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7/23/2006

WuzzaDem on Sock Puppetry

Filed under: General,Humor — Patterico @ 10:07 am



This is a riot. In some ways, it makes the case better than Ace or I ever could. (h/t mh.)

55 Responses to “WuzzaDem on Sock Puppetry”

  1. Simply glendid.

    Dan Collins (eac760)

  2. That is a classic post and one that actually made me laugh out loud. I also like the comment that a group of sock puppets is a “glenn of sock puppets”.

    DRJ (d8baac)

  3. So. Not to get ahead of the game, but does anyone think that it’s about time Greenwald’s wiki entry was updated?

    Dan Collins (eac760)

  4. Patterico I saw your comment over at GG’s. A point well-taken. Presumably he lives with one other person only, and that person is not a native speaker of the level of the person who did the posting.

    It’s worth giving GG’s explanation on the subject another read:

    I have never left a single comment at any other blog using any name other than my own, at least not since I began blogging. IP addresses signify the Internet account one uses, not any one individual. Those in the same household have the same IP address.

    It sounds like a non-response right out of the Clinton administration.

    Gotta Know (f41eca)

  5. Without a doubt, a Glenn of Sock Puppets!

    Bill M (d9e4b2)

  6. Patterico I have an idea for you: Glenn Greenwald reads your site, right? In the spirit of resolving this ongoing controversy, why not post an open letter, asking a few hard but very answerable questions, such as “did you know about the posts at the time they were posted,” or “did you author them” (he claims to have never posted them, which could be a legal parse), or “how would you characterize the English ability of the others in your household.”

    I’m sure you can come up with better questions than I can, but it seems to me that’s the best way to bring this to a head. If he doesn’t answer, that’s also an answer.

    Gotta Know (f41eca)

  7. I think we’re going to set out the case clearly first. I’m not sure that’s been done in one place. I believe Ace is working on something like that; I am too, but may or may not post depending on whether I think it adds anything.

    Greenwald should know I’m not letting this drop until either 1) he does address the questions that are so obvious they don’t need to be asked, or 2) the case is made, in one place, and people are left to make up their own minds.

    Patterico (50c3cd)

  8. Great!! I appreciate your follow-through.

    The silence emanating from the New York Times bestselling author is deafening.

    Gotta Know (f41eca)

  9. The “sock puppet” show was almost perfect. All it lacked was a Greenwaldian demand for “liberal” university credentials, then an upturned nose ….

    MaDr (d28110)

  10. Riehl World has a video:

    http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/

    Gotta Know (f41eca)

  11. Hey, speaking of Greenwald, seen his review of John Dean’s Book, Conservatives without Conscience?

    Excerpt:
    “Dean contends, and amply documents, that the ‘conservative’ movement has become, at its core, an authoritarian movement composed of those with a psychological and emotional need to follow a strong authority figure which provides them a sense of moral clarity and a feeling of individual power, the absence of which creates fear and insecurity in the individuals who crave it. By definition, its followers’ devotion to authority and the movement’s own power is supreme, thereby overriding the consciences of its individual members and removing any intellectual and moral limits on what will be justified in defense of their movement.

    That would be you, boobies.

    Asinitra (e404b2)

  12. Yup. That’s the kind of broad-brush nonsense he’s famous for.

    Patterico (50c3cd)

  13. Don’t look now, Asinitra, but you’re proving our point. It’s just blind blathering emotion, totally devoid of content and unconnected to anything close to reality. Try to document a “psychological and emotional need.” It’s also a laugh-riot to read what a fraudulent poseur has to say about “moral clarity.”

    And my my, Glenn is verbose, this could be the first time in recorded history in which the review is longer than the book itself.

    Boy you really got us on that one. Ouch.

    Gotta Know (f41eca)

  14. Oh my gosh, Asinitra, thanks for the humorous remarks.

    mh (5b638c)

  15. GiGi picked this out for his post (he links to selected text elsewhere):

    When “a person acting under authority performs actions that seem to violate his standards of conscience, it would not be true to say that he loses his moral sense,” Milgram concluded. Rather, that person simply places his moral views aside. His “moral concern shifts to a consideration of how well he is living up to the expectations of the authority figure.”

    Tell it to your sockpuppets, Glenn.

    Dan Collins (3e8d4f)

  16. Dan I have a psychological and emotional need, is it okay if I condemn something now?

    Gotta Know (f41eca)

  17. Yes, please do. Before things get out of hand.

    . . . .

    Bwahahahahaha!!!

    Dan Collins (3e8d4f)

  18. Or is it “hands?”

    By the way, what did one liberal New York Times bestselling author zen buddhist monk say to the other liberal New York Times bestselling author zen buddhist monk?

    “What is the sound of 5 hand puppets clapping?”

    Gotta Know (f41eca)

  19. The fact is that the true Conservative movement has been hijacked by a radical ideology unlike anything decent Conservatives have ever stood for. It has no respect for the Constitution, advocates the establishment of a near supreme authority in the Presidency, seeks to demonize its political enemies and establish a one party rule. (Oh did I mention massive federal spending and deficits?)

    This administration creates wars and denounces those that disagree with them as unpatriotic and disloyal. It has no faith in the people to decide and thus it relies on photo ops, empty platitudes and “values” to sell its evil wares.

    It seeks to create a climate of fear which it uses to enforce loyalty. It claims to value the “troops” but its vehement denounciation of those same “troops” when they disagree with the established policy shows that in reality troops are only cannon fodder for their agenda.

    Bush is represents a ruthless, arrogant party that is destroying America with its attack on the Constitution, its endless wars and its failure to protect our borders.
    The real shame is that the opposition party, the Democrats, are a bunch of disorganized, gutless, in-fighting politicans who fail to stand up to this arrogant, ignorant disgraceful President and his disgusing tribe of fascists.

    charlie (e583c4)

  20. Here’s another:

    Under cover of darkness, Karl Rove, on a double secret black ops mission, parachutes down to the Greenwald Hacienda in the deepest jungles of Brazil to capture and imprison Glenn Greenwald in a dog kennel in Guantanimo, Cuba. Wielding an unauthorized M-16 with filed-down serial number, Karl bursts down the front door with his steel-tipped cowboy boots and finds four men staring at him open-mouthed.

    “It wasn’t me,” says the first man, Ellison.

    The second man, Wilson, says “Me either, it was the boyfriend.”

    The third man, Ryan, says “Screw the boyfriend.”

    To which the fourth man, Sam Mathews, says “Is there time?”

    Gotta Know (f41eca)

  21. Where are the Conservatives of my youth who feared the growth of the power of the Chief Executive and denounced the enlargement of the federal government? Where are the folks that had respect for the rights of others and cherished the Constitution and tried to follow its precepts? And were so concerned about our precious liberties? Where are those that demanded a balanced budget and limited foreign intervention? Where are those that had faith in the citizens and demanded governmental honesty?

    Gone with the fear and loathing created by talk radio and the attack on 9/11?? Perfectly willing to sacrifice the ideals and values our Founding Fathers handed to us in exchange for the illusion of security doled out by the Bushies?

    Time to get back to basics and realize just what is going on in this country and the things our forefathers fought for…because they will soon be gone if we dont care enough about them and really live by them..

    charlie (e583c4)

  22. Charlie: “Bush is [sic] represents a ruthless, arrogant party that is destroying America with its attack on the Constitution.”

    Bush may very well be the prick you claim he is, but do have any actual arguments to make? Why do you believe his is “attack[ing] the Constitution?”

    mh (5b638c)

  23. Also, I’d like to point out that true patriots read Glenn Greenwald, whom I have often corresponded with via email, since he is a super important constitution law scholar who used to work at the top law firm in New York and has written a bestselling book.

    Not like you fascists.

    And he’s good in bed.

    Again, not like you fascists.

    charlie (b451f8)

  24. Hey, speaking of Greenwald, seen his review of John Dean’s Book,
    Excerpt:
    “Dean contends, and amply documents…

    Maybe Dean can document why he ran away from G Gordon Liddy after Liddy said and continues to say that Dean’s wife was involved in a call girl ring in 1972?

    GG Liddy v John Dean

    Yeah, let’s read the review of a pets.com sockpuppet who is an unsucessful litigator that has been outsolded by Ann Coulter and who was quoted by a fascist Senator that wants to inhibit free speech. Woop dee friken do!

    BTW Karl Rove has spotted in the Brazilian rainforest with telcom equipment.

    liontooth (178098)

  25. Charlie–

    How can I put this kindly, you idiot?
    Mein Kampf is still a bestseller in the Middle East.

    And Hitler was a fascist, nein?

    Dumbass.

    Dan Collins (3e8d4f)

  26. Bush is represents a ruthless, arrogant party that is destroying America with its attack on the Constitution, its endless wars and its failure to protect our borders.

    One out of five ain’t bad sucks.

    Pablo (08e1e8)

  27. Glenn is verbose

    I don’t think I’ve been able to finish even one of his posts…

    my forehead keeps hitting the keyboard about paragraph five or so….and the snoring startles the kittens.

    Darleen (81f712)

  28. It’s time for a fisking! Baghdad Charlie has weighed in!

    The fact is that the true Conservative movement has been hijacked by a radical ideology unlike anything decent Conservatives have ever stood for.

    Really Charlie? How would you know this?

    It has no respect for the Constitution,

    Do you mean original intent of the Founders, or the “living document” that liberals espouse to rationalize their argumants?

    advocates the establishment of a near supreme authority in the Presidency,

    you mean like Clinton and his near-endless executive orders?

    seeks to demonize its political enemies

    Republicans simply point out the truth about their opponents, and it’s a “smear campaign.” On the other hand, the Dems have cornered the market on smear campaigns, even against thier own. See Lieberman, Joe.

    and establish a one party rule.

    In the last 100 years, the Dems have come far closer to establishing a one-party rule. Besdes, I thought liberals liked dictators: see Castro, Fidel and Chavez, Hugo.

    (Oh did I mention massive federal spending and deficits?)

    Since when were liberals ever concerned about those?

    This administration creates wars and denounces those that disagree with them as unpatriotic and disloyal.

    “Creates wars?” It’s called, “cleaning up the mess left by Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.” Iran wouldn’t be the problem it is today without the spineless Jimmy Carter allowing the Ayahtollah to effect a “regime change.” The Hezbollah problem possibly wouldn’t exist, because that was the Ayahtollah’s brainchild. Clinton’s non-response to numerous terroist attacks and his coddling of Yassir Arafat and Saddam Hussein added more fuel to the fire.

    Let’s assume that “denounced” liberals are patriotic and loyal. How would their actions be any different?

    It has no faith in the people to decide

    Voting in elections is how the people decide, buddy boy. Last time I checked, Bush got nearly 3 million more votes than John Foragainst Kerry.

    and thus it relies on photo ops, empty platitudes and “values” to sell its evil wares.

    You must be referring to the Clinton Administration, the master of photo-ops (remember the Normandy 50th Anniversary?), empty platitudes (Clinton betrayed every faction of the Democrat coalition except for the abortion rights crowd) and “values” (Clinton did away with those until 1994, when the Dems got their collective behinds tanned.)

    It seeks to create a climate of fear which it uses to enforce loyalty.

    Amazing how the Left embrace and defend dictators like Saddam who create true climates of fear with poison gassing, shoving people into wood chippers, and rape rooms for “freindly persuasion.”

    It claims to value the “troops” but its vehement denounciation of those same “troops” when they disagree with the established policy shows that in reality troops are only cannon fodder for their agenda.

    It’s an all-volunteer military, Charlie. No one forced these traitors to join. Possibly going into combat to defend these shores is part of the deal when you do join. Maybe you should look up the word “commitment.”

    Bush is represents a ruthless, arrogant party that is destroying America with its attack on the Constitution,

    Upholding the Founder’s intent is destroying the Contitution? Interesting.

    its endless wars

    See Korea and Vietnam; they dragged on while Democrats ran things and ended only after Repubicans were elected.

    and its failure to protect our borders.

    Interesting that this only comes up among dems as an election issue, or when the libs need something to hammer conservatives about. If we adopted similar laws as to what is in place in Mexico, the left would scream bloody murder.

    The real shame is that the opposition party, the Democrats, are a bunch of disorganized, gutless, in-fighting politicans

    Disorganized and in-fighting? Yes. Gutless? Only like the French.

    who fail to stand up

    They fail to stand up? I tremble for the day when they have courage to stand up and dissent!

    to this arrogant, ignorant disgraceful President and his disgusing tribe of fascists.

    face it, Charlie, “Chimpy McBusHitlerHalliburton” is only a arrogant, ignorant disgraceful President because he had the balls to defeat John Kerry and Al Gore.

    Do you even know what a facist is, Charlie? An outstanding example of a facist party was the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, far better known by its acronym: the Nazi Party.

    Paul (c169e9)

  29. Paul–

    Reread post #24.
    Unless this is meta-meta-ironical.
    But, you know . . . maybe you know better than I do. I dunno.

    Dan Collins (3e8d4f)

  30. Dan-

    Charlie wrote that while I was working on fisking his first post. It still fits: he doesn’t know what a facist is, as you also pointed out.

    Paul (c169e9)

  31. Darlene I completely agree, he is mindbogglingly dull. I gave it a few honest shots. I got all set, I shot up some pure Brazilian methamphetamines and drank seven cups of French Roast coffee. And you know what happened? I ended up in a coma so deep I was afraid of drowning in my own spittle.

    Now I limit myself to one paragraph, and even then, only when I’m in an oxygen tent. I’m a sort of Glenn Greenwald Bubbleboy.

    By the way, did you know he is a New York Times bestselling author?

    Gotta Know (f41eca)

  32. Hey everybody check the Wuzzadem sock puppet again. He’s updated it linking it back to this thread. Wuzzadem, you are hilarious!

    liontooth (178098)

  33. The “asinatra” posting of GiGi’s outsized claims for the depth of detail and scholarship of John Dean–resurrected after 33 years–is rather interesting.

    Interesting, because it very thoroughly describes the condition of the post-JFK Democratic party, and “progressive” hangers-on.

    Since the mid-60s at least–when I began to become politically aware–the Democrats have grown manifestly authoritarian in seeking a command economy and a command society. What seems to be the single exception they make for individual freedom is the unregulated right to abortion.

    Everything else is subject to some panel of commissars (there’s anti-Godwin for you). So the internet short-hand response to GiGi’s Brilliant Smackdown is “project much?”

    Cordially…

    Rick (1536e4)

  34. By the way, “charlie” is a sock puppet of “assistant devil’s advocate.”

    Desert Rat (d8da01)

  35. Well, shit. That kinda screws the meta-irony of my own post.

    Dan Collins (6a68a2)

  36. Come on guys. ‘charlie’ is satarizing the epigones of Greenwald.

    addison (800a2a)

  37. Those of you seeking rehabilitation will be interested to know that Dean’s book does it a good job of examining how you are played by your masters. Also from Greenwald’s review:

    ” That is how the “conservative” movement works to this day, although its methods have become even more efficient and less scrupulous. Petty allegations and character attacks begin percolating in the smear sewers of the right wing — through insinuations by talk-radio dirt-mongerers like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, speculation by Matt Drudge, smear campaigns by shadowy groups and organizations, and now by attention-desperate and glory-seeking right-wing blogs. From there, the attacks are reported by the right-wing media and then fed into the mainstream media.

    “A lynch mob is created which seeks not the truth of what happened, but the destruction of the movement’s enemies. “Conservative” rank-and-file, confining themselves to an echo chamber, embrace the allegations instinctively, because they are made by the movement’s defenders against the movement’s enemies. And their allegiance to their movement and a desire to destroy their opponents overrides any concern for proportionality or truth. As Dean documents, it is what the contemporary, so-called “conservative” movement feeds on more than anything else — a limitless and bloodthirsty attack on the character of its opponents and enemies.”

    And this is telling: weeks…months, even, and a gazillion pontificator posts dedicated to minor league “sock puppetry” while the tax payer funded sock puppetry of Armstrong Williams etc. has hardly ever raised a worried brow among the lot of you. And you wonder why people say you’ve butchered American conservatism and eaten its corpse.

    Asinitra (e404b2)

  38. Talk to the hand Asinitra.

    Gotta Know (f41eca)

  39. asinatra,

    GiGi keeps proving my cliche’d point: a strongly-worded projection of “progressives'” moral failings.

    You have my earnest thanks. Really.

    Cordially…

    Rick (1536e4)

  40. He Said/He Said (UPDATED)…

    What’s up, homesock? How’s it hangin’? Hey, did you hear what Glenn Greenwald… Jealous, much? It’s Glenn Greenwald! That’s right. I’ve written a New York Times bestselling book on executive authority, broken a story on my blog about wiretapping…

    WuzzaDem (72c8fd)

  41. Dean’s book does… _snip_

    What doesn’t Dean’s book do? G Gordon Liddy continues to say Dean’s wife was a part of a call girl ring. Why did Dean cut and run from the fight?
    It’s a fight that seemed to end in June when a federal district court dismissed the lawsuit by mutual agreement, leaving Dean and Liddy to battle it out in the court of public opinion.

    The dispute centers on comments Liddy made in speeches and on his nationally syndicated radio program in which he accused Dean of masterminding the Watergate break-ins and of lying under oath when he testified about the affair. Also at issue are Liddy’s claims that Dean’s alleged lies sent innocent people to jail, as well as his claim that Dean’s wife, Maureen, was linked to a call-girl ring.

    And before the “it would be impossible to prove”, this is what Dean had previously said and did about a book publishing the same charge of what Liddy has been saying:
    Next they falsely claimed that I secretly took over G. Gordon Liddy’s Watergate operation and cut him out of what was really taking place, so I could get sexual information on the Democrats. Liddy said this all made sense to him, and now he understood the true story of Watergate.

    When I learned of this book, Silent Coup: The Removal of a President, I contacted St. Martin’s Press. They refused to talk to me; they refused to provide me a copy of the book. So I told them their book was a fraud, and I would take appropriate legal action if they published it.

    Rather than find the truth, they relied on every trick in the defamation lawyer’s bag to make their book bulletproof, even substantially upping their insurance coverage just before publishing it. After publishing, they spent $15 million tying to make our lawsuit go away, but after eight years they realized that was not going to happen, and that they were in trouble. So they settled.

    Oh, who can you believe? Well, Liddy hasn’t denied his own biography like Dean

    But Dean, in an earlier Silent Coup-spawned lawsuit in the mid-1990s, tried to distance himself from his own book. His ghostwriter had invented portions of Blind Ambition “out of whole cloth,” Dean testified, and he himself never had “gone through this book cover to cover.” (When the galley proofs arrived, he testified, he was bedridden with a fever. His wife didn’t want him to get ink on the bedclothes, so he didn’t make corrections.) But Blind Ambition’s ghostwriter, Taylor Branch, denies inventing any of the book’s facts–and he went on to win the history Pulitzer for Parting the Waters: America in the King Years, 1954-63 (1988).

    Seems Dean really isn’t concerned with the truth of what happened.

    liontooth (178098)

  42. I’m curious if Dean was as concerned about personal attacks and such when Democrats were in power.

    sharon (fecb65)

  43. I’m curious if Dean was as concerned about personal attacks and such when Democrats were in power.

    Like the attacks during the Bork confirmation? Oh that’s right he was SO extreme. Yeah. Like former ACLU lawyer Ginsburg isn’t?

    liontooth (178098)

  44. Gotta Know

    By the way, did you know he is a New York Times bestselling author?

    Is that like Kerry’s “did you know I served in Vietnam?” schtick?

    Darleen (81f712)

  45. Just to throw it out there for no particular reason, guess which ‘outspoken’ blonde is currently #5 on the New York Times Best Sellers list!

    liontooth (178098)

  46. That kinda screws the meta-irony of my own post.

    Comment by Dan Collins — 7/23/2006 @ 6:39 pm

    Loonie Toons United Condemns Dan for doing a sock puppet of charlie, who may or may nor be a sock puppet of someone else.

    Someone encouraged me long ago to not spend time trying to discuss things with Charlie. Anybody who tries to use the “Anyone who doesn’t agree with me is not a Patriot”- President Bush lie_ne doesn’t appear to have much of substance to use.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  47. Patterico: I like your work, and know some of your posters here, from The Belmont Club.

    Thank you for sharing the results of your detective work re GG; we’re just entering an era of accountability, forthrightness and honesty! Many people are getting publicly clue-batted with their own, in-context statements!

    When you have a moment or so, PLEASE check out the 3 posts at Brain Surgery With Spoons! re Sock-Puppets!

    Karridine (be02dc)

  48. Guys,

    I’m pretty sure charlie isn’t anyone’s sock-puppet.

    Patterico (50c3cd)

  49. Patterico said:

    I’m pretty sure charlie isn’t anyone’s sock-puppet.

    I don’t think so either. That’s why I fisked his post.

    Paul (c169e9)

  50. Oh Paul here is the answer which, of course, you have no intention of thinking about but for those that do here goes..

    Bush has signed over 700 executive orders saying in effect he is the unitary president and f… the constitution and his obligation to enforce the laws. He started a war and now declares he has the power to do whatever HE and HE ALONE declares best. Screw the courts and screw congress and its ok to lie. He is accoutable to no one and under no obligation to enforce laws he disagrees with. Sieg Heil!!No President has done anything like this. This fascist liar claims he has the right to hold and imprison anyone he wants without trial or access to lawyers. I am sure you and your Nazi friends think that is ok but in America we used to have due process and limited Presidential authority. Of courses fascists dont like that as you demonstrate as you obviously much prefer a government of “strong men” to a government of laws.

    Clinton again…Oh here we go again. Blame Clinton for the fact that Bush went fishing when he received a memo saying “Osama Bin Ladin determined to strike in US:” Ya sure.

    Liberals embrace Sadam…Who the hell embraced Sadam? Would a picture of Rumsfield shaking hands with Sadam after he gassed his people make a difference to you? Of course not. Dont let facts get in the way of your ignorance. And most incredibly you have the balls to say this about military folks who disagree with Smirky the Lying Chimp..

    “It’s an all-volunteer military, Charlie. No one forced these traitors to join. Possibly going into combat to defend these shores is part of the deal when you do join. Maybe you should look up the word “commitment.”

    You call miliary people who disagree with Smirky “traitors”!!!!?? You are a disgusting Nazi like ignoramus for saying such an ignorant and hateful thing..You think its ok they be used as cannon fodder simply because they voluntiered?? I dont care if I am banned forever from this site but I will be damned if I let you get away with that hateful ignorant remark against men and women who put their lives on the line no matter what the cause. Go fight with the Nazis, Paul they love people like you!!!

    Your stupid ignorant remarks calling me Baghdad Charlie and saying liberals like the likes of dicatators elsewhere tells me you havent a clue,. In case you didnt know it ..you can call the French cowards all you want but the French fought iwth us in Afganistan and died with us at Tora Bora but you demand absolute loyalty to the fuherer dont you? Nothing else will do with fascists like you, will it?

    charlie (e583c4)

  51. What is the meaning of sock puppet and fisked?

    charlie (e583c4)

  52. Charlie –

    Bush is a “sock puppet” and he’s “fisked” up the country with his disasterous policies.

    The only thing worse than being a “sock puppet” is to be in the audience of right-wingers who believe the act is real.

    I hear that it helps if you drink massive quantities of Kool-Aid.

    Brent Mack (97dd7b)

  53. “charlie” = “brent mack” = “assistant devil’s advocate”

    Desert Rat (d8da01)

  54. So GG had a NYT best seller. So what. Millie, Bush Sr.’s dog for those who don’t remember, had a #1 on September 30, 1990. GG got to #11. Being a best seller don’t mean jack.

    Kevin (e494dc)


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