Comments on: Feds Say “Terror in the Skies” Flight Was Indeed a Terrorist Dry Run http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/ Harangues that just make sense Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:48:33 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: mavsfan http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/comment-page-2/#comment-265666 mavsfan Wed, 30 May 2007 18:39:50 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/#comment-265666 Something here many people confuse is the official statement (from say the Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS) or FBI) which comes from headquarters and the beliefs/statements that come from the rank and file agents on the ground doing the job (Federal Air Marshals (FAMs - little s, etc.) The FAMS stated that it wasn't a dry run, but most of the FAMs actually flying disagreed. That is where Ms. Hudson is claiming Air Marshals think it could have been a dry run or probe (personally I think it was a probe or people angling for a lawsuit (like the Flying Imams)), but that's just my BS opinion on the matter. Something here many people confuse is the official statement (from say the Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS) or FBI) which comes from headquarters and the beliefs/statements that come from the rank and file agents on the ground doing the job (Federal Air Marshals (FAMs – little s, etc.)

The FAMS stated that it wasn’t a dry run, but most of the FAMs actually flying disagreed. That is where Ms. Hudson is claiming Air Marshals think it could have been a dry run or probe (personally I think it was a probe or people angling for a lawsuit (like the Flying Imams)), but that’s just my BS opinion on the matter.

]]> By: Patterico http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/comment-page-2/#comment-265569 Patterico Wed, 30 May 2007 05:26:09 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/#comment-265569 Thank you so much for encapsulating the self-righteous position of the left on this issue, Andrew. Because that's all that happened here. Someone brown spent too long in the lavatory. If I had written your comment myself, I couldn't better illustrate the lack of seriousness on terror by you and people just like you on the left. Thank you so much for encapsulating the self-righteous position of the left on this issue, Andrew.

Because that’s all that happened here. Someone brown spent too long in the lavatory.

If I had written your comment myself, I couldn’t better illustrate the lack of seriousness on terror by you and people just like you on the left.

]]> By: Andrew J. Lazarus http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/comment-page-2/#comment-265568 Andrew J. Lazarus Wed, 30 May 2007 05:22:53 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/#comment-265568 These dry runs are getting to be like voter fraud, of which many have heard but few have seen. Seriously, are we (inconspicuously) arresting and interrogating terrorist affiliates, or have we merely set up a reflex "Aaah, another dry run" whenever someone brown spends too long in the lavatory? These dry runs are getting to be like voter fraud, of which many have heard but few have seen. Seriously, are we (inconspicuously) arresting and interrogating terrorist affiliates, or have we merely set up a reflex “Aaah, another dry run” whenever someone brown spends too long in the lavatory?

]]> By: Federal Air Marshal http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/comment-page-2/#comment-265563 Federal Air Marshal Wed, 30 May 2007 04:54:08 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/#comment-265563 I think a lot of you should remove your hands from your keyboards and just read the article again a few more times. The answers to your questions are right in front of you. FAM P. Jeffrey Black is a <b>current</b> Air Marshal working Las Vegas, who gave testimony to the House Judiciary Committee in August of 2004, regarding probes and dry-runs (do a Google of his name). FAM Jeffrey Denning recently <b>resigned</b> for a much better job. FAM Robert MacLean was <b>fired</b> after whistleblowing (Do a Google of his name to find out why he was fired). He is fighting his termination and his case is currently in the 9th Circuit. All indications are he is going to win. In regards to the air marshal in the Time Magazine article, he was told to do the article AND there were agency Public Disinformation Officers standing in the same room during the interview. Always question the authenticity of any interview of an employee who's authorized by the agency to participate in an interview. The air marshal was told exactly what to say, and he played the part perfectly defending the agency. How many more current, resigned, or fired federal air marshals will it take to convince you that DHS/FAMS is negligently not doing its job? 10 more? 50 more? Signed sworn statements from every air marshal? Wake up people and smell the airline food. I think a lot of you should remove your hands from your keyboards and just read the article again a few more times. The answers to your questions are right in front of you. FAM P. Jeffrey Black is a current Air Marshal working Las Vegas, who gave testimony to the House Judiciary Committee in August of 2004, regarding probes and dry-runs (do a Google of his name). FAM Jeffrey Denning recently resigned for a much better job. FAM Robert MacLean was fired after whistleblowing (Do a Google of his name to find out why he was fired). He is fighting his termination and his case is currently in the 9th Circuit. All indications are he is going to win. In regards to the air marshal in the Time Magazine article, he was told to do the article AND there were agency Public Disinformation Officers standing in the same room during the interview. Always question the authenticity of any interview of an employee who’s authorized by the agency to participate in an interview. The air marshal was told exactly what to say, and he played the part perfectly defending the agency. How many more current, resigned, or fired federal air marshals will it take to convince you that DHS/FAMS is negligently not doing its job? 10 more? 50 more? Signed sworn statements from every air marshal? Wake up people and smell the airline food.

]]> By: daleyrocks http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/comment-page-2/#comment-265552 daleyrocks Wed, 30 May 2007 03:53:00 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/#comment-265552 Steve - Do you work for an airline or are you just a dickhead? Steve -

Do you work for an airline or are you just a dickhead?

]]> By: Patterico http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/comment-page-2/#comment-265551 Patterico Wed, 30 May 2007 03:47:16 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/#comment-265551 <blockquote>If that supports her assertion, I’m Ethel Merman.</blockquote> In point of fact, I have no idea *who* you are. But let's compare her assertion in her recent story: <blockquote>The inspector general for Homeland Security late Friday released new details of <b>what federal air marshals say was a terrorist dry run</b> aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles on June 29, 2004.</blockquote> To what the latest story says: <blockquote><b>[C]urrent and former air marshals who reviewed a copy provided by The Times say the activities of the men details a dry run for a terrorist attack.</b></blockquote> Granted, most of the current ones are staying anonymous. But to argue that the latter quote is only a claim that it "resembles" a dry run is Clintonian parsing of the slipperiest variety.

If that supports her assertion, I’m Ethel Merman.

In point of fact, I have no idea *who* you are.

But let’s compare her assertion in her recent story:

The inspector general for Homeland Security late Friday released new details of what federal air marshals say was a terrorist dry run aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles on June 29, 2004.

To what the latest story says:

[C]urrent and former air marshals who reviewed a copy provided by The Times say the activities of the men details a dry run for a terrorist attack.

Granted, most of the current ones are staying anonymous. But to argue that the latter quote is only a claim that it “resembles” a dry run is Clintonian parsing of the slipperiest variety.

]]> By: steve http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/comment-page-2/#comment-265547 steve Wed, 30 May 2007 03:23:41 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/#comment-265547 <i>I am interested in hearing more about Ms. Hudson’s support for the assertion that air marshals have made this claim. - Patterico</i> Did any "federal marshals SAY this was a dry run? Not one. Hudson tells us marshals who were not on the flight but who have read accounts, found activities they consider consistent with, having the details of, or resembling a terror dry run. If that supports her assertion, I'm Ethel Merman. I am interested in hearing more about Ms. Hudson’s support for the assertion that air marshals have made this claim. – Patterico

Did any “federal marshals SAY this was a dry run?

Not one.

Hudson tells us marshals who were not on the flight but who have read accounts, found activities they consider consistent with, having the details of, or resembling a terror dry run.

If that supports her assertion, I’m Ethel Merman.

]]> By: Patterico http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/comment-page-2/#comment-265545 Patterico Wed, 30 May 2007 03:10:49 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/#comment-265545 <blockquote>Hudson sure buried the lead if by “current and former air marshals who reviewed a copy provided by The Times say the activities of the men details a dry run for a terrorist attack,” she was telling us they actually *believe* Flight 327 held terrorists drilling aloft for attack. Her sources saw the outline of a practice run-through in the accounts - same as saying the “incident resembled” a dry run.</blockquote> -- Bill "steve" Clinton

Hudson sure buried the lead if by “current and former air marshals who reviewed a copy provided by The Times say the activities of the men details a dry run for a terrorist attack,” she was telling us they actually *believe* Flight 327 held terrorists drilling aloft for attack. Her sources saw the outline of a practice run-through in the accounts – same as saying the “incident resembled” a dry run.

– Bill “steve” Clinton

]]> By: Patterico http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/comment-page-2/#comment-265544 Patterico Wed, 30 May 2007 03:08:53 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/#comment-265544 "But you’re right. Hudson has one fired air marshal who says it was a dry run." Do I need to look up the word "current" for you, Andrew? Or perhaps it's the word "and" that you're not understanding? Other than that, or pure stubbornness and a desire to try to bluff your way through this, I'm not clear on what part of "current and former air marshals" you don't understand. Let me repeat it for you yet yet again: "current and former air marshals who reviewed a copy provided by The Times say the activities of the men details a dry run for a terrorist attack." Current and Current. She has more than one fired air marshal. Current. Now -- if you want to amend your claim to "only one of her air marshals is named, and he's been fired" -- then you'd be getting closer. But so far, you just look like the guy who doesn't want to admit he was wrong, no matter what. If you think I'm just going to let you get away with that, well, hopefully you're starting to see that I won't. I may turn this into a post. Your Daily Kos entry still up, calling her a liar? “But you’re right. Hudson has one fired air marshal who says it was a dry run.”

Do I need to look up the word “current” for you, Andrew?

Or perhaps it’s the word “and” that you’re not understanding?

Other than that, or pure stubbornness and a desire to try to bluff your way through this, I’m not clear on what part of “current and former air marshals” you don’t understand.

Let me repeat it for you yet yet again:

“current and former air marshals who reviewed a copy provided by The Times say the activities of the men details a dry run for a terrorist attack.”

Current and

Current.

She has more than one fired air marshal.

Current.

Now — if you want to amend your claim to “only one of her air marshals is named, and he’s been fired” — then you’d be getting closer.

But so far, you just look like the guy who doesn’t want to admit he was wrong, no matter what.

If you think I’m just going to let you get away with that, well, hopefully you’re starting to see that I won’t.

I may turn this into a post. Your Daily Kos entry still up, calling her a liar?

]]> By: steve http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/comment-page-2/#comment-265542 steve Wed, 30 May 2007 02:58:42 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/05/27/feds-say-terror-in-the-skies-flight-was-indeed-a-terrorist-dry-run/#comment-265542 Hudson sure buried the lead if by "current and former air marshals who reviewed a copy provided by The Times say the activities of the men details a dry run for a terrorist attack," she was telling us they actually *believe* Flight 327 held terrorists drilling aloft for attack. Her sources saw the outline of a practice run-through in the accounts - same as saying the "incident resembled" a dry run. Hudson sure buried the lead if by “current and former air marshals who reviewed a copy provided by The Times say the activities of the men details a dry run for a terrorist attack,” she was telling us they actually *believe* Flight 327 held terrorists drilling aloft for attack. Her sources saw the outline of a practice run-through in the accounts – same as saying the “incident resembled” a dry run.

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