Comments on: Jamil Hussein’s Name Spread Across the World By . . . Whom? http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/ Harangues that just make sense Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:24:27 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: OHNOES http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-149134 OHNOES Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:32:12 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/5659/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/#comment-149134 Shorter NN: "Also, watch me redirect, obfuscate, imply bad faith, and play about a half dozen other verbal shell games to get out of this little trap. Seriously, though, why do you think the AP is involved in a conspiracy to intentionally write stories that support Democrats? Now, while you didn't actually SAY anything about that, it is clearly true. I mean, look at you crazy wingnuts! You're all the same! I can substitute these generalizations for debating the issue any day." If the story is wrong due to fog of war, the AP has no business reporting it as fact. Shorter NN: “Also, watch me redirect, obfuscate, imply bad faith, and play about a half dozen other verbal shell games to get out of this little trap. Seriously, though, why do you think the AP is involved in a conspiracy to intentionally write stories that support Democrats? Now, while you didn’t actually SAY anything about that, it is clearly true. I mean, look at you crazy wingnuts! You’re all the same! I can substitute these generalizations for debating the issue any day.”

If the story is wrong due to fog of war, the AP has no business reporting it as fact.

]]> By: OHNOES http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-149129 OHNOES Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:25:16 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/5659/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/#comment-149129 You're right! How can the AP EVER be wrong! Inconceivable! These people have journalism DEGREES, sir! How dare you question them! And how DARE you trust the government! They're always wrong. Why you would ever take their words at face value is ridiculous! You’re right! How can the AP EVER be wrong! Inconceivable! These people have journalism DEGREES, sir! How dare you question them!

And how DARE you trust the government! They’re always wrong. Why you would ever take their words at face value is ridiculous!

]]> By: NN http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-148580 NN Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:40:56 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/5659/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/#comment-148580 <blockquote>We know the AP printed a story that wasn’t true, that was sourced to Hussein</blockquote>We know about <em>one</em> story that appears to be wrong, but it could probably be attributed to mistranslation. (BTW, all the people refer to AP reporting about four mosques burnt <em>to the ground</em>, but AP <em>never</em> did such thing). However, it's very reasonable that to assume that this case was a result of "fog of war" effect, and extremely unreasonable to assume that this was a result of propaganda. <blockquote>60 some odd other stories sourced to Hussein <em>that cannot be corroborated by any other source. </em></blockquote>This is just armchair-google-detective nonsense.

We know the AP printed a story that wasn’t true, that was sourced to Hussein

We know about one story that appears to be wrong, but it could probably be attributed to mistranslation. (BTW, all the people refer to AP reporting about four mosques burnt to the ground, but AP never did such thing). However, it’s very reasonable that to assume that this case was a result of “fog of war” effect, and extremely unreasonable to assume that this was a result of propaganda.

60 some odd other stories sourced to Hussein that cannot be corroborated by any other source.

This is just armchair-google-detective nonsense.

]]> By: OHNOES http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-148160 OHNOES Tue, 09 Jan 2007 05:42:58 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/5659/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/#comment-148160 We know the AP printed a story that wasn't true, that was sourced to Hussein, and that the AP has printed 60 some odd other stories sourced to Hussein that cannot be corroborated by any other source. So, yes, we cannot truly say for certain that Hussein is giving phony stories. We know that ONE phony story was written. That is a fact. Either the AP lied about it, or Hussein was wrong. We know the AP printed a story that wasn’t true, that was sourced to Hussein, and that the AP has printed 60 some odd other stories sourced to Hussein that cannot be corroborated by any other source.

So, yes, we cannot truly say for certain that Hussein is giving phony stories. We know that ONE phony story was written. That is a fact. Either the AP lied about it, or Hussein was wrong.

]]> By: NN http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-148037 NN Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:26:48 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/5659/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/#comment-148037 <blockquote>And we’re not allowed to ask??? </blockquote>No, it is not wrong for you to ask questions. It is not wrong <a href="http://www.tv.com/south-park/mystery-of-the-urinal-deuce/episode/890300/summary.html" rel="nofollow">to seek the truth.</a> However, presenting an assumption (that Jamil was passing off phoney stories) as a certain fact, as Bill Amos does, is WRONG.

And we’re not allowed to ask???

No, it is not wrong for you to ask questions. It is not wrong to seek the truth. However, presenting an assumption (that Jamil was passing off phoney stories) as a certain fact, as Bill Amos does, is WRONG.

]]> By: Hogarth http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-147918 Hogarth Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:58:27 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/5659/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/#comment-147918 <i>Wait a sec we KNOW that Jamil was passing off phoney stories. We know no such thing.</i> And we're not allowed to ask??? We are expected to accept every utterence of the press no matter the weakness of their credibility, but we are required to doubt every utterence of the administration? No one is allowed to watch the watchers? I don't want to live by those rules. Wait a sec we KNOW that Jamil was passing off phoney stories.

We know no such thing.

And we’re not allowed to ask??? We are expected to accept every utterence of the press no matter the weakness of their credibility, but we are required to doubt every utterence of the administration? No one is allowed to watch the watchers?

I don’t want to live by those rules.

]]> By: Bill Amos http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-147765 Bill Amos Mon, 08 Jan 2007 02:46:53 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/5659/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/#comment-147765 <blockquote>Wait a sec we KNOW that Jamil was passing off phoney stories. We know no such thing. Comment by The Liberal Avenger — 1/7/2007 @ 1:35 pm </blockquote> We DO know that Jamil was passing of a phoney story about burning bodies. NO ONE ELSE has any proof of this happening. The ONLY person stating this happened is Jamil and examinations of said Mosques and nearby morgues have NOT turned up any dead. The whole story was bogus from the start and AP News passed it on as fact. So yes Jamil was caught in a lie and so was the AP News.

Wait a sec we KNOW that Jamil was passing off phoney stories.

We know no such thing.

Comment by The Liberal Avenger — 1/7/2007 @ 1:35 pm

We DO know that Jamil was passing of a phoney story about burning bodies. NO ONE ELSE has any proof of this happening. The ONLY person stating this happened is Jamil and examinations of said Mosques and nearby morgues have NOT turned up any dead.

The whole story was bogus from the start and AP News passed it on as fact.

So yes Jamil was caught in a lie and so was the AP News.

]]> By: The Liberal Avenger http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-147685 The Liberal Avenger Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:10:00 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/5659/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/#comment-147685 Come on, Bill. Now you're just making stuff up. Come on, Bill. Now you’re just making stuff up.

]]> By: Bill Faith http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-147670 Bill Faith Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:13:26 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/5659/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/#comment-147670 Lib Avenger: No, we don't know that <em>Jamil </em>was passing off phony stories. Some of us aren't even sure yet that he exists. We do know <em>someone </em>was passing off phoney stories. How's that Randy Travis thing go?: <blockquote>I guess they're gonna have to hang somebody, And it's lookin' like I'm gonna be the one.</blockquote> Lib Avenger: No, we don’t know that Jamil was passing off phony stories. Some of us aren’t even sure yet that he exists. We do know someone was passing off phoney stories. How’s that Randy Travis thing go?:

I guess they’re gonna have to hang somebody,
And it’s lookin’ like I’m gonna be the one.

]]> By: Bill's Bites http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-147667 Bill's Bites Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:10:07 +0000 http://patterico.com/2007/01/07/5659/jamil-husseins-name-spread-across-the-world-by-whom/#comment-147667 <strong>Lt. Kije identified, facing arrest? -- Day 4 ...</strong> Part 32 of a series. Continued from this post. Media Matters’s Eric Boehlert Gets the Facts Wrong — Again Patterico Media Matters’s Eric Boehlert: ignorant? Sloppy? Or dishonestly posturing? (Again.) You make the call! Just yesterday, I said:By t... Lt. Kije identified, facing arrest? — Day 4 …

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