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5/30/2007

“Deport the Criminals First” — Part One of an Ongoing Series

Filed under: Deport the Criminals First,General,Immigration — Patterico @ 12:00 am

[“Deport the Criminals First” is a new recurring feature on this blog, highlighting crimes committed by illegal immigrants — with a special focus on repeat offenders. I argue that, instead of arresting illegal immigrants who work hard for a living, we should use our limited immigration enforcement resources to target illegal immigrants who commit crimes in this country — especially violent crimes.]

As regular readers know, I have repeatedly argued that our federal government should devote all its ICE agents (at least those not working on border enforcement) to the task of identifying and deporting those illegal aliens who commit crimes while in this country. In my view, it is outrageous that we would use a single ICE agent to arrest someone working hard for a living, while countless thousands of illegals sit in county jails and state prisons — their illegal immigrant status unknown, waiting to be released onto the streets once their sentences are completed.

This seems like an utter no-brainer to me — but no matter how much I talk about it, the policy isn’t getting implemented. I recently read a Steve Lopez column in which a pro-illegal immigration activist argued that (as Lopez put it) “the tone of the debate has been and will continue to be changed by humanizing it.” I promised to try to “humanize” the problem of crime committed by illegal immigrant criminals, by seeking out and reporting stories of crimes that would have been prevented by pursuing my “deport the criminals first” policy.

This is another in my ongoing series of anecdotes about crimes that could have been prevented by simply following my policy.

Today’s example is very poignant: a law enforcement officer gunned down by an illegal immigrant with a long rap sheet — someone who should have been deported several times over:

KENOSHA – The man now charged with killing Kenosha County Sheriff’s Deputy Frank Fabiano is an illegal immigrant with a long criminal record.

Despite a rap sheet going back six years, Ezeiquiel Lopez was never deported. Only after he was charged with killing Fabiano did anyone try to have him kicked out of this country.

Lopez, 44, is accused of murdering the 17-year sheriff’s department veteran while high on cocaine. Lopez’s history with the law dates back to 2001, when he was arrested in Utah for lewd and lascivious conduct.

In 2003, he was arrested in Texas on a gun charge.

In 2003, Lopez was picked up in Missouri for driving drunk.

In 2004, Kenosha police arrested him on charges of domestic battery, disorderly conduct and bail jumping.

And yet, this is the first time immigration enforcement had heard of him. “We can find no record of having had contact with this individual before or having had him referred to us by another law enforcement agency,” said Tim Counts of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

While immigration officials were busy raiding businesses and arresting hardworking illegals, Ezeiquiel Lopez committed crime after crime after crime — and nobody ever bothered to check his status in jail.

Kenosha County Sheriff’s Deputy Frank Fabiano is dead as a result.

deputy-fabiano.jpg

Here’s the kicker:

In court on Friday, Lopez said nothing. But a fellow inmate at the jail said Lopez had plenty to say Thursday night.

“He was saying ‘I’ll kill another one of you guys, give me a chance and I’ll kill another one of you guys,’” said the inmate, who wanted to remain anonymous.

We’ve given him plenty of chances already. Why shouldn’t we give him another?

78 Responses to ““Deport the Criminals First” — Part One of an Ongoing Series”

  1. I agree that deportation of criminal illegals should be a top priority, but the problem with this currently is that it’s so easy for them to come right back. The border is a joke, except for the few spots that have good fencing. Unless Mexico, or whoever, puts these people in their own jails, or we get the fence built, this policy would in effect amount to catch-and-release.

    Agrifolia (f6ecc4)

  2. I think if you investigate the raids on the so called people working hard for a living were instigated by some illegal activity on the part of the illegals as well as illegal activity by the employer. I many cases it is identity theft, in others document fraud. We do agree on concentrating on going after criminals first, but with an open border why bother, they just sneak back in in a week or two

    rpk (1db44f)

  3. Bush blew this one, doesn’t really understand the problem, does he?

    “A lot of Americans are skeptical about immigration reform, primarily because they don’t think the government can fix the problems,” Bush said.

    Nope, not even close. Most Americans are skeptical about immigration reform primarily because they don’t think the government WILL fix the problem.

    The information that can be obtained from one sentence is astounding.

    10ksnooker (26027c)

  4. An illegal drunk driver caused a 5-car pileup and killed a lady in Carson a couple of days ago. link.

    You’d think that the illegals would be on their best behavior for at least this week since the Senate is currently looking at the amnesty bill.

    Agrifolia (f6ecc4)

  5. When I ran the trauma center, we had illegals in there all the time who had been injured in some illegal activity, usually drunk driving. The immigration people were NEVER interested in them but that is only fair because the sheriff wasn’t interested either. The felons admitted to the trauma center were not in custody. If they had been arrested, the sheriff would have been responsible for the medical bill. Consequently, most who could walk disappeared the day before they were scheduled for discharge. The sheriff usually planned to arrest them as they were discharged from the hospital but the crooks were not that dumb. I never saw anybody interested in illegals.

    Mike K (86bddb)

  6. Why don’t we contract with Mexico to jail their bad guys at about 20% of what it costs in this country. I would bet that if a Mexican illegal knew that his jail time was going to be spent in a mexican prison he would have second thoughts. After their sentence is served they would be released down there with the threat of longer hard time each time he returns. I would pay to watch the ACLU argue civil rights in a mexican court.

    Ray Simpson (ffddf3)

  7. Agrifolia make a good point, deporting the illegals who have committed additional crimes doesn’t actually accomplish anything.

    Of course, I believe that the Pareto principle applies to criminology too, i.e., a small core of repeat offenders commits most of the crimes, lock them away and lo, the crime rate drops. Hence, lock the blasted offender up, when they’ve server their sentence, then you can deport them.

    LarryD (feb78b)

  8. Oh, Patterco, the reason we want enforcement of the immigration laws in the work place is to attack the incentive the illegals have to illegally come here in the first place. Eliminate that, and they’ll stop coming, at least in such huge numbers. (Since we can’t fix the economic situation in Mexico. Not without conquering Mexico, anyway.) In fact, eliminate the incentive and a lot of them will go home, and we won’t have to try and deport them. And maybe that’ll force the Mexican ruling class to improve opportunity back in Mexico, in order to forstall a revolution.

    LarryD (feb78b)

  9. “the reason we want enforcement of the immigration laws in the work place is to attack the incentive the illegals have to illegally come here in the first place.”

    But we can’t do that without eliminating the economic freedom and wealth we enjoy in this country. Because that’s the real incentive.

    I fully agree that we should eliminate the incentives that end up bringing immigrants who turn into public-service-consuming freeloaders. That’s just good policy — such programs are just as likely to turn Americans into freeloaders.

    But after eliminating those programs, you’ll still always have a huge incentive for immigrants to come to America, because of our wealth and economic freedom. And that’s not a bad thing.

    Phil (427875)

  10. Phil, what I’m talking about is the requirement of the employer to check the legal residency of employee-applicants. Right now they can skate by on just looking at a forged green card (I was told to bring my birth certificate or passport to my last job interview). A database for the employer to check against, and notification of INS of suspect documents, is what I’m thinking of. When an illegal has trouble getting a job, and runs the risk of getting caught by applying for one, the incentive to illegally come here is greatly reduced.

    Also, I want everyone to stop avoiding the illegal immigration status issue in dealing with any type of criminal, but that’s a separate item.

    LarryD (feb78b)

  11. The convicts will return the day after you deport them. They will also have a stealth advantage that other released convicts do not have because those citizen criminals are kept track of to some extent.

    J Curtis (ecc9cc)

  12. we should use our limited immigration enforcement resources to target illegal immigrants who commit crimes in this country — especially violent crimes.]

    Amen! And if they return, send them back again.

    If we refuse to secure our borders or stop immigration, the ultimate solution to the problem of increasing populations in the Third World versus our declining population, is increased legal immigration and, more importantly, assimilation into our way of life, not the reverse.

    For people like Lindsey Graham who accuse us of bigotry, open it up as follows:

    Set up immigration centers in our consulates around the world. If you pass the background check and medical test, take the class and pass the English test and the American culture test, you can come to America on a green card.

    Patricia (824fa1)

  13. As much as I despise frivolous lawsuits, could this be a case of wrongful death. Sue all the police departments that had arrested the man, then find out if they had ever contacted ICE, and if they had add ICE to the suit.

    Andrew Whelan (15b697)

  14. Here’s Some Doable Immigration Reform…

    As our Pres continues to try and drum up support for the weirdly large and dangerously flawed Immigration Bill currently pending in Congress, and as our representatives and senators get more than many earfuls from their constituencies demanding that &#…

    'Okie' on the Lam (e2cef7)

  15. Deport the illegals to the worker’s paradise of Cuba. Castro needs the cheap labor and the illegals will not be coming back to America anytime soon.

    Perfect Sense (b6ec8c)

  16. Patrica, the US fertility rate is almost steady state. We need very little immigration to maintain our population level. Unlike Europe, who is now suffering from the social and political problems of importing workers. And thanks to the muticulturalists, way too few of the immigrants, especially the illegal ones, are assimilating.

    We don’t need immigration to maintain our workforce.

    We do need to assimilate all those who immigrate here.

    Given the large amount of un-assimilated immigrants here, we’re probably going to have to reduce our total immigration levels for years, and get a lot pickier about who we let immigrate. The usual suspects will oppose all of this, of course.

    And no “guest” worker programs.

    LarryD (feb78b)

  17. Honestly? Here’s a simple solution…

    Post some signs in spanish that say “Tresspassers will be shot” at the boarder, and then shoot to kill any who step across the boarder. If a Mexican army unit fires some shots over the boarder, move in, wipe them out, and then come back.

    Only a month or two would solve the whole “illegal entry” thing.

    Scott Jacobs (90eabe)

  18. All the ranting and grand plans above will go absolutely nowhere until you deal with one of the major reasons why we have illegal immigration: massive PoliticalCorruption. When politicians are forced to choose between their current course and their political careers, things will change.

    For example, if TonyVillar knew he couldn’t both support illegal immigration and continue to have enough political clout to be mayor, which do you think he’d choose? I’m pretty sure he’d choose the latter, and in that case, Patterico’s grand plan might actually happen.

    But, until you address that underlying issue, things will continue as they are now.

    So, how do you do that? You start completely discrediting illegal immigration supporters, asking them tough questions designed to reveal their lies. Then, you publicize that. If you do that with enough politicians, things will change dramatically.

    Rather than spending your time coming up with grand plans, concentrate on trying to come up with raw material for Youtube.

    Do this to solve the problem (cc42f6)

  19. Honestly? Here’s a simple solution…

    Post some signs in spanish that say “Tresspassers will be shot” at the boarder, and then shoot to kill any who step across the boarder. If a Mexican army unit fires some shots over the boarder, move in, wipe them out, and then come back.

    Only a month or two would solve the whole “illegal entry” thing.

    Amen

    Put the heads on pikes facing Mexico. The problem would end sooner than one month. Minefields on the border would also work.

    Why should ANYONE who is not a US citizen or resident alien have any constitutional protections at all?

    Mitch (a549f7)

  20. Let’s go one step further. Invite the Mexican President to DC, and inform him that unless he takes action to stop the migration north – including posting troops on the border of the US and Mexico, and Guatemala and Mexico, we will send hit squads to Mexico to take out Cabinet members, and heads of those families that are the true powers in that country. The flow would stop immediately.

    Harsh? Yes. But effective. Face it, we’re being invaded.

    Mitch (a549f7)

  21. Why should ANYONE who is not a US citizen or resident alien have any constitutional protections at all?

    When they come here illegally, they shouldn’t. Period. The constitution is for citizens and those here with permission. To be here via any other means is to say that you don’t care about the law of the land.

    End of story.

    Did you know the Mexican Govt tightly controls their southern boarder? They don’t like people coming in without permission either.

    Why should we do anything less than what they do to hold the line at their boarders?

    Scott Jacobs (90eabe)

  22. The fence will solve about as much as we can solve without really intrusive identity issues. The people who want to come here to work are not as big a problem as the young men who go back and forth all the time. They will be stopped by a fence and they are the criminals and the drunks. Read Victor Davis Hanson’s book “Mexifornia.” He describes the same phenomena I saw in thirty years at LA County Hospital and in Orange County in a trauma center. These people have not finished grade school, let alone high school. They are illiterate in Spanish for crissakes ! There is no way they will contribute to a 21st century economy. Besides, there are lots of educated people around the world who would love to live here and would really contribute. I teach some of them as medical students.

    Mike K (6d4fc3)

  23. Great idea for a series, Patterico. Hope it drives traffic, and hope that traffic doesn’t read about “heads on pikes at the boarder” (sic). (sic…kening, actually.

    This really is low-hanging fruit for enforcement. Get a bunch of governors to demand federal deportation of their illegal inmates. Schedule to release them all on one day in a public place and get the news cameras out there, a bunch of thugs leaving prison busses, off to commit more crimes. Or the state could release them all at once right at a border zone, strongly suggest that they cross that border and see what the Governor of Baja California Norte does. Could be good publicity.

    carlitos (b38ae1)

  24. Immigration Bill Not So Popular…

    Oopsie, it seems that three out of four people aren’t buying the Senate Illegal Immigration bullshit Bill. (H/t to Hot Air.) So President Bush recently attacked opponents of the bill:“If you want to scare the American people, what you say…

    Cop The Truth (72c8fd)

  25. hope that traffic doesn’t read about “heads on pikes at the boarder” (sic). (sic…kening, actually.

    Too harsh for you, Carlitos, or perhaps too effective? One is either serious about stopping an invasion or not. And an invasion it is. So far, our government is not serious, and the bill before the Senate isn’t serious either. Ask any employee of ICE or DHS who deal with immigration issues, and they’ll tell you the same. Political correctness runs rampant in those organizations

    Mitch (a549f7)

  26. For the record, I don’t support the “heads on pikes” inititive.

    I said nothing about moving the bodies, however…

    ;)

    Scott Jacobs (90eabe)

  27. For the record, I don’t support the “heads on pikes” inititive

    Oh come on folks – this is a surefire way to scare the crap out of peasants – and uneducated peasants are what the vast majority of illegals are, especially the ones coming from Central America.

    Try this on on for size – we contract with Disney to create a huge hologram of Chupacabra, also facing Mexico, complete with voices warning those attempting to cross the border of impending doom.

    Or how about one of the Virgin Mary pleading with the folks to return home and not enter the Country of El Diablo.

    Creativity is key.

    Mitch (a549f7)

  28. “This is looking more and more like the Bush administration’s domestic version of Iraq: a big risky gamble, based on wishful thinking and nonexistent administrative competence that will end in disaster?”

    -May16th Kausfiles from slate magazine.

    Dead on analogy for this debacle. The only way Bush can cement his legacy as the dumbest president in history is with Domestic Iraq. He wants to mess up our country like he has messed up our foreign policy.

    We have to secure the borders over there so we don’t have to secure em over here. Where can I sign up to secure Iraq’s borders??

    http://www.slate.com/id/2166678/

    acroso (99fee6)

  29. “This is looking more and more like the Bush administration’s domestic version of Iraq: a big risky gamble, based on wishful thinking and nonexistent administrative competence that will end in disaster?”

    -May16th Kausfiles from slate magazine.

    Dead on analogy for this debacle. The only way Bush can cement his legacy as the dumbest president in history is with Domestic Iraq. He wants to mess up our country like he has messed up our foreign policy.

    We have to secure the borders over there so we don’t have to secure em over here. Where can I sign up to secure Iraq’s borders??

    http://www.slate.com/id/2166678/

    acroso (99fee6)

  30. the US fertility rate is almost steady state. We need very little immigration to maintain our population level.

    That’s true, but it doesn’t address the problem of the third world countries who are far surpassing us and who will t/4 “invade” us one way or the other. So we let them in on a merit basis.

    And if our government won’t even deport criminals, what makes you all think they will shoot illegals at the border?

    Deal with the real world.

    Patricia (824fa1)

  31. It’s clear that illegal aliens are doing the crimes that most Americans will not do.

    J. G. Murphey (9d6c42)

  32. Patrick–

    What happens to a LEGAL immigrant in the same situation? At what point is he deported? Are there situations where a legal immigrant is routinely deported, but the illegal immigrant is not?

    Kevin Murphy (805c5b)

  33. Why not Deport Bush and the illegals all at once?

    acroso (99fee6)

  34. “These people have not finished grade school, let alone high school. They are illiterate in Spanish for crissakes !”

    The school district I work in offered free transportation, free lunch & snacks, free symposium in Spanish for the English Learner students’ parents. It was designed specifically for those new to this country to learn to navigate their way through the public school system, to help their children excel in academics and learn the importance of it in America, to be able to communicate with their children’s teachers, health office, attendance, it included just about everything. We have 36,000 students in the district, 1/3 are English Learners with Spanish speaking parents. A grand total of 125 parents showed up. Do the math. Its not too encouraging.

    Dana (5d798a)

  35. I, for one, welcome our new Mexican overlords.

    The Other JD (044292)

  36. They are all criminals, since entering the country ILLEGALLY is a crime. What’s this wimpy bullshit about selectively deporting only the heinous ones?

    Also, the “hard working” ones generally work under fraudulent documents and don’t pay any taxes, which pay for public servants to express their half-assed political views under the guise of “conservatism.” What a crock of shit.

    “Deport the Criminals First” is a limp-wristed approach to a vexing problem that threatens the very fabric of our nation. What is more troubling is that this comes from a prosecutor from a shithole already conquered by mexico.

    You’ve already been colonized, although you wouldn’t know it from your gated community making wussy proclamations while the rest of us endure the crime that you people have repeatedly failed to curtail. You can’t defend the sovereignty of the state of what is now known as CalifAztlan, yet you have the nerve to launch a campaign about some wussy strategy about national security while ignoring the fact that they ALL need to be DEPORTED.

    Build the goddamn wall already and deport the entire lot. And don’t give me this bullshit that “we can’t deport them all.” Only a woman would subscribe to such defeatism, which is what government has become: run by a bunch of girls, the author included.

    Petit Bourgeois (d5b6de)

  37. Dana, this disinterest in learning seems to be a new phenomenon. My first wife taught in a heavily Hispanic school in east LA in the 1960s. The parents were very concerned about their children’s schooling and would come to parent-teacher conferences even if they didn’t speak English. The kids would translate and there was no ESL. The kids were fluent in English by half-way through the first grade. All this is changing. And not for the good.

    Mike K (86bddb)

  38. Petit,
    We’re talking about what can be done, not what should be done. We should enforce our laws, but our government refuses. Short of an armed revolution, what else are we to do but suggest enforcement actions that the wusses in office might actually carry out?

    Patricia (824fa1)

  39. “The kids were fluent in English by half-way through the first grade.”

    I suspect that nowadays there is a serious lack of motivation. If you don’t have to learn English, why do so? Its a lot of work.

    Dana (5d798a)

  40. Patricia,

    You’re trying to talk sense to this guy?

    You’re wasting your time.

    Patterico (eeb415)

  41. You’re trying to talk sense to this guy? You’re wasting your time.

    Wating time is proposing to first deport criminals. Short of a major attack that can be shown to have been done by illegl aliens from south of the border, ain’t gonna happen. Our elected officials – Federal, State and local are folks who for one reason or another – business, “compassion”, belief in multiculturalism, hatred of the US – are not going to enforce the laws that already exist, nor propose anything draconian which might actually solve the problem.

    When the Congress passes legislation denying Constitutional protections to illegal aliens, removes judicial review from the bill, and a President signs it, then, and only then, might we see some action. Add in streamlined and non-juducual review of deportation rules, and criminal sanctions against State and local elected officials who declare sanctuary cities, maybe, just maybe, we’ll have an action plan that could work.

    Apply the 14th Amendment as proposed by its author to eliminate citizenship for babies born to illegals (just like diplomats’ babies are not US citizens), and we’ll have one more weapon in our arsenal to combat this invasion.

    Pat and Patricia – wake up and smell the reality. Under current and proposed rules and regs, the US is doomed.

    Mitch (55069c)

  42. Oops – “Wating” – Wasting

    Mitch (55069c)

  43. He had a long crinimal record and yet he was in this country well then let him know what americans do to those who commit such crimes SEND HIM TO MEET OLD SPARKY and FRY HIM or just give him LEATHAL INJECTION and SCREW MEXICO

    krazy kagu (5c5ef3)

  44. Patricia–

    Debating someone who says

    Only a woman would subscribe to such defeatism, which is what government has become: run by a bunch of girls, the author included.

    seems like a waste of time.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  45. New Immigration Law, 2 sentences: Starting June 15, 2007, all companies or individuals found to be employing illegal immigrants shall be fined $10,000 per day/per occurrence. Starting June 16th, 2007, buses will be provided to five locations along the Mexican border for Mexican Nationals, free of charge, for as long as school schedules in the Fall allow.

    WAYNO (65dabc)

  46. let us not forget officer Johnson and the illegal alien that murdered him.
    http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=2006_4196675

    Rorschach (1bf7ba)

  47. I would like to see my tax dollars spent on deporting illegal immigrants than having our billions being spent on aids for other nations..We should secure our country first! Our government’s purpose is to secure the borders.

    Jackie Chalmers (f23103)

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  49. [...] “Deport the Criminals First” — Part One of an Ongoing Series As regular readers know, I have repeatedly argued that our federal government should devote all its ICE agents (at least those not working on border enforcement) to the task of identifying and deporting those illegal aliens who commit crimes while in this country. In my view, it is outrageous that we would use a single ICE agent to arrest someone working hard for a living, while countless thousands of illegals sit in county jails and state prisons — their illegal immigrant status unknown, waiting to be released onto the streets once their sentences are completed. [...]

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  50. This is the best part:

    When interviewed, Lopez said he was upset on May 16 because his wife had an affair.
    Yup. That’s why one of our local deputies was shot. I’m from Kenosha… its big news here.

    Too bad we don’t have the death penalty in Wisconsin.

    Christopher Ross (cc9c6a)

  51. It seems so simple…

    and yet our federal government under Presidente Jorge Bush can’t seem to grasp it, though neither can the Mayor of Los Angeles, for that matter. DEPORT THE CRIMINALS!

    I don’t think an abdication of basic government responsibility gets any bigger t…

    ProCynic (59ce3a)

  52. You’d think that the illegals would be on their best behavior for at least this week since the Senate is currently looking at the amnesty bill. – Agrifolia

    Why would I think that? The criminal element amongst our illegal immigrants don’t care for our laws. That’s obvious. I see no reason to believe they’re even AWARE of the pending legislation, let alone concerned about the impact their behavior may have on its passage.

    Yashmak (ee8d11)

  53. Deporting criminals is a no-brainer. But I am curious about what happens after we amnesty 12 to 20 millions folks doing the work Americans won’t do. Does their market value plunge after they become legal and are protected by the same laws that make those Americans, who don’t do the jobs the illegals do, so expensive? And if it does will Tyson foods, that benevolent enabler of non-English speaking undocumented saviors of lazy Americans, be satisfied with the higher expenses or will they need to import another batch of resentful Americans?

    Ooops sorry I guess my prejudice is exposed. I think that those of you who think we should turn a blind eye to law breakers need to read to read Bill Whittles latest piece.

    Pierre Legrand (9ce308)

  54. resentful Americans?

    Should read “future resentful Americans”

    Pierre Legrand (9ce308)

  55. Deporting criminals is a no-brainer. But I am curious about what happens after we amnesty 12 to 20 millions folks doing the work Americans won’t do. Does their market value plunge after they become legal and are protected by the same laws that make those Americans, who don’t do the jobs the illegals do, so expensive? And if it does will Tyson foods, that benevolent enabler of non-English speaking undocumented saviors of lazy Americans, be satisfied with the higher expenses or will they need to import another batch of resentful Americans?

    You’ve nailed it!

    Mitch (a549f7)

  56. You’ve nailed it!
    Thank you, I thought it was rather to the point myself.

    Pierre Legrand (9ce308)

  57. Unemployed Americans who cannot work, due to illegals having jobs they can and will do, think deporting all illegals is important. Remember the Swift meat company raid? Americans lined up for those jobs afterwards.

    Bruce Long (f163f6)

  58. Deporting criminals is a no-brainer. But I am curious about what happens after we amnesty 12 to 20 millions folks doing the work Americans won’t do. Does their market value plunge after they become legal and are protected by the same laws that make those Americans, who don’t do the jobs the illegals do, so expensive?

    Will the market crash after instantly losing ~10 million cheap workers? I hope so. That way I can laugh at how wrong right-wing scaretacticians were. Then again, they’re always wrong, so maybe it wouldn’t quite have the effect I would hope it to have.

    Mark (6e3e4b)

  59. Our country has been invaded. Too many people, too nasty, too fast. If we want anything resembling a democratic constitutional republic to survive here we must recognize this basic fact. Then we must stop the invasion. And then we must reverse it.

    Oh and by the way, after tipping their hand with this shamnesty we know there is a powerful bipartisan fifth column. Besides the whitewashing apologist media large portions of the upper levels of our government are complicit in the invasion. We have to deal with them first.

    This is not an incitement to violence. Stopping their bill and voting them out will work just fine.

    The invaders’ reaction to news that they will not get special treatment and instead face expulsion will surely bring their violent, petulant, irredentist nature out in full view. And it would be just like Bush to let his tax-paying law-abiding base (“who just don’t want to do what’s right for America”) roast through a few days of riots before he lifts a finger to help us.

    That kind of blunder would actually help our citizenry find the courage to reclaim our country.

    Tanstaafl (a8c20b)

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    The Baltimore Reporter (27f858)

  61. Will the market crash after instantly losing ~10 million cheap workers? I hope so. That way I can laugh at how wrong right-wing scaretacticians were. Then again, they’re always wrong, so maybe it wouldn’t quite have the effect I would hope it to have.

    Is this considered a serious thought? Instantly crash…exactly how does that happen do we teleport these poor souls out of Amerikkka?

    Pierre (34de4e)

  62. You’ve got to be kidding to think that deportation would work, Mexico doesn’t want these people. Our government has failed miserably in securing anything, borders, airports, etc. What part about ILLEGAL can’t the Feds figure out?

    If it means I have to pay more for my lettuce and tomatoes than fine, it’s better than having an ILLEGAL immigrant gunning down honest, hard working police officers.

    I’m afraid that we’ve passed the point of no return, there’s no way to deport the number of ILLEGALS in our country. The only way anything will be done seriously with ILLEGAL immigrants is when a high ranking government official (senator, governor, speaker, etc) has a personal tragedy happen to their families caused by an ILLEGAL.

    To the Fabiano family; my heart goes out to you.

    Grant (9f275e)

  63. Here is the deal, had this not been ignored for so long, had the administration at least TRIED to prevent the invasion instead of sitting on it’s thumbs, or if the administration had even tried to fix it now instead of calling the electorate names while sitting on it’s thumbs, the politicos would not be getting the voter backlash they are getting. At this point, the die is cast, there will be a voter rebellion and I’m not 100% sure that it will be merely political. Things are going to get real ugly real quick. Careers will be ruined and people will get hurt. The electorate is way beyond reasoned debate, they want blood, and they are going to get it. Both parties have screwed up badly and they are going to pay the price. I would not be surprised if the political landscape is forever changed by this fiasco.

    Rorschach (1bf7ba)

  64. I’d like to know why Presidente’ Bush, for whom I voted twice, and who never used his veto against the stupid bills put up by liberals, has suddenly grown a pair of balls and decides to vigorously go after the conservatives who have backed him for the last six years! Perhaps like Saul, he was knocked from his horse on his ranch by lightning and had a revelation. While I still support his stance in the war on terror, I can’t back him in his war on our own security and conservatives in general. Sorry George, but your shiny legacy is getting duller by the minute.

    Bill Hartnett (34600a)

  65. What Bill said. The Shrub has never accused the surrender monkeys of “not want[ing] to do what’s best for America”, even when they voted to defund the troops in Iraq, but now he levels that accusation at us who actually want to defend our borders. (There is a possibility that he is only being loyal to Texas. Stopping the illegal immigration and drug trade would likely bankrupt the State.)

    nk (835ea1)

  66. Well Bill the truth is lately I have been toying with the idea of supporting having Bush impeached. Consider my evidence.
    1. Immigration…is there anything he has done in that area that a Leftist like Kennedy would not have done? Nope.
    2. Courts…Harriet Meirs. Nuff said. Besides being politically inept enough to have so many of is lower court picks destroyed.
    3. What the hell are we talking to Iran for except to warn them that the bombing starts in 5 minutes?
    4. 2 years after the first deaths of Marines due to Iranian bombs…exactly why haven’t we absolutely shut down all paths into the country?
    5. Why isn’t defense spending at LEAST up to the highest point it was during Clintons years? Did you know that during Clintons term defense spending was 5.2% of GDP and there was no war…now with our very existence being challenged we are at 3.6%. We don’t want to win.
    6. He signed the McCain/Feingold monstrosity taking our rights away.
    7. He refuses to hold our bureacracy to account for missteps in our war.

    Anyways my blood pressure is skyrocketing…

    Pierre

    Pierre (34de4e)

  67. Mexico’s ruling elites are systematically exporting their (mostly brown) poor and their trouble-makers.

    We get to live (and die) with the consequences.

    I don’t know if Wisconsin has a death penalty. But if they do, and this guy is sentenced to death, just watch the Mexican government howl.

    And no US politician will tell them to butt out.

    Robert (ba61d3)

  68. OK – try this one on for size. Since the US government isn’t really serious about stopping the invasion, why not make an offer to Mexico – 1 million barrels os oil must be given to the US for every immigrant we take/keep. Maybe even 10 million per head.

    They’ve got the oil – they’re sending us the people – at the very least we should be compensated.

    Obviously doesn’t solve the problems associated will this invasion, but it’s a start. At a minimum it would cut down on our oil imporation from the Middle East, NIgeria, and Venezuela. Gas prices might come down, oil-dependent products would cost a little less, etc…

    Mitch (55069c)

  69. I’m tired of hearing that we can’t deport 12 million people. We did the “impossible” with the Berlin Air Lift, with putting astronauts on the moon, and will do it in the future (if Bush gets his way) with putting astronauts on Mars.

    Shipping 12 million people across our borders is nothing.

    SkyePuppy (87939c)

  70. My step daughter has been beaten by her husband – an illegal – and he continues to harass her at her job & threaten her & other members of her family. He has slit a tire on her car & the car of a friend(gal). The Mesquite Tx police will do NOTHING! Must I pay for a lawyer to get her the simple protection she needs & deserves? The rat has never paid a cent toward support of his children!

    R Harmon (795384)

  71. He had a long crinimal record and yet he was in this country well then let him know what americans do to those who commit such crimes SEND HIM TO MEET OLD SPARKY and FRY HIM or just give him LEATHAL INJECTION and SCREW MEXICO

    Comment by krazy kagu — 5/31/2007 @ 6:26 am

    Too bad Wisconsin doesn’t have the death penalty – even though a resolution/recommendation was overwhelmingly passed by the voters during the last election! Those same voters re-elected our Democrat governor and gave control of the state senate to the Dimmi’s too. Yeah, I’m confused too! Also passed marriage protection ammendment! Really confusing!!

    SSG Fuzzy (91c6ff)

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