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	<title>Comments on: Former DoJ Official: Pursuing Voter Fraud Cases Indicates Intent to Depress Minority Turnout</title>
	<link>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/</link>
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		<title>By: Federal Dog</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-256131</link>
		<dc:creator>Federal Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"So Federal Dog says: “Sentence first, trial later!” 


Where did I say that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So Federal Dog says: “Sentence first, trial later!” </p>
<p>Where did I say that?</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-256119</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did read your link, Mr. Lazarus, and I still say that it is a more than &lt;i&gt;reasonable inference&lt;/i&gt; that false registrations will be used to cast invalid votes.  D'oh.

The WAPO article refuses to call anything "voter fraud" except a person caught red-handed casting an invalid vote (where did they learn to write like this, the LAT?).  If that is your definition, you and they may be right about the small numbers of fraudulent votes.  Again, you will have to wait for another Democrat to win, I guess, before the AG can ignore such a trifling, in your opinion, issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did read your link, Mr. Lazarus, and I still say that it is a more than <i>reasonable inference</i> that false registrations will be used to cast invalid votes.  D&#8217;oh.</p>
<p>The WAPO article refuses to call anything &#8220;voter fraud&#8221; except a person caught red-handed casting an invalid vote (where did they learn to write like this, the LAT?).  If that is your definition, you and they may be right about the small numbers of fraudulent votes.  Again, you will have to wait for another Democrat to win, I guess, before the AG can ignore such a trifling, in your opinion, issue.</p>
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		<title>By: AF</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-256084</link>
		<dc:creator>AF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-256084</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;"&lt;a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2FiNjU1ZGY5Y2NiY2EyOWIyY2Q2ZWUyNmJlZmQ2NzE=" rel="nofollow"&gt;Crane says he was disappointed with Romney's&lt;/a&gt; answer to his question the other night. Crane asked if Romney believed the president should have the authority to arrest U.S. citizens with no review. Romney said he would want to hear the pros and cons from smart lawyers before he made up his mind. Crane said that he had asked Giuliani the same question a few weeks ago. The mayor said that he would want to use this authority infrequently."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You're a lawyer Pat, and a Republican. As a "lefty" I'd like to ask you the same question.  What does our constitution say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;<a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2FiNjU1ZGY5Y2NiY2EyOWIyY2Q2ZWUyNmJlZmQ2NzE=" rel="nofollow">Crane says he was disappointed with Romney&#8217;s</a> answer to his question the other night. Crane asked if Romney believed the president should have the authority to arrest U.S. citizens with no review. Romney said he would want to hear the pros and cons from smart lawyers before he made up his mind. Crane said that he had asked Giuliani the same question a few weeks ago. The mayor said that he would want to use this authority infrequently.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re a lawyer Pat, and a Republican. As a &#8220;lefty&#8221; I&#8217;d like to ask you the same question.  What does our constitution say?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew J. Lazarus</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-256076</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew J. Lazarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-256076</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t know; McKay didn’t investigate sufficiently enough to find out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Sufficient investigation = indicts Democrats and/or overturns results. (Did you know that the WA Secretary of State who supervised this election was a Republican?) &lt;a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/blogs/news_blog/070314/old_allegations_of_voter_fraud.htm?s_cid=rss:site1" rel="nofollow"&gt;Timeline of McKay's investigation&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200703140007?offset=20&#38;show=1" rel="nofollow"&gt;McKay states he found nothing actionable&lt;/a&gt;. Anybody else see the difference between "didn't investigate" and "investigated and found nothing"?
&lt;blockquote&gt;We have no measures in place by which to determine the magnitude of the problem.&lt;/blockquote&gt;So Federal Dog says: "Sentence first, trial later!" (What do you suppose would be the reaction if a similar standard were applied to draconian new gun control laws, on the grounds we have no measurements available?)

It's worth mentioning that onerous ID requirements that apply to in-person voting &lt;i&gt;can't possible stop&lt;/i&gt; &lt;I&gt;&lt;B&gt;absentee &lt;/B&gt;&lt;/I&gt;ballot fraud. Funny thing how the "remedy" the GOP likes works to disenfranchise legitimate Democratic-leaning voters without addressing in any way what may be the largest part of the "problem" (if indeed there is any problem). Of course, we also saw this in the so-called felon purges, where GOP-affiliated consultants and GOP government officials &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Central_Voter_File" rel="nofollow"&gt;showed conspicuous indifference to false positive matches&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t know; McKay didn’t investigate sufficiently enough to find out.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sufficient investigation = indicts Democrats and/or overturns results. (Did you know that the WA Secretary of State who supervised this election was a Republican?) <a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/blogs/news_blog/070314/old_allegations_of_voter_fraud.htm?s_cid=rss:site1" rel="nofollow">Timeline of McKay&#8217;s investigation</a>; <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200703140007?offset=20&amp;show=1" rel="nofollow">McKay states he found nothing actionable</a>. Anybody else see the difference between &#8220;didn&#8217;t investigate&#8221; and &#8220;investigated and found nothing&#8221;?</p>
<blockquote><p>We have no measures in place by which to determine the magnitude of the problem.</p></blockquote>
<p>So Federal Dog says: &#8220;Sentence first, trial later!&#8221; (What do you suppose would be the reaction if a similar standard were applied to draconian new gun control laws, on the grounds we have no measurements available?)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth mentioning that onerous ID requirements that apply to in-person voting <i>can&#8217;t possible stop</i> <i><b>absentee </b></i>ballot fraud. Funny thing how the &#8220;remedy&#8221; the GOP likes works to disenfranchise legitimate Democratic-leaning voters without addressing in any way what may be the largest part of the &#8220;problem&#8221; (if indeed there is any problem). Of course, we also saw this in the so-called felon purges, where GOP-affiliated consultants and GOP government officials <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Central_Voter_File" rel="nofollow">showed conspicuous indifference to false positive matches</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: MD in Philly</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-256075</link>
		<dc:creator>MD in Philly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-256075</guid>
		<description>I would think that anyone who truly wants integrity in our system of government would want integrity in the voting process, and would be concerned about both voter fraud and suppressing voter turnout.  I would think there would be ways where legislators from both parties could arrive at a reasonable solution.

Either there is regular voter fraud in Philadelphia (where Dems rule the city), or more resurrections annually than recorded in the entire Bible (some not only "see dead people" here, but watch them vote).

People are supposed to have ID (in PA anyway) to buy cigarettes if they are "less than 35".  While in one way it would be ok to make it easier to vote than buy cigarettes, in another way voting is a more responsible activity than buying cigarettes, and to think it is harder to buy cigarettes for some individuals than vote seems a bit bizarre.  (Of course, there are places where one can buy cigarettes without getting your ID checked in Philadelphia).

The one link from Lazarus (speaking of resurrections) discusses voter ID's in context of driving licenses and likelihood of owning a car.  While a valid driver's license, car registration, and insurance are required by law to drive in Philadelphia (no surprise there), it is estimated than up to one half of driver's in the city lack at least one of these.  (Years ago some friends went to a notary to get a car registration after moving here from out of state.  The notary had "automatically" put in false insurance info for them before they had a chance to show their valid insurance.)

I guess "I can also think" that a locale that doesn't put a priority on valid and legal drivers doesn't mind not putting a priority on other things, like valid and legal elections, either.

I am not interested in arguing about who is for what until someone makes it clear they are interested in both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think that anyone who truly wants integrity in our system of government would want integrity in the voting process, and would be concerned about both voter fraud and suppressing voter turnout.  I would think there would be ways where legislators from both parties could arrive at a reasonable solution.</p>
<p>Either there is regular voter fraud in Philadelphia (where Dems rule the city), or more resurrections annually than recorded in the entire Bible (some not only &#8220;see dead people&#8221; here, but watch them vote).</p>
<p>People are supposed to have ID (in PA anyway) to buy cigarettes if they are &#8220;less than 35&#8243;.  While in one way it would be ok to make it easier to vote than buy cigarettes, in another way voting is a more responsible activity than buying cigarettes, and to think it is harder to buy cigarettes for some individuals than vote seems a bit bizarre.  (Of course, there are places where one can buy cigarettes without getting your ID checked in Philadelphia).</p>
<p>The one link from Lazarus (speaking of resurrections) discusses voter ID&#8217;s in context of driving licenses and likelihood of owning a car.  While a valid driver&#8217;s license, car registration, and insurance are required by law to drive in Philadelphia (no surprise there), it is estimated than up to one half of driver&#8217;s in the city lack at least one of these.  (Years ago some friends went to a notary to get a car registration after moving here from out of state.  The notary had &#8220;automatically&#8221; put in false insurance info for them before they had a chance to show their valid insurance.)</p>
<p>I guess &#8220;I can also think&#8221; that a locale that doesn&#8217;t put a priority on valid and legal drivers doesn&#8217;t mind not putting a priority on other things, like valid and legal elections, either.</p>
<p>I am not interested in arguing about who is for what until someone makes it clear they are interested in both.</p>
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		<title>By: Federal Dog</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-256050</link>
		<dc:creator>Federal Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-256050</guid>
		<description>"There is almost no evidence of voter fraud, especially on the huge scale posited by the Republicans."


Uh, that's rather the point:  We have no measures in place by which to determine the magnitude of the problem. This lack of safeguards so that legal votes are not diluted by fraud is both improper and abusive. D'oh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is almost no evidence of voter fraud, especially on the huge scale posited by the Republicans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, that&#8217;s rather the point:  We have no measures in place by which to determine the magnitude of the problem. This lack of safeguards so that legal votes are not diluted by fraud is both improper and abusive. D&#8217;oh!</p>
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		<title>By: salon &#187; Comment on Former DoJ Official: Pursuing Voter Fraud Cases &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-256012</link>
		<dc:creator>salon &#187; Comment on Former DoJ Official: Pursuing Voter Fraud Cases &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 09:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mark Finnern wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptThe appointment, the first under the controversial Patriot Act provision, raised eyebrows at DOJ, one former senior Justice Department official told Salon. “Schlozman was one of Gonzales’ guys,” the former senior official said, &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Mark Finnern wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptThe appointment, the first under the controversial Patriot Act provision, raised eyebrows at DOJ, one former senior Justice Department official told Salon. “Schlozman was one of Gonzales’ guys,” the former senior official said, &#8230; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-255969</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 06:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I already linked evidence of improper votes in Washington State in an earlier post.  Was it "fraud"?  I don't know; McKay didn't investigate sufficiently enough to find out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already linked evidence of improper votes in Washington State in an earlier post.  Was it &#8220;fraud&#8221;?  I don&#8217;t know; McKay didn&#8217;t investigate sufficiently enough to find out.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew J. Lazarus</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-255968</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew J. Lazarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 05:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-255968</guid>
		<description>Except &lt;b&gt;there aren't any records of Mickey Mouse of ACORN voting.&lt;/b&gt; Instead of disenfranchising genuine voters, go out and show me some cases of &lt;I&gt;voting&lt;/i&gt; fraud as opposed to &lt;i&gt;voter registration&lt;/i&gt; fraud  (except, disenfranchisement is the real motive). And not one of you have dared rebut the patently discriminatory &lt;I&gt;implementation&lt;/i&gt; of voter ID in Georgia, which leads me to conclude your entire argument is in bad faith.

Now, we do have this case of &lt;a href="http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/South_Dakota_Fraud" rel="nofollow"&gt;Republicans' improper absentee ballot applications&lt;/a&gt;. And we have some recount fraud &lt;a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-ohio25jan25,1,684159.story?coll=la-headlines-politics&#38;ctrack=1&#38;cset=true" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, but I haven't been able to determine the party affiliation of the guilty. Funny how little we hear about that from Opinion Journal.

This "voter fraud" is the next &lt;I&gt;fake&lt;/I&gt; WMD of the ongoing war against the Democratic Party. Everyone will be whipped into a panic over nen-existent BS, the better to make them stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except <b>there aren&#8217;t any records of Mickey Mouse of ACORN voting.</b> Instead of disenfranchising genuine voters, go out and show me some cases of <i>voting</i> fraud as opposed to <i>voter registration</i> fraud  (except, disenfranchisement is the real motive). And not one of you have dared rebut the patently discriminatory <i>implementation</i> of voter ID in Georgia, which leads me to conclude your entire argument is in bad faith.</p>
<p>Now, we do have this case of <a href="http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/South_Dakota_Fraud" rel="nofollow">Republicans&#8217; improper absentee ballot applications</a>. And we have some recount fraud <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-ohio25jan25,1,684159.story?coll=la-headlines-politics&amp;ctrack=1&amp;cset=true" rel="nofollow">here</a>, but I haven&#8217;t been able to determine the party affiliation of the guilty. Funny how little we hear about that from Opinion Journal.</p>
<p>This &#8220;voter fraud&#8221; is the next <i>fake</i> WMD of the ongoing war against the Democratic Party. Everyone will be whipped into a panic over nen-existent BS, the better to make them stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: EricPWJohnson</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/03/31/former-doj-official-pursuing-voter-fraud-cases-indicates-intent-to-depress-minority-turnout/#comment-255963</link>
		<dc:creator>EricPWJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More for the fearful

Did you know that almost everyone in Federal Prison has been put there by a US ATTORNEY


The Outrage!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More for the fearful</p>
<p>Did you know that almost everyone in Federal Prison has been put there by a US ATTORNEY</p>
<p>The Outrage!</p>
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