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	<title>Comments on: Bratton vs. Parks: No Contest</title>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/05/31/bratton-vs-parks-no-contest/#comment-265905</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 03:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, good news...I guess email is the only way the silent majority will voice their support.  Thank goodness for that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, good news&#8230;I guess email is the only way the silent majority will voice their support.  Thank goodness for that!</p>
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		<title>By: juandos</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/05/31/bratton-vs-parks-no-contest/#comment-265899</link>
		<dc:creator>juandos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm so crime has gone down in L.A., eh?

According to the &lt;a href="http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/prelim06/t4al_ca.htm" title="" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;b&gt;FBI numbers&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; the drop isn't impressive but its a bit of a drop none the less...

Still has L.A. made any headway in dealing with &lt;a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7244879/site/newsweek" title="" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;b&gt;MS-13&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm so crime has gone down in L.A., eh?</p>
<p>According to the <a href="http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/prelim06/t4al_ca.htm" title="" rel="nofollow"><b>FBI numbers</b></a> the drop isn&#8217;t impressive but its a bit of a drop none the less&#8230;</p>
<p>Still has L.A. made any headway in dealing with <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7244879/site/newsweek" title="" rel="nofollow"><b>MS-13</b></a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean P, LAPD Officers were not, "angry at Parks almost off the bat", to the contrary most were happy that we got rid of Willie Williams and return to having an LAPD Officer in charge. And yes we were upset that he was against the compressed work schedule, (something that virtually every big city police, fire and E.R department have by the way, so maybe being against it is not quite so reasonable). But what finally turned most Officers against him was he made it impossible to do your job without running the risk of being disciplined, ruining your career or getting fired. We were more afraid of being attacked by our own department then being attacked by the bad guys. 

Yes Patricia, crime has fallen to the extent that Bratton has said. I agree totally with Jack Dunphy's view of the Chief but I will give him credit where it is due, and crime has fallen on his watch.

Gary S, yes it is possible to have a good Chief in LA, and I think Bratton was a good Chief who started off well. This is the second biggest city in the nation with a nationally recognized police force, even if the city refuses to acknowledge it. That is attractive to the ambitious but also the committed. There are many good leaders who would be happy to take the reins. Ultimately though, it is up to the citizens of this city as to what type of leadership and police force they will have. If those who are "pro police" stand up and are counted, the department will thrive. Unfortunately, those who supposedly support this department have been MIA for a long time and that means those who are anti LAPD are running the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean P, LAPD Officers were not, &#8220;angry at Parks almost off the bat&#8221;, to the contrary most were happy that we got rid of Willie Williams and return to having an LAPD Officer in charge. And yes we were upset that he was against the compressed work schedule, (something that virtually every big city police, fire and E.R department have by the way, so maybe being against it is not quite so reasonable). But what finally turned most Officers against him was he made it impossible to do your job without running the risk of being disciplined, ruining your career or getting fired. We were more afraid of being attacked by our own department then being attacked by the bad guys. </p>
<p>Yes Patricia, crime has fallen to the extent that Bratton has said. I agree totally with Jack Dunphy&#8217;s view of the Chief but I will give him credit where it is due, and crime has fallen on his watch.</p>
<p>Gary S, yes it is possible to have a good Chief in LA, and I think Bratton was a good Chief who started off well. This is the second biggest city in the nation with a nationally recognized police force, even if the city refuses to acknowledge it. That is attractive to the ambitious but also the committed. There are many good leaders who would be happy to take the reins. Ultimately though, it is up to the citizens of this city as to what type of leadership and police force they will have. If those who are &#8220;pro police&#8221; stand up and are counted, the department will thrive. Unfortunately, those who supposedly support this department have been MIA for a long time and that means those who are anti LAPD are running the show.</p>
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		<title>By: GaryS</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/05/31/bratton-vs-parks-no-contest/#comment-265893</link>
		<dc:creator>GaryS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 01:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think it's even possible for LA to have a good chief?  Given all the political pandering to assorted "ethnic" groups, oversight by dedicated left-wing judges, the political aspirations of Villa*** (won't bother to look it up), and all the rest, anyone top notch probably wouldn't touch the job with a ten foot pole.  

Put another way, per Catch 22, anyone who would want the job in probably not up to doing a good job.  And anybody good would be unlikely to get it anyway in the insane political environment here.

I live in the area, but fortunately not in LA itself.  I don't know who to pity more, the officers or the citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think it&#8217;s even possible for LA to have a good chief?  Given all the political pandering to assorted &#8220;ethnic&#8221; groups, oversight by dedicated left-wing judges, the political aspirations of Villa*** (won&#8217;t bother to look it up), and all the rest, anyone top notch probably wouldn&#8217;t touch the job with a ten foot pole.  </p>
<p>Put another way, per Catch 22, anyone who would want the job in probably not up to doing a good job.  And anybody good would be unlikely to get it anyway in the insane political environment here.</p>
<p>I live in the area, but fortunately not in LA itself.  I don&#8217;t know who to pity more, the officers or the citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 00:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So do you think crime has fallen to the extent that Bratton and Villar are touting today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So do you think crime has fallen to the extent that Bratton and Villar are touting today?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 23:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a lot of difficulty rooting for the LAPD as far as its feud with Parks. If I'm not mistaken, officers were angry at him almost off the bat because he rejected a union demand for flex-time, fearing that having overworked cops on the street at the end of a 12 hour shift might be less effective than cops at the end of an eight hour shift. Seemed like a reasonable position to me, but the union never forgave him for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lot of difficulty rooting for the LAPD as far as its feud with Parks. If I&#8217;m not mistaken, officers were angry at him almost off the bat because he rejected a union demand for flex-time, fearing that having overworked cops on the street at the end of a 12 hour shift might be less effective than cops at the end of an eight hour shift. Seemed like a reasonable position to me, but the union never forgave him for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 22:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would hope by now that the LAPD is taping all these events. I know the other side is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would hope by now that the LAPD is taping all these events. I know the other side is.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Kellogg</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/05/31/bratton-vs-parks-no-contest/#comment-265843</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 20:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people need their lights punched out. Now I saw a news story recently about two cops who just plain lost it, each in separate incidents. Other cops said they did wrong. But, that doesn't mean all incidents where a police officer uses force or intimidation are not justified.

I don't know the particulars of the cases you mentioned. I do know that sometimes a person does have to do things that hurt another person. That's life. Parks is making life harder for police officers around the country with his statements and behavior. Let's hope he gets his comeuppance in a most convincing manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people need their lights punched out. Now I saw a news story recently about two cops who just plain lost it, each in separate incidents. Other cops said they did wrong. But, that doesn&#8217;t mean all incidents where a police officer uses force or intimidation are not justified.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the particulars of the cases you mentioned. I do know that sometimes a person does have to do things that hurt another person. That&#8217;s life. Parks is making life harder for police officers around the country with his statements and behavior. Let&#8217;s hope he gets his comeuppance in a most convincing manner.</p>
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