speculate, and in the latter I don’t really find it a problem.
Nowadays we want our politicians to do our will, even if they are our “enemies”. Maybe they are smarter than that. Maybe they don’t think they should attack those that support them for whatever reason, and certainly in this case with RP, his fear of the nutters might be one of the larger factors in the way he handles things. He’s kind of short, he has a girlish voice, he’s rather up in age… he’s clearly in danger. lol
I have seen RP act in a fashion once or twice that made me think or exclaim, “What a nutjob”, but upon further viewing him, I realized it might be my own interpretation of his sound bite, that could be taken several ways.
Sometimes, I would say more often actually, Pelosi and Hillary appear to be nutjobs to me, as well as Kerry, only in a different fashion and form. If I addressed reporters’ in a sting “are they sane”, that would go agains their favor quite often of late.
I think RP has some strong beliefs and is kind to following kooks. On Lew Rockwell there are some doozies on occassion.
I suppose if RP totally nutters out one day on camera, many can say “I told you so”, but that day hasn’t come. Here’s my proof:
” YEAAAAAAAARRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH” HD

]]> By: chaos http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/comment-page-4/#comment-295273 chaos Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:51:51 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/#comment-295273 It's a faith. It’s a faith.

]]> By: B Dubya http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/comment-page-4/#comment-295267 B Dubya Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:11:56 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/#comment-295267 Besides the fact that Ron Paul seems to live an an alternate universe, his supporters are disturbing. Why do I keep catching the smell of Brown Shirts and Goebles when I read one of their reflexive responses to any form of criticism of Der Fuhrer, Herr Doktor Paul? It also reminds me of the "adoration" of the North Korean tools to The Leader.... Not many of them, but they do seem to swarm to blogs referring to their candidate. Besides the fact that Ron Paul seems to live an an alternate universe, his supporters are disturbing.
Why do I keep catching the smell of Brown Shirts and Goebles when I read one of their reflexive responses to any form of criticism of Der Fuhrer, Herr Doktor Paul? It also reminds me of the “adoration” of the North Korean tools to The Leader….
Not many of them, but they do seem to swarm to blogs referring to their candidate.

]]> By: Leviticus http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/comment-page-4/#comment-295265 Leviticus Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:48:53 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/#comment-295265 "WHAT I AM STATING IS THIS: Plenty of people on this site use colorful language. Those who disagree with Patterico and the rest of the GOP hacks on this site get threatened with immediate banning. Those who play Patterico’s game AND WHO ALSO USE COLORFUL LANGUAGE AND INSULTS, either get a complete pass or AT MOST a mild admonishment." - King Dude/a BooNut-Christian X-XI Yeah... you're wrong. I disagree with Patterico and "the rest of the GOP hacks on this site" more often than not, with "colorful language" about 50% of the time; I'm a regular left-wing commenter by any standard, and I've <b>NEVER</b> been threatened with banning (I'm not even sure I've been admonished, because I try not to cuss <i>at</i> fellow commenters - have I ever been admonished, Patterico? I don't remember... probably though: I've been in my share of pissing contests) Also, as Psyberian said, Patterico "has told rabid [right-wing] commenters to chill, so to speak, on my behalf." In yo face, pseudonym-monger. “WHAT I AM STATING IS THIS:

Plenty of people on this site use colorful language. Those who disagree with Patterico and the rest of the GOP hacks on this site get threatened with immediate banning. Those who play Patterico’s game AND WHO ALSO USE COLORFUL LANGUAGE AND INSULTS, either get a complete pass or AT MOST a mild admonishment.”

- King Dude/a BooNut-Christian X-XI

Yeah… you’re wrong. I disagree with Patterico and “the rest of the GOP hacks on this site” more often than not, with “colorful language” about 50% of the time; I’m a regular left-wing commenter by any standard, and I’ve NEVER been threatened with banning (I’m not even sure I’ve been admonished, because I try not to cuss at fellow commenters – have I ever been admonished, Patterico? I don’t remember… probably though: I’ve been in my share of pissing contests)

Also, as Psyberian said, Patterico “has told rabid [right-wing] commenters to chill, so to speak, on my behalf.”

In yo face, pseudonym-monger.

]]> By: Leviticus http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/comment-page-4/#comment-295262 Leviticus Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:31:56 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/#comment-295262 "Oh…and I don’t actually know much about Paul. Don’t really follow politics any more. Pretty turned off. " -TCO Heh. Who's the pussy now? That's intellectual laziness if I ever saw it, and the "I'm-Really-Very-Smart-But-Turned-Off-To-Politics" defense doesn't hack it in this crowd. See... there are people in this crowd that <i>aren't</i> turned off to politics, that follow politics obsessively, and that know more about Ron Paul than you can even pretend to care to imagine. “Oh…and I don’t actually know much about Paul. Don’t really follow politics any more. Pretty turned off. ”

-TCO

Heh. Who’s the pussy now?

That’s intellectual laziness if I ever saw it, and the “I’m-Really-Very-Smart-But-Turned-Off-To-Politics” defense doesn’t hack it in this crowd. See… there are people in this crowd that aren’t turned off to politics, that follow politics obsessively, and that know more about Ron Paul than you can even pretend to care to imagine.

]]> By: Paul http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/comment-page-4/#comment-295155 Paul Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:33:00 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/#comment-295155 <i><b>NOBODY</b> explains Ron Paul BETTER than Ron Paul himself!</i> But does he address any of the questions brought up by Medved? NOBODY explains Ron Paul
BETTER than Ron Paul himself!

But does he address any of the questions brought up by Medved?

]]> By: goldenequity http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/comment-page-4/#comment-295142 goldenequity Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:09:10 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/#comment-295142 Do your <b>OWN </b>homework. <b>NOBODY </b>explains Ron Paul BETTER than Ron Paul himself! Here is an interactive audio archive of Ron Paul speeches and interviews as a resource in chronological order. <a href="http://www.ronpaulaudio.com" title="" rel="nofollow">http://www.ronpaulaudio.com</a> Do your OWN homework.

NOBODY explains Ron Paul
BETTER than Ron Paul himself!

Here is an interactive audio archive of
Ron Paul speeches and interviews as a resource in chronological
order.

http://www.ronpaulaudio.com

]]> By: Paul http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/comment-page-4/#comment-295134 Paul Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:55:27 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/10/27/ron-paul-goes-to-the-next-level/#comment-295134 Say, has anybody seen this <a href="http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/" title="" rel="nofollow">Open Letter to Rep. Ron Paul</a> by Michael Medved? (emphasis mine)<blockquote>Dear Congressman Paul: Your Presidential campaign has drawn the enthusiastic support of an <b>imposing collection of Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Holocaust Deniers, 9/11 “Truthers” and other paranoid and discredited conspiracists.</b> Do you welcome- or repudiate – the support of such factions? More specifically, your columns have been featured for several years in the American Free Press –a publication of the <b>nation’s leading Holocaust Denier and anti-Semitic agitator,</b> Willis Carto. <b>His book club even recommends works that glorify the Nazi SS, and glowingly describe the “comforts and amenities” provided for inmates of Auschwitz.</b> Have your columns appeared in the American Free Press with your knowledge and approval? As a Presidential candidate, will you now disassociate yourself, clearly and publicly, from the poisonous propaganda promoted in such publications? As a guest on my syndicated radio show, you answered my questions directly and fearlessly. Will you now answer these pressing questions, and eliminate all associations between your campaign and some of the most loathsome fringe groups in American society? Along with my listeners (and many of your own supporters), I eagerly await your response. Respectfully, Michael Medved</blockquote>I've listened to Medved's show over the years. I've long admired his "Rain Man"-like grasp of facts and his ability to twist his debate opponents like pretzels. He also doesn't freely toss charges; you can bet he's done the research and can back up every syllable. Say, has anybody seen this Open Letter to Rep. Ron Paul by Michael Medved? (emphasis mine)
Dear Congressman Paul:

Your Presidential campaign has drawn the enthusiastic support of an imposing collection of Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Holocaust Deniers, 9/11 “Truthers” and other paranoid and discredited conspiracists.

Do you welcome- or repudiate – the support of such factions?

More specifically, your columns have been featured for several years in the American Free Press –a publication of the nation’s leading Holocaust Denier and anti-Semitic agitator, Willis Carto. His book club even recommends works that glorify the Nazi SS, and glowingly describe the “comforts and amenities” provided for inmates of Auschwitz.

Have your columns appeared in the American Free Press with your knowledge and approval?

As a Presidential candidate, will you now disassociate yourself, clearly and publicly, from the poisonous propaganda promoted in such publications?

As a guest on my syndicated radio show, you answered my questions directly and fearlessly.

Will you now answer these pressing questions, and eliminate all associations between your campaign and some of the most loathsome fringe groups in American society?

Along with my listeners (and many of your own supporters), I eagerly await your response.

Respectfully, Michael Medved

I’ve listened to Medved’s show over the years. I’ve long admired his “Rain Man”-like grasp of facts and his ability to twist his debate opponents like pretzels. He also doesn’t freely toss charges; you can bet he’s done the research and can back up every syllable.

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