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	<title>Comments on: (See-Dubya) Which Terrorists Knew What About Terror Finance Monitoring?</title>
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	<description>Harangues that just make sense</description>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2006/07/03/see-dubya-which-terrorists-knew-what-about-terror-finance-monitoring/comment-page-1/#comment-54526</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent investigative report! If the NYT can&#039;t or won&#039;t do its job, we civilians will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent investigative report! If the NYT can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t do its job, we civilians will.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 01:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NYT sells papers convincing readers they&#039;re getting to look under the hood at &quot;inside&quot; stuff. A brazenly overhyped piece June 25th about a supposedly &quot;classified briefing&quot; brokered Gen. George Casey&#039;s draft for &quot;sharp reductions&quot; in U.S. troop levels in Iraq. 

The SWIFT story was marketed the same way for mostly the same reasons. (Forgive me, I also think it helped atone for Keller&#039;s Iraq war backing and Judy Miller&#039;s unethical alliances with sources.) SWIFT was information the government &lt;i&gt;preferred&lt;/i&gt; stay under the radar. Their persistence only made Keller &amp; Co. convinced something was rotten in Brussels. It wasn&#039;t.

The U.S. also can&#039;t be thrilled FoxNews and the AP yesterday reported that Mideast money transfer centers turn away all &quot;Mohammed&#039;s&quot; and &quot;Ahmed&#039;s&quot; while they&#039;re cross-checked with a Treasury watch list. A procedure that can take days. This knowledge assuredly encourages jihadist financiers to adopt fake identities. 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201850,00.html  

The UN&#039;s secret-but-not-classified terror finance tracking programs are catalogued for our browsing convenience:

http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/committees/1267/1267mg.htm

Trying to get their readers outraged over nothing is a trait shared by editor Keller *and* his emulating antagonists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYT sells papers convincing readers they&#8217;re getting to look under the hood at &#8220;inside&#8221; stuff. A brazenly overhyped piece June 25th about a supposedly &#8220;classified briefing&#8221; brokered Gen. George Casey&#8217;s draft for &#8220;sharp reductions&#8221; in U.S. troop levels in Iraq. </p>
<p>The SWIFT story was marketed the same way for mostly the same reasons. (Forgive me, I also think it helped atone for Keller&#8217;s Iraq war backing and Judy Miller&#8217;s unethical alliances with sources.) SWIFT was information the government <i>preferred</i> stay under the radar. Their persistence only made Keller &amp; Co. convinced something was rotten in Brussels. It wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The U.S. also can&#8217;t be thrilled FoxNews and the AP yesterday reported that Mideast money transfer centers turn away all &#8220;Mohammed&#8217;s&#8221; and &#8220;Ahmed&#8217;s&#8221; while they&#8217;re cross-checked with a Treasury watch list. A procedure that can take days. This knowledge assuredly encourages jihadist financiers to adopt fake identities. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201850,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201850,00.html</a>  </p>
<p>The UN&#8217;s secret-but-not-classified terror finance tracking programs are catalogued for our browsing convenience:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/committees/1267/1267mg.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/committees/1267/1267mg.htm</a></p>
<p>Trying to get their readers outraged over nothing is a trait shared by editor Keller *and* his emulating antagonists.</p>
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		<title>By: Center for Sanity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Center for Sanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 00:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Journalists and &quot;Leakers&quot; Under Severe Scrutiny...&lt;/strong&gt;

It is time for our Government to take a firm hand, quit playing with the issue of leakers, investigate, root them out and prosecute them severely. If reporters get in the way, jail them. This is National Security - and both the &quot;leakers&quot; and the repo...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Journalists and &#8220;Leakers&#8221; Under Severe Scrutiny&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>It is time for our Government to take a firm hand, quit playing with the issue of leakers, investigate, root them out and prosecute them severely. If reporters get in the way, jail them. This is National Security &#8211; and both the &#8220;leakers&#8221; and the repo&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: steve ex-expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve ex-expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 00:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why I&#039;m not a patriot:
http://theroguevoice.blogspot.com/2006/07/why-im-not-patriotic.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why I&#8217;m not a patriot:<br />
<a href="http://theroguevoice.blogspot.com/2006/07/why-im-not-patriotic.html" rel="nofollow">http://theroguevoice.blogspot.com/2006/07/why-im-not-patriotic.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: dorkafork</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorkafork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I get the feeling that a lot of the cool sources and methods the government would rather not blab about get attributed to the “interrogation of captured Al-Qaeda figures”.&lt;/i&gt;

I think your feelings are correct.  The following sentence appeared in the original NYT story:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In terrorism prosecutions, intelligence officials have been careful to “sanitize,” or hide the origins of evidence collected through the program to keep it secret, officials said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The only curious thing is why they went through so much trouble to hide a program everyone supposedly knew about?  Gee whiz it&#039;s a stumper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I get the feeling that a lot of the cool sources and methods the government would rather not blab about get attributed to the “interrogation of captured Al-Qaeda figures”.</i></p>
<p>I think your feelings are correct.  The following sentence appeared in the original NYT story:</p>
<blockquote><p>In terrorism prosecutions, intelligence officials have been careful to “sanitize,” or hide the origins of evidence collected through the program to keep it secret, officials said.</p></blockquote>
<p>The only curious thing is why they went through so much trouble to hide a program everyone supposedly knew about?  Gee whiz it&#8217;s a stumper.</p>
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		<title>By: Desert Rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desert Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outstanding post, See-Dubya !
Pardon my attributing the post to Patterico (comment #1) when it most obviously is your bi-line.

But I still think you and Patterico are asking for trouble from the left by insisting upon using facts and logic to support your positions.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding post, See-Dubya !<br />
Pardon my attributing the post to Patterico (comment #1) when it most obviously is your bi-line.</p>
<p>But I still think you and Patterico are asking for trouble from the left by insisting upon using facts and logic to support your positions.</p>
<p> <img src='http://patterico.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Black Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy Smokescreen! C-dub, if everyone already knew absolutely everything there was to know about the SWIFT program, why in the name of Walter Duranty would the NY Times put such stale information on their front page? That doesn&#039;t make any sense. Something must be amiss here.

Perhaps the NY Times got the SWIFT program confused with the SwiftBoatVets, lost perspective, went ballistic, and blindly lashed out, without consideration for the harm they might do to national security or to innocent bystanders.

No, on second thought, that can&#039;t be it, but it&#039;s about as plausible as the NYT&#039;s whoppers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy Smokescreen! C-dub, if everyone already knew absolutely everything there was to know about the SWIFT program, why in the name of Walter Duranty would the NY Times put such stale information on their front page? That doesn&#8217;t make any sense. Something must be amiss here.</p>
<p>Perhaps the NY Times got the SWIFT program confused with the SwiftBoatVets, lost perspective, went ballistic, and blindly lashed out, without consideration for the harm they might do to national security or to innocent bystanders.</p>
<p>No, on second thought, that can&#8217;t be it, but it&#8217;s about as plausible as the NYT&#8217;s whoppers.</p>
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		<title>By: La Shawn Barber's Corner</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Shawn Barber's Corner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Loose Lips, Sinking Ships, and the Fourth Estate...&lt;/strong&gt;

	 I can&#8217;t seem to write short posts anymore like normal bloggers. What&#8217;s going on? Once I get started&#8230;  
	The man on the left is Thomas Paine, an American Revolution-era political philosopher, journalist, and pamphleteer who openly ad...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Loose Lips, Sinking Ships, and the Fourth Estate&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>	 I can&#8217;t seem to write short posts anymore like normal bloggers. What&#8217;s going on? Once I get started&#8230;<br />
	The man on the left is Thomas Paine, an American Revolution-era political philosopher, journalist, and pamphleteer who openly ad&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: OKIE on the LAM</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2006/07/03/see-dubya-which-terrorists-knew-what-about-terror-finance-monitoring/comment-page-1/#comment-54259</link>
		<dc:creator>OKIE on the LAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Arrogance -- Thy Name Is Bill Keller...&lt;/strong&gt;

I don&#039;t think it put any lives at risk.

Beating up on the New York Times is red meat for the Conservative Base.

If You’re Under The Impression That The Press Is Neutral, That Couldn’t Be More Wrong.

I&#039;ve just finished viewing yesterday m...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Arrogance &#8212; Thy Name Is Bill Keller&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it put any lives at risk.</p>
<p>Beating up on the New York Times is red meat for the Conservative Base.</p>
<p>If You’re Under The Impression That The Press Is Neutral, That Couldn’t Be More Wrong.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just finished viewing yesterday m&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Desert Rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desert Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patterico, you do it every time, and it&#039;s just not fair---you&#039;re using facts and logic to support your positions.

You can&#039;t do that !

[&lt;i&gt;So does my esteemed guest blogger See-Dubya, who wrote the post.  -- P&lt;/i&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patterico, you do it every time, and it&#8217;s just not fair&#8212;you&#8217;re using facts and logic to support your positions.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t do that !</p>
<p>[<i>So does my esteemed guest blogger See-Dubya, who wrote the post.  -- P</i>]</p>
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