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	<title>Comments on: New York Governor to announce Policy that may Attract lots of Immigrants</title>
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		<title>By: john plotnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>john plotnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Governor Eliot Spitzer is right, and he is a hero!&lt;/b&gt;
Those bandit and scoundrel republicans are dividing our society with scare tactics. They are trying to make our country a hatemonger country. We welcome immigrants and their contribution to our society. The Americans who claim not to have jobs and complaining are the lazy scum of our society; we are hard working proud Americans who are not afraid to help the poor and make our society a welcoming society. Governor Eliot Spitzer is a real American whom our forefathers should be proud of. I pray to God he prevails, in which case he already did. For those of you, hateful dirt(s), go join the KKK, live in a trailer somewhere in the South in remote swaps, marry your closest, and do yourself a favor; don’t pollute our welcoming state and our country with your hate speeches. After all is it not a republican who was preying on young boy interns, and the other who took his family value straight to the rest room looking for perverts at least that was told. We are God fearing good and clean Americans, not thieves and perverts.  Spitzer is right, let the poor dream as well.

Thank you, may God bless Spitzer and our country; may God give your hateful heart the scent of worship and care. And when I say worship is not worshipping the hateful rep., the overweight and ugly Congressman James Sensenbrenner, whose cholesterol level still out scores his ego and hatred. Why don’t he focus on his health and eating habits rather than scaring Americans with his inflated fear tactics, back room politics and poisons bills; he might as well go and work for groups like the K.K.K. We are a welcoming nation; we feed the poor; we pray to God; we love and respect our family, neighbors and God’s creatures. Why don’t we listen to star citizens such as the priests who devoted their lives for the good of men and God; who are telling us to be kind, why do we follow a no good liar republican politician? It simply beats logic away. Go Spitzer and alike, enough of these lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Governor Eliot Spitzer is right, and he is a hero!</b><br />
Those bandit and scoundrel republicans are dividing our society with scare tactics. They are trying to make our country a hatemonger country. We welcome immigrants and their contribution to our society. The Americans who claim not to have jobs and complaining are the lazy scum of our society; we are hard working proud Americans who are not afraid to help the poor and make our society a welcoming society. Governor Eliot Spitzer is a real American whom our forefathers should be proud of. I pray to God he prevails, in which case he already did. For those of you, hateful dirt(s), go join the KKK, live in a trailer somewhere in the South in remote swaps, marry your closest, and do yourself a favor; don’t pollute our welcoming state and our country with your hate speeches. After all is it not a republican who was preying on young boy interns, and the other who took his family value straight to the rest room looking for perverts at least that was told. We are God fearing good and clean Americans, not thieves and perverts.  Spitzer is right, let the poor dream as well.</p>
<p>Thank you, may God bless Spitzer and our country; may God give your hateful heart the scent of worship and care. And when I say worship is not worshipping the hateful rep., the overweight and ugly Congressman James Sensenbrenner, whose cholesterol level still out scores his ego and hatred. Why don’t he focus on his health and eating habits rather than scaring Americans with his inflated fear tactics, back room politics and poisons bills; he might as well go and work for groups like the K.K.K. We are a welcoming nation; we feed the poor; we pray to God; we love and respect our family, neighbors and God’s creatures. Why don’t we listen to star citizens such as the priests who devoted their lives for the good of men and God; who are telling us to be kind, why do we follow a no good liar republican politician? It simply beats logic away. Go Spitzer and alike, enough of these lies.</p>
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		<title>By: j curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>j curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All it would take is one state to say it will no longer recognize New York drivers licences, what then? 

I got to believe that several states have this exact legistlation in the works already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All it would take is one state to say it will no longer recognize New York drivers licences, what then? </p>
<p>I got to believe that several states have this exact legistlation in the works already.</p>
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		<title>By: krazy kagu</title>
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		<dc:creator>krazy kagu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big apple is getting a few more worms and the other worms are getting disgusted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big apple is getting a few more worms and the other worms are getting disgusted</p>
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		<title>By: amarc</title>
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		<dc:creator>amarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The REAL ID ACT does require that if a State issues driver’s licenses to illegal aliens, that licenses from that State will not be accepted as ID for the purposes of boarding aircraft.&quot;

It actually much more extreme. It requires that states that don&#039;t follow all the regulations made by DHS can&#039;t use their licensese for federal or travel purposes.

&quot;I don’t see Homeland Security budging on this absence an Act of Congress.&quot;

They&#039;re the ones writing the regulations and setting the deadlines.

BTW: its not just NY. Several states have decided to ignore REAL ID.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The REAL ID ACT does require that if a State issues driver’s licenses to illegal aliens, that licenses from that State will not be accepted as ID for the purposes of boarding aircraft.&#8221;</p>
<p>It actually much more extreme. It requires that states that don&#8217;t follow all the regulations made by DHS can&#8217;t use their licensese for federal or travel purposes.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t see Homeland Security budging on this absence an Act of Congress.&#8221;</p>
<p>They&#8217;re the ones writing the regulations and setting the deadlines.</p>
<p>BTW: its not just NY. Several states have decided to ignore REAL ID.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Cuomo was bad and then came Pataki. I dont know when NY is going to get smart and stop electing these guys. Spitzer is worse than both of those other clowns. The budget is a joke and now this. Cant wait to get out of this state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Cuomo was bad and then came Pataki. I dont know when NY is going to get smart and stop electing these guys. Spitzer is worse than both of those other clowns. The budget is a joke and now this. Cant wait to get out of this state.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amarc ...
The REAL ID ACT does require that if a State issues driver&#039;s licenses to illegal aliens, that licenses from that State will not be accepted as ID for the purposes of boarding aircraft.
I don&#039;t see Homeland Security budging on this absence an Act of Congress.
Plus, the airlines would have to be given immunity for ignoring a Federal law, absent that AofC.
As has been shown during his brief tenure in Albany, Spitzer is a putz; and, not a very bright on either, it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amarc &#8230;<br />
The REAL ID ACT does require that if a State issues driver&#8217;s licenses to illegal aliens, that licenses from that State will not be accepted as ID for the purposes of boarding aircraft.<br />
I don&#8217;t see Homeland Security budging on this absence an Act of Congress.<br />
Plus, the airlines would have to be given immunity for ignoring a Federal law, absent that AofC.<br />
As has been shown during his brief tenure in Albany, Spitzer is a putz; and, not a very bright on either, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Mr. Spitzer!  This ought to help home prices and welfare costs in California!

BTW how do we kow that buying insurance is mediated only by the failure to hold a license?  This story would suggest that most of the scofflaws simply don&#039;t care at all about safety or responsibility on the road.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ocregister.com/news/drivers-castro-license-1848201-driving-traffic&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Unlicensed drivers targeted&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Mr. Spitzer!  This ought to help home prices and welfare costs in California!</p>
<p>BTW how do we kow that buying insurance is mediated only by the failure to hold a license?  This story would suggest that most of the scofflaws simply don&#8217;t care at all about safety or responsibility on the road.  <a href="http://www.ocregister.com/news/drivers-castro-license-1848201-driving-traffic" title="" rel="nofollow">Unlicensed drivers targeted</a></p>
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta run, but I wanted to say I have been in Agriculture and Construction in Southern California my entire life. Which means I&#039;ve worked with illegals since 1972.
My first job when I was 15 was installing avocado orchards between Santa Barbara and Ventura counties. The Border Patrol raided the site (which was miles of bare dirt slopes) and everyone starts running... so I did too. I had no idea what was going on. I&#039;m blond, blue eyes and one of the agents comes up to me later and just starts screaming at me for screwing around with them.
The guys they caught and deported were back at work two days later.
That was 1972. Not much has changed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta run, but I wanted to say I have been in Agriculture and Construction in Southern California my entire life. Which means I&#8217;ve worked with illegals since 1972.<br />
My first job when I was 15 was installing avocado orchards between Santa Barbara and Ventura counties. The Border Patrol raided the site (which was miles of bare dirt slopes) and everyone starts running&#8230; so I did too. I had no idea what was going on. I&#8217;m blond, blue eyes and one of the agents comes up to me later and just starts screaming at me for screwing around with them.<br />
The guys they caught and deported were back at work two days later.<br />
That was 1972. Not much has changed</p>
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana... most I-9&#039;s filled out by illegals would have an SS card and an Alien ID or green card that proves the right of the alien to work legally in the US.
Those are the two most common forgeries and cheap packages are sold around MacArthur Park, Oxnard, Salinas, Fresno, Santa Ana for $50. Higher quality in the alien ID can cost over $100 and that gets the buyer a straight (not crooked) picture, a real fingerprint and a good alpha numeric sequence.
I think it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of a feeling that the cards might be faked because the holder is Mexican.

The hardest fraud to detect is legal aliens that have moved back to Mexico, or who have died in Mexico that have their identity sold. Usually to a family member, but sometimes it gets on the black market.
US citizen minor children that have been taken back to Mexico and stay can as young adults can sell their identity.
Some people use their children&#039;s real birth certificate to smuggle in a few kids a year at $5K each.

ID cards need to be scannable... credit cards do it, but they have a profit incentive and exposure to loss via fraud.
The federal governmet would probably foul the system up so bad it&#039;d make King-Drew hospital or the LA school payroll system look like model programs.

(Hijacking to health care, next time someone in LA gives Federal run health care a push, ask &#039;em if they&#039;d like to have been treated at King Drew...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana&#8230; most I-9&#8217;s filled out by illegals would have an SS card and an Alien ID or green card that proves the right of the alien to work legally in the US.<br />
Those are the two most common forgeries and cheap packages are sold around MacArthur Park, Oxnard, Salinas, Fresno, Santa Ana for $50. Higher quality in the alien ID can cost over $100 and that gets the buyer a straight (not crooked) picture, a real fingerprint and a good alpha numeric sequence.<br />
I think it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of a feeling that the cards might be faked because the holder is Mexican.</p>
<p>The hardest fraud to detect is legal aliens that have moved back to Mexico, or who have died in Mexico that have their identity sold. Usually to a family member, but sometimes it gets on the black market.<br />
US citizen minor children that have been taken back to Mexico and stay can as young adults can sell their identity.<br />
Some people use their children&#8217;s real birth certificate to smuggle in a few kids a year at $5K each.</p>
<p>ID cards need to be scannable&#8230; credit cards do it, but they have a profit incentive and exposure to loss via fraud.<br />
The federal governmet would probably foul the system up so bad it&#8217;d make King-Drew hospital or the LA school payroll system look like model programs.</p>
<p>(Hijacking to health care, next time someone in LA gives Federal run health care a push, ask &#8216;em if they&#8217;d like to have been treated at King Drew&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: amarc</title>
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		<dc:creator>amarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;NY Driver’s Licenses won’t be sufficient to get on an airplane.&quot;

Something tells me the feds will back down instead of stopping NY&#039;ers from flying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;NY Driver’s Licenses won’t be sufficient to get on an airplane.&#8221;</p>
<p>Something tells me the feds will back down instead of stopping NY&#8217;ers from flying.</p>
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