Patterico's Pontifications

11/7/2006

Election Night Open Thread

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:25 pm



I’m going to vote now, and we’re going out to dinner afterwards, so I won’t be online until much later. Leave your thoughts on tonight’s election below.

UPDATE: I changed the time stamps to reflect Standard Time, which may screw up the ordering of comments on other threads. If it looks like your comment got swallowed, check up the thread an hour.

129 Responses to “Election Night Open Thread”

  1. CBS has already called a Casey win here in PA.. but err.. the polls aren’t closed yet. The time was expanded…

    AndrewGurn (8a0c5d)

  2. Is everyone getting the last minute celebrity calls? I had two calls today from Arnold Schwarzenegger (different messages). Robert Redford called a couple minutes ago about an environmental bill. And a month or so ago, it was Bill Clinton stumping for votes on the auto dialer. Telemarketers were never this much fun. (But I better not hear from George Clooney for darn sure !!!)

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  3. I don’t have a land phone so no.

    PS- Santorum is officiall toast, so I’ll stop complaining about CBS.

    AndrewGurn (8a0c5d)

  4. For God’s sake, take Santorum’s kids off the stage. They are miserable and crying. Jeez, it’s not worth the photo-op.

    cbi (1fa75a)

  5. I know there’s math going on here that I don’t understand but how can they call these races with so small a percentage of precincts reporting? I’m glad they don’t call college football games like that. “well, Bob, LSU is up 10-0, it looks like another blowout win for Auburn.”

    It’s weird to me.

    Linus (c376df)

  6. Very early returns from Ca Secretary of State. Arnold winning, no surprise. Tom McClintock ahead, that surprises me a little. Cruz losing (“I lost 70 pounds – vote for me” – stupidest campaign ever). McPherson leading. Governor Moon Beam – make AG Moonbeam way ahead.

    InlandEmpireView (602238)

  7. Does anyone have a better site for updating the California elections? The state site sucks.

    InlandEmpireView (602238)

  8. There goes the house! According to Fox. Damn.

    AndrewGurn (8a0c5d)

  9. This sucks. Speaker Pelosi, Charlie Rangel jacking up taxes on the ways and means commitee..

    AndrewGurn (8a0c5d)

  10. Strangely enough, if there’s one bright light in this election, it may be California. Republicans leading in elections I never thought they would.

    Still the numbers are changing with every page refresh.

    US Senate still holding on.

    InlandEmpireView (602238)

  11. say hello to speaker pelosi! lieberman won, aww shit. no six-gun salute tonight. so far none of my predictions have failed to come true, horserace in virginia, webb down about 9000 votes with 98% of the precincts counted, but he was down about 30,000 a half hour ago, charging. c’mon baby!

    assistant devil's advocate (356a83)

  12. At 2032 Hrs:

    Arnold: 62.6
    McClintock: 51.6
    McPherson: 51.6
    Strickland: 46.7
    Lockyer: 49.6
    Brown: 51.7
    Poizner: 56.2

    InlandEmpireView (602238)

  13. Results starting to come in from the conservative counties of the Inland Empire; look for republican increases.

    InlandEmpireView (602238)

  14. It’s all on Virgnia now.. of course, we won’t know till probably next month. RECOUNT TIME!

    AndrewGurn (8a0c5d)

  15. Also.. where are all these republican rigged Diebold machines?

    AndrewGurn (8a0c5d)

  16. The dem’s were never interested in voting integrity – just the outcome. All of the whining about evoting was just pretext for legal challenges. Look for challenges in California from the DFA crowd, seeing as how it looks (just now) like repub’s are gonna get a majority of statewide offices.

    InlandEmpireView (602238)

  17. I’m excited about the Democrats having to run Congress and actually explain why higher taxes and amnesty are good for America. I can’t wait for them to hold all those hearings where their paranoia will be on display for the world whose opinion they care so much about. This is gonna be fun. :)

    sharon (dfeb10)

  18. This is gonna be fun.

    it sure is.

    actus (10527e)

  19. Boy, is that Kirsten Powers a stone cold fox or what?

    Is there a reason Shepherd Smith is stepping all over her analysis? She tries to be nice and wait for him to finish, but I think I speak for most when I say, “Shep. Shut your pie hole.”

    Linus (c376df)

  20. The new not-quite-touch-screen machines operated flawlessly in my precinct, to my great surprise.

    There were a surprising number of people who were mysteriously unregistered since June, and they were *very* upset about it. When I called the county, all of them were alleged to have moved out of county.

    I’m shocked at how well the Republicans are doing in California.

    aphrael (9e8ccd)

  21. Aphrael –

    I’m surprised how well Repub are doing as well – though I’m pleased. I don’t think it means any great swing in sentiment in my beloved land of fruits and nuts, though the propositions (and selections for statewide office) show a decidedly more conservative, or maybe moderate, turn.

    I think that two factors are in work here; Arnold’s surprising long coattails and the Dem’s incredibly lame slate. Is there any Dem in the Golden State who wasn’t embarrassed by Cruz’s “I used to be fat – vote for me!” campaign? The Dem’s who did succeed were, for the most part, recycled liberals from a frankly more moderate Demo party of days gone by. Lockyer and Brown, as much as I hate to admit it, are staples of the California scene and have at least a nodding acquaintance with reality, something no Kos Kid ever possessed and, despite the Lamont slap-down, never seem to learn from their mistakes.

    What’s that make Kos – 0 for 12?

    InlandEmpireView (602238)

  22. InlandEmpireView: I had expected Poizner to win, but the numbers that McPherson and McClintock are getting are astounding me. When I posted earlier, Strickland was leading, but he isn’t any more, and Mountjoy had *40%*, which made me … skeptical … of the numbers.

    I think it will narrow but I still expect McPherson and McClintock to pull it out.

    aphrael (9e8ccd)

  23. Aphrael:

    The more conservative southern counties are only now trickling in, but with the exception of the Governor and Insurance Commissioner, I think most of the races are statistical dead heats.

    But I’ve wondered if the long-term demographics are changing, if ever so slightly. We’re looking at a large Latino population, well on it’s way to rivaling the majority white numbers. And, just in my experience, while they’re fiscally pretty liberal, socially they can be quite conservative. Most of them are living examples of improving their lot by hard work and not government largess. Catholic, not generally considered a hotbed of liberal thought (despite the shameful campaigning of Bishops for the Demo party.)

    So, do you think we may be seeing the start of a shift the pulse of the electorate?

    Just wondering…

    InlandEmpireView (602238)

  24. I generally don’t give a crap about federal elections as the two parties have so few differences between them that I often can’t tell the players apart without a program. However, I think the first words out of the White House on losing the house concerned a return to Bush’s amnesty proposal.

    That’s ominous…

    InlandEmpireView (602238)

  25. if the demo senate candidates win in virginia, missouri and montana (and they’re all ahead now) my forecast on the prediction thread will be spot on. bow to your master!
    the 50% of the people in missouri who voted against the measure allowing stem cell research all deserve to end up like michael j. fox. of course, in some of those holy roller churches, they look like that right now.
    i guess you had to be there sunday in the kentucky church when the woman handling the poisonous snake was fatally bitten. yes, you **can** do this safely as long as 1) you have sufficient faith, and 2) you pick it up directly behind the head, just so. crikey!

    assistant devil's advocate (fd08e8)

  26. Clinton-Pelosi ’08: has a nice ring to it. The two most powerful elected women in the US, from the two most populous states. It’s the new mainstream. You go girls!

    Jack_S (12815c)

  27. That’ll teach me not to read early returns: now Schwarzenegger and Poizner are the only Republicans winning statewide (and I expected them to win six weeks ago — nobody likes either Angelides or Bustamante).

    aphrael (9e8ccd)

  28. Say, what exactly were the Democrats’ non-existant plans for America? Never heard anything but critiquing and complaining.

    First order of business should be government aid, healthcare and housing for all muslim extremists (because they’re essentially kind and decent people). Also, never judge a Quran by its cover.

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  29. First order of business should be government aid, healthcare and housing for all muslim extremists (because they’re essentially kind and decent people). Also, never judge a Quran by its cover.

    Whats going to happen now? Bush promised the terrorists would win if the dems win. What happens if the terrorists don’t win? More false promises by the right? Will we ever learn? Oh well. at least we have 08. If the terrorists don’t win by then, then we get another chance, as there are 21 GOP senate seats up against dem’s 12.

    actus (10527e)

  30. After much reflective, pains-taking soul-searching, I offer this: Yippee-Kay-Yay Expletive Deleted!

    Psyberian (edfa75)

  31. Regarding early CA returns: I can’t remember a single election I’ve followed since 1992 in which the early returns didn’t show the Republicans doing much better than they ended up doing statewide. This year appears to be no exception.

    Regarding this year’s election generally: fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. That is all.

    Xrlq (51d90f)

  32. Xrlq: I am in total agreement. If this impeachment shit goes down, I’m going to flip out.

    AndrewGurn (c37ea2)

  33. it sure is.

    Yep, no more excuses. Dems have to pony up now.

    sharon (dfeb10)

  34. Well, I guess the right-wing talking point for today is that at least these results should have the effect of forcing the Dems to participate and come up with real solutions to the problems we face, rather than sit in the back benches and shoot spitballs at the leadership. Not that I am super-optimistic that they will suddenly turn into statesmen and stateswomen.

    It will also be interesting to see how Speaker Pelosi deals with the Blue Dog Democrats that won in the South and Mountain West. I somehow don’t see them voting for a Murtha-esque “Bring the troops home right now!” type of measure. After she gets their votes for raising the minimum wage and tinkering at the margins of health care, will she be able to keep them in line?

    JVW (c12cdd)

  35. So, how long do you think it will take Cheney to deny that he claimed the Republicans would hold onto the House?

    “I never said that. Take him away.”

    Leviticus (43095b)

  36. Oooh, and it looks like Webb and Tester are ahead. Recount time. Call up the Supreme Court.

    “fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. That is all.”

    -Xrlq

    Where’s Althor when we need him (for once)?

    Leviticus (43095b)

  37. Ya@!! we dont want want to talk about Bush impeachment..after all killing thousands in a needless war doesnt begin to compare with the horror of lying about a BJ, now does it!! :)

    Now you can reap the results of the crap you have sown for all these years.. Fortunately, for you and Bush crew, Pelosi will not move for impeachment, much as it is deserved, on behalf of those who died because of Bush’s arrogance and ignorance not to mention his attack on Constitutional government..something which I am sure bothers few of his supporters. Talk of impeachment is just more of your “Fright-wing” talk..

    What you are really afraid of is that the Democrats may to do you what you did to them when Clinton was in power.. Aint payback a bitch??

    But dont worry..there is no need to do as you did and attack Bush with false charges and wild accusations. A simple expose of how Bush and crew have followed the fascist handbook of lying and manipulating and dividing the people, creating fear and hate and even falsely leading us to war killing thousands for false and misleading reasons, all under the guize of being a Christian, will do. The only thing you have to fear is the truth..thus I can certainly understand your concern!!

    charlie (55cd2b)

  38. X — perhaps the difference is that this is the first election in years where i’ve been home early enough to see the conservative-leaning early returns?

    That, and SoS was *surprisingly* close in the end.

    aphrael (9e8ccd)

  39. Tammy Duckworth lost…Wow.

    For all the Right’s talk of “patriotism”…apparently the word is pretty fucking ambiguous.

    I guess people didn’t have the balls to have the reality of war staring them in the face every time their representative took the stage. Cowards.

    Leviticus (43095b)

  40. Yep, no more excuses. Dems have to pony up now.

    I just love the two-party system! The era of a Rubber-Stamp legislative branch is over–as it should be.

    Tom (eb6b88)

  41. For all those who were saying that a win for Democrats is a win for the terrorists ( you know, Bush, Cheney, Rove and almost the entire right wing blogosphere, the “responsible”, grown up people ) you may now sign the terms of surrender. The war is over. The terrorist have won. Bend over while Nancy Pelosi cut’s your heads off one by one.

    Paul (e16d8e)

  42. America to Bush: Prepare to be spanked.

    Radioguy (e796c2)

  43. “Bend over while Nancy Pelosi cut’s your heads off one by one” and then taxes your estate. And THEN sends your children a check for the burial.

    BWA HA HA HA!

    Leviticus (43095b)

  44. Shorter Leviticus: anyone who doesn’t support my candidate must hate America and/or lack balls. It’s too bad more Democrats didn’t campaign on that platform before the election. It’s never too early to launch a “Vote for us, you ignorant, unpatriotic, cowardly jerks” campaign for ’08, though.

    Xrlq (ee230f)

  45. Leviticus Comment # 40, wrote:

    “Tammy Duckworth lost…Wow.

    For all the Right’s talk of “patriotism”…apparently the word is pretty fucking ambiguous.

    I guess people didn’t have the balls to have the reality of war staring them in the face every time their representative took the stage. Cowards.”

    She crashed her helicopter, got her crewmates killed and lost her legs. Just exactly the kind of leader we want.

    nk (2e1372)

  46. The locals seem a little quiet today but I have some news to cheer them up. All your favorite corrupt ex-congres critters will have no trouble finding work in the corporations they have been buttering up for the last decade.

    Just look at this company IDT, the worlds third largest international phone company. Run by James Courter, former republican congressman from New Jersey, had hired five prominent republicans to their board of directors. Jeane Kirkpatrick, ambassador to U.N. under Reagan. Jack Kemp, former congressman from New York. Rudy Boschwitz, former senator from Minnesota. James S. Gilmore III, former governor of Virginia. Thomas Slade Gorton III, former senator from Washington State.

    Of course these republican big-wigs are hired to provide cover for the company when they engage in shady deals. Only one problem, like rats from a sinking ship, or neocons on the Iraq war, they cut and run when things heat up.

    Now that the company is under suspicion for bribing it’s way to the top in notoriously corrupt countries and the target of a RICO lawsuit from Haiti where they are also accused of bribery, the rats (republicans) are strangly dissapearing from the board of directors.

    William F. Weld, former republican governor of Massachusetts and former IDT board member, has also been getting paid millions of dollars a year into his law firm to do who knows what.

    But don’t worry about any of these ex-board members either. They will do alright with stock options and die millionairs if not in jail.

    Just a little reminder that every cloud has a silver lining. Now that all these republicans have been freed from the burden of official office they can begin to reap the benifits of the bounty they have sown for corporate America.

    Paul (e16d8e)

  47. “anyone who doesn’t support my candidate must hate America and/or lack balls”

    -Xrlq

    Don’t be a dumbass. Even if this is my position, I didn’t invent it: I learned it. From the best.

    What do you think the Republicans have been running on for the past four years?

    “She crashed her helicopter, got her crewmates killed and lost her legs. Just exactly the kind of leader we want”

    -nk

    Like I said, so much for respecting the sacrifices of combat veterans. That’s a pretty sickening remark, nk…

    Leviticus (43095b)

  48. Thats right nk, and Pat Tillman was an idiot for getting shot by his own marines. Ann Coulter is right, bravery begins at home, which is why the brave stay at home. Leviticus made a point about her patriotism, she went to fight in the first place.

    I guess we need a new category of war wounded. Maybe an orange heart for soldiers wounded by their own doing. That way the right wing wackos will know who to spit on (rhetoricly of course, they don’t have the balls to do it in person).

    Then we can start giving yellow hearts to all the people who cheer the war, belittle the wounded, and stay at home.

    Paul (e16d8e)

  49. I suspect that the list of committee chairs is going to look like the apple dumpling gang. Will the Dems allow the face of their party look so stupid every time the TV cameras are on? I hope that the reasonable members of their party take charge and put the likes of Waters, Jackson Lee, Waxman and so on out in left field.

    RAS

    Ray 60304 (ffddf3)

  50. First casualty of the election . . . Donald Rumsfeld

    C Student (c949f7)

  51. Leviticus, my point was that you have a stupid idea. I never blamed you for inventing it, nor, for that matter, for having had an original thought on any topic. Do you really think “Maybe I have a stupid idea, but some Republicans have that stupid idea, too” is a serious counter-argument?

    Xrlq (ee230f)

  52. This just in. Bush fires Rumsfeld, nominates Bill Gates.

    So this is how Bush reaches out to democrats? Gates is a spook who believes in Big Brother government. It fits in perfectly with Bush’s desire to make the U.S.A. into a police state. If the Democrats roll over on this they are wimps, but I already know that so I’m sure they will.

    Paul (e16d8e)

  53. “Bill” is a rather odd nickname for Robert, if you ask me.

    Xrlq (ee230f)

  54. Robert Gates, former head of CIA, not Bill Gates former head of Microserfs

    C Student (c949f7)

  55. Character counts, and the unseemly display of mean-spirited petty insults isn’t going to help create an environment conducive to bi-partisan cooperation.

    It shouldn’t be necessary to remind folks the GOP holds the White House and Dems now lead the legislative branch, consequently America can’t move forward unless we work together.

    Small minded bickering, especially just now, only hurts the prospect for a better future for all of us. If you have any self respect, now is the time to wise up and show some class. But, of course, it’s up to you. Water seeks its own level.

    mokus (56972e)

  56. Here’s the agenda. Democrats complain but never explain.

    Fully looking forward now to the solutions they have in mind. God knows we have no idea what they want, and I suspect that as highly-paid professional armchair critics, they don’t either.

    Enjoy it now, because unless you guys offer up some JFK-style liberalism, you’ll end up in the same junk heap as Jimmy Carter. Get crackin and surprise us with that Big Fix you keep talking about.

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  57. “Do you really think “Maybe I have a stupid idea, but some Republicans have that stupid idea, too” is a serious counter-argument?”

    -Xrlq

    My point is that, in the game of politics, this isn’t a stupid idea at all. It’s effective. It works.

    It’s still morally bankrupt.

    Besides, you missed the point of my original statement. I wasn’t calling any CANDIDATE a hypocritical coward (thus endorsing another candidate by proxy); I was calling Illinois VOTERS cowards for putting “Support Our Troops” stickers on their bumpers and then voting against a candidate who, coincidently, WAS “our troops”. In the flesh, or at least about two-thirds of it.

    You know, it’s pretty ironic that those stickers are yellow. I can’t really think of a more appropriate color.

    Maybe black.

    “I never blamed you…for having had an original thought on any topic”

    -Xrlq

    That’s true, and, seeing how much you hate original ideas, I’m surprised. But honestly, Xrlq, who out there has *truly* original ideas?
    Have you ever had an idea that no one else had?

    Even if you answer yes, can you be sure?

    The originality is in the justification of the stance, not the stance itself, and even that’s a reach with 6 billion people on the planet.

    That said, bitch all you want…Loser.

    Leviticus (43095b)

  58. Right, Robert Gates. I was typing while listening to Bush who did a good job dissembling. But really, at least he made an overture to work with the Dems. Necessity is the mother of invention.

    Paul (e16d8e)

  59. “…America can’t move forward unless we work together”

    -mokus

    Nobody was interested in “working together” when the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress.

    Even with a gridlock, the Democrats can dig up dirt on this administration for the next two years and then use it to fucking steamroll whatever poor sap steps up in ’08.

    *phew*

    We’ll compose ourselves, mokus. Just give us a day or so to breathe a collective sigh of relief… to an extent, we’re out of the woods.

    Leviticus (43095b)

  60. Besides, we’ve taken so many steps *back* under this administration we’d end up at zero no matter how many steps we took forward. Constant reparation for two years isn’t enough to offset constant destruction for six.

    The Dems are just here to stop the bleeding until the ambulance arrives.

    Leviticus (43095b)

  61. Vermont Neighbor still does not know what Democrats want. Here’s an idea. Pick up a newspaper, turn on CNN or even Fox. They have been reporting on it for weeks now. The Dems want to start off with a higher minimum wage. They want to fix some of the screw-ups the republicans built into the perscription drug bill. They wan’t to work with the President to get a comprehensive guest worker plan. They want to help Americans afford tuition in college. They want to start redeploying the troops out of Iraq.

    What they should work on next and many want to:

    National health coverage.
    Alternative energy research.
    Investigate Iraq/Katrina contractor fraud.
    Help Katrina victims get their life back on track.
    Investigate the lies that got us into Iraq.
    Voting reform.
    Fix no child left behind.
    Responsibly fund first-responders and get them a nationaly uniform communications apparatus.

    Vermont Neighbor, don’t blame the Dems for your own ignorance.

    Paul (e16d8e)

  62. Dems are welcome to take some time, a week or two, catch their breath, crow a bit, and celebrate their victory with joy and gusto. It’s their due, and I don’t have a problem with it. Heck, I’m busy trying to convince myself it might even be good for America. I haven’t succeeded but I am trying.

    So, the country faces serious challenges and we need to establish a basis for cooperation so we can move the country forward. It’s difficult for Dems and the GOP to work together because of all the acrimony and bitterness which have been all too commonplace for the last several years.

    I don’t expect everyone to kiss and make up the day after an election, but I do want to caution against excessive bravado which will only make things more difficult after the party’s over and it’s time to clean up the mess and get back to the business of running the government.

    By all means, enjoy the great victory, have some fun, get a little wild, but don’t let things get so far out of hand the well gets poisoned. Even a deliriously happy donkey is going to need a refreshing drink before long.

    mokus (56972e)

  63. Mokus, from the other side: thank you. :) I’m overjoyed, and will take a day or two of celebration — I don’t think I could refrain from that, to be honest — but in the end you are right; we need to find a way to work together, to reach out across the divide and find common ground.

    That responsibility adheres to the left and the right equally, and I hope everyone will take it on.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  64. “It’s difficult for Dems and the GOP to work together because of all the acrimony and bitterness which have been all too commonplace for the last several years.”

    -mokus

    This is true, and both parties are equally responsible.

    As far as you not being able to convince yourself that the Dems will be “good” for America, I understand. I am fairly sick of the Democratic Party myself; I think it adhere’s too weakly to its tenets.

    That said, while I don’t think this switch will be particulary “good” in the big scheme of things; I think it will be “better”. It’s a first step, and it’s all I can ask for.

    Overall, my joy is not for the recipients of power but for the switch itself (thus “relief” rather than “vindication”).

    Leviticus (1daf74)

  65. Paul, you should be the first to embrace the fact that your party has not been chosen for its agenda. It’s like being the last girl at the dance with no one else on the floor. Keep your crowing to a minimum, especially with Nancy Pelosi as your bright light. That should be fun backfire to watch as soon as that happens — and rest assured, it will. Many of us have been disappointed by Bush on the domestic front and that’s where the votes came from. You know that.

    I’ve read most of your posts and it’s the usual depressing, discouraging, impractical agenda-driven vote-grabbing sense of entitlement dribble.

    Key to your last missive is you didn’t even bother to ping Muslim hatred which exists outside of any president, outside of any political party, and is squarely aimed at all Americans, including you and your flower-toting ilk. If peace were the answer, we would have it by now. Wrap your head around that. The first attack on WTC. The USS Cole and Embassy bombing. Saddam’s providing safe harbor to terrorists, which he did. Do you actually blame any politician for the actions of jihad rule? Get off Fox and CNN and the other mundane sites you visit and join the real world. Surf the net and read passages of the Quran. Your leaving that out actually defines the most dangerous type of ignorance. But face it, Dems are renowned for backtracking. 9/11 is just a memory, huh? Someone else’s problem. You’d rather coddle the infestation of illegal “guest workers” who bring crime and disease, as well as take jobs from Hispanics and citizens both.

    Absolutely no awareness that Hugo Chavez and anti-American guerrillas and Saddam wannabes are actively plotting more acts of destruction. North Korea, Iran. You have to think globally as well as design solutions here at home.

    You want to raise the minimum wage? That will dump more unemployed workers on the street, and companies will shutter their doors.

    National health coverage had a brief run in the public eye, as I recall. Ain’t gonna work. Pick your doctor and get your operation now, before months turn into years.

    Your whole sense of entitlement plan nauseates me. I don’t have things I need in my life but I sure as hell don’t blame the government.

    Who pays for the alternative energy research? We need the corporate tax revenue. On that note, gas should be sky-high so people will quit griping and take the bus.

    College tuition goes up to pay for social programs. Where you planning on getting the money for your checklist? Can we control the borders, stabilize wages and workers and be responsible for our own needs? Get a backbone.

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  66. God blessed America. Finally.

    Asinistra (ee4de5)

  67. “Surf the net and read passages of the Quran”

    -Vermont Neighbor

    I would if I didn’t have to worry about getting shipped off to Syria in the middle of the night for visiting “possible jihadi websites” or some other bullshit like that.

    By the way, do you own a copy of the Quran? If so, fine. If not, the verses you do know are probably being fed to you by some right-wing hack with an axe to grind.

    “You’d rather coddle the infestation of illegal “guest workers” who…take jobs from Hispanics and citizens both.”

    -Vermont Neighbor

    Speaking of Freudian slips…

    Some Hispanics *are* citizens, VN. They’re not ALL “guest workers” waiting to be deported, as is your implication.

    Oops.

    Leviticus (1daf74)

  68. While I’m on my moral high horse, I have a few words for the firebrands on my side of the political divide. Yes, we have legitimate greviences, but now isn’t the time to list them, or to point fingers at the Dems. Let them have their day in the sun. Let them celebrate in peace, we can take them on after the party’s over.

    We lost, they won big time, and it’s our own darn fault. So, lets suck it up, and face it like men. American voters, Conservatives among them, have decided they don’t want to go any further down the road with the current GOP leadership in Congress.

    I agree, it always was a marriage of convenience, and we looked the other way while they sold us out and betrayed our principles. Now, the bill for our neglect has come due, and it’s time to pay the piper.

    Rejection is a bitter pill to swallow, but swallow it we must. Now is the time to prove our mettle and show what we’re made of. So, no excuses, no second guessing, and no whining, Conservatives don’t whine.

    Let’s show our friends and our enemies we can take a hard hit, learn our lessons well, and come back stronger and better that ever.

    mokus (56972e)

  69. “I agree, it always was a marriage of convenience, and we looked the other way while they sold us out and betrayed our principles. Now, the bill for our neglect has come due, and it’s time to pay the piper.”

    -mokus

    Elegant. Very elegant.

    Leviticus (1daf74)

  70. Paul #49:

    Actually, Tammy Duckworth was shot down by a terrorist rocket while on a mission. What I said about her was only a paraphrase of what the left has been saying about the Administration, the Pentagon and many of our servicemen for the last three years. You lefties only love our veterans when you can exploit them to attack your political opposition and, worse, to attack their comrades who are still fighting our country’s battles.

    nk (b57bfb)

  71. yeah, Leviticus. This country has really limited your speech, expressions, movements and activities. Like how? Just sample the book and read the passages. Accept the jihad revolt or stick your head in the sand while a Democrat puts a probe up your sphincter.

    Unfortunately, I meant what I wrote: Taking jobs from Hispanics and citizens. I expect you to figure out that means old-school Hispanics who are against infestation; immigrants who came here legally and illegally; as well as citizens who are what you’d basically call, well… citizens.

    Careful of those black helicopters flying over your house. You know how limiting these 498,000 blogs on the internets can be.

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  72. It should never come into discussion, but when do politicians play fair? Good point, nk.

    You lefties only love our veterans when you can exploit them to attack your political opposition and, worse, to attack their comrades who are still fighting our country’s battles.

    This is where Ann Coulter hurt the conservative message. Her point (/your point) was buried in hate and venom and actually sailed over most people’s heads. Veterans serve. Politics are dirty.

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  73. FOR PAUL:
    Hey, pops. What do you think about this one? Politicians for the most part are interchangeable:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Staunch union supporter Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has received the Cesar Chavez Award from the United Farmworkers Union. But the $25 million Northern California vineyard she and her husband own is a non-union shop.

    The hypocrisy doesn’t end there. Pelosi has received more money from the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees union than any other member of Congress in recent election cycles.

    But the Pelosis own a large stake in an exclusive hotel in Rutherford, Calif. It has more than 250 employees. But none of them are in a union, according to Schweizer, author of “The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty” and a regular contributor to the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and other periodicals.

    The Pelosis are also partners in a restaurant chain called Piatti, which has 900 employees. The chain is – that’s right, a non-union shop.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  74. Hey, Leviticus, who’d you vote for?

    sharon (dfeb10)

  75. Nobody was interested in “working together” when the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress.

    Dems weren’t interested in “working together” the last time they controlled Congress, either. For 40 years they weren’t interested in “working together.” That’s why a lot of Republicans were eager to treat them like shit once they were on the other end of the stick.

    Even with a gridlock, the Democrats can dig up dirt on this administration for the next two years and then use it to fucking steamroll whatever poor sap steps up in ‘08.

    Yes, please, dig up all the dirt you want so the American people can be disgusted by that partisan display. It will make it much easier for Republicans.

    BTW, I haven’t heard any discussion yet about sharing committee chairs in the spirit of bipartisanship by Ms. Pelosi. Any bets on when that will happen?

    sharon (dfeb10)

  76. Vermont Neighbor, #73:

    I am even worse than our host at parody and sarcasm. I made myself sound as though I were truly attacking Tammy Duckworth. Her district adjoins mine and everybody, including her opponent, considers her a person worthy of honor and respect. She lost because she was running in as “safe” a Republican district as you can get in the Chicago metropolitan area. It was Henry Hyde’s seat and, in my opinion, she lost on the abortion issue (Henry Hyde was the author of the Hyde Amendment which prohibits the use of federal funds for abortions). I let little, still-wet-behind-the-ears Leviticus get my goat. In retrospect, I should have written: So Bob Dole won in 1996?

    nk (57e995)

  77. the Democrats can dig up dirt on this administration for the next two years and then use it to fucking steamroll whatever poor sap steps up in ‘08.

    Rudy Giuliani could run in ’08. And isn’t he scandal-free? A past divorce shouldn’t matter too much in this day and age. Especially in light of how he handled 9/11 and the aftermath.

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  78. nk, #73: Good analysis. Sounds likely what with the Hyde amendment.

    Leviticus talks in a lot of “air quotes.” So take it for what it’s worth. And again, he points out that the Democratic party wasn’t voted in for its strengths or talent. It was a hold your nose and vote victory.

    Overall, my joy is not for the recipients of power but for the switch itself

    But what makes it unusual, it wasn’t just a few key races. James Webb winning Virginia?*@!?*?? I mean, my god someone help explain those passages from his book. Again, this is the party that’s selective about Morals: when they’re convenient, when they can be exploited for gain and when they can be brushed under the table. I agree with Don Imus, there are just other ways to illustrate the horrors of war without holding a toddler upside down for a good suck. That cultural excerpt doesn’t translate to this part of the world.

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  79. Rudy Giuliani could run in ‘08. And isn’t he scandal-free? A past divorce shouldn’t matter too much in this day and age. Especially in light of how he handled 9/11 and the aftermath.

    I wouldn’t be too sure. Old prejudices like that die hard. When I first heard talk radio making fun of Nancy Pelosi’s looks, I was disgusted that we aren’t all grown up enough to get beyond that.

    And I agree with mokus about giving Dems their day. I congratulated them at my own blog and I do congratulate them now. They managed to keep from making mistakes either by giving away strategy (does anyone know yet what the plan is for Iraq?) or behaving in crazy lib ways that would turn off voters. Because of the landmines Republicans have dealt with, particularly in the last month or so, Democrats just didn’t have to run mean, ruthless ads painting Republicans as satanic warlords. The scandals and incompetence on display did the work for them.

    sharon (dfeb10)

  80. Yep, no more excuses. Dems have to pony up now.

    There wont be any ponies. Sorry. But there will be an 100 hour agenda and oversight.

    actus (10527e)

  81. Maybe I haven’t seen enough pictures of Nancy Pelosi, but she looks great for 66.

    Gadz, the lady still has lips and bone structure, a nice haircut… all after having 5 kids in 6 years’ time! She’s a loose cannon and dangerous leftist, but her looks should not be the topic of talk radio.

    Rudy’s divorce was pretty wicked so that may be a campaign deterrent. I don’t like how he handled the split, but considering 9/11 dwarfs anything in comparison he almost gets a free pass.

    Democratic voters have been through much stress recently and can enjoy a cathartic release. But we all want the country to do better. I don’t think the leading Democratic voices in politics, media or entertainment have treated President Bush with the basic, appropriate respect that he deserves. The stray bullets of humor and nastiness have gone well past what’s appropriate or even truthful for an American leader – of either political party. I withhold today’s congratulations mainly based on that. I grant them a huge sigh of relief and hope that the democratic sweep will encourage many now to value and appreciate this country. Because it’s easy for all of us to take it for granted.

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  82. Maybe I haven’t seen enough pictures of Nancy Pelosi, but she looks great for 66.

    Have you seen this one?

    Patterico (de0616)

  83. That’s a really bad pose, or the photographer got lucky. I know we should all chortle and point, but her teeth look great and outside of the photographer pulling a nasty flash snap, she still has good features.

    Barney Frank is disgusting. But we shouldn’t talk about men or women that way. Please forgive me.

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  84. “Hey, Leviticus, who’d you vote for?”

    -sharon

    Ha Ha Ha! Good one sharon! BTW, I look forward to the day I can have that drink with you LOL!!!!

    I didn’t vote, but I spent twelve (12) hours doing exit polling in a heavily Republican district. Does that meet your expectations? Am I a good little boy?

    I’m going to give a sigh of exasperation and accept the fact that you prove my point about immaturity at an old age without even realizing it.

    ” You lefties only love our veterans when you can exploit them to attack your political opposition and, worse, to attack their comrades who are still fighting our country’s battles.”

    -nk

    There are *plenty* of Democrats fighting in this war, nk. There are *plenty* of Democratic parents who want their children back. Are you really going to try to strong-arm these people into supporting your party by saying that anyone who doesn’t comply is “attacking their comrades”?

    ” Her district adjoins mine and everybody, including her opponent, considers her a person worthy of honor and respect.”

    -nk

    Okay. I couldn’t really believe that someone who speaks so honorably of veterans would say would you said and mean it to be taken literally…that said, you could’ve made it a little clearer that you were trying to be sarcastic. Either way, sorry I misunderstood you.

    What are “air quotes”, by the way?

    Leviticus (43095b)

  85. Oops! Never mind. I know what they are, I just hadn’t heard them referred to thus.

    Leviticus (43095b)

  86. Leviticus, #85:

    I apologize. I made myself sound as though I were attacking her. I should have been more restrained especially when discussing such a person as Major Duckworth. Anyway, for the reason she lost see my comment #77.

    nk (57e995)

  87. Yeah, the Hyde thing makes sense. Good point.

    Leviticus (43095b)

  88. There wont be any ponies. Sorry. But there will be an 100 hour agenda and oversight.

    Sure there will. That’s what Dems are calling “oversight.”

    sharon (dfeb10)

  89. Ha Ha Ha! Good one sharon! BTW, I look forward to the day I can have that drink with you LOL!!!!

    I didn’t vote, but I spent twelve (12) hours doing exit polling in a heavily Republican district. Does that meet your expectations? Am I a good little boy?

    I’m going to give a sigh of exasperation and accept the fact that you prove my point about immaturity at an old age without even realizing it.

    I know. I love watching you have to answer every gibe about your age. That’s what makes it so special. Especially when there are more substantive post you could be answering.

    sharon (dfeb10)

  90. “…there will be an 100 hour agenda and oversight.”

    -actus

    I think it’s a little naive to assume that the Dems are really serious about a “100 hour plan”. Maybe they’ll get some things done in the next two years, but I’d be surprised if they got anything groundbreaking through the Oval Office.

    The oversight is good, though.

    Leviticus (35fbde)

  91. I think the “100 hour plan” is a bad idea; 100 hours isn’t a very long time, and they’ll look terrible if they don’t meet it.

    There’s an old saw about underpromising and overdelivering, and I think that Speaker-presumptive Pelosi would be better to do that than to overpromise and underdeliver.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  92. If you believe the canard that Dubya only wanted to have been President and not to be President, this is a godsend for him. It’s his personal exit strategy. Cut and run from Iraq — blame the Democrats. Amnesty for illegals — it’s what the Congress voted. Harriett Miers for the Supreme Court — she was the only one he could get confirmed. It certainly preserves his legacy. He did his best but he was stymied by an obstreperous Democrat Congress. Kind of like Eisenhower.

    Just to clear, I said “canard”. I think we are going to get amnesty for illegals and probably lose the fence because that’s what both the President and the Democrats want but otherwise he is serious on the war on terror and he is serious about appointing conservative Justices and lower court judges.

    (Oh, excrement. Eisenhower appointed Earl Warren.)

    nk (4cd0c2)

  93. I agree, Aphrael. I’m not sure who decided the “100 anything” was a great way to govern. I realize it harkens back to FDR’s first 100 days in office, but what worked or was needed then doesn’t work now. It’s just a gimmick.

    We’ll have a raise in the minimum wage and amnesty for illegal aliens. Beyond that, it’s anybody’s guess.

    sharon (dfeb10)

  94. Sure there will. That’s what Dems are calling “oversight.”

    It’s quite sad that agency oversight is a pony. To me its business as usual. As it should be.

    Maybe they’ll get some things done in the next two years, but I’d be surprised if they got anything groundbreaking through the Oval Office.

    I think part of the plan is to submit popular things to the oval office. Which bush can then accept, or veto. Popular things like lowering prescrition drug costs, or improving the minimum wage. It’s part of the benefit of now having agenda setting power.

    It’s just a gimmick.

    Its as if it was a contract.

    actus (10527e)

  95. It’s quite sad that agency oversight is a pony. To me its business as usual. As it should be.

    I assume you felt this way during the Clinton adminstration? Back then, Democrats called it “smearing.”

    Popular things like lowering prescrition drug costs, or improving the minimum wage.

    Like adjusting the AMT for inflation? Or making the tax cuts permanent? Those are popular, too.

    sharon (dfeb10)

  96. I assume you felt this way during the Clinton adminstration? Back then, Democrats called it “smearing.”

    agency oversight. I don’t think the GOP was doing that.

    Like adjusting the AMT for inflation? Or making the tax cuts permanent? Those are popular, too.

    Ergo the power of agenda setting. But I don’t think deficits or spending cuts are popular. Thats part of why the tax cuts expire: because we can’t afford them.

    actus (10527e)

  97. Actus,

    Don’t be such a piker. Now that we have control we should push for a Negative Income Tax. Guaranteed Federal Living Assistance for every citizen in America — I think a guaranteed $36,500.00 per year per person is reasonable. Stamps for heroin for drug addicts and stamps for whiskey for alcoholics (make mine Jameson’s). Mandatory same-sex experimentation at age sixteen in high school so that children can be liberated from medieval stereotypes of gender roles. A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage. Go ahead, add more.

    nk (50d578)

  98. Don’t be such a piker. Now that we have control we should push for a

    Well, I was told that a vote for the dems was a vote for the terrorists…

    actus (10527e)

  99. It was. But hell, until they come over here we should just live well.

    nk (8214ee)

  100. It was. But hell, until they come over here we should just live well.

    Well, that will put a crimp on your agenda from #98. So it looks like someone is wrong.

    actus (10527e)

  101. nk #98
    Love it. Great stuff!

    Now that we have control we should push for a Negative Income Tax. Guaranteed Federal Living Assistance for every citizen in America — I think a guaranteed $36,500.00 per year per person is reasonable. Stamps for heroin for drug addicts and stamps for whiskey for alcoholics (make mine Jameson’s). Mandatory same-sex experimentation at age sixteen in high school so that children can be liberated from medieval stereotypes of gender roles. A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage. Go ahead, add more.

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  102. Actus #101 and Vermont Neighbor #102,

    I think you both get it. The paranoid right and the loonie left should get together and possibly produce normal babies. Actus, I do believe, however, that you exaggerate your leftism.

    nk (2ab789)

  103. Actus, I do believe, however, that you exaggerate your leftism.

    Eh, I realize what we can do in this reactionary country. Nixon at once proposed negative income taxes. The business classes got real busy building an ideology against that. Things change. Money sometimes comes out ahead of people.

    But we will one day get everyone health care.

    actus (10527e)

  104. Thank you. I am in no sense a “fiscal conservative”. We live in a rich country, which became rich from the sweat and blood of the working man. Working men who won a war on two oceans. Most of us know that. Like I said, the extreme right and the extreme left should ….

    nk (2ab789)

  105. agency oversight. I don’t think the GOP was doing that.

    It’s always wonderful watching you spin things that are inconvenient into something different. Of course it’s different when the Democrats are the ones holding the endless, useless hearings designed merely to smear Republicans. I always wondered what all that agency oversight stuff meant in my Agency Law class.

    Ergo the power of agenda setting. But I don’t think deficits or spending cuts are popular. Thats part of why the tax cuts expire: because we can’t afford them.

    Raising people’s taxes isn’t popular with them, either.

    sharon (dfeb10)

  106. Of course it’s different when the Democrats are the ones holding the endless, useless hearings designed merely to smear Republicans.

    I’m not talking about just hearings. I’m talking about agency oversight. You know that congress does those right? You also know that looking into who the president is diddling is not overseeing an agency? right?

    I’m talking about governance. Its something that either party can do. Its rather unpartisan. The only reason I can think for democrats doing it is that they believe in governance.

    Raising people’s taxes isn’t popular with them, either.

    Then we’ll just keep the laws we have.

    actus (10527e)

  107. I’m not talking about just hearings. I’m talking about agency oversight. You know that congress does those right? You also know that looking into who the president is diddling is not overseeing an agency? right?

    Please don’t try to lecture me on the workings of Congress. I am well aware of what agency oversight is and I’m also well aware of what will happen with Democrats in Congress. This won’t be about making the government run better. It will be about televised hearings to make Republicans in general and George W. Bush in particular look incompetent and criminal. That’s what YOUR side wants, Actus. Just read their blogs.

    BTW, you’re right that impeachment wasn’t about agency oversight. It was about perjury and suborning perjury. You did learn about those in law school, right?

    I’m talking about governance. Its something that either party can do. Its rather unpartisan. The only reason I can think for democrats doing it is that they believe in governance.

    I’m not sure if you’re just naive or stupid. Maybe you aren’t old enough to remember the Iran-Contra hearings and the ad nauseam attempts by Democrats to smear every member of the Reagan administration. Maybe you don’t read lefty blogs and hear what they say they expect from a Democrat Congress. Even if they don’t try for impeachment (which Pelosi says she’s not interested in…yet), it’s ridiculous to assume Democrats will be noble and nonpartisan in their behavior. They didn’t do it before and history teaches us they won’t do it now.

    Then we’ll just keep the laws we have.

    I’ll bookmark this post for when Democrats start discussing tax “fairness” which is just code language for “raising taxes,” ok?

    sharon (dfeb10)

  108. This won’t be about making the government run better. It will be about televised hearings to make Republicans in general and George W. Bush in particular look incompetent and criminal. That’s what YOUR side wants, Actus. Just read their blogs.

    Oh I don’t doubt that will happen. And its a smart strategy for 08, and its a good thing that we will be investigating secretive programs. I’ve said before I’m an open government nut. But besides that, we will also get agency oversight. Its not sexy and it doesn’t make news, but it is good for governance. And democrats, who believe in government, do it.

    BTW, you’re right that impeachment wasn’t about agency oversight. It was about perjury and suborning perjury. You did learn about those in law school, right?

    Oh yes. and also, besides agency oversight, the democrats should constantly, without fail, keep telling people that they are NOT impeaching the president.

    Maybe you aren’t old enough to remember the Iran-Contra hearings and the ad nauseam attempts by Democrats to smear every member of the Reagan administration.

    I know. Can you believe they looked into whether we sold missles to islamists and gave the money to terrorists in contravention of the law? pshaw! governance!

    Maybe you don’t read lefty blogs and hear what they say they expect from a Democrat Congress.

    Sure I do. But I’m not stupid enough to think that what i read on a blog is all that congress will be doing. Of course the democrats are going to use the power the GOP had. Of course they’ll also do governance. Probably because they believe in it, but also because this election just showed us that its actually to your party’s advantage to govern well.

    I’ll bookmark this post for when Democrats start discussing tax “fairness” which is just code language for “raising taxes,” ok?

    I think closing loopholes is popular. We might be doing that. Also extending tax credits for popular things, like education. But as far as when tax rates are currently set in law to change, we may just keep the law that bush passed and signed into law. If its good enough for dubya, its good enough for you right?

    actus (10527e)

  109. Please don’t try to lecture me on the workings of Congress. I am well aware of what agency oversight is and I’m also well aware of what will happen with Democrats in Congress. This won’t be about making the government run better. It will be about televised hearings to make Republicans in general and George W. Bush in particular look incompetent and criminal.

    I’m not sure that this is true; I’m taking a wait-and-see attitude on that. Certainly it will be a mistake if it is true.

    But, while we’re on the subject, I was sort of under the impression that the current Congress had done very little in the way of agency oversight. How can we ensure that real bipartisan agency oversight happens?

    aphrael (12fba5)

  110. “It will be about televised hearings to make Republicans in general and George W. Bush in particular look incompetent and criminal”

    -sharon

    What Oversight will be about is televising investigative hearings that make a blowjob in the Oval Office look like the 700 Club.

    As far as Congress goes, Republicans in general and GW in particular ARE incompetent and criminal. Which isn’t to say that Democrats aren’t the same way, but what the hell… change is good, right sharon?

    Leviticus (43095b)

  111. Democrats do need to drop this nonsense regarding impeachment. This is not a matter of interpretation. Bill Clinton didn’t lie about a blow job.

    BTW, you’re right that impeachment wasn’t about agency oversight. It was about perjury and suborning perjury.

    The Clinton marriage is a politically aggressive non-traditional power structure designed to benefit two careers. He didn’t lie about a blow job… he had no need to lie about the norm. His law license was revoked for a reason, if anyone wants to face the truth about Mr. Charisma.

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  112. Say what you want about Clinton, he never gave up. And he won. At the end of his impeachment hearings, with all the sordid details having come out, his approval rating was over 60% and the Gingrich revolution was over. The Republican House Leader and the Republican Speaker both resigned and the Republicans suffered much worse losses in the 1998 mid-term election than in this one.

    Now, could Bush be impeached for being overaggressive in the defense of our country? I bet the Democrats are taking his measure. If he puts up one-tenth of the fight Clinton did, the Democrats not Bush will be toast in 2008.

    nk (former fetus) (5a2f98)

  113. P.S. And if Nancy Pelosi is not having wet dreams every night imagining impeaching both Bush and Cheney which would make her President of the United States then she’s not human.

    nk (5a2f98)

  114. “The Clinton marriage is a politically aggressive non-traditional power structure designed to benefit two careers”

    -Vermont Neighbor

    Yeah, just think of it: Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham are sitting around at Yale (probably smoking mar-i-wanna or doing something morally degenerate). Suddenly, Bill pipes up “Hillary, darling… I’m thinking of running for president in 17 years and I need a trophy wife…Will you marry me?” To which Hillary replied, “Despite the fact that you will probably be unfaithful to me, I too am a power-hungry monster; With a former president at my side, I will be able to raise untold amounts of money for my future Senate campaigns! I do!”

    And don’t even get me started on their *daughter*!

    “Hillary, darling… the American people expect all-American representation in this day and age. I’m afraid we must consumate our horrible vows and concieve a child… for PR’s sake.” To which Hillary replied, “Being that I am an inhuman monster who finds sex between married heterosexual people abhorrent (but not sex between unmarried and/or homosexual people, because I am a monster), I must nevertheless concur with your analysis. Make it quick!”

    What a chump…

    Leviticus (68eff1)

  115. “And if Nancy Pelosi is not having wet dreams every night…”

    -nk

    Is that physiologically possible? I think not. You’ve put her in a very difficult situation, nk: 1) Have wet dreams (not possible), or 2) Be inhuman (not preferable).

    How diabolic.

    Leviticus (68eff1)

  116. Its possible for a woman to have an orgasm in her sleep.

    G (722480)

  117. nk said “wet dream”.

    Leviticus (68eff1)

  118. Start with the fallout during the New Hampshire primaries and the 12-year relationship with a woman he loved. Bill is capable and talented at pursuing women he’s not married to. Fast forward through that campaign, the Presidency, numerous affairs and where the marriage is today. Most recently, he’s been with a socialite from Canada for the past few years.

    Are you trying to say this marriage is not for political reasons? It’s an opinion, I suppose. But it’s sure off base. If Bill had worked in medical sales, I’m sure Hillary would have left him long ago.

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  119. Oh, there’s no doubt he left with some fairly good numbers when the movers arrived. But he (and we) know he’ll never have the legacy he hoped for.

    Vermont Neighbor (456914)

  120. Okay, depends on your definition of “wet dream” then. Its still possible. Unless you stick to the specific definition as relating to men.

    G (722480)

  121. P.S. And if Nancy Pelosi is not having wet dreams every night imagining impeaching both Bush and Cheney which would make her President of the United States then she’s not human.

    You know, people do pass on the opportunity to become president.

    actus (10527e)

  122. Actus, you really need to give Leviticus trolling lessons.

    sharon (dfeb10)

  123. I was using “wet dreams” figuratively guys. Thanks to Actus, at least, for focusing on my suggestion of selfish motives for impeachment.

    nk (f58916)

  124. My apologies, guys. I realize that my JOKE was off topic.

    What the hell is “trolling”? I’ve asked before, but no one has told me yet.

    Leviticus (942410)

  125. Trolling is like a troublemaker trying to join in at a site. Sometimes they add a comment just to start a fight. (I think.) It could also be a lurker who decides to join in — not to to further the conversation but to cause trouble.

    Vermont Neighbor (c5e962)

  126. So tell me Bush lovers…if your son died in Iraq how would you feel about Georgie? A total liar? or just and ignorant moron who had to play act at being a “wartime President” in a war that he started and we are losing? How can decent Conservatives associate themselves with this man? Do I have to list his lies and failures? AGAIN??

    Charlie (55cd2b)

  127. Charlie: My brother was in the infantry, and has fought in both Iraq and Afghanistan in the last five years.

    I spent many nights in terror for his life. Why is this supposed to change my opinion of Bush?

    aphrael (9e8ccd)

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