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		<title>By: JunkYardBlog</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2006/10/19/larry-craig-story-hits-big-media-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-103274</link>
		<dc:creator>JunkYardBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Winning Ugly...&lt;/strong&gt;

As I write, Conrad Burns is still struggling in Montana but I&#039;m not hopeful. It looks like the big winner is the Democratic strategy of outing and smearing politicians who are gay, or politicians who might be gay, or politicians......</description>
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<p>As I write, Conrad Burns is still struggling in Montana but I&#8217;m not hopeful. It looks like the big winner is the Democratic strategy of outing and smearing politicians who are gay, or politicians who might be gay, or politicians&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2006/10/19/larry-craig-story-hits-big-media-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-91885</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;After all, the Lewinski thing was in now way connected to the Jones matter, other than as a credibility question (he had sex with an intern, therefor he’s more likely to put the moves on another staffer, even though he swears he didn’t). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

As it occurs, President Clinton had previously signed the new Federal Rules of Evidence, which specifically stated that the type of questions he would be asked concerning the lovely Miss Lewinsky were considered germane in sexual harassment cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>After all, the Lewinski thing was in now way connected to the Jones matter, other than as a credibility question (he had sex with an intern, therefor he’s more likely to put the moves on another staffer, even though he swears he didn’t). </p></blockquote>
<p>As it occurs, President Clinton had previously signed the new Federal Rules of Evidence, which specifically stated that the type of questions he would be asked concerning the lovely Miss Lewinsky were considered germane in sexual harassment cases.</p>
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		<title>By: James B. Shearer</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2006/10/19/larry-craig-story-hits-big-media-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-91497</link>
		<dc:creator>James B. Shearer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patterico asked:

&quot;So you’re assuming it’s true, James B. Shearer?&quot;

I don&#039;t think anyone supports making false accusations of this sort, certainly I don&#039;t. However a lot of people seem to be claiming that this sort of thing should not be reported even if true which I don&#039;t agree with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patterico asked:</p>
<p>&#8220;So you’re assuming it’s true, James B. Shearer?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone supports making false accusations of this sort, certainly I don&#8217;t. However a lot of people seem to be claiming that this sort of thing should not be reported even if true which I don&#8217;t agree with.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2006/10/19/larry-craig-story-hits-big-media-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-91469</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you don’t have to answer questions in a deposition if they have nothing to do with the lawsuit&quot;

My guess is that the question of whether the deponent is living a double life sexually would always be relevant for credibility purposes.  Just like all those background questions you get to ask about education, employment, prior convictions, etc.

After all, the Lewinski thing was in now way connected to the Jones matter, other than as a credibility question (he had sex with an intern, therefor he&#039;s more likely to put the moves on another staffer, even though he swears he didn&#039;t).  

It&#039;d be so easy to make Craig&#039;s double life relevant to anything he says: &quot;Mr. Craig, you&#039;ve represented to the world that you are heterosexual your whole life, and it turns out your gay.  Why should we believe you when you represent to us that (insert factual claim here)?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you don’t have to answer questions in a deposition if they have nothing to do with the lawsuit&#8221;</p>
<p>My guess is that the question of whether the deponent is living a double life sexually would always be relevant for credibility purposes.  Just like all those background questions you get to ask about education, employment, prior convictions, etc.</p>
<p>After all, the Lewinski thing was in now way connected to the Jones matter, other than as a credibility question (he had sex with an intern, therefor he&#8217;s more likely to put the moves on another staffer, even though he swears he didn&#8217;t).  </p>
<p>It&#8217;d be so easy to make Craig&#8217;s double life relevant to anything he says: &#8220;Mr. Craig, you&#8217;ve represented to the world that you are heterosexual your whole life, and it turns out your gay.  Why should we believe you when you represent to us that (insert factual claim here)?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;See, what they should have done, is deposed Craig in some unrelated matter, and asked him if he was gay. Then, if he answered in the negative, they could charge him with perjury, and gone public with a detailed investigation into the whole issue of his homosexuality, with graphic descriptions of his sexual behavior “not because of the sex, but because of the dishonesty.”&lt;/em&gt;

If he said it under oath, and a judge ruled that he had to answer because it was germane to the lawsuit (you don&#039;t have to answer questions in a deposition if they have nothing to do with the lawsuit), then (assuming he lied) I&#039;d be calling for him to resign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>See, what they should have done, is deposed Craig in some unrelated matter, and asked him if he was gay. Then, if he answered in the negative, they could charge him with perjury, and gone public with a detailed investigation into the whole issue of his homosexuality, with graphic descriptions of his sexual behavior “not because of the sex, but because of the dishonesty.”</em></p>
<p>If he said it under oath, and a judge ruled that he had to answer because it was germane to the lawsuit (you don&#8217;t have to answer questions in a deposition if they have nothing to do with the lawsuit), then (assuming he lied) I&#8217;d be calling for him to resign.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Connors</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Connors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like it or not, gang, the media has spoken loud and clear on the issues of press freedom, responsibility and discretion, and their verdict is unnerving:

If you threaten to burn down our building, tie our hands, and cut off our heads, we&#039;ll cower and clam up.  

Otherwise, go schtupp yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like it or not, gang, the media has spoken loud and clear on the issues of press freedom, responsibility and discretion, and their verdict is unnerving:</p>
<p>If you threaten to burn down our building, tie our hands, and cut off our heads, we&#8217;ll cower and clam up.  </p>
<p>Otherwise, go schtupp yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, what they should have done, is deposed Craig in some unrelated matter, and asked him if he was gay.  Then, if he answered in the negative, they could charge him with perjury, and gone public with a detailed investigation into the whole issue of his homosexuality, with graphic descriptions of his sexual behavior &quot;not because of the sex, but because of the dishonesty.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, what they should have done, is deposed Craig in some unrelated matter, and asked him if he was gay.  Then, if he answered in the negative, they could charge him with perjury, and gone public with a detailed investigation into the whole issue of his homosexuality, with graphic descriptions of his sexual behavior &#8220;not because of the sex, but because of the dishonesty.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: assistant devil's advocate</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2006/10/19/larry-craig-story-hits-big-media-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-91369</link>
		<dc:creator>assistant devil's advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the allegation is train station trysts with four different guys.  
i love watching republican politicians blow up, but doesn&#039;t it take more than this?  don&#039;t the guys at least have to come forward and identify themselves?  the senator can force this if he wants, sue for defamation and take the blogger&#039;s deposition.  one way or another somebody&#039;s gotta pay for this, i don&#039;t see how they can get from here to a casualty-free mutual stand-down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the allegation is train station trysts with four different guys.<br />
i love watching republican politicians blow up, but doesn&#8217;t it take more than this?  don&#8217;t the guys at least have to come forward and identify themselves?  the senator can force this if he wants, sue for defamation and take the blogger&#8217;s deposition.  one way or another somebody&#8217;s gotta pay for this, i don&#8217;t see how they can get from here to a casualty-free mutual stand-down.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2006/10/19/larry-craig-story-hits-big-media-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-91363</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything old is new again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything old is new again.</p>
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		<title>By: aphrael</title>
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		<dc:creator>aphrael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very old tactic.

There&#039;s a passage in &lt;em&gt;Advise and Consent&lt;/em&gt;, which was published in 1959, when a reporter from the Post calls up a Senator and tells him that another Senator has been leaking to the press evidence that the first Senator had had a gay affair during the War. The Post reporter says something to the extent of &quot;we won&#039;t run it, of course, but sooner or later some paper in [$small_town] will, and then we&#039;ll have to.&quot;

It&#039;s been a standard part of the newsmedia playbook for *at least* half a century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very old tactic.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a passage in <em>Advise and Consent</em>, which was published in 1959, when a reporter from the Post calls up a Senator and tells him that another Senator has been leaking to the press evidence that the first Senator had had a gay affair during the War. The Post reporter says something to the extent of &#8220;we won&#8217;t run it, of course, but sooner or later some paper in [$small_town] will, and then we&#8217;ll have to.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a standard part of the newsmedia playbook for *at least* half a century.</p>
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