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	<title>Comments on: Disgraced Officials, Times Two</title>
	<link>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/</link>
	<description>Harangues that just make sense</description>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280854</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 08:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280854</guid>
		<description>The important thing about the Nifong contempt is that it put another criminal act on his record. It's significance is the part it will play in the civil cases against Nifong. The length of the penalty was not important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The important thing about the Nifong contempt is that it put another criminal act on his record. It&#8217;s significance is the part it will play in the civil cases against Nifong. The length of the penalty was not important.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280594</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280594</guid>
		<description>NK wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I am at home surfing the blogs on a Friday evening, my wife and daughter being out to dinner with friends without me, because I replaced the switches on the sump pump and water ejection system and put in a new garage door, and even after a long shower I am not fit for human company.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Does the dog at least still like you?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NK wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I am at home surfing the blogs on a Friday evening, my wife and daughter being out to dinner with friends without me, because I replaced the switches on the sump pump and water ejection system and put in a new garage door, and even after a long shower I am not fit for human company.</p></blockquote>
<p>Does the dog at least still like you?  <img src='http://patterico.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280592</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280592</guid>
		<description>DRJ wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m being so hard on Craig because his legal problems were avoidable. The charge could have easily been challenged but Craig’s response emboldened the police to overreach. That leaves me with two options: Assume Craig was guilty and he knew it, or assume Craig was spineless and hoped he could make it go away. Neither option gives me confidence in him as a person or a Senator.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Well, in thirty days, he won't be one anymore.

But the whole incident reveals the problem: he might have been able to win the legal fight, but it would have been all over the papers -- and he'd have been exposed, with the same consequences as happened to him today.  By not fighting, he had at least a miniscule hope that this would slide under the radar, and be missed completely.

Larry Craig &lt;i&gt;knew&lt;/i&gt; that there were people who were trying to expose him as a closeted homosexual, and he felt such a compulsion that he went ahead with this anyway.  How freaking &lt;i&gt;stupid&lt;/i&gt; does he have to be?

As for Mr Nifong, he got one stinking day in jail, for actions which cost three innocent men and their families thousands upon thousands of dollars, cost two of them their admissions to Duke, cost a highly ranked team its season, cost the coach his job, and which has ruined the future careers of the three accused players.

One stinking day.  Heck, Paris Hilton did 23 days, and she never abused a government office or hurt anybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DRJ wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m being so hard on Craig because his legal problems were avoidable. The charge could have easily been challenged but Craig’s response emboldened the police to overreach. That leaves me with two options: Assume Craig was guilty and he knew it, or assume Craig was spineless and hoped he could make it go away. Neither option gives me confidence in him as a person or a Senator.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, in thirty days, he won&#8217;t be one anymore.</p>
<p>But the whole incident reveals the problem: he might have been able to win the legal fight, but it would have been all over the papers &#8212; and he&#8217;d have been exposed, with the same consequences as happened to him today.  By not fighting, he had at least a miniscule hope that this would slide under the radar, and be missed completely.</p>
<p>Larry Craig <i>knew</i> that there were people who were trying to expose him as a closeted homosexual, and he felt such a compulsion that he went ahead with this anyway.  How freaking <i>stupid</i> does he have to be?</p>
<p>As for Mr Nifong, he got one stinking day in jail, for actions which cost three innocent men and their families thousands upon thousands of dollars, cost two of them their admissions to Duke, cost a highly ranked team its season, cost the coach his job, and which has ruined the future careers of the three accused players.</p>
<p>One stinking day.  Heck, Paris Hilton did 23 days, and she never abused a government office or hurt anybody.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Drew</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280577</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280577</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;The British - the freaking British - are better at this stuff than we are.
&lt;/i&gt;

Well, they have had more practice, haven't they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The British - the freaking British - are better at this stuff than we are.<br />
</i></p>
<p>Well, they have had more practice, haven&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Wishard</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280496</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Wishard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280496</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yeah, I know, Bill Clinton said the sex wasn’t sex. But let’s face it, it was.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, but it was fumbling, guilt-ridden, almost superstitious sex that shames the United States in the eyes of the world.  A Methodist minister with a heart condition would have done a better job.  A couple of 17th century Puritans fornicating in a haystack could have done a better job.

Compare that British Army officer who nailed the Princess of Wales.  The British - &lt;i&gt;the freaking British&lt;/i&gt; - are better at this stuff than we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah, I know, Bill Clinton said the sex wasn’t sex. But let’s face it, it was.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, but it was fumbling, guilt-ridden, almost superstitious sex that shames the United States in the eyes of the world.  A Methodist minister with a heart condition would have done a better job.  A couple of 17th century Puritans fornicating in a haystack could have done a better job.</p>
<p>Compare that British Army officer who nailed the Princess of Wales.  The British - <i>the freaking British</i> - are better at this stuff than we are.</p>
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		<title>By: atmama</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280421</link>
		<dc:creator>atmama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 06:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280421</guid>
		<description>agree 100% with DRJ#8.  Craig collapsed and why? One has to wonder.  This renders him an impotent leader (pardon the expession) and 'tis better to replace him now.

No comparison to att'y Nifong who totally abused his position as a prosecutor and devastated three lives maybe four because of his reprehensible complacency in the lies of the girl who cried rape.  He is by far the worst of the two.

Craig just has an achilles heel--which he apparently let move to far over into the next bathroom stall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agree 100% with DRJ#8.  Craig collapsed and why? One has to wonder.  This renders him an impotent leader (pardon the expession) and &#8217;tis better to replace him now.</p>
<p>No comparison to att&#8217;y Nifong who totally abused his position as a prosecutor and devastated three lives maybe four because of his reprehensible complacency in the lies of the girl who cried rape.  He is by far the worst of the two.</p>
<p>Craig just has an achilles heel&#8211;which he apparently let move to far over into the next bathroom stall.</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280373</link>
		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 03:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280373</guid>
		<description>NK,

I'm being so hard on Craig because his legal problems were avoidable.  The charge could have easily been challenged but Craig's response emboldened the police to overreach.  That leaves me with two options:  Assume Craig was guilty and he knew it, or assume Craig was spineless and hoped he could make it go away.  Neither option gives me confidence in him as a person or a Senator.  

As for my plans tonight, we did what we always do on a Fall Friday night in West Texas - high school football.  It was a blowout so we came home early.  The good and the bad about small towns is there isn't that much to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NK,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m being so hard on Craig because his legal problems were avoidable.  The charge could have easily been challenged but Craig&#8217;s response emboldened the police to overreach.  That leaves me with two options:  Assume Craig was guilty and he knew it, or assume Craig was spineless and hoped he could make it go away.  Neither option gives me confidence in him as a person or a Senator.  </p>
<p>As for my plans tonight, we did what we always do on a Fall Friday night in West Texas - high school football.  It was a blowout so we came home early.  The good and the bad about small towns is there isn&#8217;t that much to do.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280364</link>
		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 02:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280364</guid>
		<description>To lighten up one more degree, I copied the following from Instapundit (I know, coals to Newcastle, but it's funny):

I realize that there are things missing in this analysis, and of course the biggest problem is that it does not involve actual sex, but the perception of sex. In that respect, Craig's "sex" is like the nonexistent sex of Mark Foley, whose crime was not sex, but sending suggestive emails. (Or Vitter, whose name was found in an address book.) . . . 

What is it with these guys that they can't even run a proper sex scandal? 

Who ever heard of sex scandals without sex? 

At least when the Democrats have a sex scandal, it involves real, honest to goodness sex. Yeah, I know, Bill Clinton said the sex wasn't sex. But let's face it, it was. Had Bill tapped Monica's foot, the most he'd have been accused of was playing footsie, and there'd have been little to no outcry, much less an impeachment. And as Matthew Sheffield makes clear, the double standard is appalling; Democrats keep their jobs after drowning women in cars or keeping male brothels, while Republicans are hounded out of office for sex scandals without even the component of sex. 

If I were the American people, I'd be totally sick of sexless Republican sex scandals by now. 

The GOP needs to shape up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To lighten up one more degree, I copied the following from Instapundit (I know, coals to Newcastle, but it&#8217;s funny):</p>
<p>I realize that there are things missing in this analysis, and of course the biggest problem is that it does not involve actual sex, but the perception of sex. In that respect, Craig&#8217;s &#8220;sex&#8221; is like the nonexistent sex of Mark Foley, whose crime was not sex, but sending suggestive emails. (Or Vitter, whose name was found in an address book.) . . . </p>
<p>What is it with these guys that they can&#8217;t even run a proper sex scandal? </p>
<p>Who ever heard of sex scandals without sex? </p>
<p>At least when the Democrats have a sex scandal, it involves real, honest to goodness sex. Yeah, I know, Bill Clinton said the sex wasn&#8217;t sex. But let&#8217;s face it, it was. Had Bill tapped Monica&#8217;s foot, the most he&#8217;d have been accused of was playing footsie, and there&#8217;d have been little to no outcry, much less an impeachment. And as Matthew Sheffield makes clear, the double standard is appalling; Democrats keep their jobs after drowning women in cars or keeping male brothels, while Republicans are hounded out of office for sex scandals without even the component of sex. </p>
<p>If I were the American people, I&#8217;d be totally sick of sexless Republican sex scandals by now. </p>
<p>The GOP needs to shape up.</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280359</link>
		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 02:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280359</guid>
		<description>BTW:

I am at home surfing the blogs on a Friday evening, my wife and daughter being out to dinner with friends without me, because I replaced the switches on the sump pump and water ejection system and put in a new garage door, and even after a long shower I am not fit for human company.  What's your reason?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW:</p>
<p>I am at home surfing the blogs on a Friday evening, my wife and daughter being out to dinner with friends without me, because I replaced the switches on the sump pump and water ejection system and put in a new garage door, and even after a long shower I am not fit for human company.  What&#8217;s your reason?</p>
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		<title>By: nk</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280358</link>
		<dc:creator>nk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 02:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/08/31/disgraced-officials-times-two/#comment-280358</guid>
		<description>Thank you, DRJ.  On the issue of the plea, I am not inclined to be kind to Craig.  It was disgraceful.  That was a fight he should have fought to the death if only for the sake of his family whom he talks about so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, DRJ.  On the issue of the plea, I am not inclined to be kind to Craig.  It was disgraceful.  That was a fight he should have fought to the death if only for the sake of his family whom he talks about so much.</p>
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