Patterico's Pontifications

9/7/2007

Hillary Clinton 2008 = Bob Dole 1996??????

Filed under: General — WLS @ 12:00 pm



[Posted by WLS]

Yes, according to Bob Novak in his column yesterday.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/09/hillarys_brier_patch.html 

Hillary has the dubious distinction, not seen since Bob Dole a dozen years ago, of having higher poll numbers in the states where she has not campaigned than in the states where she is spending a substantial amount of her time actually appearing and talking to crowds. 

Seems that the more people actually see of her, the less they like what they see.

That’s a tough way to win a nomination an election.

— WLS

22 Responses to “Hillary Clinton 2008 = Bob Dole 1996??????”

  1. So what this article actually says, WLS, is that she’s virtually a shoo-in to win because Obama can’t campaign in Michigan and Florida, but he has to campaign in Michigan and Florida?

    And out of that you concluded it’ll be tough for her to win the nomination… or do you mean she’ll win it but do poorly in the general?

    Christoph (92b8f7)

  2. Chrissy:

    Don’t despair, there’s always the cementaries and pets you can recruit. They love the Hildabeast even if most thinking people realize that Madam MacBeth is a presentative of the most corrupt, incompetent and sleazy regime ever to loot the White House.

    Thomas Jackson (bf83e0)

  3. I’m not disputing the conclusion that Novak reaches. I was merely attempting to point out the irony of her campaign. I guess the last sentence about her and the nomination is really an non-sequitur given where Novak comes out.

    WLS (077d0d)

  4. Hillary started out with high negative numbers, even among Democrats and moderates.

    And she still looks like the best of the crop this year. The Dems badly need to cultivate new leadership.

    LarryD (feb78b)

  5. I read his column a different way. In short Obama is hurt most because he has agreed to not campaign in Michigan and Florida where she has a significant lead at this point. She could survive the early primary losses and still come out ahead.

    voiceofreason (a3f785)

  6. I guess Hillary Dole is lucky she will be facing a Republican candidate who will make Bob Dole look like Ronald Reagan next year.

    alphie (99bc18)

  7. I guess Hillary Dole is lucky she will be facing a Republican candidate who will make Bob Dole look like Ronald Reagan next year.

    Any one of them is at least ten times smarter than you, Staunch Brayer. Which makes your opinion of their intellectual acumen dubious at best.

    Paul (5efd01)

  8. Paul,

    With the possible exception of Rudy, none of the Republican candidates are making me reconsider my plan to vote for a Democrat(any Democrat) for only the second time in thirty years.

    I’ll be a free agent in 2012 though, when the fumigation should be complete.

    alphie (99bc18)

  9. none of the Republican candidates are making me reconsider my plan to vote for a Democrat

    No way! Say it isn’t so!

    I thought you were kidding us with all that leftist-tripe-passed-off-as-argument comments and that you were a Hard-Core-Conservative-to-the-bone Republican, Staunch Brayer.

    Paul (5efd01)

  10. Haha, Paul,

    Big government Republicans who accuse anyone opposed to their costly social experiments of being a “leftist” is always good for a chuckle.

    Bill balanced the budget.

    Bush didn’t.

    Real “conservatives” should vote for Bill’s wife, not Bush’s understudies.

    alphie (99bc18)

  11. Shouldn’t you be in the studio Moby?

    Robin Roberts (1da0d5)

  12. […] H/T: Patterico’s Pontifications […]

    Novak Recognizes the Obvious « Axis of Right (6365e4)

  13. Where are all of these freakin’ Moby’s coming from? There has been one at practically every site I have looked at today.

    JD (f6a000)

  14. Alphie, the House of Representatives handles the budget. Clinton didn’t balance it, Newt Gingrich did. That’s not to say the GOP didn’t royally falter after the mid 90s to spend far too much, but Bill didn’t balance the budget and in fact complained quite a bit about the thriftiness of that congress.

    If you don’t like republicans, don’t vote for them. But don’t pretend that the Dems are going to spend less money than the Republicans. That’s insane. Perhaps you can punish the GOP for spending money right now, but that seems ill-advised considering the war on terror and how a lot of this spending is in fact a way to placate democrats to further the aims of the war.

    Dustin (aba75b)

  15. Big government Republicans who accuse anyone opposed to their costly social experiments of being a “leftist” is always good for a chuckle.

    Bill balanced the budget.

    Bush didn’t.

    Real “conservatives” should vote for Bill’s wife, not Bush’s understudies.

    Thanks for once again proving your deservedness of your mantle, Staunch Brayer.

    Paul (5efd01)

  16. Echoing Christoph, could it be that she’s merely concentrating on building support in the states in which she is less popular?

    Patterico (6389d5)

  17. I think it could very well be, Patrick.

    Paul (5efd01)

  18. Hillary is not at all like Bob Dole. Almost everyone respected Bob Dole. They just didn’t see him as being of presidential caliber, and he was running against an incumbent who had all the charisma he lacked.

    It’s almost the reverse with Hillary: they see her as presidential caliber, but they don’t respect her on the grounds of integrity, etc. And they know that the fervid anti-Clintonites will be up and running from the moment she’s nominated–even the ones (or especially the ones) who really believe in the vast right wing network.

    The problem for the GOP is to get a candidate who can convert the “I don’t want Hillary” fervor into “I do want [insert eventual GOP nominee here]” fervor, while at the same time proving themselves to be something other than Bush’s understudies (to use Alphie’s phrase) so that they dilute the appeal of the Democratic program (which is bound to be “NOT Bush”) in 2008.

    BTW, since Alphie is confessing that he will be voting as a Democrat, I guess we can no longer call him Stauch. He must revert to plain Brayer.

    kishnevi (5784dc)

  19. I will never let him forget his identifying himself as a Republican while displaying his high-level expertise in the fine art of moonbraying.

    So Staunch Brayer it is.

    Paul (5efd01)

  20. I believe that Hillary is using The Machine. The Democratic Party Regular Organization and not the popular and quirky vote. It’s what got her husband the nomination in 1992. Low turnout and palm cards.

    nk (a6ecc6)

  21. Paul:

    Just consider for a moment tht only twice in the past 30 years has Alphie not voted the straight Communist Party line. He found a Dhimmierat candidate who was even more a dogmatic Marxist than the Communists could run in the dhimmierats.

    Things are looking up. Especially when Alphie doesn’t have to post as ADA, his sock puppet alter ego.

    Thomas Jackson (bf83e0)

  22. The Shrillary is very vulnerable to the corruption charges. It’s not just a man named Hsu. But Loral and all the rest, plus BCCI, the Pakistani guy, and a few more shoes dropping.

    Feds nabbed Hsu (passengers on the Silver Streak spotted him haha and called on their cell phones). So he’s got to talk or face some serious prison time. Including I suppose who was leaned on in California to very pointed NOT look for him anywhere. And give him bail after he jumped bail the first time.

    Guy’s money comes from somewhere. Very likely China.

    Dems could end up with Shrillary as the nominee and her Queen Beeness indicted on corruption, payola, and foreign bribery charges. Being on China’s pad is bad for getting elected.

    Meanwhile Rudy’s appeal is that he’ll twist arms in the bureaucracy to get things done. It won’t be pretty and the press will complain, but he’ll get things done. Romney’s appeal is that he’s a good manager and doesn’t pick needless fights with Democrats. Thompson that he’s a Washington insider who wants CHANGE (knows where the bodies are buried and what levers to pull).

    All vastly different from each other and GWB who remains a Washington outsider.

    Kicker: something like almost half of Dems are Truthers. Making it easy (along with Osama’s video echoing Dems) to paint them as lunatic traitors.

    Here’s an easy attack ad: Put Shrillary or whoever is the nominee saying things, followed by Osama saying the EXACT SAME THINGS. Or families who lost people on 9/11 calling out Dem Truthers (and the Shrillary or other nominee ties to the Truthers).

    Jim Rockford (e09923)


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