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	<title>Comments on: House Staff Report on Berg(l)er: The Justice Department Cannot Be Sure He Didn&#8217;t Take Original Classified Documents</title>
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	<description>Harangues that just make sense</description>
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		<title>By: MD in Philly</title>
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		<dc:creator>MD in Philly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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I would love your opinion on the conduct of the DOJ as related in the report, if you get the chance and can.  Sounds to my uneducated opinion there was incompetence or collusion, or both.  The fact that the judge imposed a stiffer fine than was asked for by the DOJ again suggests they were either not thinking or helping to put this under the radar.</description>
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<p>I would love your opinion on the conduct of the DOJ as related in the report, if you get the chance and can.  Sounds to my uneducated opinion there was incompetence or collusion, or both.  The fact that the judge imposed a stiffer fine than was asked for by the DOJ again suggests they were either not thinking or helping to put this under the radar.</p>
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		<title>By: rightisright</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightisright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to think two border patrol agents are going to prison for a long time for doing their job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to think two border patrol agents are going to prison for a long time for doing their job.</p>
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		<title>By: djangone</title>
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		<dc:creator>djangone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole thing with Berger is astounding to me. It's a massive embarrassment to me and all other on the left. What possessed him I can't imagine.

[&lt;i&gt;This commenter has been banned, but I will probably post most of his comments anyway, as I choose to.  (Like almost any banned commenter, if he apologizes sincerely for the behavior that got him banned, I'll reinstate him entirely.)  -- P&lt;/i&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thing with Berger is astounding to me. It&#8217;s a massive embarrassment to me and all other on the left. What possessed him I can&#8217;t imagine.</p>
<p>[<i>This commenter has been banned, but I will probably post most of his comments anyway, as I choose to.  (Like almost any banned commenter, if he apologizes sincerely for the behavior that got him banned, I'll reinstate him entirely.)  -- P</i>]</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think Berger should be drugged so that he tells the truth as to what he destroyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think Berger should be drugged so that he tells the truth as to what he destroyed.</p>
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		<title>By: Holmwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holmwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine the damage this does, all the way through the National Security Apparatus. Junior people, who know full well that if they did anything like this, they'd be looking at loss of job and a lengthy prison term, see what senior people get away with.

At the very least, it's corrosive to morale; at worst, it breeds disrespect for the rule of law.  I can guess why the Administration didn't want to pursue this aggressively, but I'm not sure that was the right choice.   

Finally, the LA Times' disingenuous "not original documents" was laughably and demonstrably false even then. What do handwritten notes on a document make the document but a new and different document? The value for historians and archivists of being able to see what actual senior players thought is tangible, and Berger has damaged security, possibly destroyed evidence, and certainly destroyed original and unique documents.

Holmwood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine the damage this does, all the way through the National Security Apparatus. Junior people, who know full well that if they did anything like this, they&#8217;d be looking at loss of job and a lengthy prison term, see what senior people get away with.</p>
<p>At the very least, it&#8217;s corrosive to morale; at worst, it breeds disrespect for the rule of law.  I can guess why the Administration didn&#8217;t want to pursue this aggressively, but I&#8217;m not sure that was the right choice.   </p>
<p>Finally, the LA Times&#8217; disingenuous &#8220;not original documents&#8221; was laughably and demonstrably false even then. What do handwritten notes on a document make the document but a new and different document? The value for historians and archivists of being able to see what actual senior players thought is tangible, and Berger has damaged security, possibly destroyed evidence, and certainly destroyed original and unique documents.</p>
<p>Holmwood</p>
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		<title>By: htom</title>
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		<dc:creator>htom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the inventory files inventoried? 

This is not a joke. If he took, modified, and replaced an inventory, we would be even more clueless as to what was missing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the inventory files inventoried? </p>
<p>This is not a joke. If he took, modified, and replaced an inventory, we would be even more clueless as to what was missing.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upon reading the pdf, at end of page 3 it says "Because the Staff Member Office Files are not inventoried at the document level, Berger could....."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon reading the pdf, at end of page 3 it says &#8220;Because the Staff Member Office Files are not inventoried at the document level, Berger could&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Everything should be inventoried and calendared–everything should have some trace that would ensure evidence of its existence, even if the document itself has been destroyed." - kishnevi

Well it is government.  What do you expect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everything should be inventoried and calendared–everything should have some trace that would ensure evidence of its existence, even if the document itself has been destroyed.&#8221; - kishnevi</p>
<p>Well it is government.  What do you expect?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Coot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Coot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Likely your eyes will be peeled for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Likely your eyes will be peeled for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dubya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dubya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do ou have any idea of the volume of documents the National Archives has to deal with? It wouldn't surprise me if they were 3 or more years behind on inventory and processing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do ou have any idea of the volume of documents the National Archives has to deal with? It wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if they were 3 or more years behind on inventory and processing.</p>
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