What does determine whether a citizen has the right to defend their home with force has a lot more to do with the tactics used by the police on entry. When a no-knock no-announce warrant is served leading to an unannounced dynamic entry, the citizen has every right to defend their home against violent intrusion regardless of the validity of the warrant, and indeed regardless of their guilt – they have no way of knowing who is breaking into their home.

If a no-knock no-announce warrant is issued which results in the death of an innocent citizen, I do agree that it is not so much the front-line officer at fault for defending himself when confronted by a firearm. In those cases, the judge issuing such a warrant for a nonviolent offender should then be charged with murder (i.e. right address, no offender in residence) or negligent homicide (i.e. wrong address), and if the justification for said warrant was manufactured, then throw conspiracy to commit murder in on the officer.

At least then the incidents of unnecessary no-knock no-announce raids will have some measure of curtailment.

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If the door-breakers are any good, that door should have been open long before a 92yo could think,react,reach,grab,unsafety,vaugely-line-up,fire a handgun, however closely she kept it near where she sat.

Conversely, given that the cops planted drug evidence, are we CERTAIN that they did not assist her corpse into firing that shot (and that it was her gon and not a drop-gun?)

What if you have a case where the warrant is valid but either contains the wrong address or is bone-headedly served on the wrong address? If the homeowner reacts in the same manner for the same reasons as Mrs. Johnston and is killed by the police, should the police be held criminally liable?

Some of my best buds are city cops and county deputies, we drink and b-b-que together quite a bit.

Most have bad feelings against those that are “members” of the “drug task forces” and “swat teams”.

I could go into that but sufice to say, they think that most of them are “throwback cowboys” and not real law enforcement officers.

They also feel that the drug war is a bust and should be discontinued at the street level. One officer told me that if he is having a slow night, or is tired of driving around, he will go out and stop a few cars and find drugs (easily) and then go back to the station, enter the subject into the system and fill out paperwork (usually about two hours)and usually its time to knock off. He knows that the system is overloaded with drug users and he knows that they tie up the system and he knows that they will be back on the street in a day or so. But he doesn’t give a shit anymore. Mainly because he is underpaid, overworked and not listened to by his bosses.

The tipping point is near folks,

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Papa Ray
West Texas
USA

Which is: Not valid at all in the big picture of things, because the government and most of its agencys are out of control and it seems we can’t do anything about it.

I control as much as possible what happens to me and my family.

I will take action in any situation I don’t agree with or where I think that danger or unknown results ill occur. This is from being ripped off by a store to a threat to me or my family.

If I have someone trying to break down the door of my home, I will give one verbal warning, then if it persists I will fire one warning shot and if it persists, then shoot to kill.

That is my right and moreover, it is my responsibility.

Those cops murdered that older lady. She was protecting herself. The only thing that she did wrong was not firing all the rounds in her weapon.

Anything other than that is bullshit.

Papa Ray
West Texas
USA

But for sure the one thing we are getting better at is terrorizing our own citizens, killing them at what could be called an alarming rate! Folks protecting THEIR OWN property! Also at an alarming rate is they are more and more facing what may as well be our military in doing so, which of course results in the death of another taxpayer!

Oh and average take when they actually do find drugs, oz’s! Not pounds and pounds, ounces and who knows how many of those did not arrive with the so called cops?! You save this bust for the “good” guys?

When you continue to perform the same experiment with repeated results time and time again and the results are not worthwhile, then it’s time for a change of tactics, RIGHT?

I’ll refrain from suggesting that some laws may need to be evaluated by the citizens directly!

As far as using caution when these reports come at us, hey 2+2 still equals 4! The frequency with which our cops are killing us for what appears to be sport, phark em. I may not express my feelings at the time, but know I’m smelling some old meat so I’ll caution just as readily but for alternate reasons.

I’m but 53, extreamly hard of hearing, Kant see shit either, but, middle of the night intrusion into my home, first man gathers lead, which of course means that I too will gather some. My only hope is that I send one or more to HELL for ignoring my 4th amendment RIGHTS! You will find that under the constitution of the USA! (Well what little is left of it)!

Asswipe cops like those in ATL? They should be hung in the public square! Can there be anything worst to a citizen than being Nifonged by a COP packin both a warrant and a gun?!!!